X-23 vs. Black Panther

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carthage
Who wins?

cdtm
X-23 gets T'challa'd.

Vanguard
Tchalla

Flyattractor
X-23 wins. Girl Power plus Healing Factor. Nuff said.

StyleTime
The closest encounter we have to compare is Laura vs Captain America.

And that was pretty inconclusive.

Vanguard
Originally posted by StyleTime
The closest encounter we have to compare is Laura vs Captain America.

And that was pretty inconclusive.

I like Cap. But he's better than Cap.

HulkIsHulk
This is Black Panther's fight to lose. Unless X-23 finds the suit's weakspot magically i n few seconds, she isn't cutting him. And since she is much inferior in strength, her physical blows won't do much to T'challa without the suit, let alone with it. Add his claws and energy daggers, this is T'challa's fight to lose.

krisblaze
X-23

Good fight tho.

deathslash
50/50 split or slight edge to panther IMO.

Laura is often portrayed as being slightly faster, more agile, and uses skill more often than wolverine. We've already seen panther and wolverine fight and niether of them have ever really managed to put the other down. With that said, panther has never used his gadgets against Logan and he's gotten some serious boosts (so Laura's speed and agility is ultimately cancelled out). Panther's going to have a tough time putting her down (what with the healing factor and adamantium covered bones) and Laura's going to have an equally tough time (since panther knows what she can do and is actually using gadgets).

Also, it's been a while since I've seen a thread where both characters are getting equal rep. I'd almost forgotten how refreshing it is.

abhilegend
Laura oneshots Panther.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Laura oneshots Panther. the sodium content in your post.........are you gonna be ok?

abhilegend
ermm

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Unless X-23 finds the suit's weakspot magically i n few seconds, she isn't cutting him.

Creed and Logan had no such problems.

The suit is designed to withstand bullets, not slashing attempts... and certainly not from adamantium weaponry.

DarkSaint85
This the new one too?

leonidas
if that's true she has an edge here. but this is pretty close. she can end it though with a single well placed shot. he'd need to work harder to finish her--some of her durability feats are ridiculous. slight edge to the mutant imo.

cdtm
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Creed and Logan had no such problems.

The suit is designed to withstand bullets, not slashing attempts... and certainly not from adamantium weaponry.

Energy daggers should keep her at bay.

And thought he had a force field now.

leonidas
but if they don't put her down how's he gonna do it?

cdtm
Just keep zoning her. Try and plant a few in nerves like Elektra did to Logan, and leave them there. Her hf should overload before he ever runs out of daggers.

celeyhyga17
BP... He's almost like a Batman/Mr. T hybrid with better stats.

emu
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
BP... He's almost like a Batman/Mr. T hybrid with better stats. BP even trains alone thumb up

carver9
Lol...she did all of this while a camera flash was going off. She completed a series of attacks before the flash was done and this is her as a child.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47738/1162244-page06.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47738/1162245-page07.jpg

No one realized what was going on until it was over and she has become better since then.

carver9
If anyone is interested in her appearance during this scene, here you go. She was moving in a blur...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47738/1162287-x23pic.jpg

celeyhyga17
Pretty sure if I take a pic of u moving 5mph u'd come up as a "blur" too.
erm

DarkSaint85
Lots of speed.

Lots of kinetic energy there.

I wonder what BPs suit does?

Edit: lol at celery.

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty sure if I take a pic of u moving 5mph I'd come up as a "blur" too.
:/

I would. If you gave me a blade, do you think I could repeat the showing above? Wonder if k could house in the air, kick a hole in someone's chest and then cut another person's throat and bounce to the other side of them in 0.03 seconds?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
I would. If you gave me a blade, do you think I could repeat the showing above? Wonder if k could house in the air, kick a hole in someone's chest and then cut another person's throat and bounce to the other side of them in 0.03 seconds?
Let's stick with being a "blur" in photos.

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Let's stick with being a "blur" in photos.

Gotcha. That scan was just something showing it appeared as if time was at a still when she did that. The main scans are the ones in the first post.

DarkSaint85
Jesus Christ lol.

Time always looks frozen in a picture.

That's kinda the whole point of taking photos.

Vanguard
Originally posted by leonidas
if that's true she has an edge here. but this is pretty close. she can end it though with a single well placed shot. .

No she can't. Why do people think one slash will end panther when he has the suit on? Yes the suit can be slashed, but it does minimal damage. Wolverine couldn't defeat him with one slash, not even Iron Fist with multiple blows.

Vanguard
Originally posted by abhilegend
Laura oneshots Panther.

Zip it!!

eaebiakuya
Black Panther wins this without much effort. His gadgets can hurt Namor and his suit dont stop to improve.

He is not, for at least few years, a guy in the same new as Captain America or others street levels.

leonidas
Originally posted by Vanguard
No she can't. Why do people think one slash will end panther when he has the suit on? Yes the suit can be slashed, but it does minimal damage. Wolverine couldn't defeat him with one slash, not even Iron Fist with multiple blows.

so she couldn't stab him? proof? logan never once tried to kill him. she absolutely would go for am insta-kill. so proof the suit would stop a full on stab would be helpful to your case....

Vanguard
Originally posted by leonidas
so she couldn't stab him? proof? logan never once tried to kill him. she absolutely would go for am insta-kill. so proof the suit would stop a full on stab would be helpful to your case....

She cant impale him. The suit prevents that. You can only slash upon the grain.

Smurph
I'd bet on Laura, but a close fight either way.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Vanguard
Zip it!!
Oneshots him again.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by carver9
If anyone is interested in her appearance during this scene, here you go. She was moving in a blur...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47738/1162287-x23pic.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/fh_zpssgi0oqgn.gif

leonidas
Originally posted by Vanguard
She cant impale him. The suit prevents that. You can only slash upon the grain.

that should be easily proven....?

SamZED
That's a cool feat.

