Flash vs Juggernaut

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carver9
Flash has 1 second to ko Classic Juggernaut, can he achieve this? This takes place in a featureless environment.

DarkSaint85
Yes.

http://pm1.narvii.com/6071/cd8e0e78f8c81297a6347185d6615f3ea94d1d43_hq.jpg

Edit: of course, the caveat being that Flash has access to all of his powers and is able to try anything and everything he wants, up to and including time travel.

If OP or anyone wishes to place stipulations (NO! He can't do X, he can't do Y, he can only do Z), then we know that yes, Flash can indeed KO Classic Juggy in 1 second.

Flyattractor
But Der JHUGGANUTS has der Helmutt dat makes him lookl like a big brown dildo!!??

Horrificus
No ko.
Acting upon the assumption that Flash has no prior knowledge of how Juggernaut's powers work, Juggernaut's force field should be able to negate or, at least, seriously compromise anything the Flash does, utilizing "speed" as an attack.

But, after that 1 second, things would get interesting.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://pm1.narvii.com/6071/cd8e0e78f8c81297a6347185d6615f3ea94d1d43_hq.jpg
Thats a long time -relatively speaking- to realize he cant KO Juggernaut.

Horrificus
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes.

http://pm1.narvii.com/6071/cd8e0e78f8c81297a6347185d6615f3ea94d1d43_hq.jpg

Edit: of course, the caveat being that Flash has access to all of his powers and is able to try anything and everything he wants, up to and including time travel.

If OP or anyone wishes to place stipulations (NO! He can't do X, he can't do Y, he can only do Z), then we know that yes, Flash can indeed KO Classic Juggy in 1 second. holy crap!!
I have been reading comics for decades, with Flash being among my favorites. And, only right now, after reading your post, did something occur to me...

It would be HORRIBLE to be the Flash! Holy God!! What a frickin nightmare. He would have immediately gone insane.

As a matter of fact, looking at the image in yer post, u can kind of see it. Yeah. In his eyes. He's f'ing nuts!

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Horrificus
holy crap!!
I have been reading comics for decades, with Flash being among my favorites. And, only right now, after reading your post, did something occur to me...

It would be HORRIBLE to be the Flash! Holy God!! What a frickin nightmare. He would have immediately gone insane.

As a matter of fact, looking at the image in yer post, u can kind of see it. Yeah. In his eyes. He's f'ing nuts!

thumb up that's how strong his will is stick out tongue

StiltmanFTW
Actually, he can control how he perceives things, iirc.

Horrificus
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually, he can control how he perceives things, iirc. yeah, i know. But, to just instantly KNOW EVERYTHING, first of all, would be bananas.
Then, whenever he is in a non-speed mode, would b like walking around with everything and everybody always being frozen.
Yeesh. I'll pass.
Bring on the next super power please. Pref something much less "thinky" and much more "breaky". Or even "blasty".

DarkSaint85
This is the Anti-Monitor, after an explosion that could destroy a galaxy:

http://i.imgur.com/ajH6ix4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vDRQi9e.jpg

Tanking all of the Corps, combined (granted, he's a BL, but if anything, that makes him less durable:
http://i.imgur.com/7IQQ1m3.jpg

Takes blows from nearly all of Pre Crisis DC:
http://i.imgur.com/D3XXoSm.jpg

Multiple Guardians of Oa:
http://imgur.com/a/HUl2S

And Flash?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3707117-2657489924-33142.jpg

Then there are always internal attacks, which would phuck him up from the inside. Which bypasses the FF, btw.

DarkSaint85
Internal attacks, for the KO:

Wally could speed all of Juggy's cells up and make them burn:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/kinivac.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/inol.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tEWvbXo.jpg

Wait, he wouldn't do that to a sentient being?
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/molestea.jpg

But would it work past Juggy's FF?

Yes. As shown with Cyclops' various plans to deal with Kuurth - which he planned would work on Juggernaut, but hadn't dealt with the Serpent's additional enchantments. Internal attacks work (after all, that's why they need to get rid of that helmet in the first place). Matter manip works on his internals.

StiltmanFTW
Don't be ridiculous. It wouldn't work on Juggernaut.

Some of Cyke's plans were desperate af, simple as that.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't be ridiculous. It wouldn't work on Juggernaut.

Some of Cyke's plans were desperate af, simple as that.

No my point was, it DID work on Kuurth.

It just didn't KO him.

But it would KO Juggy, just like psychic attacks work on Juggy but not Kuurth.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But it would KO Juggy

No, it really wouldn't. Are you high?

Reducing him to a skeleton didn't KO him.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No my point was, it DID work on Kuurth.

It just didn't KO him.

But it would KO Juggy, just like psychic attacks work on Juggy but not Kuurth.
Thats a stretch.

Nothing's been shown here that's in even forum terms 'definitive'. Just a lot of opining in the guise of facts.
Cant see backing Flash on this one. no

Horrificus
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Internal attacks, for the KO:

Wally could speed all of Juggy's cells up and make them burn:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/kinivac.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/inol.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tEWvbXo.jpg

Wait, he wouldn't do that to a sentient being?
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/molestea.jpg

But would it work past Juggy's FF?

Yes. As shown with Cyclops' various plans to deal with Kuurth - which he planned would work on Juggernaut, but hadn't dealt with the Serpent's additional enchantments. Internal attacks work (after all, that's why they need to get rid of that helmet in the first place). Matter manip works on his internals.
U would hace a lot more proving to do, to make that stick.
This is Classic Juggs. His piwers were just as vague and limitless as Flash's powers.
Y would Flash b able to bypass Juggernauts ff? How? When all sorts of top tiers at the time were shooting blanks against him.
Y is Flash able to overcome Cyttorak's power?
There r a lot if arguments that can b thrown up to counter Flash in this scenario.

Lots of variables.

Then, of course, there is the problem with this on-panel stuff below.
Even in this state, Juggernaut does not seem to b ko'd.

In fact, he seems to b quite randy!

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/api/image/scale_super/3192711-3958094762-Jugge.jpg

Horrificus
Also, we all know Flash has heavy feats, but lets not forget some of the math that has earned Juggernaut his respect, even indirectly.

For example, we know Thor has some off-the-chart striking feats, such as cracking the armor of a Celestial. Yet he was unable to do the same to Juggernaut.

DarkSaint85
thumb up

You guys have all convinced me.

It only took....a couple of hours?

http://i.imgur.com/ZkD5qzx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6IPp0HO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OD1gjFs.jpg

riv6672
A couple hours, or 6.12E+42 attoseconds. thumb up

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by Horrificus
holy crap!!
I have been reading comics for decades, with Flash being among my favorites. And, only right now, after reading your post, did something occur to me...

It would be HORRIBLE to be the Flash! Holy God!! What a frickin nightmare. He would have immediately gone insane.

As a matter of fact, looking at the image in yer post, u can kind of see it. Yeah. In his eyes. He's f'ing nuts!

You should search up "The Ballad of Barry Allen" on YouTube.

Horrificus
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You should search up "The Ballad of Barry Allen" on YouTube. ok. Looking now.

Horrificus
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You should search up "The Ballad of Barry Allen" on YouTube. NICE!! TY.
Got me thinking. This was my very first comic book-

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/super-team-family/15-1.jpg

EcstaticGrace
No problem. I've never honestly been that submerged into the Flash comics. The earliest I've read was when Bart was running around as Flash.

Always loved their powerset, the origin of it, and all of their personalities though. And ironically if I could write any DC character it would probably be Flash which might cause disapproval.

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