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Arachnid1
https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/10/15776168/anthem-ea-bioware-rpg-teaser-e3-2017

This is Biowares new game made by the same team that made the original Mass Effect trilogy. I'm on board just to see a new IP by those guys. It won't be release until 2019 apparently but I'll be following it closely.

ares834
A Destiny knockoff made by EAware? I'll pass.

Beniboybling
With a live service and disruptive new social design tho.

Arachnid1
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We'll see where they take it. These guys gave me a hundred+ hours of a great experience in ME so they've more than earned the benefit of the doubt.

Demonic Phoenix
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Smasandian
From a graphics point of view, it looks very impressive.

If they can impart Bioware storytelling than I'm game. Destiny and The Division tried to expand story into the loot gathering but they ultimately failed. If the intro sequence that starts the quest is an indication of how the game sets up missions then this game is very much on my radar.

The strange thing....is that the most impressive part of the demo was when the players flew through the air and then dived in the water to open up an entire area beneath it. If that's the case then I will be more than happy to explore the world they created

Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, that exploration gameplay looked amazing. I'm not a fan of co-op games in general, but I want to see where this goes.

BruceSkywalker
can't wait to buy and play.. this looks good

Smasandian
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, that exploration gameplay looked amazing. I'm not a fan of co-op games in general, but I want to see where this goes.

As Ares said, it's EA's version of a loot shooter. It's probably not going to have any huge surprises. If they include Bioware storytelling then it could be something special.

BackFire
Difficult to really gauge anything about the game yet. Have no idea about the story or if there will be an emphasis on characters/world building, or if it'll be like Destiny where all that is on the back burner. Has potential, will have to see more on it, though.

Smasandian
From the trailer, it does look like they are making an effort to provide some resemblance of a story.

Most games like this are very bare when it gives out missions. It's usually some sort of voiceover/phone thing while this game seems to have interaction with NPC's.

Tough to say though.

BackFire
Yeah, but I mean this is Bioware, their games are primarily known for characters/writing moreso than for gameplay reasons. If the main priority of the game isn't characters/writing than I have to question why Bioware even made this game.

Smasandian
True and it's the Edmonton office and that's the good one.

I just don't see EA releasing that trailer without having a huge story element attached to the game. And after the shitstorm EA received after ME:A, I cannot see them allowing this game to be released in that state.

This looks like EA Edmonton had help from DICE because those facial animations are straight from the Battlefield series.

BackFire
Yeah the animations, and the graphics in general, were really nice.

I look forward to seeing more of the game over the next year or so.

Nemesis X
But doesn't The Old Republic have loot gathering but still tell a story? I think we're letting Destiny and Division get to us.

Smasandian
Yes, from what I understand.

The Division did have a story and the missions were pretty good.

ares834

KingD19
Well they showed 6-8 minutes of an Alpha mission. For all we know it could be just like Mass Effect or Dragon Age with a huge story that branches depending on your choices in and out of combat.

ares834

Beniboybling
Looks lame and generic. no

BackFire
Some good news about this game. Drew Karpyshyn, head writer of Mass Effect 1 & 2 is writing for Anthem.

Antonio94
Originally posted by BackFire
Some good news about this game. Drew Karpyshyn, head writer of Mass Effect 1 & 2 is writing for Anthem.

Then I will consider this is an excellent news. When Anthem announced at E3 I was kinda worried since I'm quite skeptical when it's gameplay video shown. Graphic aside, the video looks extremely scripted to me and after what happened with Andromeda, I'm in cautious state.

Smasandian
It was scripted but aside from that big monster at the beginning of the game, all the rest of footage seemed pretty normal to me.

1. You can fly down to areas. Seems normal to me.
2. You swim under water and fight dudes. Nothing too outrageous.
3. You attack those things at the end. Seemed like a mission event.


It didn't seem too scripted to me.

Tzeentch
Looks interesting at least from an aesthetic perspective, but looter-shooters in which you have to autistically grind for RNG unlocks (or just pay real money haaaa) is the definition of cancer so it's likely a no-go for me.

Robtard
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
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Would have to see/hear more, but as of right now, looks very meh, aside from looking pretty/cool designs.

NemeBro
ares you've hated Bioware for like seven years now, they're not one of your favorite developers you phucking nerd.

Anyway, meh on this game.

ares834
They were one of my favorite developers years ago. KotOR and ME2 are two of my favorite games. It's just been a long time since I've liked them. stick out tongue

Nemesis X
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Yeah seems about right.

Zack Fair
No hype for me.

ares834
So EA stuck again and just killed Visceral. After the disaster that was ME:A, I expect Bioware is on thin ice. If this game doesn't meet EA's absurd expectations, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware is closed down.

Kazenji
EA is the serial killer of game studio's.