Prof. T.C McAbe
I think she wins tbh. HF, the claws and her attitude would overwhelm him.

TheHulkster
Panther wins.

http://pm1.narvii.com/6276/c6271d9304c631fc4985e8babd22b6f12577ef2f_hq.jpg

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2571555-2280184_black_panther_40_0013_zps48e3ce39.jpg

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty sure if I take a pic of u moving 5mph u'd come up as a "blur" too.
erm

Depends on the camera, but yes. Classic carver here.

Vanguard
Originally posted by leonidas
that should be easily proven....?

I was looking for the scan of the street thug who tries to stab panther, and the suit shatters the knife, but I don't have it.

One of the few scans I don't have. So if that many people think she can beat panther, I guess I know how a Wolverine vs. Panther thread would go.

Ugh. Sickening. sick

StiltmanFTW
And you think that feat is enough to suggest that he'd survive adamantium claws. Lol.

Originally posted by Vanguard
One of the few scans I don't have.

One of the GREAT MANY scans you don't have, as I had to educate you on the vibranium basics not long ago.

Vanguard
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And you think that feat is enough to suggest that he'd survive adamantium claws. Lol.


I don't remember you educating me on anything. And what you fail to realize is that the science of the suit prevents him from being impaled no matter what metal it is.

Furthermore you don't know what scans I have and what scans I don't have. F*ck outta here.

Vanguard
https://s22.postimg.org/5wl1fhmkh/Tchallaboss5.jpgphotos upload

Vanguard
I'm not saying that the adamantium would shatter. I AM saying that he cannot be impaled.

krisblaze
Yeah omg look at that.

Some thug with a knife! How would x-23 ever cut him!?!

TheHulkster
Well lets go beyond street thug to Killmonger:

http://i.imgur.com/Y8NkYch.gif

krisblaze
Yeah but so? We know that adamantium goes through it no expression

DarkSaint85
Plus he has a forcefield now,doesn't he? One that redirects energy

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
I don't remember you educating me on anything. And what you fail to realize is that the science of the suit prevents him from being impaled no matter what metal it is.

Furthermore you don't know what scans I have and what scans I don't have. F*ck outta here.

You have a very short memory, then:

Originally posted by Vanguard
I was always under the impression Vibranium was just as tough as adamantium along with the absorption properties. Why so low?

Thread from April, this year.

All you care about on this forum is wanking Panther and you can't even do that properly.

https://s24.postimg.org/9bhepuw9x/stbpoc.png

leonidas
problem is we've seen adamantium cut it. even if it were simply sliced open it would still leave openings. i'm not at all convinced though that he couldn't be impaled by her or logan. a slash in the right place would be enough though. if however, ds is right about a force field, that could def change things, assuming he can somehow attack through it. if it's just something to deflect, then goes down, it could work for a bit, but she could still get around it. guess i'd need to see the combat effectiveness of the field.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
if however, ds is right about a force field, that could def change things, assuming he can somehow attack through it. if it's just something to deflect, then goes down, it could work for a bit, but she could still get around it. guess i'd need to see the combat effectiveness of the field.

It doesn't have many feats, simply because the latest Panther series is more.....introspective than 'PUNCHPUNCHPUNCH!' Plus, it's not a field, but the actual suit itself.

But there are some.

Took the energy blast of Stane, and redirected the energy into the ground, weaponising it:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b41w7ddid-s/WOx13fE0LjI/AAAAAAADHCU/eJppCq3lrb4sCiG8ak6inIlO45h9--hygCLcB/s1600/04_11.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jVRHH_XAeAs/WOx139OICKI/AAAAAAADHCc/hQXr78VqD4wJfRDZTp9mVgeCumS2XzEAwCLcB/s1600/04_12.jpg

It seems to just react on energy:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-im5TPegH_TI/V6te5bpI7KI/AAAAAAACzWA/ktF6V4SZ-z0LwUJ9zx0Pat_1d66YO40WgCLcB/s1600/28_03.jpg

And it basically gives him TK - here, he takes an explosion:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c3yWQOyUc00/V3XbIMHxlTI/AAAAAAAU7L0/FpLsF5ufbF47f_IKGWpa2N9RrbjRnyIUACLcB/s1600/10_16.jpg

So all those lovely scans that carver posted, of how fast and powerful X-23 is? It would only amp BP.

He can also command the dead to fight for him:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qPzIZxcpaRs/WOx2RVjXetI/AAAAAAADHIw/kBnRoqRo8lARbcsiDIYVf1DBcGKabXBKACLcB/s1600/08_22.jpg

Edit: more scans:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CwXFR0OmvvY/VzQgc7uYhRI/AAAAAAAUlUo/c2jeDIoLdYIsBq4l-x4kDNOXpSyY1NFYQCLcB/s1600/23_10.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dXpG6Aow9xI/VzQgdiIcpmI/AAAAAAAUlUs/5R_RcDwhPV0vWxLltqQJlwtCz4I2pkXDgCLcB/s1600/23_11.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QBgFHG13kuw/VzQgdiZIZeI/AAAAAAAUlUw/eYdlbTshWD4nd737JPExNyTjcywViRe2wCLcB/s1600/23_12.jpg

It's not vibranium anymore. It fires your own power back at you.

Vanguard
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You have a very short memory, then:

Thread from April, this year.



If you think all I care about is wanking one character, you haven't paid attention to any of my other posts. Which is fine, cuz I don't give a shit about your posts either.

And no, my memory isn't short. It's just that your posts aren't very memorable.

I don't even give a sh*t about arguing with you tbh.

Vanguard
Originally posted by leonidas
problem is we've seen adamantium cut it. even if it were simply sliced open it would still leave openings. i'm not at all convinced though that he couldn't be impaled by her or logan. .

