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In the Temple of Sacrifice fight, Revan's spirit did a lot more to aid the strike team than just build a bridge - he outright resurrected them from the dead after the Dark Revan had defeated them, allowing them to fight again. He was only able to do so once to the strike team members in question, though.

For reference, this is the automatic buff that the deceased strike team members get immediately after Phase Five begins:


https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/abl/boon-of-the-spirit

Thoughts?

Based on this then, the argument that SoR Revan didn't kill anyone is incorrect.

Which I'm all for.

Game mechanic.

Legitimately shocked I never saw that before, kek. Anyway, great to see Revan's still being discussed.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Game mechanic.

Not if it's scripted.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Game mechanic.

It's a scripted event, which makes it a factual part of the fight itself.

Originally posted by AncientPower
respect ma made up rules11!11!

Lol, you realise that scripted events in game fights have always been canon?

Welcome to 2004.

Revan >Plagueis.

Originally posted by AncientPower
respect ma made up rules11!11!shall I add more ones?

I haven't 'made up' any rules whatsoever, but thanks for continuously displaying your own ignorance.

1!1!11

Looks like Beni's in meltdown mode

Plagueis wank is dying by the thread.

Originally posted by slayne
In the Temple of Sacrifice fight, Revan's spirit did a lot more to aid the strike team than just build a bridge - he outright resurrected them from the dead after the Dark Revan had defeated them, allowing them to fight again. He was only able to do so once to the strike team members in question, though.

For reference, this is the automatic buff that the deceased strike team members get immediately after Phase Five begins:


https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/abl/boon-of-the-spirit

Thoughts?


It pain me to hear that spirit is revan one, to me, it is more the spirit of proto commander shepard from KotOR I....

Damn. I might raise Revan back to Dooku level with this.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Damn. I might raise Revan back to Dooku level with this.

So Dooku can resurrect the strike team as well?

Egads.

Revan's "resurrection" of the strike team wouldn't put him on or approaching Dooku's level since even characters sub Wyyrlok tier characters like Andeddu are capable of essence transfer. More that he actually might have managed to kill them once in his SoR incarnation.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Revan's "resurrection" of the strike team wouldn't put him on or approaching Dooku's level since even characters sub Wyyrlok tier characters like Andeddu are capable of essence transfer. More that he actually might have managed to kill them once in his SoR incarnation. Has KMC really dulled you so quickly? You only just left SWEB a couple weeks ago.

months*

Essence Transfer? Lmao.

Or any similar power.

Fact is "resurrection" doesn't take much.

Edit: Jesus is confirmed Bane tier scrub.

You literally die and he brings you back to life, if anything it's similar to Dark Transfer, but even better. In other words Essence Transfer isn't even remotely comparable.

You understand that Sidious literally tortured the engineer for the Death Star to death multiple times before bringing him back with essence transfer?

My point is it's not some super impressive feat given all the characters that know similar abilities. It's literally just guiding their spirits back into their bodies.

Asajj resurrected the death.

Originally posted by Kjam
Looks like Beni's in meltdown mode when's ur ban?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You understand that Sidious literally tortured the engineer for the Death Star to death multiple times before bringing him back with essence transfer?

My point is it's not some super impressive feat given all the characters that know similar abilities. It's literally just guiding their spirits back into their bodies. All you proved is that Revan has yet another Sidious level feat. Thanks for that,

Syn: Revan is now only Dooku level, proof? Take a look at this feat from DE Sidious that is similar.

This is why you guys should read the whole thread.

That post was in response to AP's claim that it was more likely to be some other ability.

As I already clarified, sub Wyyrlok level characters know the ability making it not all that impressive. The impressiveness of the feat lies in SoR Revan's ability to actually kill the strike team.

And he wasn't "lowered" to Dooku level. As I specified he was raised to that level.

Wait a second, who all was a member of the strike team? Because revan butchering the whole strike team and a portion of his power being enough to bring them back to life is absolutely insane.

Originally posted by deathslash
Wait a second, who all was a member of the strike team? Because revan butchering the whole strike team and a portion of his power being enough to bring them back to life is absolutely insane.
Wrath, Nox, Barsen'thor, Hero, Cipher 9, Meteor, Voidhound, and the Champion of the Great Hunt.

Originally posted by slayne
Wrath, Nox, Barsen'thor, Hero, Cipher 9, Meteor, Voidhound, and the Champion of the Great Hunt. yeah, as awful as shadow of revan was, that feat is just plain crazy.

Originally posted by deathslash
Wait a second, who all was a member of the strike team? Because revan butchering the whole strike team and a portion of his power being enough to bring them back to life is absolutely insane. weak scrubs who got ragdolled by soverus.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
weak scrubs who got ragdolled by soverus. there's a difference between being able to ragdoll someone and being able to beat/kill them.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You understand that Sidious literally tortured the engineer for the Death Star to death multiple times before bringing him back with essence transfer?

My point is it's not some super impressive feat given all the characters that know similar abilities. It's literally just guiding their spirits back into their bodies.

He transferred his spirit into new clone bodies of the same engineer, I know because I just finished Darksaber. What Palpatine did was Essence Transfer, what Revan's spirit did was literally resurrect the dead in the same body. The only comparable feat is Darth Plagueis resurrecting Venamis, the difference being that Revan used pure Force power and not midichlorian manipulation.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
This is why you guys should read the whole thread.

We did.



We know.



Show me where "sub Wyyrock" characters have the ability to maim, kill and resurrect packs of individuals, namely Force sensitive ones, please.