Arachnid1
Originally posted by Kazenji
EA is the serial killer of game studio's. RIP Dead Space. You're up in survival horror heaven with Silent Hill now.

Judging by sales, Evil Within will be with you guys shortly. I'm glad Evil Within went out on such a phenomenal entry unlike Silent Hill Downpour or Dead Space 3 though.

https://i.imgur.com/n7utPH9.png

Kazenji
I guess its only time until they take DICE out the back and finish them off too.

Smasandian
Have you read the Kotaku story regarding Visceral?

I think there was major problems within the company. I don't think it's all on EA's feet.

BackFire
https://kotaku.com/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts-1822380989

Good article about this game (and Bioware in general). Backs up the idea that Bioware is basically putting all their eggs in the Anthem basket. This game needs to succeed or else Bioware may suffer greatly. Nearly the full brunt of Bioware is working on Anthem, including the Austin team who are taking a break from the Star Wars MMO to help out. It's all hands on deck.

With one caveat - There's a small team working on a new Dragon Age game and it has already been rebooted (probably not a good sign) to include "live" aspects, whatever that means.

Nemesis X
I think they'd have little trouble if they just look at Destiny 2 and know what NOT to do. no expression

If Anthem is the game that decides whether Bioware stands or falls, then I hope it succeeds. They're the only ones I know that make the kind of RPG games I like. Without them....T-T

BackFire
I think Anthem will do alright if (and it's a big if these days unfortunately) they don't muck up with the microtransactions. Gamers seem very very ready to absolutely destroy a game if it has what is viewed as predatory or unfair microtransactions. And since EA is helming this game they could very well get greedy and botch everything up like they did with Battlefront 2.

I'm like you, despite the fact that part of me is bitter that this is the game that got the development time from the A team instead of a new Mass Effect, I'd like it to do well and be a good game so that Bioware can continue to make games and hopefully one day make another great Mass Effect game.

Tzeentch
I want Bioware to be taken out back and shot in the head because much like Bungie the majority of the people who made all those great games we fell in love with have long since moved on to greener pastures. The developers left are the ones who kissed enough EA ass to keep their jobs. Time to put the beast out of its misery.

Nemesis X
I dunno. I mean I like some of the Bioware games that were made while under the EA banner from ME2 to DAI but Bungie has yet to make one good game since they left Microsoft for Activision IMHO.

BackFire
There are still quite a few of the old guard of Bioware still there. Casey Hudson, drew karpyshyn, Patrick Weekes. Just that they are spread out to other projects now and are head honchos over there. Weekes is now the head writer of Dragon Age, Hudson runs the entire company, and Karpyshyn seems to just go where he's need to help with writing.

Smasandian
Aside from Andromeda, Bioware hasn't produce a bad game. I don't get the mentality of "kill it off" when they can still produce quality titles.

But I guess we are in the age of, "if it's not perfect, it's a pile of garbage" era of video games. Well...at least for AAA developers.

BackFire
And I'd argue that Andromeda isn't a bad game. Does some things very well, misstepped in others. But I'd still consider it an okay game.

The Lost
Originally posted by BackFire
And I'd argue that Andromeda isn't a bad game. Does some things very well, misstepped in others. But I'd still consider it an okay game.

I'd agree. It's actually got a lot going for it.

Tzeentch
Originally posted by Smasandian
Aside from Andromeda, Bioware hasn't produce a bad game. I don't get the mentality of "kill it off" when they can still produce quality titles.

But I guess we are in the age of, "if it's not perfect, it's a pile of garbage" era of video games. Well...at least for AAA developers. You don't get it because you and I are different premise entirely.

If you hold the opinion that DA2, DAI, TOR and MEA were all trash from both a writing and gameplay perspective, while ME3 was awful from a writing one, Bioware ceases to fit in the category of "flawed but pretty good overall." They're in the "these people haven't made an overall great game in almost ten years" category.

As for the strawman about a game/company needing to be perfect or else it's trash, nah the playerbase is frankly way more accepting of the industry's shitty business practices then it should be. You think peoples' standards are too high because you have none.

The Lost
lol at blax's "you committed a strawman so here's a false dilemma."

Haha. ****in' classic Blax.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by BackFire
And I'd argue that Andromeda isn't a bad game. Does some things very well, misstepped in others. But I'd still consider it an okay game.

Part of me wants to defend Andromeda somewhat kind of but I feel there were too many steps backwards with that game. Sometimes, it's the little things that matter and when those little things have been in every Bioware game up until now, you take notice and it feels frickin weird!

Smasandian
Yeah, I would agree with that. It felt really disjointed and you can't really defend the bugs it had.

