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1. TPM
2. RotS
3. RotJ
4. DE

Where does he stop?

Is speed equalized here?

Obviously not

Hmm.

Then he stops at 1, maybe 2 if I'm being generous.

Originally posted by slayne
Then he stops at 1, maybe 2 if I'm being generous. Pre-bombardment Tyth could probably beat 1, though.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Pre-bombardment Tyth could probably beat 1, though.

Ah, thought this was the Tyth that lost to the Outlanders. In that case, yeah, he likely beats 1.

DE or clears.

A weakened Tyth tanked orbital bombardment of scores of capital ships and disintegrated one of them before with a single shot. At full power, Tyth is implied to be a galactic powerhouse.

Yeah.

Originally posted by slayne
Ah, thought this was the Tyth that lost to the Outlanders. In that case, yeah, he likely beats 1.
The Outlander - alone - could not handle a weakened Tyth.

Check this blog to understand how powerful the Outlander really is during the course of KoTET: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/vaylin-respect-thread/117531/

The Outlander being that powerful, still needed considerable assistance to handle a weakened Tyth.

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These godlike droids are seemingly beyond the pay-grade of conventional Force-users.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Outlander - alone - could not handle a weakened Tyth.

Check this blog to understand how powerful the Outlander really is during the course of KoTET: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/vaylin-respect-thread/117531/

The Outlander being that powerful, still needed considerable assistance to handle a weakened Tyth.

Outlanders as in plural, given how raid mechanics don't really fit with the story.

http://www.swtor.com/info/media/trailers/%E2%80%98-war-iokath%E2%80%99-launch-trailer

He falls at one.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A weakened Tyth tanked orbital bombardment of scores of capital ships

Originally posted by ares834

http://i68.tinypic.com/2la7p5t.png

That's not "scores of capital ships". Hell, it isn't even a score.

Fair.

I count 14.

Dozen+

Tyth's feat isn't even out of Darth Vader's reach - he's tanked attacks more potent than turbolasers. If this is Tyth's claim to fame then he stops at 1.

Originally posted by Azronger
Tyth's feat isn't even out of Darth Vader's reach - he's tanked attacks more potent than turbolasers. If this is Tyth's claim to fame then he stops at 1.

That isn't his only claim to fame. He one-shot a capital ship with little to no effort whatsoever on his part.

Also, what has Vader tanked that even came close to the concentrated fire of ~14 capital ships? Of the Eternal Fleet, no less?

Originally posted by Azronger
Tyth's feat isn't even out of Darth Vader's reach - he's tanked attacks more potent than turbolasers. If this is Tyth's claim to fame then he stops at 1.
When did Darth Vader one-shot a capital ship?

When has Darth Vader tanked firepower of a dozen+ capital starships?

Ridiculous overreaching for Darth Vader there. He doesn't hold a candle to Tyth.

He's probably referring to the completely ambiguous, different continuity event when Vader survives the explosion of the Sith Temple on Malachor.

Vader tanked the explosion of a Sith superweapon, yet this isn't comparable because you can't compare different energies yet somehow Tyth's feat is still better.

Bout right, LeG?

Hard stop at 1. btw.

We don't even know if Vader tanked the explosion.

So much shit went down off-screen that somehow Ahsoka turned into a ****ing wolf.

Right, I imagine he slipped through a trap door or something.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vader tanked the explosion of a Sith superweapon, yet this isn't comparable because you can't compare different energies yet somehow Tyth's feat is still better.

Bout right, LeG?

Hard stop at 1. btw.
Where it is stated that the superweapon was actually activated?

The holocron was needed to activate the superweapon but Ezra and Kanan removed it, a move that caused the Temple to conventionally crumble.

Darth Vader did not tank a superweapon in this case. He made it out from a conventional destruction of a Temple. And he was not alone in this: Ashoka also made it.

It wasn't? I said it exploded, an explosion he endured.

And there is no confirmation of that lol, she most likely died.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, I imagine he slipped through a trap door or something.
Who's to say Ahsoka didn't go Oneness mode and save Vader, dying in the process?

Feel free to ask Pablo or Chee, but otherwise, making any declaration on what happened is LMFAOworthy.

The superweapon was not activated because Ezra and Kanan removed holocron from its setting. This removal orchestrated a conventional destruction sequence of the Temple.

Superweapon could be activated only via that holocron. Ezra and Kanan realized the danger and removed the holocron.

Darth Vader didn't tank any superweapon. It is really sad to see people spreading lies about the events on Malachor.