Right. He's cut it, slashed it. But he cannot impale him. Its never been done. The suit doesn't allow it.

https://s21.postimg.org/ny0jpi96r/Tchallaboss6.jpg

Vanguard
It's not just an extremely durable metal. It robs objects of their momentum. And now not only does his suit do that, but he can redirect the energy it absorbs into blasts of kinetic energy. They didn't get it totally right in the movie. The bullets aren't supposed to bounce off the suit. The bullets are supposed to simply fall to the ground when they come in contact with the weave.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus he has a forcefield now,doesn't he? One that redirects energy Pretend his suit doesn't work to make this competitive

Vanguard
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Pretend his suit doesn't work to make this competitive

Absolutely not. Panther fans show no mercy.

leonidas
lol still haven't seen proof the suit would protect him from an adamantium stab, so...no mercy necessary. still didn't see combat effectiveness of this force field either, soooo, i'll wait. no pretending necessary unless we just pretend the suit can stop an adamantium blade. because, well, like i said, i've not seen proof. btw, a slash has....kinetic energy. if it can be slashed, it can be stabbed through. the other blades that broke simply weren't stronger than vibranium. adamantium is. it's like saying a plastic knife can't cut formica than saying since the plastic knife can't neither can a titanium blade. the argument holds no weight. at all.

Vanguard
Originally posted by leonidas
lol still haven't seen proof the suit would protect him from an adamantium stab, so...no mercy necessary. still didn't see combat effectiveness of this force field either, soooo, i'll wait. no pretending necessary unless we just pretend the suit can stop an adamantium blade. because, well, like i said, i've not seen proof. btw, a slash has....kinetic energy. if it can be slashed, it can be stabbed through. the other blades that broke simply weren't stronger than vibranium. adamantium is. it's like saying a plastic knife can't cut formica than saying since the plastic knife can't neither can a titanium blade. the argument holds no weight. at all.

So the fact that he's never been impaled while having the suit for about fifteen years now isn't enough proof?

deathslash
Originally posted by leonidas
lol still haven't seen proof the suit would protect him from an adamantium stab, so...no mercy necessary. still didn't see combat effectiveness of this force field either, soooo, i'll wait. no pretending necessary unless we just pretend the suit can stop an adamantium blade. because, well, like i said, i've not seen proof. btw, a slash has....kinetic energy. if it can be slashed, it can be stabbed through. the other blades that broke simply weren't stronger than vibranium. adamantium is. it's like saying a plastic knife can't cut formica than saying since the plastic knife can't neither can a titanium blade. the argument holds no weight. at all. his suits before didn't absorb kinetic energy (at least not on the level that this one does). So using feats from previous suits wouldn't be a true representation of what his current suit does. Using past feats for this suit would be like using the feats from Iron man's first suit to show how his current one isn't durable.

P.S. The previous suit could only be cut by cutting along the grain (hence why stabbing didn't affect him).

DarkSaint85
It hasn't been slashed though.

leonidas
Originally posted by Vanguard
So the fact that he's never been impaled while having the suit for about fifteen years now isn't enough proof?

lol no, no it's not. that is simply an application of a no-limits fallacy.....

@ds and....ds: ok, cool, so his new suit has never been cut or slashed? van was the one saying it could be slashed. still waiting to see some feats from the suit that would lead me to believe it could stop the blades. obviously we're not going all no-limits, so let's see something that would indicate it's as impenetrable as you all think. what's the greatest attack it's withstood? where did it absorb all this kinetic energy you guys say it can that would make me think laura couldn't slash it or stab through it? i just keep asking for feats and getting....not much.

DarkSaint85
My point was that it's a different suit from the scans posted by others.

Where it had been slashed. The current one doesn't have any reference to against or with the grain or whatever it was.

krisblaze
The assumption should not be that Adamantium can not cut through something.

TheHulkster
I don't think that it is all that important whether the suit stops impalement. What's important is whether he has the skill and speed to avoid such a strike. So far, against Logan, he has shown this.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by krisblaze
The assumption should not be that Adamantium can not cut through something.

Force fields are trickier. So HOW it works, is pretty important.

leonidas
Originally posted by krisblaze
The assumption should not be that Adamantium can not cut through something.

that is my point exactly. but yes, force fields are different. and i've yet to see scans of them or anything to convince me the suit can't be cut by adamantium. i hardly find that asking for too much given some of the claims made here.

Supermutant
Black Panther is also the smarter fighter which gives him the edge and the win.

StiltmanFTW
Smarter fighter? He's well known for being beaten to a pulp and sodomized by a big black dude with no superpowers.

Vanguard
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Smarter fighter? He's well known for being beaten to a pulp and sodomized by a big black dude with no superpowers.

Killmonger is at least peak human. And they haven't fought recently. Current Panther is a different animal.

StiltmanFTW
Don't worry, the next time Erik needs a booty, he'll shatter your BP's forcefields with a single punch and rape him in front of you, as usual.

You like to watch, don't you? wink

Vanguard
shocking

leonidas
oops, i forgot to address these....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It doesn't have many feats, simply because the latest Panther series is more.....introspective than 'PUNCHPUNCHPUNCH!' Plus, it's not a field, but the actual suit itself.

But there are some.