I feel like the game could of been something special if they spent more time in regards to the planet building idea. If you actually spent time turning planets into vibrant colonies...that would of been fun. They didn't nail the frontier feel either. In my opinion, the game should of been a space version of Wyatt Earp but instead of towns, it's planets.

Nemesis X
First step to uh oh. Mass Effect writer leaves Bioware.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/mass-effect-writer-who-left-in-2012-and-then-came-/1100-6457319/

cdtm
Mass Effect trilogy will be my last Bioware title.

Glad I got it, and most of the dlc, but **** EA.

BackFire
Well at least the writing for Anthem would be done by now, probably.

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Nephthys
Originally posted by BackFire
Well at least the writing for Anthem would be done by now, probably.

Yeah, this isn't that big of a deal if they've probably finished off the writing. It could be that her work on it was done and she just left. The same thing just happened to Obsidian for Deadfire which is coming out in a month.

BackFire
Yeah, it's not like he was frustrated and left. He was rehired for a specific purpose and fulfilled that purpose, so his job is done. Think this is getting kinda blown out of proportion.

Smasandian
Yep!!

I guess we should expect developers to keep every single person in the company for all eternity. But discount the fact that people require change, move or try new careers.

Nephthys
No romances, no companions, no character customization, and no offline play.

RIP Bioware.

BackFire
This game really doesn't look very good imo. Combat looks super generic and I see none of the hallmarks of a good bioware game being shown, like side characters or world building. I'm extremely underwhelmed and I didn't have very high expectations in the first place. Maybe we'll see more and a better representation at the Microsoft conference tomorrow.

Nemesis X
It doesn't look terrible. Combat does look a tad generic but if they can pull this off as an open world story driven cooperative shooter without any microtransactions, it could do where Destiny struggled and be fun. Otherwise RIP Bioware indeed.

Smasandian
It's a loot shooter. It's what people want these days.

I think the game looks very interesting from a "world" perspective but I will wait and see before making a major judgments.

cdtm
Originally posted by Tzeentch
You don't get it because you and I are different premise entirely.

If you hold the opinion that DA2, DAI, TOR and MEA were all trash from both a writing and gameplay perspective, while ME3 was awful from a writing one, Bioware ceases to fit in the category of "flawed but pretty good overall." They're in the "these people haven't made an overall great game in almost ten years" category.

As for the strawman about a game/company needing to be perfect or else it's trash, nah the playerbase is frankly way more accepting of the industry's shitty business practices then it should be. You think peoples' standards are too high because you have none.

Oh wow. This is the most objective, even handed, well adjusted response I've seen here.

I feel exactly the same way every time people get offended for telling them they are shit, everything they like is shit, and they're shits for not accepting my reasonable opinions. thumb up

ares834
Originally posted by Nephthys
No romances, no companions, no character customization, and no offline play.

RIP Bioware.

That seemed obvious from the beginning. This game was never going to be anything then a Destiny clone.

The Lost
Originally posted by Nephthys
No romances, no companions, no character customization, and no offline play.

RIP Bioware.

Romances could actually be added later (if the demand is high enough) and would free, according to Darrah.

No companions is confirmed. Depending on how this game is structured and if they incorporate other story functions effectively, it won't bother me.

Yeah, no customization for the individual inside of the suit, I am pretty sure, but more javelins are coming in the future and customizations will go beyond colors (For example, no two Rangers will look exactly the same).

No offline play doesn't irk me that much but I can certainly see why it does for some.

It won't be a BioWare game that people are used to but if they make this an enjoyable experience and check most of the boxes with a degree of competency? I don't see what the issue is. This also isn't an indication that their other franchises are dead or they are done with SP games or w/e so I don't really understand the "RIP Bioware" statement. Do you think Anthem indicates a changing trend for Bioware that will be negative? If so, why do you think this?

NemeBro
He's saying RIP Bioware because he expects Anthem to underperform, and that when it does, EA will drag Bioware out back and blow its brains out.

Nephthys
Yeah, it doesn't cater to any of Biowares strengths or what their fanbase expect from them. On top of being a blatant Destiny-clone I expect it to likely underperform (at least by EA's standards) and be just another nail in the coffin.

Bioware needs this to succeed after Andromeda. But with their fanbase I doubt it will. The gameplay looks good but it also looks super shallow outside of that.

BackFire
I think the game will probably sell pretty well initially, but will probably end up hampered by a lot of the same issues the Destiny games are - long term playability problems, things like "game play loops" being emphasized over a compelling story and strong characters/world building, issues with satisfying loot drops/weapons, etc.

I'm not sure I agree that this needs to be a home run for Bioware to remain safe, though. It's a new franchise, EA may be giving it some leeway in regards to how it performs or how it's received. I think the next Dragon Age game will truly be the make or break game for Bioware.

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