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All Gear

Batman
Winter Soldier
Luke Cage
Angel Dust
Iron Man (Suit Case Armor)

Not sure about Angel Dust. Might stop there. If not he stops at IM. Clears the rest.

Depends on what qualifies as "all gear". Is it just for Steve, or for everyone? And all gear I assume is all the weapons they have used, not just standard, which would then include things like that magnetic grenade launcher for Winter Soldier. Steve could very well stop at Bucky if that's the case.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not sure about Angel Dust. Might stop there. If not he stops at IM. Clears the rest.

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It's kind of depressing that Tony's on-the-fly suitcase armour, by feats, is stronger and more durable than his Civil War armour. The suitcase armour took repeated hits from whips that could easily split racecars in half and remained functional, and could send a town car skidding like 20 feet away with a casual kick.

Cap's only competition is prolly Angel Dust.. which he should outlast after a while..

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It's kind of depressing that Tony's on-the-fly suitcase armour, by feats, is stronger and more durable than his Civil War armour. The suitcase armour took repeated hits from whips that could easily split racecars in half and remained functional, and could send a town car skidding like 20 feet away with a casual kick.


What about the IM3 armours?

It's a good job he had plenty of them in that film

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
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Not necessarily a done deal just based on that:

https://youtu.be/-KekWFB4EPE

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What about the IM3 armours?

It's a good job he had plenty of them in that film

IM3 armors were made of lego bricks painted to look like metal.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What about the IM3 armours?

It's a good job he had plenty of them in that film

Those armours were also crap, but at least there was somewhat of a canonical excuse for it. They were basically untested prototypes that got rushed out in between Avengers and IM3, all while Tony was suffering from insomnia and PTSD. So, they were obviously not his best work.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Those armours were also crap, but at least there was somewhat of a canonical excuse for it. They were basically untested prototypes that got rushed out in between Avengers and IM3, all while Tony was suffering from insomnia and PTSD. So, they were obviously not his best work.



Yeah never bought that explanation. He's mass producing these amazing state of the art suits but somehow forgets how to make them durable due to PTSD.

He was rolling them off the assembly line back to back with no real testing. They moved and shot repulsors. That was enough for him as they were basically something to keep him going.

Yeah keeping them durable would also keep him busy. Surely that would be the priority for a guy called "Iron" Man.

Well they were plenty durable. Just not against guys who were roughly IM level in strength and could belch lava.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah never bought that explanation. He's mass producing these amazing state of the art suits but somehow forgets how to make them durable due to PTSD.

Ya that was stupid. Made for a cool third act showdown scene tho!

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Those armours were also crap, but at least there was somewhat of a canonical excuse for it. They were basically untested prototypes that got rushed out in between Avengers and IM3, all while Tony was suffering from insomnia and PTSD. So, they were obviously not his best work.
I think the CW armor could also have a similar excuse, i.e., Pepper left him.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It's kind of depressing that Tony's on-the-fly suitcase armour, by feats, is stronger and more durable than his Civil War armour. The suitcase armour took repeated hits from whips that could easily split racecars in half and remained functional, and could send a town car skidding like 20 feet away with a casual kick.
It wasn't even a kick, he just shoved it away with his foot. He also tanked getting tossed around by Vanko and casually tore out Vanko's suit's arc reactor and crushed it, when the suit was basically undamaged despite getting the limo slammed into it repeatedly.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I think the CW armor could also have a similar excuse, i.e., Pepper left him.

It's not quite the same though. In IM3, He could barely have a conversation with a child without getting an anxiety attack.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d0/5e/e4/d05ee4463b2e08b9beac028012647cc5.gif

Not necessarily a done deal just based on that:
https://youtu.be/-KekWFB4EPE
Yep not only does Cap have the shield to block her hits, he is much faster, skilled, ruthless and smarter than Colossus to even leave such an opening.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well they were plenty durable. Just not against guys who were roughly IM level in strength and could belch lava.


