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Poor London's just not catching a break

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960


Hate just breeds more terror.

I should add as of this time there's no statements by the police, so the news is only going by eye witness accounts. But it seems to be an attack specifically aimed at innocent muslim worshippers.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I should add as of this time there's no statements by the police, so the news is only going by eye witness accounts. But it seems to be an attack specifically aimed at innocent muslim worshippers.

The bigot's arguments will be they haven't assimilated and the communities are not doing enough to stop extremism. They will then say they are surprised it isn't happening more, tacitly endorsing it and then hopefully suggesting copy cats, whilst pretending to be sad.

Anyone who commits acts like this is scum, no justification can be given!

1 man confirmed dead. 10 injured.

It has been officially classed as a terrorist attack.

Hate breeds terror. Not religion. Simple.

Been confirmed that the suspect said "I want to kill all Muslims." For God's sake.

Good. It's about time Mussies got a taste of their own medicine. The FinsburyPark Mosque was once described as an "Al Qaeda camp in the heart of London" by an MI5 operative. Islam, in general, need to be eradicated from the west. Love and love is not going to be the solution.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1 man confirmed dead. 10 injured.

It has been officially classed as a terrorist attack.

Hate breeds terror. Not religion. Simple.

Again I told you Thor. You're life as a black man isn't going to magically improve by defending Muslims. They are very much outgunning non-mulsims when it comes to Terror attacks and related deaths this year by a factor of 100. Religion is a part of that no matter how many mental backflips you do to try and such the cock of Islam.

Yeah this sounds like a false flag to me. I will admit that this time the likelihood of a false flag is higher. The guy was quickly intercepted, someone stopped the Muslims from inflicting harm on him, he was lead off the site. Also keep in mind that he will likely die in prison anyway unless they take extreme precautions. The Muslim gangs in the UK are the biggest behind bars and he will not survive prison - just like the one who got the death penalty for putting up bacon in front of mosques.

But no one will know when he disappears.

Though to be fair - he could indeed be a Lone Wolf - a true one.

London mosque attack: driver shouted 'I want to kill all Muslims,' witness says

Details here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/19/several-casualties-reported-after-van-hits-pedestrians-in-north-london

I was taking this at face value until I read he got out shouting "I want to kill all Muslims!" Who would do that? It doesn't sound realistic. If he'd got out shouting "Deus Vult!" I could believe this a lot better. It just seems...scripted.

Originally posted by Uchiha_Macho
Good. It's about time Mussies got a taste of their own medicine. The FinsburyPark Mosque was once described as an "Al Qaeda camp in the heart of London" by an MI5 operative. Islam, in general, need to be eradicated from the west. Love and love is not going to be the solution. classy

Originally posted by Uchiha_Macho
I was taking this at face value until I read he got out shouting "I want to kill all Muslims!" Who would do that? It doesn't sound realistic. If he'd got out shouting "Deus Vult!" I could believe this a lot better. It just seems...scripted.
An 'extremist' would - consumed by hate and bigotry.

They are killing people openly - do you see any rationality or 'being realistic' in that? If they have no inhibitions about killing people out there in the open - they can say anything in the public as well. Being realistic is not there concern.

Common sense much?

Btw that Abu Humza what's his face extremist who used to preach at that mosque used to put off the larger community from going. He used to force himself there and they closed down the mosque for a while because of him. Which is why he ended up preaching outside.


Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
London mosque attack: Imam saves attacker who ploughed van into pedestrians

Witnesses said that an imam from the mosque protected the driver of the van from angry members of the public until the police could arrive

God bless that Imam

Yeah total respect

Originally posted by Uchiha_Macho
Good. It's about time Mussies got a taste of their own medicine. The FinsburyPark Mosque was once described as an "Al Qaeda camp in the heart of London" by an MI5 operative. Islam, in general, need to be eradicated from the west. Love and love is not going to be the solution. dur

Well wasn't Surt just talking about how liberal demagogues were CLEARLY responsible for that Virginia shooting? Wonder if he'll be a hypocrite and say conservative demagogues had no influence on this attack...

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well wasn't Surt just talking about how liberal demagogues were CLEARLY responsible for that Virginia shooting? Wonder if he'll be a hypocrite and say conservative demagogues had no influence on this attack... I predict he will revel in his hypocrisy as usual.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well wasn't Surt just talking about how liberal demagogues were CLEARLY responsible for that Virginia shooting? Wonder if he'll be a hypocrite and say conservative demagogues had no influence on this attack...

Lol, why are you such a piece of shit? This is yet another terror attack in London and you're worried about how a stranger online is going to react. You're worried about getting your jabs in.

I find it also funny you will run your mouth about hypocrisy on the right, but never seem to show up when the left acts this way.

And now, because you had to run your mouth some more, you've derailed a terror attack thread.

Uchiha_Macho is that same troll who keeps making accounts here, saying ****ed up shit and getting banned. I've mentioned before that he was originally a user named Intrepid in the Star Wars section of the forum who got banned, then made hundreds of consecutive accounts to harass me and other people as well as repeatedly spamming porn. Bada will hit him with the ban hammer soon, don't waste your time on him.

Also, props to that Imam. Clearly the man understands the vital and important difference between justice and vengeance and is willing to put himself on the line and cast aside his feelings to uphold that difference.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, why are you such a piece of shit? This is yet another terror attack in London and you're worried about how a stranger online is going to react. You're worried about getting your jabs in.

I find it also funny you will run your mouth about hypocrisy on the right, but never seem to show up when the left acts this way.

And now, because you had to run your mouth some more, you've derailed a terror attack thread. Calm down Surt dude, Lestov was just commenting on how you cuck for the right even in emotional situations where your cucking is likely to seem unpleasant. No need to get triggered brah!

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, why are you such a piece of shit? This is yet another terror attack in London and you're worried about how a stranger online is going to react. You're worried about getting your jabs in.

I find it also funny you will run your mouth about hypocrisy on the right, but never seem to show up when the left acts this way.

And now, because you had to run your mouth some more, you've derailed a terror attack thread.

Fine. Do you feel conservative proselytizing led to this attack? Also, to me, you're not just a stranger on the internet. You are representative of your conservative base. The more hypocritical you are, the more I see conservatives as hypocrites on a whole. So don't be hypocritical in your answer....

And yes, anyone calling for political violence is a piece of shit.

Trump, the antifa protesters who claim we need militant action against so-called "fascists", feminist frequency for claiming violence against political opponents is a necessity, those who go beyond saying some Islamic ideology and culture should be criticized and implicating all Muslims as enemies in some sort of collective guilt bullshit, BLM calling for the deaths of cops.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
BLM calling for the deaths of cops.

*bullshit detected*

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
*bullshit detected*



Agreed #FAKENEWS

The douchebag chants of "What do we want? Dead cops" and "Pigs in a Blanket fry em like bacon" come to mind.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The douchebag chants of "What do we want? Dead cops" and "Pigs in a Blanket fry em like bacon" come to mind.

interesting. do you think you just proved that BLM advocated for dead cops?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The douchebag chants of "What do we want? Dead cops" and "Pigs in a Blanket fry em like bacon" come to mind. So that's the entire BLM movement? Have you got any black friends DMB?

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
So that's the entire BLM movement? Have you got any black friends DMB?

i'm guessing that their skin was a dark tone of brown, therefore they were obviously members of BLM.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i'm guessing that their skin was a dark tone of brown, therefore they were obviously BLM.

but how dark makes them BLM to DMB on the QT?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Fine. Do you feel conservative proselytizing led to this attack? Also, to me, you're not just a stranger on the internet. You are representative of your conservative base. The more hypocritical you are, the more I see conservatives as hypocrites on a whole. So don't be hypocritical in your answer....

Lol but again: a stranger on the internet should not be representing an entire base of people for you. That is insanity.

