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This is Diana just before she discovered her powers. Right at that fight scene where she was sparring with her aunt, before she discovered her bracelet shockwave thing (which still doesn't make sense to me by the way)

She takes on depowered Thor in a UFC cage match, both dressed in spandex wrestling unitards.

Standard UFC rules apply, except they're allowed to hit behind the head and kick a downed opponent. Also both not wearing gloves.

Who wins?

She was never actually depowered, She always had her powers, even before she fully discovered them. She is the daughter is Zeus.

Assuming they're both completely de powered, you've got a skilled 230 lb male vs. a skilled 140 lb female. The male will unquestionably win every time.

If the premise is a 225lbs fit man vs 130lbs fit woman and both have combat training and UFC rules are in place, I'm going to go with the much larger man winning 10 out of 10.

edit: Or what Khazra just said, ninja'd

In a UFC style fight Thor wins. In a normal movie like h2h fight it might be a split

Originally posted by h1a8
In a UFC style fight Thor wins. In a normal movie like h2h fight it might be a split

Could you elaborate why you'd think it'd be a split in a movie h2h fight?

Originally posted by Robtard
If the premise is a 225lbs fit man vs 130lbs fit woman and both have combat training and UFC rules are in place, I'm going to go with the much larger man winning 10 out of 10.

edit: Or what Khazra just said, ninja'd

I was hoping that considering how easily Diana took out her other Amazon sparring partners, as well as the agility and skill she displayed, it would make the match a bit more equal.

What happens if we gave both a steel pipe as a weapon and got them to fight in the street instead?

Then Diana has the 'puncher's chance', cos a steel pipe to the head could/will drop a 225lbs pound. I'd still give the edge to Thor due to reach and strength advantages.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What happens if we gave both a steel pipe as a weapon and got them to fight in the street instead?

How about if Diana mocks him for no longer having lustrous blonde locks?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
How about if Diana mocks him for no longer having lustrous blonde locks?

Hasn't happened yet. Lustrous blonde locks are still a film feat for Thor.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then Diana has the 'puncher's chance', cos a steel pipe to the head could/will drop a 225lbs pound. I'd still give the edge to Thor due to reach and strength advantages.

Well, even "depowered", he wasn't your average person. He got hit by a van two separate times without sustaining any visible injuries.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hasn't happened yet. Lustrous blonde locks are still a film feat for Thor.

Fine, I will revisit this in November. sneer

Let's put it this way, depowered Thor steamrolled multiple agents whereas regular WW had a small fight scene with a random general that was granted superstrength.

Well Diana steamrolled multiple Amazons, who were slightly above humans.

WW >>>>>>>> Amazons in physical stats. In WW's place, normal Thor could solo the whole Island in hth

Originally posted by KingD19
Well Diana steamrolled multiple Amazons, who were slightly above humans.

Yes, Gods>Amazons>Humans, as stated in the movie.

Originally posted by Sable
Yes, Gods>Amazons>Humans, as stated in the movie.

Amazons are humans...

Watch the movie again. They are above humans.

A few dozen (not bullet proof) women took down an entire ship of German Soldiers with automatic weapons.

Originally posted by Silent Master
WW >>>>>>>> Amazons in physical stats. In WW's place, normal Thor could solo the whole Island in hth

She only started to grow beyond them once she fought her aunt and sent out that shockwave. Before that everyone but Hippolyta and Antiope thought she was normal.

That is just when the differences started to become blindingly obvious, there is no proof that before that she only had average stats.

She herself didnt notice the changes until after. As she didnt atart getting stronger until after. Her mother and her aunt didnt even act like she was different until she sent out the blast. She just seemed slightly better tham the others possibly due to 3x harsher training.

Not noticing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Find it hard to see how someone could possess the strength to lift tanks and go through their entire adult lives without realizing it.

That isn't what is being said.

Yes, it is.

No it isn't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is just when the differences started to become blindingly obvious, there is no proof that before that she only had average stats.
It depends on if the amazons were above human or not. Zeus created them to fight against Ares. It makes sense that they should be above human in stats.


