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Polish PM is slammed for using Auschwitz speech commemorating the first prisoners to enter the Nazi death camp as a chance to defend her anti-migrant policy

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https://psmag.com/news/poland-enabling-right-wing-radicals

HOW POLAND'S GOVERNING ELITES ENABLE RIGHT-WING RADICALS

Recent years have brought about an unparalleled growth in the popularity of right-wing radical groups in the country.

A more in depth analysis from a source more dependable than dailymail. Enjoy.

https://visegradpost.com/en/2017/04/07/the-self-destruction-of-the-european-union/

The Self-Destruction of the European Union

Not at all, but the one I posted is more dependable, that's all.

I think you would benefit greatly by familiarizing yourself with the article that explains the issue. Your understanding of it seems pretty weak tbh. Not that I am surprised by that, though.

She said that a country has a solemn duty to protect its citizents. You disagree?

Also, I'm sorry but big LOL at she's "appearing to defend her policies" remark in that article you cited. That's a very, very weak critique, really.

Anyways, you should learn more about the power struggle betwen the dying West and the rising East in the EU. It's quite interesting.

Originally posted by Stigma
She said that a country has a solemn duty to protect its citizents. You disagree?

Also, I'm sorry but big LOL at she's "appearing to defend her policies" remark in that article you cited. That's a very, very weak critique, really.

Anyways, you should learn more about the power struggle betwen the dying West and the rising East in the EU. It's quite interesting.

It really interests me very little as I work in the Middle East and see globalism and corporations as far more powerful than individual states. When you have been in the world lived in other countries and met other peoples, you will understand better. But then, I doubt you will do any of that.

Originally posted by Stigma
She said that a country has a solemn duty to protect its citizents. You disagree?

Also, I'm sorry but big LOL at she's "appearing to defend her policies" remark in that article you cited. That's a very, very weak critique, really.

Anyways, you should learn more about the power struggle betwen the dying West and the rising East in the EU. It's quite interesting.

Are you ready for some hilarity about Steve's whining that the Daily Mail is only credible when it suits the right?

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
The way these kids frame their abhorrent agenda is basically the worse kind of Daily Mail/Sun Tabloid headline, without the humor.

Yes, that was from yesterday lol. Get ready to hear why it's different though.

So what does this "legal action" entail, exactly?

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac

Polish PM is slammed for using Auschwitz speech commemorating the first prisoners to enter the Nazi death camp as a chance to defend her anti-migrant policy


*sigh*

Originally posted by cdtm
So what does this "legal action" entail, exactly?
In a nutshell the EU wants Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to pay penalties for opposting failed EU migrnats policies and refusing relocation of migrants.

In short, they are barking but not biting.


Do you want to know the offcial reponse of the Polish government?

Forced relocation of refugees worse than EU penalties


http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/307297,Forced-relocation-of-refugees-worse-than-EU-penalties-minister

This is ****ing hilarious. Let me get this straight, a group of individuals in the EU that weren't democratically put in power, or telling Countries do this or else! Never mind all the ****ed up shits that's been happening in Britain and France with there love for all immigrants.

Originally posted by SquallX
This is ****ing hilarious. Let me get this straight, a group of individuals in the EU that weren't democratically put in power, or telling Countries do this or else! Never mind all the ****ed up shits that's been happening in Britain and France with there love for all immigrants.
Well, pretty much.

Source?

And easy, ONR is a mariginal group either way. Less than 0.25% as far as I remember. They are a joke.

Eh, there's usually more going on then that.

The rank and file "fodder" in everything of this sort usually sticks to the program because they're tangibly benefiting in some way. A paycheck, a nice house, ect..

If they manage to turn the economy around, get everyone employed, and create a nice lifestyle for "the right type of people", then you can worry.

Originally posted by Stigma
Source?

And easy, ONR is a mariginal group either way. Less than 0.25% as far as I remember. They are a joke. From Steve's PSMAG link above.

