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Would Frieza make a good God of Destruction?

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He beat Vegeta by blowing up the Earth, and made Beerus undo it.

So yeah. How many planets has Beerus even destroyed lately?

Frieza would be such a tyrant he'd make Beerus look like a cake walk. Beerus has a temper but he's got a good sense of duty also. I feel like Frieza would just rip into the universe.

No, he'd make a terrible god of destruction. But it'd nonetheless be good writing if he maneuvered himself into becoming one as a result of the tournament.

He'd make a terrible God of Destruction but I mean, Kaoishin makes a terrible God of Creation so it would even out. The last remaining 28 planets of life would be gone

Terrible.

We now know part of a god of destruction's role is to destroy the "weak" planets/mortals.

Frieza tends more to destroy stronger races that he fears has potential. He likes to rule over weaker beings. So with Frieza as GoD, you would likely end up with an even weaker universe.

If we are talking strength-wise, he would still be terrible. As strong as he is, right now he is nowhere near Beerus/Champa, and presumably other GoDs.

Well, Toriyama did say that Freeza will never catch up with Beerus, no matter how much he trains.

Oh yeah, training for four months to leap from base SSJ to SSJ Blue+, and never getting stronger then anyone else ever makes perfect sense.

Didn't he say the same thing about Beerus? And here we have someone even stronger then him fighting in the tournament, meaning Goku will need to do something to beat him..

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh yeah, training for four months to leap from base SSJ to SSJ Blue+, and never getting stronger then anyone else ever makes perfect sense.

Didn't he say the same thing about Beerus? And here we have someone even stronger then him fighting in the tournament, meaning Goku will need to do something to beat him..

I just know he said Freeza can never catch up with Beerus no matter what and said that he doesn't have intentions of Goku catching up with Beerus anytime soon (so for Goku there is potential to catch up with Beerus... but we know there is a really a huge gap between Goku and Beerus).

Freeza also struggled and was clearly exhausted with Sidra energy, an energy Sidra created with completely no effort. There is also a huge between Freeza and Sidra.

So let us see if Whis words were really true.

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh yeah, training for four months to leap from base SSJ to SSJ Blue+, and never getting stronger then anyone else ever makes perfect sense.

Didn't he say the same thing about Beerus? And here we have someone even stronger then him fighting in the tournament, meaning Goku will need to do something to beat him.. Trying to think. Is the frieza thing the biggest jump in power in the shortest time?

I know
Goku going from raditz to vegeta was a massive jump as well. Wasn't goku at a power level of 300 and he maxed at 20000 against vegeta?

Then from 20,000 to 180,000 a week later on namek. Than the ginyu /vegeta beatdown put him somewhere near the million mark before the ssj transformation.


I think the weakest jump goku ever had was the three years training for the androids

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Trying to think. Is the frieza thing the biggest jump in power in the shortest time? Yes, by far.

With just 4 months of self-training, Freeza jumped from decisively below n00b-SSJ-level(and remember, he was even weaker than that when first resurrected), to nearly SSB/God-level. Heck, even when the Z Fighters sensed the power of Freeza's post-training base form, they acted like it was the most powerful ki they had EVER sensed.

Suffice to say: the gains Freeza made in that 4 months are so far above any other character in the series that it's hard to even fathom. And remember: he made those gains solely on his own -- he didn't receive external amps/boosts like Mystic Gohan and SSG Goku did.



*As for this thread: Freeza would make a TERRIBLE God of Destruction. That role is all about balance... As irrational as Beerus can come off at times, he still seems to comprehend that on some level(Whis certainly does.) Freeza wouldn't care about balance -- his only goal(s) would be to enslave the universe/multiverse... Or destroy it. The only thing that might prevent Freeza from doing so is if he, like Beerus, also had a 'keeper' more powerful than himself who could intervene when need be.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, by far.

With just 4 months of self-training, Freeza jumped from decisively below n00b-SSJ-level(and remember, he was even weaker than that when first resurrected), to nearly SSB/God-level. Heck, even when the Z Fighters sensed the power of Freeza's post-training base form, they acted like it was the most powerful ki they had EVER sensed.