Took the energy blast of Stane, and redirected the energy into the ground, weaponising it:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b41w7ddid-s/WOx13fE0LjI/AAAAAAADHCU/eJppCq3lrb4sCiG8ak6inIlO45h9--hygCLcB/s1600/04_11.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jVRHH_XAeAs/WOx139OICKI/AAAAAAADHCc/hQXr78VqD4wJfRDZTp9mVgeCumS2XzEAwCLcB/s1600/04_12.jpg

these are pretty irrelevant of course because she wouldn't be attacking him with energy. /shrug (cool suit effect though...)



hrm, i see that totally differently. i don't see that as absorbing kinetic energy and shooting it back, i see it has him catching the fist of some schlup and then blasting him with energy in the suit.... that is actually supported in your other scans. i'll mention it later.



again, i see him simply discharging energy and her getting thrown back by it. i don't really see that as tk my friend, but, maybe. anyway, in the background we see him getting physically pummeled over and over again but none of that energy is being thrown back at those guys, so i don't see it as absorbing kinetic energy. and i mena it doesn't make a lot of sense if it did since it would likely absorb the kinetic force of his own punches too, no....?



far be it from me to defend carver, lord knows.... but none of those scans indicate he can't be stabbed. /shrug



well, sure. if he can get the dead in the fight he wins. thumb up



again. not seeing what you see ds. he gets slammed--hard--by that guy, but the energy doesn't have to come from the slam. it gets generated in his hand and is fired through the device in the palm. looks like some electrical blast or other, and nothing more to me. didn't know he could throw blasts like that around tbh though. could add something, but the level of damage seems kinda...limited. certainly laura has walked through far far worse. odd that he didn't use any daggers though.



maybe it absorbs some blast energy but i certainly didn't see evidence that it absorbs kinetic energy--at least the return isn't immediate, to say the least. and there is nothing in there at all to suggest the suit would protect from an adamantium stab....

all that said, you could be right. maybe the author intends for us to somehow come to the conclusion that it absorbs and stores kinetic energy. if so, there are vastly easier ways to show it than these scenes. i'd need something a lot more definitive as proof i'm afraid. i've seen nothing in the ultimates to suggest it and i'm pretty sure if you looked around you could find him discharging that energy blast without ever having been hit by someone first...

sorry man, just not seeing this thing as anything but very close and i still think a clean stab can end it.

Vanguard
If you google "Black Panther cannot be stabbed" you'll see plenty of bios that confirm he can't be impaled. We're not just pulling this out of the air. I also believe Priest had it up on his old site which unfortunately I cannot find now.

StiltmanFTW
Good, then Laura just needs to cut him in half. Far more effective.

psycho gundam
Meanwhile Panther's daggers are damaging cube beings...

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_bp1_zpsnvveyime.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_bp2_zpsspinopzl.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_bp3_zpsyyvg5mfx.jpg

Edit* a "ghost" of the Shaper but I mean, X-23 is far below even that

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Vanguard
If you google "Black Panther cannot be stabbed" you'll see plenty of bios that confirm he can't be impaled. We're not just pulling this out of the air. I also believe Priest had it up on his old site which unfortunately I cannot find now.

http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/panther/frames/faq.htm#powers

Vanguard
Originally posted by TheHulkster
http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/panther/frames/faq.htm#powers

You're good. How did you find that?

Thanks

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Meanwhile Panther's daggers are damaging cube beings...



Edit* a "ghost" of the Shaper but I mean, X-23 is far below even that

Cool.

And X-23 beat Collector stick out tongue

psycho gundam
Panther wasn't there so someone had to step up

Supermutant
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Smarter fighter? He's well known for being beaten to a pulp and sodomized by a big black dude with no superpowers.

You are confusing him with your precious Wolverine.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1149401-17.jpg

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Wolverine_cbf90f_273086.jpg

TheHulkster
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/4422309-3381375-wolverine-v5-008-2013-digital-nahga-empire-14_zpsaa28ab10.jpg

panthergod
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Smarter fighter? He's well known for being beaten to a pulp and sodomized by a big black dude with no superpowers.

leonidas
irrelevant bios and irrelevant scans? i toss is somehow winning a fight? bp saying logan can't win is a win, even though logan, in that scene, fought like a moron and forgot his skills? what, he'd just keep fighting like that? his hf wouldn't heal that scratch? seriously? anyway, so, again, no proof regarding the claws. sure looks like bp has no intention of letting the claws just bounce off his impregnable suit though.... lol and ds was right, his suit appears to be quite different now anyway. so, yet another irrelevancy.

@pg--sure the daggers may have hurt that ghost somehow (he can shift their energy frequencies so not a huge surprise i guess) but i've also been told they go through all force fields in this thread, and that is blatantly wrong too, as shown vs the troubleshooters where his daggers bounced off spitfires force field, who then proceeded to hack his unbeatable armor and pull it apart. and pretty sure that spitfire is also well below even the ghost of a cube being....

just loads of irrelevant stuff in here to defend panther. it's kind of odd tbh. there is no proof to say laura couldn't cut the suit. at this point it's clear as crystal. his daggers could hurt her but her durability feats are crazy. he's good at h2h, so is she. speed is close but that could be compared pretty easily and i'd say she was faster.

anyone that thinks this isn't close isn't paying attention i'm afraid. or simply doesn't want to acknowledge the other side. /shrug

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
oops, i forgot to address these....



these are pretty irrelevant of course because she wouldn't be attacking him with energy. /shrug (cool suit effect though...)
She'd be attacking with kinetic energy.



From Ta-Nehisi Coates:



Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/12/conceptualizing-the-black-panther/418479/

So I know writer interviews are inadmissible - but that is when the comic is clear cut. In this case, obviously, it is not clear cut (at least to you and maybe others who haven't been keeping up with BP), hence my use of his own column in The Atlantic, which he wrote (and is not an interview). Ta-Nehisi's intention is that it absorbs energy, and fires it back out in short bursts.


I said TK, because he used the words 'force push'. Agreed, though, it's not made clear in the comic itself. As for how it actually works? Comics, lol.

Also, I'm not your friend, buddy. Reported.


This made me so angry.


I admit, my interpretation of the scans is coloured by my knowledge of his column, which I have given the source for here. Everytime he fires off the blast, that purple suit effect shows, and it is preceded by him being hit.



That's the thing - there aren't any such scenes. I've pretty much shown every single scene its been shown (BP is only on issue 14 or so I think, and a LOT of it is him sitting around waxing philosophical).

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
I would. If you gave me a blade, do you think I could repeat the showing above? Wonder if k could house in the air, kick a hole in someone's chest and then cut another person's throat and bounce to the other side of them in 0.03 seconds? 3 seconds actually. Not impressive.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by h1a8
3 seconds actually. Not impressive.

thumb up good spot.