Agreed, I noted "small" group. But I know you know your history and the Nazi party started out as a "marginal group", then they found a young, angry and very talented orator, found a group to target as the enemy of the people, spoke of nationalism and strong identity policies etc. Well, you know the rest.

Originally posted by cdtm
Eh, there's usually more going on then that.

The rank and file "fodder" in everything of this sort usually sticks to the program because they're tangibly benefiting in some way. A paycheck, a nice house, ect..

If they manage to turn the economy around, get everyone employed, and create a nice lifestyle for "the right type of people", then you can worry.

I don't think we have Nazi 2.0 on our hands, but they shouldn't just be brushed aside as a fad, imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
From Steve's PSMAG link above.
Oh, I see.

Agreed, I noted "small" group. But I know you know your history and the Nazi party started out as a "marginal group", then they found a young, angry and very talented orator, found a group to target as the enemy of the people, spoke of nationalism and strong identity policies etc. Well, you know the rest.
Indeed. However, ONR is actually anti-Nazi as it's members were persecuted and killed during WWII by Nazis.

In any case, this observation can be made about any marginal group like PEGIDA in Britain or Germany. Actually these groups seem to have more relevance than ONR.

This is also because Polish politics turned to center-right lately and such groups like ONR haves no pull. Law and Justice (rulling party) and Kukiz'15 already pulled conservatives and right-wingers.

My point of concern wasn't that the Nazi party was rising in Poland; I don't think it is (is it?), it was more towards authoritarian regimes and their small beginnings. Where no one takes them seriously at first, then 10-15 years later you have a dictator in power and human rights go out the window.

Oh, I see. But at this point it is such a wild speculation that it does not even warrant a serious debate, mainly because there is no material to work with, really.

Truth to be told, I am actually foreseeing an extension of political power when it comes to the rulling party Law and Justice (center-right). This is the most probable outcome in Poland in the following years (decades?).

Originally posted by Robtard
My point of concern wasn't that the Nazi party was rising in Poland; I don't think it is (is it?), it was more towards authoritarian regimes and their small beginnings. Where no one takes them seriously at first, then 10-15 years later you have a dictator in power and human rights go out the window.

Interstingly Rob, most people consider the Polish Government far right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/magazine/the-party-that-wants-to-make-poland-great-again.html

https://news.vice.com/story/poland-populist-government-far-right-extremism

75.000 far right Poles marched last year

http://nypost.com/2016/11/11/75000-far-right-nationalists-march-on-polands-independence-day/

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Interstingly Rob, most people consider the Polish Government far right.
And they'd be wrong. The Polish government has extensive social programs, virtually similar to what American Democrats tend to support. The difference is they are conservatives. Law and Justice is center-right. Far right label is nonsense.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac


You seem to confuse nationalism with avid patriotism. This is an independence day march btw. What did you expect?

Well, Pankowski is a liberal leftist, so obviously he is opposed to any right-wing manifestations. He is also not above smearing other political views, as seen in the quote posted.

Rob, if you're interested I recommned my previous post on the government policies.

BTW the march was reported to be 150,000 in some sources. Not sure why the number here is twice as small.

What is your take on these 75-150k marchers?

Independence marches are made up by people who feel patriotic pride, basically. In Poland patriotism is strong and an important part of social and cultural tradition and is understood as healthy nationalism (something that in the West is quite misunderstood).

Not to say there are not some crazies that attend (tend to be pacified by the police anyway, if needed).

Pankowski's comments are pure trash aimed as a political strike. Not that it has to be disproved, really, but the welcoming policy of the Polish government towards Ukrianian refugees is proof enough that he is talking out of his ass.

BTW That is worth remembering is that in various estimations Poland welcomed somewhere between 1 million to 1.5 million of Ukrainians running away from the conflict with Russia.