As for if I think rhetoric against Muslims lead to this attack, I do think it played a part(as well as the many many terror attacks). The interesting experiment will be how the media handles this. Will they agree with you and I? Because if they do lol@ the hypocrisy. Since these people fought tooth and nail to try to say the Virginia shooting wasn't because of leftist rhetoric.

If the media is consistent though, we will see op ed's from the NYT's, etc. about why this isn't conservatives faults, etc. I highly doubt they will react that way. Just look at how they reacted to the Portland stabbing.

Also, Surt, you say I don't condemn the left? You forget that I voted for Jill Stein rather than Hillary.

And the "many many terror attacks"? So you're saying this was arguably a revenge act?

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol but again: a stranger on the internet should not be representing an entire base of people for you. That is insanity.

As for if I think rhetoric against Muslims lead to this attack, I do think it played a part(as well as the many many terror attacks). The interesting experiment will be how the media handles this. Will they agree with you and I? Because if they do lol@ the hypocrisy. Since these people fought tooth and nail to try to say the Virginia shooting wasn't because of leftist rhetoric.

If the media is consistent though, we will see op ed's from the NYT's, etc. about why this isn't conservatives faults, etc. I think if you scratch beneath the surface of many conservatives on the internet you find hypocrites, my observations tally with Lestov's.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Fine. Do you feel conservative proselytizing led to this attack? Also, to me, you're not just a stranger on the internet. You are representative of your conservative base. The more hypocritical you are, the more I see conservatives as hypocrites on a whole. So don't be hypocritical in your answer....
Come on that's completely ridiculous. By that same token you could judge the left as a whole off of the actions and arguments of those who claim all white people are racist and it's impossible for black people to be racist, or those who actually defend communism as a good ideology, or those on feminist frequency claiming that political violence is a necessity, or the spreading of the wage gap myth. As somebody on the left who rejects all of those things, I would find it absurd for me to be judge based on the actions and stances of other people also on the left.

This idea of collective guilt, that you can say "this person is a hypocrite, so therefore it's okay for me to judge other people on their political wing based on this persons actions" is ridiculous. And I have no love for conservative ideology, and in fact find a lot of conservative stances regressive, but judging conservatives on the whole based on Surtur is not a fair judgement.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I think if you scratch beneath the surface of many conservatives on the internet you find hypocrites, my observations tally with Lestov's.

Yes, and we can find many bigots here too, like you for instance. This is not up for debate, you made a bigoted statement. Move on from it and don't let it ever happen again.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Come on that's completely ridiculous. By that same token you could judge the left as a whole off of the actions and arguments of those who claim all white people are racist and it's impossible for black people to be racist, or those who actually defend communism as a good ideology, or those on feminist frequency claiming that political violence is a necessity, or the spreading of the wage gap myth. As somebody on the left who rejects all of those things, I would find it absurd for me to be judge based on the actions and stances of other people also on the left.

This idea of collective guilt, that you can say "this person is a hypocrite, so therefore it's okay for me to judge other people on their political wing based on this persons actions" is ridiculous. And I have no love for conservative ideology, and in fact find a lot of conservative stances regressive, but judging conservatives on the whole based on Surtur is not a fair judgement.

The thing is, on this forum, Surt is probably one of the lesser conservatives. There used to be guys like TI and Star who made Surt seem near-liberal by comparison. That's why I use Surt as my conservative litmus test.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Also, Surt, you say I don't condemn the left? You forget that I voted for Jill Stein rather than Hillary.

How does that equate to you condemning the left on this forum?



It could be they were fed up with the terror attacks and decided to do something. Just like the Virginia shooter was apparently fed up with the Republicans and decided to go shoot some.

Combine those feelings with some violent rhetoric and you have a recipe for disaster.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Come on that's completely ridiculous. By that same token you could judge the left as a whole off of the actions and arguments of those who claim all white people are racist and it's impossible for black people to be racist, or those who actually defend communism as a good ideology, or those on feminist frequency claiming that political violence is a necessity, or the spreading of the wage gap myth. As somebody on the left who rejects all of those things, I would find it absurd for me to be judge based on the actions and stances of other people also on the left.

This idea of collective guilt, that you can say "this person is a hypocrite, so therefore it's okay for me to judge other people on their political wing based on this persons actions" is ridiculous. And I have no love for conservative ideology, and in fact find a lot of conservative stances regressive, but judging conservatives on the whole based on Surtur is not a fair judgement.

Surtur is at the bottom end of the intellectual gene pool, it would be unfair to judge all conservative's by his opinions.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
So that's the entire BLM movement? Have you got any black friends DMB?
Let me rephrase my statement, those specific people and crowds in BLM who call for the deaths of cops are pieces of shit (and that includes one of BLM's founders who cited a cop murderer on the FBI's most wanted list as an inspiration). I really hate the idea of collective guilt, so I should have been more specific and clear with my statement.

Also yes I have black friends, and criticism of BLM are not criticisms of black people because "black person" does not equate to "BLM supporter." BLM does not have a monopoly on the support or interests of all black people just the same as feminism doesn't have a monopoly on the support or interests of all women, and the alt-right and other shitty white identitarian movements don't have a monopoly on the support or interests of all white people.

Just because a movement claims to advocate for a specific group does not make them official representatives of that group.

Originally posted by Beniboybling


Surtur is at the bottom end of the intellectual gene pool, it would be unfair to judge all conservative's by his opinions.

Never ceases to amaze me how many fvcking dickheads there are in the world. That being said, after spending 3 days in London over the weekend I wanted to kill people as well.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Let me rephrase my statement, those specific people and crowds in BLM who call for the deaths of cops are pieces of shit (and that includes one of BLM's founders who cited a cop murderer on the FBI's most wanted list as an inspiration). I really hate the idea of collective guilt, so I should have been more specific and clear with my statement.

Also yes I have black friends, and criticism of BLM are not criticisms of black people because "black person" does not equate to "BLM supporter." BLM does not have a monopoly on the support or interests of all black people just the same as feminism doesn't have a monopoly on the support or interests of all women, and the alt-right and other shitty white identitarian movements don't have a monopoly on the support or interests of all white people.

Just because a movement claims to advocate for a specific group does not make them official representatives of that group. That's a reasonable statement, do you think the Police as an institution are inherently racist?

Originally posted by Beniboybling


Surtur is at the bottom end of the intellectual gene pool, it would be unfair to judge all conservative's by his opinions.

Lol, pot, kettle, black, etc.

Originally posted by jaden101
Never ceases to amaze me how many fvcking dickheads there are in the world. That being said, after spending 3 days in London over the weekend I wanted to kill people as well. I am back for a week in 3 weeks... I concur, London brings out the worst in me now. I go from Heathrow to flat and my familiar neighborhood and that's it. I hate being back in the U.K.

Originally posted by Surtur
How does that equate to you condemning the left on this forum?



It could be they were fed up with the terror attacks and decided to do something. Just like the Virginia shooter was apparently fed up with the Republicans and decided to go shoot some.

Combine those feelings with some violent rhetoric and you have a recipe for disaster.

I've condemned Hillary many times. I also condemned Michael Brown. As well as protection of radical Islam (although now that appears to be something both liberals and your Trump buddy have in common)

So violent rhetoric can lead to
violence. Good. So back during the campaign when 2 conservatives assaulted a homeless Hispanic man, you agree that was due to Trump's violent rhetoric.

Its odd how when it comes to conservative terrorists, you understand their motivations are feelings of hate and embitterment, yet you ask why there are Muslim attacks. Like Muslims don't work along the same line of human thinking as everyone else.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I've condemned Hillary many times. I also condemned Michael Brown. As well as protection of radical Islam (although now that appears to be something both liberals and your Trump buddy have in common)

So violent rhetoric can lead to
violence. Good. So back during the campaign when 2 conservatives assaulted a homeless Hispanic man, you agree that was due to Trump's violent rhetoric.