At least he's moved on from claiming that Laura appearing as a blur in a photo is aagood feat though.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by leonidas
@pg--sure the daggers may have hurt that ghost somehow (he can shift their energy frequencies so not a huge surprise i guess) but i've also been told they go through all force fields in this thread, and that is blatantly wrong too, as shown vs the troubleshooters where his daggers bounced off spitfires force field, who then proceeded to hack his unbeatable armor and pull it apart. and pretty sure that spitfire is also well below even the ghost of a cube being.... Though I admit it's tangential, what I was trying to illustrate is that Panther is on a higher level dealing with bigger things than X-23. Spitfire hacking his suit is more irrelevant to X-23 than Panther hurting the Shaper of worlds, but then again he easily beat her without the suit

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_rh_zpsfcue11r2.jpg

leonidas
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

She'd be attacking with kinetic energy.



From Ta-Nehisi Coates:



Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/12/conceptualizing-the-black-panther/418479/

So I know writer interviews are inadmissible - but that is when the comic is clear cut. In this case, obviously, it is not clear cut (at least to you and maybe others who haven't been keeping up with BP), hence my use of his own column in The Atlantic, which he wrote (and is not an interview). Ta-Nehisi's intention is that it absorbs energy, and fires it back out in short bursts.


I said TK, because he used the words 'force push'. Agreed, though, it's not made clear in the comic itself. As for how it actually works? Comics, lol.

Also, I'm not your friend, buddy. Reported.


This made me so angry.



something on bp was in the ATLANTIC?? laughing out loud that's rarefied air right there....

anyway, cool enough. thing is, in those scans it really isn't apparent and there are times he is hit and nothing seems to happen. him stepping, running, etc, its all kinetic energy. so...yeah, kinda dumb, but logan moves with an adamantium skeleton, so yeah. still, he clearly feels the impact of the blows that land. a thrust with the claw wouldn't release that much kinetic energy. and if all the suit does is absorb and return it, he wouldn't get much from a thrust anyway. still not seeing why the claw wouldn't simply penetrate. punches and throws land and hurt, just the energy seems to be stored somehow and released. and tbh those little bursts would likely only annoy laura. /shrug

like i said, i'd need some proof it could withstand that type of attack. the article was pretty ambiguous, obviously, and the scans kind of mirror that ambiguity and the way it works in general.

and i'm mad too--don't ever put me in a position to take carver's side again. if you do, you'll be dead to me.

leonidas
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Though I admit it's tangential, what I was trying to illustrate is that Panther is on a higher level dealing with bigger things than X-23. Spitfire hacking his suit is more irrelevant to X-23 than Panther hurting the Shaper of worlds, but then again he easily beat her without the suit

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_rh_zpsfcue11r2.jpg

just because he's part of the ultimates doesn't mean he's...beyond someone like laura. really? confused she's been through some cosmic sh!t of her own. natasha is an avenger and has fought....everyone. pretty sure she didn't suddenly evolve into a cosmic hero though. and i also don't think anyone would be willing to debate bp without a suit vs laura. tough enough getting him wins when he has it.

psycho gundam
I'm not saying that at all, what I am saying is that he brings more to the table without even mentioning his status as a monarch of a wealthy and technologically advanced nation. They are together less than half of what he is

Neither X-23 or Black widow can add anything to the Ultimates especially going by how they're going up against cosmic level threats almost exclusively.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Meanwhile Panther's daggers are damaging cube beings...

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_bp1_zpsnvveyime.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_bp2_zpsspinopzl.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_bp3_zpsyyvg5mfx.jpg

Edit* a "ghost" of the Shaper but I mean, X-23 is far below even that

Captain marvel begrudgingly accepts that he has her number also

eaebiakuya
What about he battling with a Black Order member, or hurting Namor (and surviving more than one hit)?

Black Panther also can fight invisible and teleport during a battle.

Imo he is in another class of power.

leonidas
Originally posted by psycho gundam
I'm not saying that at all, what I am saying is that he brings more to the table without even mentioning his status as a monarch of a wealthy and technologically advanced nation. They are together less than half of what he is

Neither X-23 or Black widow can add anything to the Ultimates especially going by how they're going up against cosmic level threats almost exclusively.



Captain marvel begrudgingly accepts that he has her number also

well, in natasha's case, she became the actual leader of the avengers, so not sure she couldn't 'add anything' even to a team like the ultimates, but this topic is roaming all over the place.

you seem to be giving him a win here based on status as much as anything. none of that would have any bearing on the way a brutal, ugly fight would go down between these 2 imo. it's his tech vs her crazy damage soak, hf and claws.

i mean she gets turned nearly into a skeleton by this explosion and is not even ko'd:

https://i.imgur.com/9457Hrl.jpg

this just pissed her off:

https://i.imgur.com/lJGe6Bl.jpg

lady death strike basically cut her to shreds and had wide open shots here:

https://i.imgur.com/0NN2bRv.jpg

again, that only really pisses laura off. she gets up and beats the crap out of her on the next page and is fully healed. so, where is all this offense from panther that is going to take her out for good before she guts him? daggers won't do it from what i've seen, those little energy bursts won't do it so he'd likely have to try and beat her into unconsciousness at some point and i have serious doubts that would work either...

she's also hit teleporters in the past and kicked the asses of an entire invisible TEAM. like i said, i simply don't see anyway that this isn't anything but very close overall. i'll still take laura 6/10 here. /shrug

eaebiakuya
Not only tech. He is stronger and faster after upgrades. And he is more skilled.

She was KO for a minute because a bullet in the head, and Blob beat her bad in a x-men issue. Not sure if we should stick with "She insta heal from anything below destroying her entire body".

Panther with his energetic gauntled has more striking power than Blob IMO.

leonidas
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Not only tech. He is stronger and faster after upgrades. And he is more skilled.