Originally posted by Stigma
Independence marches are made up by people who feel patriotic pride, basically. In Poland patriotism is strong and is understood as healthy nationalism (something that in the West is quite misunderstood).


So it's only the East that understands it properly? O.K. I understand why Poland has such strong Nationalism, it's a small country that has historically always been bullied by the regional powers. It's the perfect breeding ground for the far right, when you consider Geography and History.

Originally posted by Stigma
Independence marches are made up by people who feel patriotic pride, basically. In Poland patriotism is strong and an important part of social and cultural tradition and is understood as healthy nationalism (something that in the West is quite misunderstood).

Not to say there are not some crazies that attend (tend to be pacified by the police anyway, if needed).

Pankowski's comments are pure trash aimed as a political strike. Not that it has to be disproved, really, but the welcoming policy of the Polish government towards Ukrianian refugees is proof enough that he is talking out of his ass.

BTW That is worth remembering is that in various estimations Poland welcomed somewhere between 1 million to 1.5 million of Ukrainians running away from the conflict with Russia. Yeah, sucks that a smaller vile group can sour something for the larger peaceful group. Happens here too, in peaceful marches, protests and gatherings.

I've read that the 'welcome Ukraine' stance has more to do with Poland being defiant of Russia and it's ever encroaching ways, than altruistic reasons for the plight of the Ukrainians. Not sure how true that is, but it doesn't sound like an insane claim.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
So it's only the East that understands it properly? O.K. I understand why Poland has such strong Nationalism, it's a small country that has historically always been bullied by the regional powers. It's the perfect breeding ground for the far right, when you consider Geography and History.
Umm, 5th largest country in Europe, 2 or 3rd army (iirc) Not that bad. mmm

Historically, it's not that simple. Poland was a European super-power longer than United States exist. Now it's on its way to become a regional power.

Originally posted by Stigma
Umm, 5th largest country in Europe, 2 or 3rd army (iirc) Not that bad. mmm

Historically, it's not that simple. Poland was a European super-power longer than United States exist. Now it's on its way to become a regional power.

It's been invaded by almost everyone.

http://brilliantmaps.com/invaded-poland/

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, sucks that a smaller vile group can sour something for the larger peaceful group. Happens here too, in peaceful marches, protests and gatherings.
Elaborate?

Originally posted by Robtard
I've read that the 'welcome Ukraine' stance has more to do with Poland being defiant of Russia and it's ever encroaching ways, than altruistic reasons for the plight of the Ukrainians. Not sure how true that is, but it doesn't sound like an insane claim.
That would be an unwarranted doubt in Polish hospitality. And it does sound like an insane claim, actually

In short, Poland, a country of 40 milion welcomes 1.5 milion Ukrainian refugees. Germany, a country of 80 milion struggles to welcome 1 million Muslim refugees. Weird.

Originally posted by Stigma
Elaborate?


That woudl be an unwarranted doubt in Polish hospitality. And it does sound like an insae claim, actually

In shorrt, Poland, a country of 40 milion welcomes 1.5 milion Ukrainian refugees. Germany, a country of 80 milion struggles to welcome 1 million Muslim refugees. Weird.

Come on man chill, I've noticed loads of typo's lately from you.

The above is a litany.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
It's been invaded by almost everyone.

http://brilliantmaps.com/invaded-poland/
LoL, no. But by Russia, Germany and Ottoman Empire, mainly.

It is also the only nation that defeated Russian Empire (where Napoleon and Hitler failed), defeated Bolshevik Russia (1920), defeated Ottoman Empire numerous times (most remarkably at the gates of Vienna 1683) and had the longest, most dedicated resistance during WWII and Communist occupation.

Not to mention overthrowing Communism as the first nation in Europe.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Come on man chill, I've noticed loads of typo's lately from you.

The above is a litany.
English is my second language and I have dyslexia. Sorry for inconvenience, bro.

Originally posted by Stigma
LoL, no. But by Russia, Germnay and Ottoman Empire. mainly.