If you believe that they had human stats then WW definitely started at human level. This is because she didn't kill them with her blows and the fact that they were able to affect her, even knock her down.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is just when the differences started to become blindingly obvious, there is no proof that before that she only had average stats. What exactly are you arguing?

This is Diana before she discovered her powers, per the OP. Diana before she discovered her powers, according to you, might indeed have had superhuman power that she just didn't realize which let her perform her feats.

That being true isn't a point against Diana, since that unknowingly superhuman Diana is the Diana Thor has to fight.

Edit: my bad, just reread the Op, you're right.

Originally posted by Sable
A few dozen (not bullet proof) women took down an entire ship of German Soldiers with automatic weapons.

What? It was not the entire ship's worth. It was like 5 landing boats, and looked to be maybe 40 - 50 soldiers in total. And the Amazons deployed similar numbers, between the ones who came off the cliff and the cavalry that came from the side. And the Germans did not have automatic weapons. They were packing rifles.

Originally posted by Sable
Watch the movie again. They are above humans.

A few dozen (not bullet proof) women took down an entire ship of German Soldiers with automatic weapons.

Perhaps you should watch the movie for the first time, because they didn't face a ship full of German soldiers with automatic weapons.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Perhaps you should watch the movie for the first time, because they didn't face a ship full of German soldiers with automatic weapons.

Seems he is making the assumption that because the ship was shown sinking, it automatically means that every single crew member managed to escape and make it to the beach (of which there is no onscreen proof). And even if we indulge that notion, we visibly see how many Germans made it off the ship, and it certainly did not provide them with any notable numerical advantage. Not to mention that the Amazons had the strategically superior position, and were able to kill a number of the Germans before they even reached the beach, because they had the higher ground on top of the cliff and could shoot them while they were still in the boats. Their position also allowed them to attack the Germans from two different directions once they landed on the beach. The Germans had the advantage in firepower, but the Amazons had factors that were in their favour as well.

No idea where he is coming up with the automatic weapons thing though, as the soldiers were clearly using rifles.

You are right, they had riflies. The scene with fully automatic weapons was later in Germany. In any case, they had semi-automatic weapons. Which are still considered automatic by current ATF classifications.

Well, apparently the rifle type used for the beach battle scene was the 1903 Turkish Mauser (at least according to the people at IMFDB, and identifying what kinds of guns are used in various movies/scenes is their whole thing). Those are bolt-action rifles if I am not mistaken.

Besides, The ATF doesn't consider semi-automatic rifles to be automatic. that argument is just silly.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Besides, The ATF doesn't consider semi-automatic rifles to be automatic. that argument is just silly.

The ATF considered semi automatic weapons a semi-automatic weapon., not fully automatic, if they were not automatic weapons, they would not be called, semi-automatic, not understanding what words means is sillier.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, apparently the rifle type used for the beach battle scene was the 1903 Turkish Mauser (at least according to the people at IMFDB, and identifying what kinds of guns are used in various movies/scenes is their whole thing). Those are bolt-action rifles if I am not mistaken.

Fait enough.

Originally posted by Sable
The ATF considered semi automatic weapons a semi-automatic weapon., not fully automatic, if they were not automatic weapons, they would not be called, semi-automatic, not understanding what words means is sillier.

You said

Originally posted by Sable
You are right, they had riflies. The scene with fully automatic weapons was later in Germany. In any case, they had semi-automatic weapons. Which are still considered automatic by current ATF classifications.

Semi-automatics are not considered automatic. Semi-automatic and automatic are two completely different classifications.

I guess you don't know the difference between fully automatic, and semi automatic, Both are still automatic weapons.

Here is a semi-automatic weapon firing at a automatic rate with a simple and legal modification not involving any machining or filing of the sear.

t643366.html

Originally posted by Sable
Fait enough.

Well, at the end of the day, even bolt-action rifles > bows and arrows, so the Amazons still did really well with what they had. They are clearly a very skilled and strategically sound fighting force, but their weapons and technology is where they fall short.