Suffice to say: the gains Freeza made in that 4 months are so far above any other character in the series that it's hard to even fathom. And remember: he made those gains solely on his own -- he didn't receive external amps/boosts like Mystic Gohan and SSG Goku did.



*As for this thread: Freeza would make a TERRIBLE God of Destruction. That role is all about balance... As irrational as Beerus can come off at times, he still seems to comprehend that on some level(Whis certainly does.) Freeza wouldn't care about balance -- his only goal(s) would be to enslave the universe/multiverse... Or destroy it. The only thing that might prevent Freeza from doing so is if he, like Beerus, also had a 'keeper' more powerful than himself who could intervene when need be. True but Just trying to think. In the time between the raditz fight and the namek fight (a little over a year ) goku went from a power level of 350 - over a million. That multiplier is insane when you actually don't pay attention to the episode standard and just to the time thats stated. Even if you count the jump frieza made percentage wise im not sure its that wide.

Percentage-wise, it's still nowhere near jumping from a PL <12m, to a PL that is in the God-tier. Moreover, Freeza doesn't receive zankais from battle/training like the Saiyans did, yet he still managed a gain THAT substantial in 4-effing-months.

Hard to even wrap your head around something like that, when nothing in the franchise even approaches it.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
True but Just trying to think. In the time between the raditz fight and the namek fight (a little over a year ) goku went from a power level of 350 - over a million. That multiplier is insane when you actually don't pay attention to the episode standard and just to the time thats stated. Even if you count the jump frieza made percentage wise im not sure its that wide.

Yep...within a 2 yr gap, his power level went from 300 to the trillions. Vegeta as well. His rage amp took him from super Saiyan 2 levels to having power that far exceeds Super Saiyan 3.

Originally posted by Galan007
Percentage-wise, it's still nowhere near jumping from a PL <12m, to a PL that is in the God-tier. Moreover, Freeza doesn't receive zankais from battle/training like the Saiyans did, yet he still managed a gain THAT substantial in 4-effing-months.

Hard to even wrap your head around something like that, when nothing in the franchise even approaches it. Specially seeing how in four months he jumped higher than a power that took Goku 12 years to achieve after, with Zenkai and constant training abandoning his family. I mean sure, 32,000 at max in Saiyan Saga to 150 million is a big jump but not anywhere near what freeza did. And after that we really don't know how big his jumps go.

Talking about destruction... what Black did Freeza can only dream of. And now even in manga it seems Black is becoming a real deal.

Do we have an actual canon power multiplier for Gold form?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
True but Just trying to think. In the time between the raditz fight and the namek fight (a little over a year ) goku went from a power level of 350 - over a million. That multiplier is insane when you actually don't pay attention to the episode standard and just to the time thats stated. Even if you count the jump frieza made percentage wise im not sure its that wide.

Goku's power at rest was at 350, but when he was charging his kamehameha it jumped to the thousands. If I remember right, He also took a significant jump just from taking off his weighted t-shirt. Powerlevels are inaccurate, especially with earthlings

Originally posted by Inedian
Talking about destruction... what Black did Freeza can only dream of.

What, get beat up by Vegeta?

Vegeta and Goku became > Black.

What is that gold form anyways?

Freeza's other transformation are permenant, in the sense he can't be knocked out of it or expend any effort maintaining them. While the Gold form was treated more like a conventional SSJ upgrade, dropping off when he became exausted..

It's unusual for him, considering how his transfomations are usually treated.

Where is this so called Toriyama interview where he confirms no one will surpass Beerus from the cast?

Maybe the same interview where he said Goku will never beat Superman.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Where is this so called Toriyama interview where he confirms no one will surpass Beerus from the cast?
I used to see it posted before though harder to find it now, but all Toriyama said basically was that he had no plans at the time for them to surpass Beerus and Whis. That could always change however, especially with how they're building up the hype with the tournament of power by mentioning some dude whose said to be stronger than all the gods of destruction...

Originally posted by Inedian
Well, Toriyama did say

Never trust Toriyama. I swear he is the biggest troll.

That or he just makes too many changes on the go which renders most of what he previously says irrelevant.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe the same interview where he said Goku will never beat Superman.