She was KO for a minute because a bullet in the head, and Blob beat her bad in a x-men issue. Not sure if we should stick with "She insta heal from anything below destroying her entire body".

Panther with his energetic gauntled has more striking power than Blob IMO.

i agree that we don't have to use her highest showings, but her average showings are exceptional--every bit as good as logan's. and her hf has been stated to be BETTER than his, so, like i said, he'll need to dish out some monstrous damage to keep her down. and yes, she does have a couple lesser showings, but we also don't use those....

as far as stats: i doubt he's faster. more skilled? maybe. stronger? for sure. but spike and claws and damage soak make up for the strength difference and whatever skill difference there is would be negligible imo. he also isn't without his own poor showings in skill. i don't have an issue with someone saying he wins. i do have an issue, given the very clear lack of support, with anyone saying he stomps her. this is close. very close.

StyleTime
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
What about he battling with a Black Order member, or hurting Namor (and surviving more than one hit)?

Black Panther also can fight invisible and teleport during a battle.

Imo he is in another class of power.
X-23 has been killing invisible opponents since she was a killed. Her senses make it much less useful. Dilorenzo here was undetectable to both infrared and multiple spectrum technology. X-23 still aced him.

https://postimg.org/image/rmlfqjfrt/
https://postimg.org/image/qyh6lc6ft/
https://postimg.org/image/3yaj908m1/
https://postimg.org/image/4cbv8lspl/
https://postimg.org/image/w0yig4fq1/
https://postimg.org/image/4rn51memx/

Still fought these invisible guys too.
https://postimg.org/image/whjq2k3h5/

I'll address the healing factor comments later. She's got one of the most consistent healing factors around, and you're leaving out tons of context behind Blob. She suffered severe damage before she fought him, and overestimated how well her healing factor was still working. It's not a low showing.

I'd be happy to post 2 healing feats for every low showing you have of her though, since she doesn't have many lows tbh. What Leo posted is her average.

I agree with Leo as far as BP's suit is concerned. On paper, it sounds good, but we need to see how it performs against some other elite streets first. On paper, his last suit should have made him basically invincible in hand to hand, but it didn't really work out that way against named opponents...

leonidas
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StyleTime
Originally posted by StyleTime
X-23 has been killing invisible opponents since she was a killed. Her senses make it much less useful. Dilorenzo here was undetectable to both infrared and multiple spectrum technology. X-23 still aced him.

That's supposed to be "kid". sad

leonidas
lol i sorta figured....

DarkSaint85
How would her HF deal with spirit attacks?

Not being silly here. He uses the dead Panthers in battle. Not just physical attacks.

If it's on panel proof you're after....

StiltmanFTW
What I got from this thread... Panther is so amazing, he can have his super-strength and peak human strength at the same time laughing out loud

Truly incredible thumb up

DarkSaint85
Not from me!

StiltmanFTW
No, you tried to be reasonable and mentioned new stuff.

Just still don't know what type of forcefields you meant. Skintight or bigger? Magnetic?

DarkSaint85
Skintight...this phaggot,smh.

I don't think it's a FF, tbh. It's his suit.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by leonidas
you seem to be giving him a win here based on status as much as anything. none of that would have any bearing on the way a brutal, ugly fight would go down between these 2 imo. it's his tech vs her crazy damage soak, hf and claws. This stuck out to me cause I mean, Leo

Originally posted by leonidas
who is the most arrogant hero in their respective universes? who's the one hero you'd love to see slapped down the most, not because you simply dislike them as heroes, but because they are simply so full of themselves that you simply can not stand them.

my personal pick: panther. he's #1 with a bullet in either universe for me. i can barely stomach reading the ultimates because he's part of the team. dude makes doom look like gandhi. it annoys me tbh, because i used to enjoy the character before he got this ridiculous push. there are a couple others for me (some obvious, others less so), but i don't want to steal too much thunder. love to hear some of yours.

From your thread "Battle of conceit"

You are the one with an ax to grind lol

His powers have expanded beyond his status like being able to utilize spiritual abilities

leonidas
lol an axe to grind? i've said this was close all along. i DO hate bp. that certainly wasn't always the case, but yeah--he's turned into the worst hero in marvel imo and nothing would give me greater pleasure than to say she guts him 10/10. i also said if he gets to call on the dead, then sure, he wins. that seems...kinda lame in a 1on1 battle, but if he needs that to cement a win, whatever. thumb up

all along i've asked for direct proof that he can (a) do enough damage to take her out and (b) as the defenses to prevent him being gutted by a claw.

tbh ds is the only one who has presented anything new. pretty sure most bp 'fans' weren't even aware of his new suit and its abilities. lol

i also said the force field could change things, but i've not seen any proof of its combat effectiveness to judge it fairly. and even with it, he still has to dish out enough damage to take her out--something i've also not seen yet.

NOW he can attack her spirit? if, ds, you mean summoning the dead against her, then, sure, he wins. i'd have figured that wasn't really an option here but if that is allowed, i concede. but it seems to me that is the ONLY way he gets a sure win out of this battle.... despite his, er, 'evolved' status in marvel.

Vanguard
You forgot to mention that I basically confirmed that he couldn't be stabbed.

StyleTime
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
She was KO for a minute because a bullet in the head, and Blob beat her bad in a x-men issue. Not sure if we should stick with "She insta heal from anything below destroying her entire body".