Were they? Remember the Mark 42 getting smashed by a bus? Or was it a train?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Were they? Remember the Mark 42 getting smashed by a bus? Or was it a train?
It was a truck.

Mk42 also crashed into pieces while flying to Tony in the climax. Even in its first scene it broke apart when one of the pieces came and attached too fast. Then that kid broke off one of the fingers. Tony himself smashed it into pieces, though you could say the last two happened when the armor was powered down.

But funnily enough, when the terrorists attacked Tony's house it tanked gunship bullets, concrete blocks falling on it, the gunship exploding near it and then falling into the sea and the debris falling on it. It also protected Tony from handgun fire with no power.
The armors in IM3 varied wildly. Like when one armor Tony was trying to get into got skewered by a thrown metal pipe, but then another one tanked another Extremis guy throwing a metal pipe no problem. One armor got its arms and head torn off by a single guy each, while another one's faceplate was barely broken off by three of them doing it together. The armor which got both arms torn off fired a unibeam at one Extremis guy who was barely knocked back, while another armor oneshotted two of them at the same time with a unibeam. One red armor Tony called to fight Killian got wrecked pretty easily while the next silver one lasted longer. That silver armor also tanked one of its own repulsors to the face no damage.

Talking about tanking own repulsors, the Mk4 in Iron Man 2 came off worse than Mk2 when tanking that repulsor explosion. Tony in Mk4 was also hurt when a firecracker hit his face. But Mk6 tanked the repulsor explosion no problem.

And the Mk4 was probably built during the time Tony knew he was dying, so there is actually a predecent for Tony's armors underperforming when he's down.

Damn, I've wanted to say that for such a long time that I forgot what a gargantuan post I was making.

Could stop at one. Definitely stops at Angel Dust, Cap isn't blocking every hit with his shield and he would need to.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Could stop at one.


How the heck is he stopping at Batman?


Originally posted by The Sorrow
Definitely stops at Angel Dust, Cap isn't blocking every hit with his shield and he would need to.


He can dodge attacks as well.

Come on, Thor. Cap has never been in a fight with anyone with a name or skill and taken 0 hits. And Angel Dust is very skilled in MMA and grappling as well. So he's taking some hits, which will leave him on the ground eventually.

^ I was responding to the notion that Cap needs to block 2every hit" with his Shield.

He'll either need to block with his shield and hope she doesn't just take it. Or dodge every single hit while hitting her constantly. It's a bad matchup for Steve.

The actress that played Angel Dust is very skilled in MMA and grappling. the AD vs Colossus fight itself was at best a decent skill showing.

She showed several moves that demonstrate her ability. Armbars. Leg locks, chokeholds, etc... She's decent enough+strong enough that her strength and skill let her get the better of Colossus even though he was holding back and being chivalrous to an idioitic degree.

Like i said, decent skill.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How the heck is he stopping at Batman?





He can dodge attacks as well.
Because it's Batman. He was stomping those soldiers pretty much like Cap would kicking/punching mfers across rooms, into/through walls etc and imo showed more pure ma skill. Or at least a more varied skill set. Between that and his suit plus gadgets, there's potential there to pull off an upset.

Thanks Captain

No live action Batman(aside from 60's Batman) can beat MCU Cap in a straight up fight.

Luke Cage would be a huge problem due to his durability and strength. He could possibly tank a hit in order to hit or grab Cap.

Batman (Affleck) could possibly beat Cap due to his gadgets.

IDK here.

Cap could stop at 3 imo.

I still think Cap could stop at 2 here. Winter Soldier has all his gear, which would include automatic rifle with underslung grenade launcher, as well as the magnetic bomb launcher. Cap had a lot of time to recover during the highway scene from TWS, after getting blasted off the bridge and losing his shield, mostly due to Bucky going after Widow. He doesn't have that luxury here.