Heh heh.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I used to see it posted before though harder to find it now, but all Toriyama said basically was that he had no plans at the time for them to surpass Beerus and Whis. That could always change however, especially with how they're building up the hype with the tournament of power by mentioning some dude whose said to be stronger than all the gods of destruction...

Alright, thanks. Didnt think it was as big as it was getting made out to be.

Originally posted by cdtm
What is that gold form anyways?

Freeza's other transformation are permenant, in the sense he can't be knocked out of it or expend any effort maintaining them. While the Gold form was treated more like a conventional SSJ upgrade, dropping off when he became exausted..

It's unusual for him, considering how his transfomations are usually treated.

The gold form is the only form Frieza uses to become stronger. In the Namek Saga Frieza's "base" form was actually his Final Form. That was the form he had when he was born but since he couldn't control the power of that form he created several weaker forms and that's what he used as his normal form.

This golden form is the only time Frieza got a form to surpass his normal limitations so yeah it's very much like the SSJ transformation

Originally posted by Damborgson
Where is this so called Toriyama interview where he confirms no one will surpass Beerus from the cast? Wasn't that interview years ago? Maybe the author want this arc to be where Goku and friends are at least nearing Sidra level of power and later on, maybe surpass Beerus.

Originally posted by cdtm
What, get beat up by Vegeta?

Vegeta and Goku became > Black.

Is that why Scythe Black was beating them easily simultaneously and mocking them (and could easily kill them, but didn't so that he would again go further in power level)?

Is that why Black destroyed all gods in all 12 universes?

Is that why in the end Black was defeated by Zeno?

Is that why Black is the only villain who defeated Z warriors and won the war (and like above, them resorting to Zeno)?

What Black did is something Freeza can only dream of.

It was merged Zamasu and Black that did that. Black by himself was getting punked by Vegeta.

If Trunks Piccolo didn't screw up the Mafuba, Zamasu would have been captured and Goku/Vegeta would have finished Black off.

Originally posted by cdtm
Black by himself was getting punked by Vegeta.

Is that why moments later Scythe Black was beating them easily simultaneously and mocking them and making them useless?

Scythe Black > Vegeta and Goku as a team = facts

Originally posted by Kento
Specially seeing how in four months he jumped higher than a power that took Goku 12 years to achieve after, with Zenkai and constant training abandoning his family. I mean sure, 32,000 at max in Saiyan Saga to 150 million is a big jump but not anywhere near what freeza did. And after that we really don't know how big his jumps go.

Where PLs are concerned, all we really know is that as of BoG, Goku's base PL was still < Freeza... Which means it was still < 12m.

Granted, Goku attained 'Godhood' shortly after he initially confronted Beerus & Whis on King Kaio's world(which made PLs entirely moot anyway), but it goes to show that in the ~16 years between the Freeza saga and BoG, Goku certainly wasn't receiving natural zenkais/power-ups en gros, like he was prior to that... Even though he spent nearly every waking minute training.

Frieza's FF PL was 120 million, not 12. Your point still stands, though.

Lol, yeah sorry. Forgot the "0".

Well, we know that Beerus lied to Goku and Vegeta about his power level in the BOG arc, but it's not impossible to scale assuming he was at least consistent. For example, Beerus claimed* he needed 10% of his power to stop enraged SSJ2 Vegeta's Galick Gun, then claimed* he used 100% power when he defeated SSJG Goku. In that case, isn't it reasonable to assume that SSJG is somewhere in the general ballpark of 10x enraged SSJ2 Vegeta, who is supposed to be somewhat comparable to (but stronger than) SSJ3 Goku?

Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta is above SSJ3 Goku. But yeah, Beerus was being a lying cuck anyways.

He'd be better than Beerus that is for sure.

Frieza a better GoD than Beerus? Disagree. Beerus at least has a sense of duty as pointed out. Not the best sense mind you but certainly more than Frieza, who would phuck over his own universe and jump ship into one of the other universes if it benefited him.

BETTER AND I SAY THIS as someone who barely watches Super when there is no fighting xD

Originally posted by Zack Fair
BETTER AND I SAY THIS as someone who barely watches Super when there is no fighting xD

The Asura's Wrath cut scenes off Youtube really drive home how pathetic Super's fighting is.

They should have animated Super.