And everyone else

We've come to your rescue a few times I believe...

That's a weird-ass map.

Originally posted by Stigma
Elaborate?


That woudl be an unwarranted doubt in Polish hospitality. And it does sound like an insae claim, actually

In shorrt, Poland, a country of 40 milion welcomes 1.5 milion Ukrainian refugees. Germany, a country of 80 milion struggles to welcome 1 million Muslim refugees. Weird.

Recent example the protest in Berkeley, it was peaceful until a smaller group of turds looking for trouble came in and ruined it for everyone. Then all the protestors gets lumped in the rotten group. The BLM marches, the majority of the people marching are peaceful, then you get a few turds who throw rocks, burns cars, loot stores etc.

I'm not in Poland, so I don't know. Just know that Poland has an uneasy relationship with Russia and I don't blame Poland looking out for its best interest in regards to Russia.

Curious though, if Poland has an open arms policy with refugees, why the lack of altruism with Muslim refugees?

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
And everyone else

We've come to your rescue a few times I believe...
WWII and....that would be it, I believe. And even then you were late to the party. Not to mention Battle of Britain where Polish pilots did most of the Nazi killing.

In any case, your remark about small country was misinformed, apparently.

Originally posted by Stigma
WWII and....that would be it, I believe. And even then you were late to the party. Not to mention Battle of Britain where Polish pilots did most of the Nazi killing.

In any case, your remark about small country was misinformed, apparently.

Yeah, like I said you're 25th in the World with a Bullet.

Migration has worked well for aspiring Poles who have come to more affluent and better resourced EU states.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Migration has worked well for aspiring Poles who have come to more affluent and better resourced EU states.
I already explained the immigration phenomenon, but it seems you are unable to grasp it. Here it is, again:

Originally posted by Stigma
Not that simple.

The main reason is the relation of the pound to zloty. It's 1 to 6, as far as I remember, which gives the pound a lot of economic power. When one comes back to Poland, one can buy much more with a British salary. Some choose to stay, many are there temporarily.

You can also add the historical reason, that is, that Poland is only recenly coming out of the trauma of communism (tilll early 90s) and post-communism (which was a phase up until early 2000s). Free market based so strongly in Britain is appealing to many.

Other than that Britain is circling the drain, so to speak. This is unfrotunate but is stems from the social and political lack of foresight and PC dictatorship.

Originally posted by Stigma
I already explained the immigration phenomenon, but it seems you are unable to grasp it. Here it is, again:

Most Poles I've met are usually working in low-income jobs and say they are in the U.K. because they aspire for something better.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Most Poles I've met are usually working in low-income jobs and say they are in the U.K. because they aspire for something better.
And most British I've met were drunk idiots that roam the streets of Cracow or Prague after having a stag party there.

As you can see, personal experience is not always the best measure of how things are.

Originally posted by Stigma
And most British I've met were drunk idiots that roam the streets of Cracow or Prague after having a stag party there.

As you can see, personal experience is not always the best measure of how things are.

I don't disagree. unless you are checking out Auschwitz, a stag party, because Poland is cheap, would be the only reason Brits would go there.

It doesn't change my observation that most barmen and maids, chefs assistants etc, who are Polish go to Britain for aspirational reasons and good for them!

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I don't disagree. unless you are checking out Auschwitz, a stag party, because Poland is cheap, would be the only reason Brits would go there.
Soon there might be another reason

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
It doesn't change my observation that most barmen and maids, chefs assistants etc, who are Polish go to Britain for aspirational reasons and good for them!
Indeed. And my experience with Brits is as I mentioned.

Originally posted by Stigma
Soon there might be another reason


Indeed. And my experience with Brits is as I mentioned.

Well, fortunately, my experience with many Poles is better, and many are very nice, although they can be lazy an ex. had a number working in her restaurant kitchen she had to fire.

I doubt they'll be another reason, we'll see.