Can you read? I suppose that's too much to expect from you these days.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Who's to say Ahsoka didn't go Oneness mode and save Vader, dying in the process? The strong indications that she died yeah.

I get that your trying very hard on this.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The strong indications that she died yeah.

I get that your trying very hard on this.
... what? Re-read my post. It's almost as if you had memory loss from the time you read it and the time you responded, since I agreed she died.

Nothing implies that Darth Vader can tank/endure bombardment of a fleet of capital ships. Not even close.

Weakened Tyth >> Outlander > Vader.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Weakened Tyth >> Outlander > Vader.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
... what? Re-read my post. It's almost as if you had memory loss from the time you read it and the time you responded, since I agreed she died. Sorry I'm not paying much attention to your posts, I suppose I'll roll with there being zero evidence to support such a reading.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Weakened Tyth >> Outlander > Vader. Even if that were true it's totally irrelevant, but I suppose this whole convo is pretty pointless anyway.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Can you read? I suppose that's too much to expect from you these days.
Yes, I read and understood.

Your words give the wrong impression. Darth Vader did not tank a superweapon. He made it out from conventional destruction of the ancient Temple. The superweapon was not activated.

Nope what I described was perfectly accurate, he tanked the explosion of a Sith superweapon, in the respect that the weapon overloaded and blew up.

Whereas the way you say it makes it sound like the roof just caved in on his head or something.

Beni, there's literally 0% proof he tanked it. We have no indication whatsoever. Face the facts.

Originally posted by slayne
That isn't his only claim to fame. He one-shot a capital ship with little to no effort whatsoever on his part.

Also, what has Vader tanked that even came close to the concentrated fire of ~14 capital ships? Of the Eternal Fleet, no less?

1. Tanking a kyber crystal empowered Sith superweapon explosion:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXiwr25OU_w (1:25)

This is what a non-weaponized kyber crystal explosion could do:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVndPQC7LA0 (1:46)

Note how the TIE fighters weren't the only things that were atomized; the gozanti-class crusers are gone as well.

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2. While in a massively weakened state, tanked Galen Marek's suicide blast without a scratch:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3T2Z-1spT8 (1:05)

Galen at this point had entered Oneness, a state which empowers a Force user greatly:



-The Force Unleashed

Galen also poured every ounce of power he had into that attack; he cut completely loose and held nothing back:



-The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Also note on the first quote how the power he had made everything he had done before look like "child's play". Galen, while vastly pre-prime, has done stuff like this:



-The Force Unleashed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1_aOR6H9h0I

Point is that Galen is an absolute beast and Vader tanking an assault far, far more powerful than those feats above, while in a horrendous condition, is extremely impressive.

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3. Tanking the Starkiller Clone's amped and enraged Force Lightning barrage with no lethal injuries:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Euw3AqVZreQ (4:50)

Note how his casual bursts can literally atomize stormtroopers and their armor, so imagine what they can do when he is enraged and amplified:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zIfCrWYsw (16:20)

Also, here are the clone's other feats of power, which must be considered when looking at Vader's feat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lGTuiVaizic (0:00) (3:30)



-The Force Unleashed 2

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4. Blocking a lightsaber blade with his bare hand:



-Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader

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5. Tanking Emperor Palpatine's full on Force Lightning long enough to throw him down the pit:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lbbG02LB7g0

Note how Palpatine is canonically the most powerful Sith Lord in history, and his Force Lightning's intensity surpasses that of a lightsaber blade. Details can be found in my Ultimate Palaptine essay.

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With that out of the way, I'd say it's quite laughable to suggest Tyth is beating Vader. Yes, I said it: Darth Vader beats Tyth.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Beni, there's literally 0% proof he tanked it. We have no indication whatsoever. Face the facts.

We see Vader standing in range of the explosion seconds before detonation, there was nowhere for him to hide and he did not have time to flee. Moreover he emerged from the explosion seemingly injured, but his armour and cape unscathed. So assuming a miracle did not occur, the only way he could have survived the explosion was by erecting a Force barrier to shield himself.

This is not hard to deduce.

Got even one quote to support that?

Originally posted by Azronger
1. Tanking a kyber crystal empowered Sith superweapon explosion:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXiwr25OU_w (1:25)

This is what a non-weaponized kyber crystal explosion could do:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVndPQC7LA0 (1:46)

Note how the TIE fighters weren't the only things that were atomized; the gozanti-class crusers are gone as well.