Its odd how when it comes to conservative terrorists, you understand their motivations are feelings of hate and embitterment, yet you ask why there are Muslim attacks. Like Muslims don't work along the same line of human thinking as everyone else.

Because the Muslims are doing it int he name of their horrid religion. Don't get it twisted, there is hate involved lol. They hate you if you aren't a part of their horrid religion. There is bitterness involved. They are bitter the entire world doesn't follow their horrid religion.

"Their horrid religion"? You do know ideologies are interpreted subjectively right? How can any religious or political ideology be inherently horrid? I thought you were smarter than that Surt

Also of their religion is horrid, does that make the victims of the attack horrid people?

Also, if were going to ban all horrid ideologies, shouldn't we outlaw the KKK and Kim Davis type Christians?

It almost sounds like a bigoted statement. hmm

KKK and Kim Davis types are still >>> The average Mussie living in th UK.

Originally posted by Lestov16
"Their horrid religion"? You do know ideologies are interpreted subjectively right? How can any religious or political ideology be inherently horrid? I thought you were smarter than that Surt

If one of it's prophets f*cked a kid and tortured a jew to death for treasure...that's a horrid religion. The killing of poets for speaking against him also does not boil down to an "interpretation".



No, the religion is horrid. We have an Islam problem, not a Muslim problem.



Yes lol. Though I feel like you kinda lift up the KKK when you are including them along side people like Kim Davis.

Anyway, as I was saying, this sounds like a stage set-up
For one, it is extremely convenient for the tired discourse that is always spun ("racist whitey bears all sin", the damage was quite far from the Mosque where MSM says it happened, and as I pointed out, the guy's line was hammy as hell.

Originally posted by Surtur
If one of it's prophets f*cked a kid and tortured a jew to death for treasure...that's a horrid religion. The killing of poets for speaking against him also does not boil down to an "interpretation".



No, the religion is horrid. We have an Islam problem, not a Muslim problem.



Yes lol. Though I feel like you kinda lift up the KKK when you are including them along side people like Kim Davis.

Umm...have you read the Bible? You think the Quran is the only scripture with violence in it? So you think torturing a Jew to death in the Koran means the entirety of Islam is evil, but stoning gays to death and enslaving rival tribes in the Bible doesn't mean Christianity is bad....

You are the EPITOME of hypocrisy...or ignorance...or both....

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It almost sounds like a bigoted statement. hmm

It's not. Why? Cuz I said it's not. I also feel it's observably true.

These things erase bigotry like magic.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Umm...have you read the Bible? You think the Quran is the only scripture with violence in it? So you think torturing a Jew to death in the Koran means the entirety of Islam is evil, but stoning gays to death and enslaving rival tribes in the Bible doesn't mean Christianity is bad....

You are the EPITOME of hypocrisy...or ignorance...or both....

You are the EPITOME of an ignorant jackass. The Christian bible is horrible. Thing is, Christians these days aren't holding up the bible in the same way these radicals old up their prophet.

Even the moderates praise Muhammad. Muslims are the ones committing a majority of terror attacks.

They could have the worst book in the world and it wouldn't matter if shitheads weren't exploding themselves over it every other week.

Originally posted by Surtur
You are the EPITOME of an ignorant jackass. The Christian bible is horrible. Thing is, Christians these days are holding up the bible in the same way these radicals old up their prophet.

Even the moderates praise Muhammad. Muslims are the ones committing a majority of terror attacks,

Well if it's so bad, why did Trumpster give them $110 billion?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well if it's so bad, why did Trumpster give them $110 billion?

Lol...what? Are you talking about the deal with Saudi Arabia? Cuz we were talking about Muslims and you come in with "why'd he give them so much money?!'. He didn't give Muslims as a whole money. Like I said, apparently the deal was with Saudi Arabia.

Let us say that somehow Trump was indeed magically going to give just Muslims in general a lot of money...I don't understand how that negates my above point.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol...what? Are you talking about the deal with Saudi Arabia? Cuz we were talking about Muslims and you come in with "why'd he give them so much money?!'. He didn't give Muslims as a whole money. Like I said, apparently the deal was with Saudi Arabia.

Let us say that somehow Trump was indeed magically going to give just Muslims in general a lot of money...I don't understand how that negates my above point.

Your buddy funds radical terrorism. For someone so certain that Islam is horrid. You don't know dick about it.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Your buddy funds radical terrorism. For someone so certain that Islam is horrid. You don't know dick about it.

I never said I agreed with Trumps deal with Saudi Arabia. But you STILL have not explained how it negates my point.

EDIT: Oh and btw Lest...under which president did these deals first begin?

Originally posted by Surtur
Because the Muslims are doing it int he name of their horrid religion.


A terrorist attack on Muslims just last night, and you're still encouraging the Hate with statements like this. Wow!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
A terrorist attack on Muslims just last night, and you're still encouraging the Hate with statements like this. Wow!

Read the entire topic to see where the discussion leads, I didn't just decide to randomly say what you quoted. Instead of discussing the attack on the first page someones response was:

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well wasn't Surt just talking about how liberal demagogues were CLEARLY responsible for that Virginia shooting? Wonder if he'll be a hypocrite and say conservative demagogues had no influence on this attack...

It's funny you didn't condemn this person for this, but you're giving me a "Wow!".

Originally posted by Darth Thor
A terrorist attack on Muslims just last night, and you're still encouraging the Hate with statements like this. Wow!

just vile.

So Surt, why hasn't your coward prez mentioned this on twitter? He has no problem when the races were reversed. Even insulted London's mayor. But now he's silent. Just shows how hypocritical you conservatives truly are.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So Surt, why hasn't your coward prez mentioned this on twitter? He has no problem when the races were reversed. Even insulted London's mayor. But now he's silent. Just shows how hypocritical you conservatives truly are.

I don't know why, but I tell you this: conservatives are no more hypocritical than liberals.

Look at proof in this very thread. If this scenario was yet another of the many terror attacks committed by Muslims and my first reply was "I wonder how (insert name of liberal poster) is going to react and judge this or if they will just be hypocrites" people would immediately pounce on me for it.

But because you are a liberal who bashes Trump it's okay. I mean literally none of the usual suspects who would of jumped on me for doing it have opened their mouths about it lol. I'm sure the excuse will be they just didn't see it, but I'm hoping someone actually tries to defend it.

LOL. So you Clearly haven't read my many posts on the causes of Islamic terror. Its not that I'm a hypocrite. You're just myopic.

And again, What is your boy, Trumpster fire, saying about this attack? Because he was running his Twitter fingers hard about the last one.

Originally posted by Lestov16
LOL. So you Clearly haven't read my many posts on the causes of Islamic terror. Its not that I'm a hypocrite. You're just myopic.

You aren't the hypocrite in this thread, the other posters are. You're just the douche that tried to derail this with a provocative post. That's kinda where the hypocrisy of the others comes in, if I behaved the same way as you the response would be different. But because you bashed Trump and more importantly because you bashed me, it's acceptable.



He is saying nothing as far as I know, I don't control Donald Trump. Though I find it funny people whine when he doesn't rush to condemn this, but when it's a Muslim blowing themselves up we just aren't supposed to mention the radical Islam aspect of it.

And yet, when the Virginia shooting happened and there was a topic and I bring up that the guy had specifically asked if the ball players were democrats or republicans before the shooting? I'm called a piece of shit.

Originally posted by Surtur


It's funny you didn't condemn this person for this, but you're giving me a "Wow!".


Perhaps because he's not Hate mongering on an entire community right after they've just suffered a terrorist attack?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Perhaps because he's not Hate mongering on an entire community right after they've just suffered a terrorist attack?

