Lucifer vs Ghost Rider

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Sable
Lucifer (Lucifer) Fox Universe

vs

Ghost Rider MCU

GR gets his chains, and bike. No PS.

Lucifer gets the sword from heaven and his wings.

KingD19
Lightbringer Lucifer with the Flaming Sword wins. He should be able to cut right through GR.

Even just Azrael's Blade was enough to kill Archangels and possibly God and Goddess.

Sable
Nice, you saw the latest episode? Pretty cool he got his wings back.

KingD19
Yeah. It raises so many questions though.

TheVaultDweller
Might edge it to Lucifer, because he has a weapon that can destroy the gates of Heaven itself, and apparently kill pretty much anything. Need to see more to know how much his wings will help though, and what effect it has on his power level. Though, based on his fight with Mazikeen, a strong enough mystical opponent can in fact hurt him, so he has to be careful.

KingD19
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Might edge it to Lucifer, because he has a weapon that can destroy the gates of Heaven itself, and apparently kill pretty much anything. Need to see more to know how much his wings will help though, and what effect it has on his power level. Though, based on his fight with Mazikeen, a strong enough mystical opponent can in fact hurt him, so he has to be careful.

True. Maze is a high level demon specifically chosen by God to torture/keep him in line though, so it's not like they scraped the barrel vs Archangels. Also we have to keep in mind being wingless does decrease his power, so we've never seen him go full tilt with the wings.

Sable
But he just got his wings back iirc right?

KingD19
Yeah. Maze is the one who cut them off though at Lucifer's request. However we've seen full power Amenadiel casually dismiss Maze when she was going full out.

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We've only seen Maze fight a wingless Lucifer who is still her friend. So if he's at full power she's probably an annoyance more than anything as he is even more powerful than Amenadiel. Her true threat are her knives, which can kill angels.

Sable
Cool, thanks!

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah. Maze is the one who cut them off though at Lucifer's request. However we've seen full power Amenadiel casually dismiss Maze when she was going full out.

NUUg8MG_bjs

We've only seen Maze fight a wingless Lucifer who is still her friend. So if he's at full power she's probably an annoyance more than anything as he is even more powerful than Amenadiel. Her true threat are her knives, which can kill angels.

It's kind of depressing how far Amenadiel fell in the show. He was doing shit like this early on, but later just became whiny and emo. Hopefully him doing a pretty impressive time freeze during the S2 finale means he is getting his juice back.

Sable
Did he get his wings back yet? I remember seeing the episode where they were degraded.

KingD19
He meant Luci.

Amenadiel still has his wings rotted and decaying.

TheVaultDweller
Well, yeah. Last we saw, his wings were still deteriorating and his power fading. But what I meant was that I hope the long time freeze Amenadiel was able to pull off during the finale (when Linda got injured) is a sign that things might be changing. Would be nice to have both brothers back at full strength.

But yeah, thinking about it, Lucifer getting his wings back should put him well above Maze. Even without them, he was able to pretty much stalemate a pre-weakened Amenadiel when they fought.

Sable
What was the exact episode number Amenadiel has his wings rotting? I'm trying to find it on demand.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Sable
What was the exact episode number Amenadiel has his wings rotting? I'm trying to find it on demand.

His time manipulation powers start sputtering out in the first episode of season two (while he is at the police station), and they show his decaying wings in the episode after that.

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