____

2. While in a massively weakened state, tanked Galen Marek's suicide blast without a scratch:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3T2Z-1spT8 (1:05)

Galen at this point had entered Oneness, a state which empowers a Force user greatly:



-The Force Unleashed

Galen also poured every ounce of power he had into that attack; he cut completely loose and held nothing back:



-The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Also note on the first quote how the power he had made everything he had done before look like "child's play". Galen, while vastly pre-prime, has done stuff like this:



-The Force Unleashed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1_aOR6H9h0I

Point is that Galen is an absolute beast and Vader tanking an assault far, far more powerful than those feats above, while in a horrendous condition, is extremely impressive.

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3. Tanking the Starkiller Clone's amped and enraged Force Lightning barrage with no lethal injuries:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Euw3AqVZreQ (4:50)

Note how his casual bursts can literally atomize stormtroopers and their armor, so imagine what they can do when he is enraged and amplified:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zIfCrWYsw (16:20)

Also, here are the clone's other feats of power, which must be considered when looking at Vader's feat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lGTuiVaizic (0:00) (3:30)



-The Force Unleashed 2

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4. Blocking a lightsaber blade with his bare hand:



-Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader

_____

5. Tanking Emperor Palpatine's full on Force Lightning long enough to throw him down the pit:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lbbG02LB7g0

Note how Palpatine is canonically the most powerful Sith Lord in history, and his Force Lightning's intensity surpasses that of a lightsaber blade. Details can be found in my Ultimate Palaptine essay.

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With that out of the way, I'd say it's quite laughable to suggest Tyth is beating Vader. Yes, I said it: Darth Vader beats Tyth. B-b-but Tyth got shot at by da Eternal fleet!

omgVadur shielded hismelf from oneniss Galen, dere4 Vadurr beets Tyth
Originally posted by Azronger
Darth Vader beats Tyth. Originally posted by DarthAnt66
General rule of thumb: Az is always wrong.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Got even one quote to support that? Lmao, amusing coming from the guy who champions actual evidence over statements.

But I guess only when it suits you amirite?

Originally posted by Geistalt
omgVadur shielded hismelf from oneniss Galen, dere4 Vadurr beets Tyth Dry those tears.

Originally posted by Azronger
1. Tanking a kyber crystal empowered Sith superweapon explosion:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXiwr25OU_w (1:25)

This is what a non-weaponized kyber crystal explosion could do:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVndPQC7LA0 (1:46)

Note how the TIE fighters weren't the only things that were atomized; the gozanti-class crusers are gone as well.
Hey idiot, stop misrepresenting events.

Superweapon was not activated on Malachor V because Ezra and Kanan removed the holocron from its setting after realizing what it was. Removal of holocron triggered Temple's self-destruction sequence and Darth Vader tanked a conventional explosion.

The superweapon would have wiped the planet clean.

As for Galen Marek's explosion, it wasn't lethal to Force-users around. Palpatine was unharmed and Darth Vader was standing as well. Earlier, a generator - flung like a missile towards Darth Vader - harmed him significantly.

Marek's explosion << generator explosion.

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Tyth absolutely murders Darth Vader.

LeGenD's right, tbh. The temple was stated to be "collapsing."

What's really funny about this is that Galen's attack wasn't even directed at Vader.


"This" being Az/Beni's argument.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lmao, amusing coming from the guy who champions actual evidence over statements.

But I guess only when it suits you amirite?
We visibly see the temple still there when Ahsoka walks back down the steps.

To me, it seems a lot more ambiguous than you'd like to believe.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hey idiot, stop misrepresenting events.

Superweapon was not activated on Malachor V because Ezra and Kanan removed the holocron from its setting after realizing what it was. Removal of holocron orchestrated Temple self-destruction and sequence and Darth Vader tanked a conventional explosion.

The superweapon would gave wiped the planet clean.

Hey retard, stop misquoting me. I never claimed anything of the sort.

Superweapon was not activated, yes, but it still blew up. And the source of its power was the Kyber crystal, so I imagine the power the explosion was roughly equivalent to the other explosion I linked.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LeGenD's right, tbh. The temple was stated to be "collapsing." Join him in the corner then.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We visibly see the temple still there when Ahsoka walks back down the steps.

To me, it seems a lot more ambiguous than you'd like to believe. Which has no bearing on my argument. mmm

Unless we're still rolling with the "Ahsoka entured Oneness!!11" theory?

Originally posted by Azronger
Hey retard, stop misquoting me. I never claimed anything of the sort.

Superweapon was not activated, yes, but it still blew up. And the source of its power was the Kyber crystal, so I imagine the power the explosion was roughly equivalent to the other explosion I linked.
An atom bomb might blow up without triggering a nuclear explosion. Understand? That was the situation there. Stop using the term 'superweapon explosion'; it was not.

