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To satisfy my own curiosity...

-Bebop & Rocksteady (IDW)-
https://s1.postimg.org/k45vdmn3j/image.jpg

+

-Commander Krang (IDW)-
https://s1.postimg.org/a84sdzhbj/image.jpg


VS.


-Wolverine-
https://s1.postimg.org/gzv7gu6b3/image.jpg

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-Gray Hulk-
https://s1.postimg.org/ln5uwcj1r/image.png
*ONLY Gray Hulk's feats are usable here.


*Fight takes place in the middle of NYC.
*Standard weaponry for each.
*No BFR.


How goes this?

Breaking that twice Earth sized asteroid should probably end this.

^ Certainly NOT his average, no matter what carver says...

He did toss a pyramid like tissue paper as well. He also stood in one spot and tanked a punch from She hulk. One punched Wonderman and over powered him. All of those showings put him above anyone here to the point of soloing.

Perhaps...

...Or perhaps you're ignorant of the characters on the other team(Krang specifically.) The tech at his disposal is quite impressive, and could certainly help bridge any physical discrepancies here.

*Btw, I made this thread under the assumption that team 2 likely *does* have the advantage(that's why I specifically put Gray Hulk on the team.) I'm more curious how well team 1 can do against them, *all* things considered.

Are the carver things actually from Gray Hulk? Traditionally, Gray Hulk was Thing-level, more or less.

Not sure which team wins, but Logan gets wrecked by bebop and rocksteady.

Originally posted by Digi
Are the carver things actually from Gray Hulk? Traditionally, Gray Hulk was Thing-level, more or less.

It was probably on the higher end of his showings, but aside from a little colorful exaggeration yeah its true.

He's also been absolutely wrecked by Ms. Marvel and chumped by Thor.

BB & RS have nutty damage soak, and despite being borderline retarded, they should be able to take down Wolverine. Kang could probably keep Hulk busy long enough solo, to make it a 3 v 1.

Aren't Bebop and Rocksteady the kinds of bricks that usually lose against Wolverine in vs threads? I know they've been impressive lately, but I have to wonder if their hides are tough enough to prevent them from being eviscerated, and if not, do they have Hulk-like healing factors to compensate and continue the fight?

Wolverine has managed to take the fight out of the Thing at least twice with either a single slash or stab. Most have agreed in another thread that Doc Samson would fare even worse than the Thing.

I think Bebop and Rocksteady would be beaten or killed in a fight with Wolverine and Grey Hulk. I'm not familiar with Krang's tech, though I'm sure it's high-end stuff. He would probably be their real challenge.

Rhino's have thick skin (Up to 5 cm, way more then six inch claws. And Rocksteady is a giant mutant rhino.) Logan's claws probably aren't long enough to do any kind of serious damage to him.

Not sure how dense a warthogs skin is, but I'd guess Bebop is about the same.

Originally posted by cdtm
Rhino's have thick skin (Up to 5 cm, way more then six inch claws. And Rocksteady is a giant mutant rhino.) Logan's claws probably aren't long enough to do any kind of serious damage to him.

Not sure how dense a warthogs skin is, but I'd guess Bebop is about the same.

Erm....

If you think 5cm is more than 6inches....You've been lied to, mate.

Whoops. Yeah, caught my mistake after I posted.

Damned metric system.

Version in the pic is early Gray Hulk, different from Fixit we know.

#galannotdoinghishomework

Originally posted by Galan007
To satisfy my own curiosity...

-Bebop & Rocksteady (IDW)-
https://s1.postimg.org/k45vdmn3j/image.jpg

+

-Commander Krang (IDW)-
https://s1.postimg.org/a84sdzhbj/image.jpg


VS.


-Wolverine-
https://s1.postimg.org/gzv7gu6b3/image.jpg

+

-Gray Hulk-
https://s1.postimg.org/ln5uwcj1r/image.png
*ONLY Gray Hulk's feats are usable here.


*Fight takes place in the middle of NYC.
*Standard weaponry for each.
*No BFR.


How goes this? lol they stopped drawing bebop as a fat slob?

They're both major threats now.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
lol they stopped drawing bebop as a fat slob? Yeah, like Stilt mentioned: they are very credible threats in IDW continuity, with insane strength/durability/damage-soak.

Aside from pummeling the shit out of the Turtles and stomping hordes of Foot Soldiers, they can also obliterate stone walls/buildings with casual punches, toss cars around like baseballs, overturn the boxcars of a train just by slamming opponents into them, etc. They've also tanked numerous types of explosions, multi-story buildings collapsing on them, high-power lasers, high-voltage electrocution, etc. etc. etc.