Panther with his energetic gauntled has more striking power than Blob IMO.
Here's her shrugging off a jet strike.
https://postimg.org/image/7vejblbz7/
https://postimg.org/image/en4yeg0yr/
https://postimg.org/image/665g3iw9v/

As for headshots, I've got two examples of her shrugging those off during bulletstorms. Here, she was strapped to a table and basically sawed in half. She breaks out, eats all their bullets(including a headshot) and kills everyone anyway.

https://postimg.org/image/eq22npydh/
https://postimg.org/image/nmcurnozp/
https://postimg.org/image/l6b1dt6x1/
https://postimg.org/image/us4lu3y2t/


This one was the standard riddled with bullets scenario. It was also one of the events that occurred right before she fought Blob.
https://postimg.org/image/umdxhd9bd/
https://postimg.org/image/rtkpxc8yx/
https://postimg.org/image/keve4yn3d/

Laura's healing factor is actually pretty consistent. I'd like to know the bullet-to-the head example you brought up, but even still, it's 1 example compared to the multiple Leo and I posted. Some people don't like it, but this is her average. She's got a nice catalogue, and I can always post more if we really want add up her lows vs everything else.

StiltmanFTW
eaebiakuya is probably talking about this, Style:

http://imgur.com/a/jlt5c

StyleTime
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How would her HF deal with spirit attacks?

Not being silly here. He uses the dead Panthers in battle. Not just physical attacks.

If it's on panel proof you're after....
I can't recall any feats against that, so I guess it'd just be standard resistance.
That said, BP had to go to the Necropolis beforehand and summon those spirits in your scan.

https://postimg.org/image/n7pdb7tzv/

It seemed like something that required prep, so I didn't think it'd matter much in this fight. Can he just do it whenever now?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
eaebiakuya is probably talking about this, Style:

http://imgur.com/a/jlt5c
Gotcha.

Yeah, Taylor gave a her a pretty weak start in that series. At the very least, she did take multiple shots before going down.

Still, it's just one low compared to the like 8 posted. I showed two that directly contradicted it in fact.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, you tried to be reasonable and mentioned new stuff.

Just still don't know what type of forcefields you meant. Skintight or bigger? Magnetic?

http://worldofblackheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/new-avengers-20-3.jpg

leonidas
Originally posted by Vanguard
You forgot to mention that I basically confirmed that he couldn't be stabbed.

lol with a normal steel blade maybe... irrelevant given the fact that she has adamantium which is harder than vibranium. as i said already. a couple times.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
http://worldofblackheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/new-avengers-20-3.jpg

now wait a second--that's from the avengers, pre-sw isn't it? if so, that has no bearing at all on this discussion since it's a different suit altogether. that type of force field wouldn't do much anyway. sure she couldn't get through it, but he couldn't do anything behind it either so it might buy him some time i guess but i doubt he'd resort to that type of shield often in personal combat...

if i'm wrong and that's not a pre-sw suit, than forget what i said. thumb up

Vanguard
No dood.

On Priests site where he said Panther can't be stabbed period.

StiltmanFTW
Which is not a definitive proof, but fine, I'll play along.

He can still be chopped to pieces, lol. Which, by the way, is much worse, fyi.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by TheHulkster
http://worldofblackheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/new-avengers-20-3.jpg

Thanks.

So, they're not automatic and he needs to erect them. Not great for h2h combat, unlike Tony's and Magneto's personal ffs.

leonidas
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which is not a definitive proof, but fine, I'll play along.

He can still be chopped to pieces, lol. Which, by the way, is much worse, fyi.

thumb up

and both inadmissible and irrelevant since i'm pretty sure the suit has changed anyway since that comment was made.....

Vanguard
Originally posted by leonidas
thumb up

and both inadmissible and irrelevant since i'm pretty sure the suit has changed anyway since that comment was made.....

yea it has changed. its even more powerful

Vanguard
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which is not a definitive proof, but fine, I'll play along.

He can still be chopped to pieces, lol. Which, by the way, is much worse, fyi.

You cant chop it. Only slash it.

StiltmanFTW
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/ROKbeef01/billydeew_zpsb3cbb318.gif~original

leonidas
pretty much... lol

curious though--how exactly is the suit more powerful....? and proof of its increased power? it has some different powers it seems, and bp has learned to shift the energy of his daggers, but how is the suit more powerful exactly?

Vanguard
It took an RPG with no problem
It absorbs energy and redirects it in the form of kinetic blasts
It has the kimoyo tech built into the suit

etc....

eaebiakuya
Regarding Black Panther Stats...he was peak human BEFORE Hickman upgrade.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2795819-current_black_panther_is_super_human.png

Ok, this can be seen as PIS...but is just a example to show that he is no more street level. He was in the group who attacked Thanos:

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-014.jpg

In Civil War II, he was able to hold Iron man:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/4voA__PGd4LINjmoExXFStnEUocGOLrPo3_-BgYILx3mpFQLeI08MvGOyHMq4Hi6vuTW0ZAUfezg=s0

If we get his feats AFTER Hickman upgrade...we have him fighting against Namor, Black Dwarf, breaking a cell that Tony was unable to:
http://imgur.com/a/XVa01

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
ltbh ds is the only one who has presented anything new. pretty sure most bp 'fans' weren't even aware of his new suit and its abilities. lol

NOW he can attack her spirit? if, ds, you mean summoning the dead against her, then, sure, he wins. i'd have figured that wasn't really an option here but if that is allowed, i concede. but it seems to me that is the ONLY way he gets a sure win out of this battle.... despite his, er, 'evolved' status in marvel.

That's because DS is amazing, and occasionally knows what he's talking about thumb up

And no, most fans weren't. I seem to be the only one here.

As for summoning the dead...meh. I have no dog in this fight, I don't really care lol. But I just thought I'd actually correct some things. Like:

Originally posted by Vanguard
No dood.

On Priests site where he said Panther can't be stabbed period.
Yeah but Ta-Nehisi Coates is writing him now.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
http://worldofblackheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/new-avengers-20-3.jpg

Irrelephant. Unless we could go the Batman route, and have EVERY single item he has shown to use, and say that's his standard gear?

Originally posted by StyleTime
I can't recall any feats against that, so I guess it'd just be standard resistance.
That said, BP had to go to the Necropolis beforehand and summon those spirits in your scan.

https://postimg.org/image/n7pdb7tzv/

It seemed like something that required prep, so I didn't think it'd matter much in this fight. Can he just do it whenever now?