But he was taking a shot at a stranger online right after a terror attack was suffered. That was his first priority.

So sorry, your excuse doesn't hold up. You're just a hypocrite then. It would have been better to just claim you never saw the post.

Originally posted by Surtur
But he was taking a shot at a stranger online right after a terror attack was suffered. That was his first priority.

So sorry, your excuse doesn't hold up. You're just a hypocrite then. It would have been better to just claim you never saw the post.


Urm excuse me. Have you just got your head in the sand or something. You're the same guy who every time there's a terrorist attack sarcastically shouts out #NotAllMuslims before even showing ANY sympathy for the victims at all.


Again I get hat you're butthurt every time an attack doesn't fit into your HateMuslims and their Religion agenda. But those of us who care are just fed up of all the hate mongering started by guys like you that eventually lead to these killings.

So yeah you accusing me of not having a moral high ground is frankly laughable.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Uchiha_Macho is that same troll who keeps making accounts here, saying ****ed up shit and getting banned. I've mentioned before that he was originally a user named Intrepid in the Star Wars section of the forum who got banned, then made hundreds of consecutive accounts to harass me and other people as well as repeatedly spamming porn. Bada will hit him with the ban hammer soon, don't waste your time on him. No one cares who he is my friend.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
feminist frequency for claiming violence against political opponents is a necessity Can you cite this claim in particular? Whatever else you want to say about Sarkeesian, she has been very consistent in her promotion of nonviolence in pretty much any medium or IRL.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Umm...have you read the Bible? You think the Quran is the only scripture with violence in it? So you think torturing a Jew to death in the Koran means the entirety of Islam is evil, but stoning gays to death and enslaving rival tribes in the Bible doesn't mean Christianity is bad....

You are the EPITOME of hypocrisy...or ignorance...or both.... Surtur hates just about all religions, actually.

You have this bad habit where you leap to conclusions about people's viewpoints without having all the facts my son. Surtur, for all his faults, has been fairly consistent in his condemnation of religion as a whole. His sights aren't targeted on Christians because most Christians are fake Christians (like dmb), and there are comparatively fewer fake Muslims, at least from his point of view.

I find it funny that SJW's have now become the staunchest defenders of religion in wake of the constant terror attacks made by muslims in Europe. It's ironic that they've escaped religious bigotry from their society in order to adopt perhaps an even more extreme culture of zealously.

Wow... the amount of partisanship in here is cancerous

The guy is a scumbag, period.
Why is this hard for anyone?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Wow... the amount of partisanship in here is cancerous
dur

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
dur It's telling that you edited my post, because you realize you are attacking me for agreeing with your talking point? Do you understand that?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
It's telling that you edited my post, because you realize you are attacking me for agreeing with your talking point? Do you understand that?

I edited to the part I commented on to highlight hypocrisy dur

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I edited to the part I commented on to highlight hypocrisy dur please explain how that is hypocritical?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
please explain how that is hypocritical?

dur

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
dur I'm guessing you can't?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
I'm guessing you can't?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
please explain how that is hypocritical?


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16077545&highlight=userid%3A148564#post16077545

dur

So still no answer? It's ok

I thought this was a thread about the London terror attack, my bad.

Can someone point me to the thread that is actually about the attack? I'd like to offer my condolences and praise the Imam for his actions.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Urm excuse me. Have you just got your head in the sand or something. You're the same guy who every time there's a terrorist attack sarcastically shouts out #NotAllMuslims before even showing ANY sympathy for the victims at all.

Uh dude, accusations like what you just said are why I'm bringing this up. You run your mouth when you think I'm doing what you just said. But someone else does it? Silence reigns. So I do not not want to hear *any* whining from you in the future about making assumptions, derailing,etc.. You are done with that.



Lol so just to be clear, it's okay for you to be "fed up" with the "hate mongering" but if people express they are fed up with Muslim extremist attacks you throw a b*tch fit and begin talking about white supremacy.



Here is the thing: you never actually had any moral high ground here. You had the illusion of it, but now that is gone because of your hypocrisy. You shattered your own illusion.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No one cares who he is my friend.
I'm just warning you guys not to waste your time and energy on a known troll who'll be banned soon.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Can you cite this claim in particular? Whatever else you want to say about Sarkeesian, she has been very consistent in her promotion of nonviolence in pretty much any medium or IRL.
****! I meant Everyday Feminism, apologies for misrepresenting Anita Sarkeesian even though I heavily disagree with her views and behavior, got Everyday Feminism and Feminist Frequency mixed up in my head.
Originally posted by NemeBro
His sights aren't targeted on Christians because most Christians are fake Christians (like dmb),
I prefer to view it as I'm a Christian with a strong faith in the core values of Christianity, in the example of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity and I reject the parts of say the bible for example that contradict those core values, but call it whatever you want I guess.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Everyday Feminism and Feminist Frequencymy broadsheets.

A white man drives into a group of Muslim worshipers near a mosque. Almost immediately everyone calls this a terror attack. A Muslim man nearly does the same thing in an attempted suicide car-bomb attack and it takes over a day for the words "terror attack" to even be mentioned in a whisper by the media. Whatever fits the narrative.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
So still no answer? It's ok

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Wow... the amount of partisanship in here is cancerous


Originally posted by Henry_Pym
please explain how that is hypocritical?


Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Is there even a shred of evidence that the Quebec terrorist was a Trump fan or are the KMC Nazi patrol just this delusional that they are on Soviet level whataboutery?

dur

Originally posted by Surtur
Uh dude, accusations like what you just said are why I'm bringing this up. You run your mouth when you think I'm doing what you just said. But someone else does it? Silence reigns. So I do not not want to hear *any* whining from you in the future about making assumptions, derailing,etc.. You are done with that.



Lol so just to be clear, it's okay for you to be "fed up" with the "hate mongering" but if people express they are fed up with Muslim extremist attacks you throw a b*tch fit and begin talking about white supremacy.



Here is the thing: you never actually had any moral high ground here. You had the illusion of it, but now that is gone because of your hypocrisy. You shattered your own illusion.

The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance. If you truly cared about stopping Islamic terror, you would realize that Islamic terror, just like all other terror attacks, gang attacks, racism, and pretty much all atrocties throughout history, including this one, is not caused by any inherent concepts of ideologies, but rather a mixture of PERSONAL embitterment and/or SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the ideology by the practitioner. Some violent people just have violent tendencies. Some may have had
actual or perceived traumatic backgrounds that caused embitterment. Some grow up in conditions where either harsh Darwinist living and/or casual human rights violations are the norm of societal conditions.

The thing is that anybody with violent intentions can twist an ideology to justify their violence. Its clear in passages of the Bible and Koran that both were used during antiquity as tools for conquest and oppression. The cure for this is compassion and understanding in order to separate those who want peace from those who are violent. The problem is that you support Trump, who does the opposite of this by dehumanizing the entire "horrid" religion of Islam and then funding the violence with $118 billion.

Also, you ignore the embitterment that Muslims obviously have considering we're continuing to wage violence in their countries. What do you think happens to the children and loved ones of innocents who die in U.S. airstrikes? Radical warlords and terrorists use religion as a tool of power to promise revenge for these traumatized people, who in turn use religion as a tool for their embitterment. How do you think Ayatollah Khoemini overthrew Iran. He used Islam as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by the atrocities of the Shah. This is how all violent ideologies thrive. Gangs use this method, using the ideology of gang identity rather than religion as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by poverty. Hitler used this method to rule Nazi Germany. Buddhists are becoming terrorists. As Phillip Zambardo stated, the cause of evil comes from a mix of dispositional, situational, and systemic conditions.