Where durability/damage-soak is concerned, this scene is a good indicator:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221798_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-016.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221804_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-017.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221812_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-018.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221816_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-019.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221822_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-020.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221828_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-021.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221831_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-023.jpg

Yeah, stabbing and slashing damage isn't gonna do much to them.
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312004_3640501.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312005_493507.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312006_8382812.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312007_9579528.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312008_495848.jpg

Originally posted by deathslash
Yeah, stabbing and slashing damage isn't gonna do much to them.
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312004_3640501.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312005_493507.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312006_8382812.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312007_9579528.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312008_495848.jpg
These new versions are tough. They seem to have cartoonish resistance to blunt force, and were quick to recover from electrocution. However, ninjas were able to hack and stab them just fine with ordinary steel blades. They were able to fight on, but most of the damage appears to be mostly superficial anyway.

Higher end bricks like Colossus, Thing, and Hulk would've laughed if the Hand had tried that with them, and yet Wolverine has been able to slash and stab them with his claws. Adamantium makes all the difference between flesh wounds and dismemberment.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
These new versions are tough. They seem to have cartoonish resistance to blunt force, and were quick to recover from electrocution. However, ninjas were able to hack and stab them just fine with ordinary steel blades. They were able to fight on, but most of the damage appears to be mostly superficial anyway.

Higher end bricks like Colossus, Thing, and Hulk would've laughed if the Hand had tried that with them, and yet Wolverine has been able to slash and stab them with his claws. Adamantium makes all the difference between flesh wounds and dismemberment. the scans that I posted are actually one of their first showings as mutants. It was before their level of power was clearly defined. In the fight that Galan posted, they laughed off getting shot by a minigun in addition to the turtles not doing anything with their weapons.

Originally posted by deathslash
the scans that I posted are actually one of their first showings as mutants. It was before their level of power was clearly defined. In the fight that Galan posted, they laughed off getting shot by a minigun in addition to the turtles not doing anything with their weapons.

They weren't shot by the minigun, though. They did raise their arms in defense, expecting to be hit, but the crab aimed for the building's structural supports instead. There's no visible impact on them during the barrage, and Rocksteady taunts the crab for not hitting him or Bebop.

I don't remember seeing scans of the turtles fighting them, but they're still using steel weapons, and if these turtles are anything like other versions, they're not going for the kill. Wolverine has no such qualms concerning criminals, and his claws have built up their reputation by casually slicing through just about anything not adamantium or magical.

They can slice through certain magical items, too.

Ebony Blade, Black Muramasa sword and Mjolnir being the known exceptions.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
These new versions are tough. They seem to have cartoonish resistance to blunt force, and were quick to recover from electrocution. However, ninjas were able to hack and stab them just fine with ordinary steel blades. They were able to fight on, but most of the damage appears to be mostly superficial anyway.

Higher end bricks like Colossus, Thing, and Hulk would've laughed if the Hand had tried that with them, and yet Wolverine has been able to slash and stab them with his claws. Adamantium makes all the difference between flesh wounds and dismemberment. Possibly, but to slash the bejesus out of B&R means Logan has to get very close. Certainly not saying he can't, but given the sheer damage soak/physicality of the duo + the fact that Bebop carries a huge chainsaw as standard equipment, and Rocksteady carries an equally large sledgehammer:
https://s26.postimg.org/6korp6v7t/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_039-017.jpg


*And they can use those weapons effectively enough to own the Turts, btw, so it's not like they're slow feebs with them by any means:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35281381_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_044-005.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35281385_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_044-006.jpg

That could potentially be problematic for Logan... Especially if Krang decides to throw some rockets or blaster bolts his way as well:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35281363_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_037-016.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35281370_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_037-018.jpg



Not saying Logan hasn't gone up against that type of stuff before, but those methods of attack *can* still harm to a degree if successful, so they *are* still worth mentioning here, imo. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, like Stilt mentioned: they are very credible threats in IDW continuity, with insane strength/durability/damage-soak.

Aside from pummeling the shit out of the Turtles and stomping hordes of Foot Soldiers, they can also obliterate stone walls/buildings with casual punches, toss cars around like baseballs, overturn the boxcars of a train just by slamming opponents into them, etc. They've also tanked numerous types of explosions, multi-story buildings collapsing on them, high-power lasers, high-voltage electrocution, etc. etc. etc.

Where durability/damage-soak is concerned, this scene is a good indicator:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221798_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-016.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221804_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-017.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221812_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-018.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221816_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-019.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221822_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-020.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221828_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-021.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221831_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-023.jpg Weird. Its weird seeing bebop and rocksteady as powerful. Its like shocker becoming a powerhouse

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Its like shocker becoming a powerhouse

Leave 616 Shocker alone, goddammit.