No proof that Kyber crystal blew up there.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As for Galen Marek's explosion, it wasn't lethal to Force-users around. Palpatine was unharmed and Darth Vader was standing as well. Before, a generator - flung like a missile towards Darth Vader - harmed him significantly.

Marek's explosion << generator explosion.



Thanks for pointing out what everyone already picked up from the text. This did absolutely nothing to further you case, and Vader also had other feats which you haven't adressed.

Vader tanks Tyth's attack and then beats him

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which has no bearing on my argument. mmm

Unless we're still rolling with the "Ahsoka entured Oneness!!11" theory?
It has bearing considering the explosion clearly didn't do what you think it did. Hell, the temple might have been shielded or some shit.

Literally just has credible as yours, so yeah, why not?

Originally posted by Azronger


Thanks for pointing out what everyone already picked up from the text. This did absolutely nothing to further you case, and Vader also had other feats which you haven't adressed.

Vader tanks Tyth's attack and then beats him
Nothing implies that Darth Vader could tank firepower of a dozen+ capital ships. Keep looking.

Apparently, generator explosions can melt immemorial mechanical planet-slaughtering entities worshiped as gods.

Like jet fuel on steel beams.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
An atom bomb might blow up without triggering a nuclear explosion. Understand? That was the situation there. Stop using the term 'superweapon explosion'; it was not.

No proof that Kyber crystal blew up there.

I can use whatever term I want. "The explosion of a superweapon" is perfectly accurate, since, well, the superweapon blew up.

If simple space ship lasers caused a Kyber crystal to blow up, then a huge explosion certainly would cause it to blow up as well, lmao.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nothing implies that Darth Vader could tank firepower of a dozen+ capital ships. Keep looking.

Yeah, not even sure they were capital ships. And do the EE ships have other destruction feats, or is everyome just assuming they're impressive because reasons?

Originally posted by Geistalt
Apparently, generator explosions can melt immemorial mechanical planet-slaughtering entities worshiped as gods.

Like jet fuel on steel beams.
Turbolasers >>>>

Originally posted by Azronger
Yeah, not even sure they were capital ships. And do the EE ships have other destruction feats, or is everyome just assuming they're impressive because reasons?
They are capital ships.

And yes! One of them was ordered to fire at another and utterly annihilated it.

Originally posted by Azronger
I can use whatever term I want. "The explosion of a superweapon" is perfectly accurate, since, well, the superweapon blew up.

If simple space ship lasers caused a Kyber crystal to blow up, then a huge explosion certainly would cause it to blow up as well, lmao.
No, you can't - Darth Vader did not tank a superweapon in this case.

No proof of kyber crystal exploding on Malachor. It is not that simple. See analogy below:

American warships fired cruise missiles at targets in Syria recently; unexploded munitions were found in the rubble regardless.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Turbolasers >>>> Generators
No; Az is right.

Generators are more powerful superweapons than galaxy-ruling instant-travel space fleet confirmed.

Originally posted by Azronger

Vader tanks Tyth's attack and then beats him
A strike team that can collectively one-shot Vader was pushed to their limits trying to beat Tyth while he was in a weakened state.

The notion that Vader even stands a chance against him is hilariously cancerous.

Originally posted by slayne
A strike team that can collectively one-shot Vader
Don't exaggerate.

No such thing as multiple attackers one-shotting.

And even I doubt the HoTlander can kill Vader with a single strike.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They are capital ships.

And yes! One of them was ordered to fire at another and utterly annihilated it.

Link?

Originally posted by slayne
A strike team that can collectively one-shot Vader was pushed to their limits trying to beat Tyth while he was in a weakened state.

The notion that Vader even stands a chance against him is hilariously cancerous.

Good job on ignoring all the evidence I presented and then making a random claim with zero evidence.

Now, instead of calling others' opinions cancerous, how about dirctly countering the feats I presented for Vader.

Originally posted by Azronger
Yeah, not even sure they were capital ships. And do the EE ships have other destruction feats, or is everyome just assuming they're impressive because reasons? They were strong enough to not do any damage to the structure Tyth was standing on?

Originally posted by Geistalt
What's really funny about this is that Galen's attack wasn't even directed at Vader.


"This" being Az/Beni's argument. Whereas most of the EE turbo lasers missed their target.

Anyway whether or not Vader can or cannot rank turbolaser blasts doesn't actually prove anything relevant to Tyth beating him. He'd still manage tho.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, you can't - Darth Vader did not tank a superweapon in this case.