You want to stop the effect of Islamic terror but you refuse to see the complex cause, ignoring it and going with the false but more simplistic belief that the entire religion is inherently evil. If you did see the complex cause, you would become pissed not at the Islamic religion (whose peaceful practioners are constantly marching against, fighting, and being attacked by terrorists and human rights violating regimes) but at the people funding the radicals who use Islam as a tool of oppression and terrorism, AKA Trump (the guy you voted for) giving billions to the most powerful radical Islamic state on the planet (whose terrorists committed 9/11, the ultimate Islamic terror attack) despite his Islamophobic scaremongering (which has scared his dumbass supporters into viewing the entire religion as "horrid", meaning that they're cowards whom the terrorists managed to successfully terrorize) which creates Anti-Western embitterment that allows radicals to keep recruiting and a distrust of secular values, which keeps the religion from progressing.

Its horrifically devious how ignorant Islamic radicals are funded and wise moderates (such as the thousands who marched against ISIS just recently, or the imam, whose "horrid religion", caused him to protect Osborne during his arrest) are silenced. Both the warlords and dictators of third world countries that primarily produce and the greedy plutocratic politicians of first world countries that primarily consume are able to profit from the needless competitive tribalism, no matter the cost of the lives and livelihoods of the millions of innocent victims, as the fear is used to spread ignorance in order to demand unquestioning blind loyalty and obedience from their constituencies. The Saudis, ISIS, and Trump are clearly doing this, and yet you chose to ignore it.

And while you can argue that all prior presidents did this, the argument for Trump's candidacy was that he was unlike any of the past president due to his inexperience (aka INCOMPETENCE) with politics and his wealth meaning he wouldn't have a need to be a plutocratic politician and would take the right steps to stop radical Islam. These arguments turned out to be absolute bullshit. And yet you fail to hold either him or yourself accountable for buying his bullshit, which makes you look like the ultimate foolish pawn.

So quite simply, Surt, every time you attack Islam as "horrid", yet don't attack Trump even harder, you show a, well, deplorable amount of hypocrisy and ignorance.

And Again, if you think it's just Islam that incites violence, look at this attack. Any ideology can become "horrid" if the person wants it to be. If you want to stop future attacks like the Finsbury Park attack, you need to understand this.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance. If you truly cared about stopping Islamic terror, you would realize that Islamic terror, just like all other terror attacks, gang attacks, racism, and pretty much all atrocties throughout history, including this one, is not caused by any inherent concepts of ideologies, but rather a mixture of PERSONAL embitterment and/or SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the ideology by the practitioner. Some violent people just have violent tendencies. Some may have had
actual or perceived traumatic backgrounds that caused embitterment. Some grow up in conditions where either harsh Darwinist living and/or casual human rights violations are the norm of societal conditions.

The thing is that anybody with violent intentions can twist an ideology to justify their violence. Its clear in passages of the Bible and Koran that both were used during antiquity as tools for conquest and oppression. The cure for this is compassion and understanding in order to separate those who want peace from those who are violent. The problem is that you support Trump, who does the opposite of this by dehumanizing the entire "horrid" religion of Islam and then funding the violence with $118 billion.

Also, you ignore the embitterment that Muslims obviously have considering we're continuing to wage violence in their countries. What do you think happens to the children and loved ones of innocents who die in U.S. airstrikes? Radical warlords and terrorists use religion as a tool of power to promise revenge for these traumatized people, who in turn use religion as a tool for their embitterment. How do you think Ayatollah Khoemini overthrew Iran. He used Islam as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by the atrocities of the Shah. This is how all violent ideologies thrive. Gangs use this method, using the ideology of gang identity rather than religion as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by poverty. Hitler used this method to rule Nazi Germany. Buddhists are becoming terrorists. As Phillip Zambardo stated, the cause of evil comes from a mix of dispositional, situational, and systemic conditions.

You want to stop the effect of Islamic terror but you refuse to see the complex cause, ignoring it and going with the false but more simplistic belief that the entire religion is inherently evil. If you did see the complex cause, you would become pissed not at the Islamic religion (whose peaceful practioners are constantly marching against, fighting, and being attacked by terrorists and human rights violating regimes) but at the people funding the radicals who use Islam as a tool of oppression and terrorism, AKA Trump (the guy you voted for) giving billions to the most powerful radical Islamic state on the planet (whose terrorists committed 9/11, the ultimate Islamic terror attack) despite his Islamophobic scaremongering (which has scared his dumbass supporters into viewing the entire religion as "horrid", meaning that they're cowards whom the terrorists managed to successfully terrorize) which creates Anti-Western embitterment that allows radicals to keep recruiting and a distrust of secular values, which keeps the religion from progressing.

Its horrifically devious how ignorant Islamic radicals are funded and wise moderates (such as the thousands who marched against ISIS just recently, or the imam, whose "horrid religion", caused him to protect Osborne during his arrest) are silenced. Both the warlords and dictators of third world countries that primarily produce and the greedy plutocratic politicians of first world countries that primarily consume are able to profit from the needless competitive tribalism, no matter the cost of the lives and livelihoods of the millions of innocent victims, as the fear is used to spread ignorance in order to demand unquestioning blind loyalty and obedience from their constituencies. The Saudis, ISIS, and Trump are clearly doing this, and yet you chose to ignore it.

And while you can argue that all prior presidents did this, the argument for Trump's candidacy was that he was unlike any of the past president due to his inexperience (aka INCOMPETENCE) with politics and his wealth meaning he wouldn't have a need to be a plutocratic politician and would take the right steps to stop radical Islam. These arguments turned out to be absolute bullshit. And yet you fail to hold either him or yourself accountable for buying his bullshit, which makes you look like the ultimate foolish pawn.

So quite simply, Surt, every time you attack Islam as "horrid", yet don't attack Trump even harder, you show a, well, deplorable amount of hypocrisy and ignorance.

And Again, if you think it's just Islam that incites violence, look at this attack. Any ideology can become "horrid" if the person wants it to be. If you want to stop future attacks like the Finsbury Park attack, you need to understand this. Good Post

Surt just got caked and baked. Too bad he won't learn anything.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Surt just got caked and baked. Too bad he won't learn anything. Thing is the Alt-right guys on here, keep getting caked and baked. They never learn, none of them. I don't think they even really get how abhorrent what they support is Beni.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance.

Pot, kettle, black.



I'm sorry, but no. These attacks are NOT like other attacks. Look at the way they are treated by everyone. Nobody is afraid to say it's a gang banger when a gang banger shoots someone. So I find most of what you just said to be wrong



Okay just stop. Stop acting like people are saying Muslims are the only ones who commit acts of violence. Nobody does. Stop bringing up the bible, people aren't currently using it to blow themselves and other people up. It makes you look silly every time you bring up Christianity in comparison to Islamic terrorism.

Then this stupid stuff about the $118 billion deal which was started by the Obama administration and something I said I don't even agree with. I don't have to agree with everything Trump says.



Nobody ignores it, they just do not see it as remotely coming close to a justification for strapping bombs to children.



You refuse to see the impact Islam has on this. You're blind to it. Stop with the "it's a complex issue" nonsense. There are multiple factors, but Islam is at the root of this stuff and there isn't anything truly complex about that and you can't even admit it. That is the issue, that is why this is not the same as some gang banger. You keep proving my point with you responses.



I said I didn't agree with the deal, but you're using it to deflect from the topic. This isn't about Trump. We can talk about it if you truly want, but it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.



Er, even if the argument was bullshit it doesn't change the fact other presidents did it, nor does it make it somehow worse. But okay Trump lied, that's a bad thing to do.



So every time I denounce a terror attack I have to throw in a quip about Trump as well? How little faith you must have in your arguments if you need to resort to that.

Especially with your own hypocrisy here, it's mind boggling to see you type out a novel about someone else's ignorance. I'm sorry, but you are the type of person that worries me. The type who tries to ignore the elephant in the room with the huge bomb strapped to it's back.