And that database is pretty damn useful actually. It's kind of insane how many films/tv shows they cover, and how quickly they add new stuff.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, at the end of the day, even bolt-action rifles > bows and arrows, so the Amazons still did really well with what they had. They are clearly a very skilled and strategically sound fighting force, but their weapons and technology is where they fall short.

And that database is pretty damn useful actually. It's kind of insane how many films/tv shows they cover, and how quickly they add new stuff.

Which DB were you using?

Originally posted by Sable
I guess you don't know the difference between fully automatic, and semi automatic, Both are still automatic weapons.

Here is a semi-automatic weapon firing at a automatic rate with a simple and legal modification not involving any machining or filing of the sear.

t643366.html

Why don't you just post a link to where the ATF says they classify semi-automatic as automatic?

Originally posted by Sable
Which DB were you using?


Internet Movie Firearm Database. The main page seems to be spazzing out right now though, or I would link it. But all the other pages work.

Here is the WW page though, for example:

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_(2017)

They list the types of guns used, as well as showing in which scenes and by which characters they are used.

You know you Jeff Bezos owns iMDB? And now about the rest of the world.

Ok bottom line, German soldiers weren't using automatic arms during their fight with the amazons.

Originally posted by Sable
You know you Jeff Bezos owns iMDB? And now about the rest of the world.

I just googled his net worth. Jeezus Christ.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok bottom line, German soldiers weren't using automatic arms during their fight with the amazons.


We already went over that, a bit late to the party.

By "we already went over that" you mean, several people already corrected you.

Are you going to dock my pay?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I just googled his net worth. Jeezus Christ.

He just bought Whole Foods for 13 billion.

Originally posted by Sable
Are you going to dock my pay?

I don't think welfare counts as pay.

How much do you charge?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't think welfare counts as pay.


I thought you cared about the less fortunate?

I don't call charity paying people, I call it helping them.

Pay me

Originally posted by Sable
We already went over that, a bit late to the party.

So then stop discussing it and move on.

I thought you blocked me?

Originally posted by Sable
He just bought Whole Foods for 13 billion.

Yeah, he has a net worth of $84 billion odd. More than Buffet or Zuckerberg, and not that far off Gates. I would have no idea what to do with that much money. I think this is veering a bit off topic though. Anyway, that database I linked can be pretty useful for things like calculations or comparisons. Because, from the information you get there, you can go on to find the types of ammunition used, muzzle velocities etc. Which can factor into quantifying bullet-related speed/reaction- and durability feats.

After 1b, it's a point system for them.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Assuming they're both completely de powered, you've got a skilled 230 lb male vs. a skilled 140 lb female. The male will unquestionably win every time.

Yup, Rhonda couldn't take a girl punching her, a male would have killed her.

Same with these 2.

Originally posted by KingD19
She only started to grow beyond them once she fought her aunt and sent out that shockwave. Before that everyone but Hippolyta and Antiope thought she was normal.

Lol what? They always knew what she was and that ares would come for her. This was stated. Hip simply refused to tell her.

Chris Hemsworth was never 230, he was 205 for Thor by his own words. Similarly, Gadot has never been over 120. Not that it really matters, but my autism kicked in.

Thor wins.

There's no way a 6'3 man with that much muscle is only 205 lbs.. He should at least be over 210. And last time I checked Gadot was stated to be 120 lbs.

In an interview he did for the movie Rush he said that he was 215 when playing Thor. He mentioned it because he had to drop to 185 for the role of James Hunt.

Yeah, 215 sounds more reasonable. I don't think he's 230, since Dwayne Johnson is 230. I figured he was close to 220, or at least in AoU which seemed to be his biggest physique yet.

Camera tricks and all these modern actors have chicken legs, since they only do shirtless scenes.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Camera tricks and all these modern actors have chicken legs, since they only do shirtless scenes.

Not a lot of camera tricks here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY9XfmbXOZQ

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not a lot of camera tricks here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY9XfmbXOZQ

Bro...

http://imgur.com/a/AE1Wk

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