No proof of kyber crystal exploding on Malachor. It is not that simple. See analogy below:

American warships fired cruise missiles at targets in Syria recently; unexploded munitions were found in the rubble regardless.

No, but he tanked its explosion. Geez... how hard is this to understand.

And instead of making false analogies, how about actually addressing the point? I'll repeat it here, cause I'm nice: A Kyber crystal exploded due to simple laser fire. So logically, a far more powerful explosion which did hit the crystal, would trigger its explosion as well.

That explosion wasn't going to wipe out the planet, tho

Originally posted by Azronger
Yeah, not even sure they were capital ships. And do the EE ships have other destruction feats, or is everyome just assuming they're impressive because reasons?

A capital ship is considered 100 meters or more in length, so the EF's battlecruisers can be considered such. Of course obviously, this would only factor into what the fleet is comprised of.

Though the Eternal Fleet's ships being labeled as a Battle Cruiser classification is incorrect, dunno why they went with that distinction since they aren't inbetween the lengths of a Star Destroyer or Star Dreadnought.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
They were strong enough to not do any damage to the structure Tyth was standing on?

Good catch. Yeah, I doubt the lasers are anything special. Tyth sucks and is sub-Vader.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
A capital ship is considered 100 meters or more in length, so the EF's battlecruisers can be considered such. Of course obviously, this would only factor into what the fleet is comprised of.

Though the Eternal Fleet's ships being labeled as a Battle Cruiser classification is incorrect, dunno why they went with that distinction since they aren't inbetween the lengths of a Star Destroyer or Star Dreadnought.

Ah, fair enough.

Originally posted by Azronger
Link?
Chapter 5 ending in KoTET.

One capital ship eviscerated the other.

Originally posted by Azronger
Good catch. Yeah, I doubt the lasers are anything special. Tyth sucks and is sub-Vader.
TOR game is not known for its in-game realism in such matters.

Iokath is not a conventional place by the way.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chapter 5 ending in KoTET.

Link. I'm not watching that garbage unless necessary when others can do it for me.

Originally posted by Azronger
Link. I'm not watching that garbage unless necessary when others can do it for me.
Here:

jNJZOIYM9KI

Watch the ending.

Originally posted by Azronger
No, but he tanked its explosion. Geez... how hard is this to understand.

And instead of making false analogies, how about actually addressing the point? I'll repeat it here, cause I'm nice: A Kyber crystal exploded due to simple laser fire. So logically, a far more powerful explosion which did hit the crystal, would trigger its explosion as well.
Tanking a conventional explosion is something to boast about now?

You provide proof of kyber crystal explosion on Malachor.

I just rechecked the footage. That explosion did not destroy the Temple. Much of the structure was standing.

And yes, somebody other than Darth Vader was there near the entrance.

While I think Tyth's overt power is more than TPM and ROTS Sidious' is, Sidious has the advantage of speed, and is still easily powerful enough to contend with Tyth's destructive power. Basically, Sidious is still far superior as an overall combatant, he wins. Tyth falls at TPM.

Originally posted by darthbane77
While I think Tyth's overt power is more than TPM and ROTS Sidious' is, Sidious has the advantage of speed, and is still easily powerful enough to contend with Tyth's destructive power. Basically, Sidious is still far superior as an overall combatant, he wins. Tyth falls at TPM.
Nothing suggests that Palpatine can tank capital ship one-shotting powers as of DE, let alone TPM.

Also, nothing suggests that Tyth is slow.

Look at Grievious for example. He was fast enough to respond to moves of most Jedi due to his mechanical composition. In-fact, lesser droids could process lightning fast movements.

Tyth is so beyond standard droids that a comparison is not fair.

Enough with euphoric unsubstantiated Palpatine fellato.

What if Tyth's joints are rusty (from age) and this makes him slow, have you ever thought it like this?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What if Tyth's joints are rusty (from age) and this makes him slow, have you ever thought it like this?
mmm

Tyth have inbuilt repairing and maintenance mechanisms. He was repairing himself after enduring the bombardment of fleet for example.

Doesn't mean he had enough oil to lubricate rusty joints. Try better.

Prolly stops at 3. No reason to assume Sidious can break Tyth's shield or survive his planetary eradication ability

Ok so realistically, who's the best Tyth can beat in a 1v1?

Bane.

Don't troll faggit

Originally posted by Petrus
Don't troll faggit

https://youtu.be/LTlbVWTgy7I?t=3m46s

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
https://youtu.be/LTlbVWTgy7I?t=3m46s

Such an emotional moment.