Okay so more BS, again: do you have so little faith in your argument you resort to this? Because nobody said only Islam incites violence lol. Not a single person. It's getting talked about because currently we are seeing a lot of terror attacks from Muslims.

I mean you and I have literally had discussions in the past about gang violence, and all that. Discussions where you said rap music incited violence. I disagreed and cited other factors I think incite gang violence. We could not have had that conversation if I thought only Islam incited violence. So again: why the BS? Don't say shit you know isn't true.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Thing is the Alt-right guys on here, keep getting caked and baked. They never learn, none of them. I don't think they even really get how abhorrent what they support is Beni.

Lol okay Steve I'm going to explain something to you. I know you are the resident cheerleader now, but just because you come in and say "you were caked and baked" does not really mean anything.

It's almost like a person throwing out accusations of racism or sexism in an attempt to end a conversation.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Thing is the Alt-right guys on here, keep getting caked and baked. They never learn, none of them. I don't think they even really get how abhorrent what they support is Beni.

^

LoL, Stevie Z just served all the Alt-Righters

You guys want some privacy?

Instead of being a vitriol spitting hypocrite, Surt. What don't you really read what Lestov tried to imbue onto you and change yourself for the better.

Originally posted by Robtard
Instead of being a vitriol spitting hypocrite, Surt. What don't you really read what Lestov tried to imbue onto you and change yourself for the better.

Lol dude it worries me if you think Lestov just dropped a bunch of wisdom. He didn't. You straight up ignored some of the bullshit, I don't know why, but okay.

Also you calling others hypocrites is also highly comical.

EDIT: Oh the page turned, was it planned?!

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol dude it worries me if you think Lestov just dropped a bunch of wisdom. He didn't. You straight up ignored some of the bullshit, I don't know why, but okay.

Also you calling others hypocrites is also highly comical.

EDIT: Oh the page turned, was it planned?!
#triggered

Originally posted by Robtard
#triggered

No not triggered, just wondering why a post with strawmans and lies is something a person should want to imbue themselves with.

Originally posted by Robtard
#triggered

He is very triggered, but then he usually is.

Originally posted by Surtur

Nobody ignores it, they just do not see it as remotely coming close to a justification for strapping bombs to children.



Let me ask you something Surt. What's the best kind of fiction? Shallow tales of good guys and bad guys, or complex tales of character? Its obviously the latter, and that's because the latter is more true. People are complex and it is their subjective interpretation of the events and concepts of life that defines their behavior.

There is no religious book on planet Earth that can completely control ones behavior, which you claim the horrid religion of Islam does. If people are willing to do horrible things, there is a mix of situational, dispositional, and systemic factors involved.

I always figured you as smart, and as such I thought that you would have heard of the Millgram and Stanford experiments, which pretty much are explaining the things I'm trying to tell you. Clearly you either haven't or you're not smart enough to associate those experiments with the violence of our world. Probably why you voted for a terrorist funding idiot who doesn't know shit about the countries whose heads of state he's meeting and hasn't said JACK SHIT about this attack.

Also, if you don't think seeing your loved one die from an air strike can motivate you to become a suicidal extremist, you clearly have no understanding of the human psyche.

Surt be tryin to fight back, but his (lack) of intellect is showing.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Let me ask you something Surt. What's the best kind of fiction? Shallow tales of good guys and bad guys, or complex tales of character? Its obviously the latter, and that's because the latter is more true. People are complex and it is their subjective interpretation of the events and concepts of life that defines their behavior.

There is no religious book on planet Earth that can completely control ones behavior, which you claim the horrid religion of Islam does. If people are willing to do horrible things, there is a mix of situational, dispositional, and systemic factors involved.

I always figured you as smart, and as such I thought that you would have heard of the Millgram and Stanford experiments, which pretty much are explaining the things I'm trying to tell you. Clearly you either haven't or you're not smart enough to associate those experiments with the violence of our world. Probably why you voted for a terrorist funding idiot who doesn't know shit about the countries whose heads of state he's meeting and hasn't said JACK SHIT about this attack.

Also, if you don't think seeing your loved one die from an air strike can motivate you to become a suicidal extremist, you clearly have no understanding of the human psyche.

You keep making excuses. All the while acting like your are intellectually superior when your posts betray otherwise. Did you think if typed a long enough reply it would make more sense?

Stop with the bullshit. You use strawmans, hypocrisy, and lies in your arguments. Most of the very few posters here agreeing with you would agree with mostly anyone talking shit about me, but you and I know the truth, don't we? Since we've had long discussions before and I know your behavior and the tactics you use. So just remember: take an pats on the back here with a grain of salt.

One reason I can't take you seriously is because of the lies and strawmans you pull. Which gives you no room to talk shit about others. You like to run around calling me a hypocrite, but are shockingly silent about other hypocrites that happen to swing to the side of liberals. Is that on purpose or are you naive enough to think they aren't hypocrites?

You didnt address a thing in my post. Have you heard of the Millgram and Stanford experiments?

Also, that post of yours is just one giant hilarious block of failed ad hominems. Mark of someone who has lost a debate

he mad.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Surt be tryin to fight back, but his (lack) of intellect is showing.

and the strength of Lestov's arguments.. and the lack of Surt's intellect

Originally posted by Lestov16
You didnt address a thing in my post. Have you heard of the Millgram and Stanford experiments?

Also, that post of yours is just one giant hilarious block of failed ad hominems. Mark of someone who has lost a debate

So wait, you just said this with a straight face? After coming at someone with strawmans and lies, you said this? Truly? I mean I know the people patting you on the back conveniently ignored those, but did you expect me to do so? They might be here to cuck for you, but I am not, so that will not be happening, okay?

But let me guess, your strawmans and lies are, for some magical reason, not the mark of someone who has lost? Right Lest, it's different?

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
and the strength of Lestov's arguments.. and the lack of Surt's intellect

Okay again just to be clear Steve: you can cheer all you want, but it doesn't actually alter reality. Cheer leading about someone being caked and baked or their intellect is just that: cheerleading.

HAVE.YOU.HEARD.OF.THE.MILLGRAM.OR.STANFORD.EXPERIMENTS? Are you going to dodge this question for a third time?

Originally posted by Lestov16
HAVE.YOU.HEARD.OF.THE.MILLGRAM.OR.STANFORD.EXPERIMENTS? Are you going to dodge this question for a third time?

You see I was kinda hoping, by repeating it MULTIPLE TIMES you would comment on your bullshit strawman tactics.

EDIT: Though yep lol, heard of them, and before you even try: nope, they don't prove anything you're trying to say.

Originally posted by Lestov16
HAVE.YOU.HEARD.OF.THE.MILLGRAM.OR.STANFORD.EXPERIMENTS? Are you going to dodge this question for a third time? Are you making an assumption that this experiment would yield the same results without the pressure of the one on one element? That variable seems far higher than the authority pressure variable.

At least in my humble opinion.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay again just to be clear Steve: you can cheer all you want, but it doesn't actually alter reality. Cheer leading about someone being caked and baked or their intellect is just that: cheerleading. #triggered #cakedandbaked

Originally posted by Lestov16
The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance. If you truly cared about stopping Islamic terror, you would realize that Islamic terror, just like all other terror attacks, gang attacks, racism, and pretty much all atrocties throughout history, including this one, is not caused by any inherent concepts of ideologies, but rather a mixture of PERSONAL embitterment and/or SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the ideology by the practitioner. Some violent people just have violent tendencies. Some may have had
actual or perceived traumatic backgrounds that caused embitterment. Some grow up in conditions where either harsh Darwinist living and/or casual human rights violations are the norm of societal conditions.