Dude went toe to toe with the Thing and was considered to be too good to join Hood's gang...

And he made Spiderpussy lick his semen from the floor several times, too:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/4128119-0081677952-27657.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Leave 616 Shocker alone, goddammit.

Dude went toe to toe with the Thing and was considered to be too good to join Hood's gang...

And he made Spiderpussy lick his semen from the floor several times, too:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/4128119-0081677952-27657.jpg Lol whenever I see shocker now I just think of hammerhead sending him to the hospital

Don't worry. Stilt has been waiting YEARS to post that.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
They weren't shot by the minigun, though. They did raise their arms in defense, expecting to be hit, but the crab aimed for the building's structural supports instead. There's no visible impact on them during the barrage, and Rocksteady taunts the crab for not hitting him or Bebop.

I don't remember seeing scans of the turtles fighting them, but they're still using steel weapons, and if these turtles are anything like other versions, they're not going for the kill. Wolverine has no such qualms concerning criminals, and his claws have built up their reputation by casually slicing through just about anything not adamantium or magical. Galan only posted a portion of the fight and they were indeed shot outright by a Herman's minigun and shrugged it off. It's also worth noting that Rocksteady performed a legit bfr on Alopex and Raphael while Bebop performed a bfr on Nobody.

Originally posted by deathslash
Galan only posted a portion of the fight and they were indeed shot outright by a Herman's minigun and shrugged it off. Yes indeed:
https://s26.postimg.org/h7eg08ux5/image.jpg


They also tanked a missile to the chest from Herman:
https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35284469_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-003.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35284471_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-004.jpg

Yeah, they're tough as nails allright.

Thing is, nothing they tanked is adamantium. Especially Logan's adamantium, powered by the collective wills of paying fanboys everywhere.

I'm not so sure even shrugging off lasers (Which they have!) is enough to keep from getting pierced/gutted/mauled..

About BB and RS's speed:

They did ok against the turtles, yeah. Only a half step behind them, I'd say
Kurei, otoh, pretty much blitzed Rocksteady. Shoved a big stick in his mouth and could have cut him through the roof of the mouth into the brain..

Granted, BB was trying to impress her and not be fired from the foot, but still... No one in tmnt really has speed feats on par with Wolverines best, including Shredders daughter.

Or, Splinter. Who probably could have killed them both with a super weapon of some kind.. (Adamantium.sword, ebony blade, Cap's shield..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, they're tough as nails allright.

Thing is, nothing they tanked is adamantium. Especially Logan's adamantium, powered by the collective wills of paying fanboys everywhere.

I'm not so sure even shrugging off lasers (Which they have!) is enough to keep from getting pierced/gutted/mauled.. I don't think anyone is saying they could tank Wolvie's claws, though. Just that their durability/damage soak/HF would enable them to endure the slashes/stabs FAR better than most... Which is absolutely true.

Gray Hulk surpasses pretty much all the stuff posted without invoking the asteroid feat

While I'm thinking about it, here's another instance of B&R tanking a missile pointblank:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35284924_9455105.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35284925_1383887.jpg

As for some of the weaponry in Krang's arsenal...


He's got a slew of missiles:
http://i.imgur.com/MHkxmzul.jpg


An energy-blade for close quarters fighting:
http://i.imgur.com/aGe8Hrgl.jpg


A powerful arm-beam/canon:
http://i.imgur.com/8VggydOl.jpg


A very potent chest-beam:
http://i.imgur.com/onOmDV3l.jpg


No less than 20 smaller hand/wrist-mounted lasers:
http://i.imgur.com/KcrQPIZl.jpg


*And he can use both of the above simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/tNIwd0Al.jpg


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Moreover, Krang's brute strength is at least on par with Bebop & Rocksteady, given that he, too, can casually swat the Turts aside:
http://i.imgur.com/x8hvsrul.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SzJqHBMl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Svx2382l.jpg


And smash through massive stone pillars like toothpicks:
http://i.imgur.com/fwKAhXZl.jpg

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So yeah, he's certainly no pushover either.

Still lost to Shredder.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think anyone is saying they could tank Wolvie's claws, though. Just that their durability/damage soak/HF would enable them to endure the slashes/stabs FAR better than most... Which is absolutely true. what's to stop them from grabbing wolverine by the hands and beating on his face either? I know that gorilla man did something similar....

Good match. want to say team 2. But it doesn't look like they win easy at all

Originally posted by cdtm
Still lost to Shredder. ...Then he came back with his new armor and stomped Shredder easily.