Ultimates run a team gauntlet!

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byrdgang21
Ultimates: Blue Marvel, Captain Marvel, Spectrum, Ms. America, Black Panther)


vs


1) Teen Titans: Nigtwing, Raven, Starfire, Cyborg, Beast Boy

2) Fantastic Four & Namor

3) Young Justice: Robin, Superboy, Blue Beetle, Bart Allen

4) X-Force: Wolverine, God Cable, Colossus, Archangel, Fantomex

5) X-Men: Cyclops, Storm, Shaman Nate Grey, Iceman, Magik

6) Avengers: Ironman, Hulk, Vision, Hyperion, Capt America

7) JLA: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, GL Hal

8) Annihilators: Surfer, Gladiator, Nova, Quasar, Ronan

9) Thor Corps: Jane Thor, Odinson, BRB, Thor Girl, Thunder Strike



12 hours rest between rounds.

How far do they get?

I know the order is probably messed up.

carver9
Stops at 5 imo.

DarkSaint85
Stops at 4. No answer to Fantomex.

Edit: May even stop at 1, thanks to Raven.

leonidas
my thoughts pretty much exactly. raven is a tough call and a tough counter. fantomex f's them up.

byrdgang21
Originally posted by leonidas
my thoughts pretty much exactly. raven is a tough call and a tough counter. fantomex f's them up.

I understand your reasoning about Fantomexs hax powers but what's your specific reasoning for Raven. What specifically about her causes them so much trouble?

DarkSaint85
She can attack their souls, whilst being immune to their attacks.

Panther MAY have some soul attacks of his own or whatever, but Raven is pretty powerful

StyleTime
Fantomex would get blitzed by Monica guys.

Even if he got a misdirect off, Cable TP'ing everyone is their only shot. If he can't down them immediately afterwards, they probably lose.

leonidas
that is one way it could possibly go. been shown recently that thought>light speed though so if he thinks misdirect first they are in a lot of trouble immediately...

and raven's soulself would be a challenge. no real analogue in marvel.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StyleTime
Fantomex would get blitzed by Monica guys.

Even if he got a misdirect off, Cable TP'ing everyone is their only shot. If he can't down them all in one go, they probably lose.

That's assuming we know how it works.

Monica blitzes Fantomex - only to realise she's accidentally blitzed Panther, that kinda thing.

Then yes, as you say, God Cable is there. Either Cable mindphucks them, or Fantomex blitzes Monica.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--U1DSF_wGYI/WOzhH8XZL2I/AAAAAAADJ4M/iIfFwJEi1WYvJw-nQN8TTo5hrCvpxEDBgCLcB/s1600/90_10.jpg

StyleTime
Originally posted by leonidas
that is one way it could possibly go. been shown recently that thought>light speed though so if he thinks misdirect first they are in a lot of trouble immediately...

Misdirection isn't thought based.

I agree that thought speed is inconsistent in comics though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's assuming we know how it works.

We do know how it works.

https://postimg.org/image/fkavg8y9n/
https://postimg.org/image/pctwpcmbx/

It's basically a spell he casts by talking. The second one is when Archangel/Dark Beast figured out how to reflect it back at Fantomex, but it still shows Fantomex trying to cast it. Plenty of time for a Monica-sized beat down.

As a side note, it's also not that useful mid-fight since the illusion doesn't really take hold. It's why Psylocke was able to beat him 1v1. And Agent Zero stalemated him. And Deathlok Spiderman could fight him, etc.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StyleTime
It's not thought based.

We do know how it works.

https://postimg.org/image/fkavg8y9n/
https://postimg.org/image/pctwpcmbx/

It's basically a spell he casts by talking. The second one is when Dark Beast figured out how to reflect it back at Fantomex, but it still shows Fantomex trying to cast it. Plenty of time for a Monica-sized beat down.

As an aside, it's also not that useful mid-fight since the illusion doesn't really take hold. It's why Psylocke was able to beat him 1v1. And Agent Zero stalemated him. And Deathlok Spiderman could fight him, etc.

Fantomex is getting mad overrated on these boards. Shame, because I really like the character.

Except for ALL the times it works without talking:

https://i.imgur.com/WFgZJBy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hPRvI6E.jpg
https://s5.postimg.org/u02e2ck5z/1_-_Inerplanetary_Long_Range_Misdirection_1.jpg

Nor would it have needed reality to be bent to break the misdirection:
https://s5.postimg.org/sq9611frr/image.jpg

Here, HE gets misdirected - note the lack of talking:
https://s5.postimg.org/5e2osz7yv/uh0_APRk.jpg

And when it works against everyone else. Jean with the Phoenix Force. Deathseed amped Psylocke. Professor X. Wolverine. Deadpool. Shadow King. Apocalypse's horsemen. etc etc.

StyleTime
Just had to stretch the page, eh? This ain't that serious yo.

DarkSaint85
Whatever do you mean?

StyleTime
Hm, maybe you misdirected me? lol

Anyway, they don't depict his actual words every time, as it's already been established that's how it works. We simply didn't see when he actually cast it. We're also often getting it from the perspective of the "misdirectee", as it makes the reader confused about the illusion too. That's what made the series awesome.

leonidas
yeah, i don't think that explanation holds in all cases. it worked, but it doesn't explain many of the showings imo. he even misdircted the celestial SHIP. all that to say it is't even a guarantee she would go at him first. a misdirect that has the ultimates winning quick and easy would have all their guards down and most would be taken out rather easily i think after that. ults have much more raw power though and without a misdirect they lose pretty handily.