The thing is that anybody with violent intentions can twist an ideology to justify their violence. Its clear in passages of the Bible and Koran that both were used during antiquity as tools for conquest and oppression. The cure for this is compassion and understanding in order to separate those who want peace from those who are violent. The problem is that you support Trump, who does the opposite of this by dehumanizing the entire "horrid" religion of Islam and then funding the violence with $118 billion.

Also, you ignore the embitterment that Muslims obviously have considering we're continuing to wage violence in their countries. What do you think happens to the children and loved ones of innocents who die in U.S. airstrikes? Radical warlords and terrorists use religion as a tool of power to promise revenge for these traumatized people, who in turn use religion as a tool for their embitterment. How do you think Ayatollah Khoemini overthrew Iran. He used Islam as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by the atrocities of the Shah. This is how all violent ideologies thrive. Gangs use this method, using the ideology of gang identity rather than religion as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by poverty. Hitler used this method to rule Nazi Germany. Buddhists are becoming terrorists. As Phillip Zambardo stated, the cause of evil comes from a mix of dispositional, situational, and systemic conditions.

You want to stop the effect of Islamic terror but you refuse to see the complex cause, ignoring it and going with the false but more simplistic belief that the entire religion is inherently evil. If you did see the complex cause, you would become pissed not at the Islamic religion (whose peaceful practioners are constantly marching against, fighting, and being attacked by terrorists and human rights violating regimes) but at the people funding the radicals who use Islam as a tool of oppression and terrorism, AKA Trump (the guy you voted for) giving billions to the most powerful radical Islamic state on the planet (whose terrorists committed 9/11, the ultimate Islamic terror attack) despite his Islamophobic scaremongering (which has scared his dumbass supporters into viewing the entire religion as "horrid", meaning that they're cowards whom the terrorists managed to successfully terrorize) which creates Anti-Western embitterment that allows radicals to keep recruiting and a distrust of secular values, which keeps the religion from progressing.

Its horrifically devious how ignorant Islamic radicals are funded and wise moderates (such as the thousands who marched against ISIS just recently, or the imam, whose "horrid religion", caused him to protect Osborne during his arrest) are silenced. Both the warlords and dictators of third world countries that primarily produce and the greedy plutocratic politicians of first world countries that primarily consume are able to profit from the needless competitive tribalism, no matter the cost of the lives and livelihoods of the millions of innocent victims, as the fear is used to spread ignorance in order to demand unquestioning blind loyalty and obedience from their constituencies. The Saudis, ISIS, and Trump are clearly doing this, and yet you chose to ignore it.

And while you can argue that all prior presidents did this, the argument for Trump's candidacy was that he was unlike any of the past president due to his inexperience (aka INCOMPETENCE) with politics and his wealth meaning he wouldn't have a need to be a plutocratic politician and would take the right steps to stop radical Islam. These arguments turned out to be absolute bullshit. And yet you fail to hold either him or yourself accountable for buying his bullshit, which makes you look like the ultimate foolish pawn.

So quite simply, Surt, every time you attack Islam as "horrid", yet don't attack Trump even harder, you show a, well, deplorable amount of hypocrisy and ignorance.

And Again, if you think it's just Islam that incites violence, look at this attack. Any ideology can become "horrid" if the person wants it to be. If you want to stop future attacks like the Finsbury Park attack, you need to understand this.


Complete ownage.


Originally posted by Robtard
Instead of being a vitriol spitting hypocrite, Surt. What don't you really read what Lestov tried to imbue onto you and change yourself for the better.


Unfortunately the ignorant and the haters don't like or want to change for the better.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Uchiha_Macho is that same troll who keeps making accounts here, saying ****ed up shit and getting banned. I've mentioned before that he was originally a user named Intrepid in the Star Wars section of the forum


He's Intrepid? I don't remember Intrepid being so messed up.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He's Intrepid? I don't remember Intrepid being so messed up.
The dude spammed porn of somebody bleeding out their ******* and he's an admitted necrophile, pedophile, and zoophile.

Originally posted by Surtur
No not triggered, just wondering why a post with strawmans and lies is something a person should want to imbue themselves with.

Lestov's post had neither strawman arguments nor lies. You on the other hand do nothing but personally attack the poster as a form of rebuttal which shows your weakness. In the very least destroy/counter the other person's points first and then end it with an insult.

He's not going to do that Rob. He's using the classic Nazi tactic of "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty". That's what makes him hilarious. He hates Islam yet supports Terrorist Funder Trump.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He's not going to do that Rob. He's using the classic Nazi tactic of "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty". That's what makes him hilarious. He hates Islam yet supports Terrorist Funder Trump.

After visiting SA and sucking on the King's swollen anus, Trump had this to say in regards to Islam:

"One of world's great faiths." -Trump

That must sting all Trumpers.

Originally posted by Robtard
After visiting SA and sucking on the King's swollen anus, Trump had this to say in regards to Islam:

"One of world's great faiths." -Trump

That must sting all Trumpers.

reminds me of westworld. they can't even read that trump quote.

"it doesn't look like anything to me"

Bunch of Bernards

Originally posted by Robtard
After visiting SA and sucking on the King's swollen anus, Trump had this to say in regards to Islam:

"One of world's great faiths." -Trump

That must sting all Trumpers.

But..but...Islam is supposed to be horrid

Originally posted by Robtard
After visiting SA and sucking on the King's swollen anus, Trump had this to say in regards to Islam:

"One of world's great faiths." -Trump

That must sting all Trumpers.
Uh-oh, my cuck detector is going berserk.

Originally posted by Lestov16
But..but...Islam is supposed to be horrid

But...but..Trumps supposed to be an Islamaphobe! Banning Muslims and shit.

Right Lest? That's the leftist narrative. Did you wanna squash that narrative? Or you could say you believe he is an Islamaphobe, which means you think he is lying. So you were trying to get a "gotcha" with something you think to be a lie.

Or again: you don't think it's a lie and thus do not feel Trump is Islamaphobic.

see? he can't directly see or acknowledge the quote. his programming won't allow it.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
see? he can't directly see or acknowledge the quote. his programming won't allow it.

Lol what is there to acknowledge? That Trump said something positive about this horrid religion?

So Bash: Is Trump Islamaphobic?

Cuz hey if he thinks it is the bee's knee's cool, I disagree with him. That's not the liberal narrative though.

EDIT: Admittedly I'm still confused at what the "gotcha" is supposed to be. Explain it, since I never said I agree with everything Trump says. If he thought it was good and I don't then...so? Is the implication that because Trump said it is true? Is the implication he's not an Islamaphobe like we've been lead to believe? Is the implication he lying?

experiment: do you see anything after this sentence besides blank white space and my sig?


"One of world's great faiths." -Trump

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
experiment: do you see anything after this sentence besides blank white space and my sig?


"One of world's great faiths." -Trump

Yes and again I will just copy and paste this:

Admittedly I'm still confused at what the "gotcha" is supposed to be. Explain it, since I never said I agree with everything Trump says. If he thought it was good and I don't then...so? Is the implication that because Trump said it, it is true? Is the implication he's not an Islamaphobe like we've been lead to believe? Is the implication he's lying? Is the implication at one time he wasn't an Islamaphobe, but he is now?

What do you feel you're saying, besides Trump at one time said it was great? Like I said if he still feels that way okay, I disagree with him. But the narrative from your side is he is an Islamaphobe.

So I am waiting for the "gotcha". Surely it isn't that I said the religion is horrid and Trump at one point said it was great? Even you are not that desperate.

In short: what do you feel you just proved about Islam?

all that flailing and crying because Glorious Leader contradicted your narrative.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
all that flailing and crying because Glorious Leader contradicted your narrative.

Wait, so for him to contradict my narrative would mean you truly feel he isn't an Islamaphobe. Don't let your liberal pals find out you're contradicting *their* narrative.

Still struggling to see though how me disagreeing with Trump on an issue is noteworthy.