He does it quite casually:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4vPu4cskWiA/WSWcwjvqNNI/AAAAAAAD1nA/s9Rx4KRO9WoJt9rLarhRSRzb2wkSiHZDACLcB/s1600/019_007.jpg


The scan you posted showed him using Eden to open the gate so that the dead could pass over. Once over, though, they are now in the 616 reality, as they have 'crossed the bridge'.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ru2ppN4Y4Bc/WOx2RjsWzlI/AAAAAAADHI4/HbHhPMfwCMMLxcc4i8axByskEyLvcAf1wCLcB/s1600/08_24.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ocCoEIzWmyw/WOx2SJQ0fBI/AAAAAAADHJA/PAAXKMDy51EPS-xK9WiQWBrtsmuL9T-IwCLcB/s1600/08_25.jpg

Plus, he still has his spirit spear thingybob. Which seems to be a threat even to the dead - so possibly a spirit attack?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZQpBndBA8SY/WSWcxFuf5BI/AAAAAAAD1nI/SG3TNkWvjfEqGaDuQ1JPixkZB0PrFh7EwCLcB/s1600/019_011.jpg

And again, casually summoning his spear:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PN6tBMT7scw/WSWcyBxkrtI/AAAAAAAD1nc/XvuKK-tXobwIYmA5wZ0AO_R9E9CS4x0VwCLcB/s1600/019_015.jpg

krisblaze
Spirit weapon might be a solid choice to bypass the HF.

leonidas
yeah, that is a possibility for sure. need to see what it can actually do.

StiltmanFTW
It can glow in the dark.

StyleTime
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He does it quite casually:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4vPu4cskWiA/WSWcwjvqNNI/AAAAAAAD1nA/s9Rx4KRO9WoJt9rLarhRSRzb2wkSiHZDACLcB/s1600/019_007.jpg


The scan you posted showed him using Eden to open the gate so that the dead could pass over. Once over, though, they are now in the 616 reality, as they have 'crossed the bridge'.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ru2ppN4Y4Bc/WOx2RjsWzlI/AAAAAAADHI4/HbHhPMfwCMMLxcc4i8axByskEyLvcAf1wCLcB/s1600/08_24.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ocCoEIzWmyw/WOx2SJQ0fBI/AAAAAAADHJA/PAAXKMDy51EPS-xK9WiQWBrtsmuL9T-IwCLcB/s1600/08_25.jpg

Plus, he still has his spirit spear thingybob. Which seems to be a threat even to the dead - so possibly a spirit attack?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZQpBndBA8SY/WSWcxFuf5BI/AAAAAAAD1nI/SG3TNkWvjfEqGaDuQ1JPixkZB0PrFh7EwCLcB/s1600/019_011.jpg

And again, casually summoning his spear:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PN6tBMT7scw/WSWcyBxkrtI/AAAAAAAD1nc/XvuKK-tXobwIYmA5wZ0AO_R9E9CS4x0VwCLcB/s1600/019_015.jpg
I see where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced quite yet.

https://postimg.org/image/7llgwczuh/

It showed he was still in the City of the Dead when he summoned them again, and they were already waiting for him in that conference room. It's entirely possible he needs to be there to summon them, and likely did it before hand, since that is consistent with the original summoning. If he starts summoning them mid battle, I'll be more open to the idea. Right now, I think it's best left in the prep column.

It's entirely possible they serve an advisory function now too. Going by statements, they only rallied to fight "one last time", and haven't been seen in action since. (Granted, not many issues have passed)

https://postimg.org/image/n7pdb7tzv/

The spear thing is interesting, but, like half the stuff mentioned here, we don't have much data on it. Or if it's something he'd regularly use once back in contact with mainstream Marvel. He's only actually used it in one fight so far, right?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Regarding Black Panther Stats...he was peak human BEFORE Hickman upgrade.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2795819-current_black_panther_is_super_human.png

Ok, this can be seen as PIS...but is just a example to show that he is no more street level. He was in the group who attacked Thanos:

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-014.jpg

In Civil War II, he was able to hold Iron man:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/4voA__PGd4LINjmoExXFStnEUocGOLrPo3_-BgYILx3mpFQLeI08MvGOyHMq4Hi6vuTW0ZAUfezg=s0

If we get his feats AFTER Hickman upgrade...we have him fighting against Namor, Black Dwarf, breaking a cell that Tony was unable to:
http://imgur.com/a/XVa01
He had no problems keeping up with his higher tiered teammates when they were fighting a small army of Void/Sentry and Venom hybrids.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zSfitM2S0Po/VyroGbu9f6I/AAAAAAACCUE/j3esBfOZwXoHtWUHOdX18kSUWOYEfgM9QCLcB/s1600/70_03.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R4MGPKe4vH8/VyroGyp2C3I/AAAAAAACCUI/blhTMdkhUlw2Ft6G08q0O8rwFXXJyGV1gCLcB/s1600/70_04.jpg

krisblaze
So what? Nobody ever has any problems keeping up with their team-mates.

Hawkeye isn't the equal of Thor or Iron Man.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by krisblaze
Hawkeye isn't the equal of Thor

Lord Barton has easily matched the power of Mjolnir strike.

I catch you blaspheming like that again, you're banned for good.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by krisblaze
So what? Nobody ever has any problems keeping up with their team-mates.

Hawkeye isn't the equal of Thor or Iron Man.
You know, I could have easily said that he had no issues battling Void/Sentry and Venom hybrids for a whole issue...

leonidas
laura could perform as well in that setting. and she has, in similar settings. cool scans though--where is that from?

celeyhyga17
Contest of Champions #8.

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Vanguard
Panther has a new style called "Shadow Combat" also. It's a mixture of K'un Lun and other styles. Might as well throw that in there.

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