DarkSaint85
Apocalypse's ship didn't require any words. And we were looking from the POV of Wolvy/Fantomex.

https://imgur.com/a/WYRCd#0

And we know it only happened when he woke up.

StyleTime
The ship one is dubious yes, but it meshes with most of the rest. And they were all under the same writer, who established early on that's how it works.

And who knows, maybe the words help enhance what his opponent sees. He still had to "cast" it in that scan. I don't see why a Monica blitz is out of the question. As for her likelihood of targeting him, I don't know. Fantomex has been known to fisticuff people, as well as misdirect seeming wonky when engaged in full combat with someone.

leonidas
i wonder if misdirection is actually common knowledge tbh. i asked before and the jury seemed likd of split on the issue. /shrug

DarkSaint85
I personally don't think it's common knowledge. He's meant to be a skilled thief who the X-Men didn't even know existed until relatively recently

StyleTime
Originally posted by leonidas
i wonder if misdirection is actually common knowledge tbh. i asked before and the jury seemed likd of split on the issue. /shrug
Good question. On that same note though, we need more of a consensus on how combat applicable it is. We present it as a "stun to KO" type of attack on the forums, but it's usually something he uses to run away. It's like being bodily present mucks with the illusion, or maybe the "casting" takes effort he can't afford to spare when someone is all over him.

Look at the Pyslocke fight(scans). Or his multiple scuffles with the Deathloks. Or when he fought Deadpool. Or Agent Zero. or AoA Iceman.

https://postimg.org/image/vtxd1tnd9/
https://postimg.org/image/qwjsgple5/
https://postimg.org/image/lz67vljf1/
https://postimg.org/image/3jm953yq5/
https://postimg.org/image/n2quegxhp/
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except for ALL the times it works without talking:
Here, HE gets misdirected - note the lack of talking:
https://s5.postimg.org/5e2osz7yv/uh0_APRk.jpg

Also, forgot to add that the misdirect occurred before that fight took place.
https://postimg.org/image/vvqjzkqfn/

Sin I AM
Isnt Panther a psuedo-mystical being now? Not to up on his enhanced powerset but iirc hes fought mystics before and i wouldnt be suprised if he could affect Raven. Hes like Doom-lite imo

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StyleTime
Good question. On that same note though, we need more of a consensus on how combat applicable it is. We present it as a "stun to KO" type of attack on the forums, but it's usually something he uses to run away. It's like being bodily present mucks with the illusion, or maybe the "casting" takes effort he can't afford to spare when someone is all over him.

Look at the Pyslocke fight(scans). Or his multiple scuffles with the Deathloks. Or when he fought Deadpool. Or Agent Zero. or AoA Iceman.

https://postimg.org/image/vtxd1tnd9/
https://postimg.org/image/qwjsgple5/
https://postimg.org/image/lz67vljf1/
https://postimg.org/image/3jm953yq5/
https://postimg.org/image/n2quegxhp/

Also, forgot to add that the misdirect occurred before that fight took place.
https://postimg.org/image/vvqjzkqfn/

He also uses it when fighting teams, such as with the Horsemen, directing their attacks at each other.

I use it to mean, in character, he doesn't actually fight straight up. He IS A thief, after all.

Usually on the forums, I use it as a time buyer. In a forum fight, another point to note is that running away isn't an option - but shooting them in the face, is.

Or in this case, letting the rest of his team go to town on them.

eaebiakuya
Why tought is faster than light? This makes no sense, imo is bad writting, and is not even consistent in comics. Who have lightspeed...thinks in lightspeed...

StyleTime
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He also uses it when fighting teams, such as with the Horsemen, directing their attacks at each other.

I use it to mean, in character, he doesn't actually fight straight up. He IS A thief, after all.

Usually on the forums, I use it as a time buyer. In a forum fight, another point to note is that running away isn't an option - but shooting them in the face, is.

Or in this case, letting the rest of his team go to town on them.
I wasn't being specific enough. I think there's a mechanism in misdirection that makes it much less useful when actively engaged in combat without some sort of surprise element. He pre-emptively misdirected the Shadow King controlled X-Force, but had to fight the same Deadpool straight up just a few pages later and wasn't able to misdirect him.

https://postimg.org/image/ccubqendz/
https://postimg.org/image/k6uxbsv6v/
https://postimg.org/image/iggho231j/

Similar happened with AoA Nightcrawler, along with others I've already mentioned. I know the ability is deliberately kept vague, but I'm not sure he can always just hold them in place while his team goes to town. We could discuss some scans later I guess.Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Why tought is faster than light? This makes no sense, imo is bad writting, and is not even consistent in comics. Who have lightspeed...thinks in lightspeed...
Yeah, light speed should be faster. And the only issue with Monica is who she will target imo. I still maintain the only scan that directly contradicts his speech casting is the Apocalypse ship one.

Flyattractor
I am really wanting to watch any of the Gauntlet Teams that can beat the shit out of Cap Marvel cause She is a SHIT Character.

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