I like how Surtur's trying to turn Trump's flip-flopping, hypocrisy and blatant kowtowing to the Saudi King as some sort of loss to his dreaded "the liberals!".

Originally posted by Robtard
I like how Surtur's trying to turn Trump's flip-flopping, hypocrisy and blatant kowtowing to the Saudi King as some sort of loss to his dreaded "the liberals!".

I like how nobody has still explained why this is a "gotcha" for anyone but Trump.

I'm not trying to turn Trumps flip flops into anything. If he thinks the faith is great I disagree with him.

I think it's fair to bring up the narrative that he is Islamaphobic though. Since the only way this contradicts my narrative is if Bash believes the narrative presented by the left is wrong.

I also like how you brought up flip flopping, but it's a flip flop if the claim is now Trump isn't Islamaphobic. So did Bash seriously perhaps flip flop just to take a shot at a stranger online?

Or hell if you want to ignore the lefts narrative okay, someone still explain to me what this means as far as I, Surtur, am concerned. I never said I agree with Trump on everything. So if he disagree's with me, okay? What am I supposed to take from this other than Trump and I do not see eye to eye on everything? Which I already knew.

You've made it your standard that whenever Trump breaks a promise, flips on a stance, contradicts himself on an issue, your response is basically "meh, not an issue I cared about or voted on him for". Which I guess is the safe thing to do, especially with someone like Trump. But is it the brave thing to do?

Then again, Paul Ryan has already shown it's 'possible for a person to live a full life without a spine'.

Originally posted by Robtard
You've made it your standard that whenever Trump breaks a promise, flips on a stance, contradicts himself on an issue, your response is basically "meh, not an issue I cared about or voted on him for". Which I guess is the safe thing to do, especially with someone like Trump. But is it the brave thing to do?

Then again, Paul Ryan has already shown it's 'possible for a person to live a full life without a spine'.

So wait, it's not the brave thing to do. But lying is? Do you want me to lie? Do you want me to say a major reason I voted for Trump was to put Hilary in jail? Would that make you feel better? It won't be the truth, but it seems to be the answer you are looking for. But you also said you prefer facts over feelings lol. But you either don't or you just do not accept them when they are given because it doesn't fir your narrative.

I also said if Trump truly believes this faith is "great" then I disagree with him.

But if you're going to talk about bravery, well, what about the claims Trump is an Islamaphobe? Are those suddenly gone? It's not just one thing people point to in order to say Trump doesn't like Muslims. Not to mention the left is always calling him a liar. So I guess I'm confused as to why the assumption wasn't merely he was bullshitting with what he said in SA? Which I'm also not saying is correct, but it at least fits into the narrative that is being pushed about Trump.

So I guess I will just ask you flat out: do you believe Trump is Islamaphobic?

My thoughts are that whenever Trump talks sense, Surtur disagrees with him.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
My thoughts are that whenever Trump talks sense, Surtur disagrees with him.

No, and Trump saying it's a great faith is the complete opposite of him "talking sense".

^Like I said.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
^Like I said.

Interesting. So you do not believe Trump is Islamaphobic, correct?

I'm glad that narrative can be done away with then

i believe trump has said islamophobic things and attempted to pass islamophobic law. i also believe that trump has said some pro-islam things. probably because those are facts. but surt's one-dimensional forced narratives and tender feelz are more important than all that.

go on champ, hit me with another false dilemma.

Originally posted by Surtur
Interesting. So you do not believe Trump is Islamaphobic, correct?

I'm glad that narrative can be done away with then Nope never said that, he's either Islamaphobic himself, or sees Islamaphobia as something he can profit from, if not both.

Understand that these are not mutually exclusive with saying nice things amount Islam when diplomatically profitable, and that you only need to check dear Donald's Twitter account for a long and storied history of saying one thing and doing the other.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i believe trump has said islamophobic things and attempted to pass islamophobic law. i also believe that trump has said some pro-islam things. probably because those are facts. but surt's one-dimensional forced narratives and tender feelz are more important than all that.

go on champ, hit me with another false dilemma.

Critical thinking isn't Surt's strong suit.

Originally posted by Beniboybling


Critical thinking isn't Surt's strong suit.

Lol can you explain how what Bash just said was "critical thinking" ? He just danced around saying he was an outright Islamaphobe.

I was not asking if you believe Trump has said pro or negative. I asked if people thought he was Islamaphobic.

The answer, for Bash, is apparently no he is not. He's said some Islamaphobic things according to him, but isn't actually Islamaphobic.

Which again: totally goes against the current narrative being shoved down our throats.

Can someone explain why, if Trump apparently has said all these nice things about Islam, the left has completely ignored those things?

Originally posted by Surtur
Can someone explain why, if Trump apparently has said all these nice things about Islam, the left has completely ignored those things? What a clumsy leading question. And I'm sure what Bash understands is what I've already explained, that these positions are not mutually exclusive. But I'm sure you've already read my post, so find whatever time you need to fully comprehend it, then get back to me.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nope never said that, he's either Islamaphobic himself, or sees Islamaphobia as something he can profit from, if not both.

Understand that these are not mutually exclusive with saying nice things amount Islam when diplomatically profitable, and that you only need to check dear Donald's Twitter account for a long and storied history of saying one thing and doing the other.

I understand, and that would mean either way Trump was attempting to manipulate SA. So I agree with you, if his goal was to manipulate them then yes his praising the faith as great makes total sense.

Surely you wouldn't be of the opinion he is just saying it's great as a way to bullshit and profit and yet still claim it makes sense merely because it adheres to the narrative you believe in, even if it's not something Trump truly believes.

There is nothing you lot can't make about Trump, is there?

Do we need a new law similar to Godwin's Law to describe this?

Originally posted by jaden101
There is nothing you lot can't make about Trump, is there?

Do we need a new law similar to Godwin's Law to describe this?

Just be glad Russia hasn't entered the narrative.

Yet.

But to be fair, this is less about Trump and more about lame attempts to zing me using Trump.

I'm the first thought on some of these peoples minds, even when a terror attack happens.

Originally posted by Surtur
I understand, and that would mean either way Trump was attempting to manipulate SA. So I agree with you, if his goal was to manipulate them then yes his praising the faith as great makes total sense.

Surely you wouldn't be of the opinion he is just saying it's great as a way to bullshit and profit and yet still claim it makes sense merely because it adheres to the narrative you believe in, even if it's not something Trump truly believes. OK so it looks like we need examples:

A member of the Flat Earth Society walks up to a group of people who accept the fact that the Earth is round as says "the Earth is round" so they won't laugh at him.

The Flat Earther does not believe the Earth is round, he is just trying to save face, but what he has said is still true and sense making.

Do you understand now?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
OK so it looks like we need examples:

A member of the Flat Earth Society walks up to a group of people who accept the fact that the Earth is round as says "the Earth is round" so they won't laugh at him.

The Flat Earther does not believe the Earth is round, he is just trying to save face, but what he has said is still true and sense making.

Do you understand now?

I understood even before that, what I'm saying is it's stupid bullshit. At least in your example the people would have no way of knowing the guy doesn't believe it's round. If they knew he didn't think it was round there is no reason to announce he "makes sense" because they ALL already believe the Earth is round. Also holy shit the earth being round is a FACT. We are in the realm of opinions with this.

But this essentially boils down to "Trump said something I most likely do not feel he truly believes, but I'll use it to claim he is finally 'making sense' now anyways because it fits my narrative".

Can you phrase it in a way that doesn't make you sound like you're grasping at straws? Thanks

PS: Use better examples in the future too, this one was stupid.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just be glad Russia hasn't entered the narrative.

Yet.

But to be fair, this is less about Trump and more about lame attempts to zing me using Trump.

I'm the first thought on some of these peoples minds, even when a terror attack happens.

Check you, NuQuan. 😂