It's not hard to see why you're treated like a sub-human ingrate on this Forum, Syn. English is supposedly you're first language (it isn't mine) and being a 21 year old post grad, one would hope you'd know how to use quotation marks correctly. FYI, the person you're responding to has to actually use the word that's being quoted. Read my comment again and try and find the word lowered.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He transferred his spirit into new clone bodies of the same engineer, I know because I just finished Darksaber. What Palpatine did was Essence Transfer, what Revan's spirit did was literally resurrect the dead in the same body. The only comparable feat is Darth Plagueis resurrecting Venamis, the difference being that Revan used pure Force power and not midichlorian manipulation.

Any form of "resurrection" is simply the displacement of an unanchored spirit into a corporeal form. How it was done doesn't really matter since we know it's not something that is any more impressive then Revan's other feats ( even if it was closer to Dark Transfer that's still only Cade level ) which is the point I was making.

Originally posted by Kjam
We did.



We know.



Show me where "sub Wyyrock" characters have the ability to maim, kill and resurrect packs of individuals, namely Force sensitive ones, please.



It's not hard to see why you're treated like a sub-human ingrate on this Forum, Syn. English is supposedly you're first language (it isn't mine) and being a 21 year old post grad, one would hope you'd know how to use quotation marks correctly. FYI, the person you're responding to has to actually use the word that's being quoted. Read my comment again and try and find the word lowered.

Then congratulations on pretending ignorance?

They have shown the ability to displace an unanchored spirit into a corporate form. It's never shown to be more or less difficult to do this with Force users then with non Force users and even if it was what reason would the strike team have to resist the efforts of Revan's spirit?

Lmao. You said, and I quote:

Originally posted by Kjam
Revan is now ONLY Dooku level, proof?

Which means you believe I lowered him. Given English isn't your first language I can forgive your inability to understand basic sentences.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Any form of "resurrection" is simply the displacement of an unanchored spirit into a corporeal form. How it was done doesn't really matter since we know it's not something that is any more impressive then Revan's other feats ( even if it was closer to Dark Transfer that's still only Cade level ) which is the point I was making.

It's literally resurrecting a necrotic being, and healing that body from whatever attack Revan killed them with. Please stop trying to lowball this with feats that don't even begin to compare. Transferring a spirit into another body is not the same as reviving a dead being back to full fighting condition.

I'm not lowballing it because I don't have anything to judge the energy output other then other forms of resurrection we've seen which AREN'T above Revan's other feats.

If you have some proof for why it raises Revan above where he was previously ( aside from the having killed the strike team since I already addressed that ) I'd love to hear it.

You've read Darth Plagueis, right?

You understand that Dark Transfer can only bring you back from the brink of death and not actual death?

You seem to be misunderstanding the monumental significance of such a feat. It's not just a cheap body swapping feat.

For reference:

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Wait, you're claiming Plagueis's resurrection of Venamis was the "galactonic event" being referenced. I'm pretty sure that was in reference to their shifting the balance of the Force though it's been a while since I've read the book. Mind giving me the page number?

Even if it was referencing the resurrection there's no way to know if Revan did something similar or, as you yourself suggested, was more akin to something like Dark Transfer.

Originally posted by AncientPower
if anything it's similar to Dark Transfer

I made the mistake of reading through the thread.

Reaffirmed my decision on quitting debating.

Right, Syn went off on an unnecessary tangent when the answer is simple: it's a game mechanic.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I made the mistake of reading through the thread.

Reaffirmed my decision on quitting debating.
Imagine that's how other people felt when reading your stuff the last 5 years lol.

How the **** did you see 'midichlorian manipulation' and think of unbalancing the Force?

Oh and the difference is plainly obvious, the characters are dead and he brings them back to life from a necrotic state into full fighting shape.

Which for those of us too impeccably moronic to understand; takes place in a scripted event that occurs at the beginning of Phase Five of the battle.

One might as well say every fight in SWTOR is a game mechanic, cutscenes and all.

This was... excruciatingly bad.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Game mechanic.

A scripted event referenced by character dialogue and even in-game text, is not a game mechanic.

Originally posted by AncientPower
A scripted event referenced by character dialogue and even in-game text, is not a game mechanic.

Where is the event referenced by character dialogue?

It's almost as if you haven't deigned to play the source material.

Shocking.

lol

Originally posted by AncientPower
It's almost as if you haven't deigned to play the source material.

Shocking.

It's almost as if you're incapable of citing sources you haven't completely made up.

That's... well, not shocking at all, really. mmm

Originally posted by AncientPower
It's almost as if you haven't deigned to play the source material.

Shocking.
Gotta love the psuedo ad-hominem instead of providing proof lol.

I can do so quite easily, if I bother to find the appropriate YouTube video.

But it's so like you to try and take the cheap victory.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I can do so quite easily, if I bother to find the appropriate YouTube video.

https://media.giphy.com/media/PJSy35FvfwHew/giphy.gif

Originally posted by AncientPower
But it's so like you to try and take the cheap victory.

Careful, now: you're about to derail the thread with flaming.

I'll find it alright, though I'm not doing so on your imaginative timetable. I haven't the time at the moment to go and find a timestamp for you, but I imagine Ant will beat me to it.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'll find it alright, though I'm not doing so on your imaginative timetable. I haven't the time at the moment to go and find a timestamp for you, but I imagine Ant will beat me to it.

That's what I thought.

Though I wouldn't be so eager to advertise the fact that Ant defends your argument better than you do.

Don't have time to find a YT video but have time to shitpose here lol.

Nah, stranger. That can't be right. Because that'd be a violation of the rules and AP doesn't do that.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Which for those of us too impeccably moronic to understand; takes place in a scripted event that occurs at the beginning of Phase Five of the battle.Right, designed to rez the player should they be KO'ed for the next boss phase, otherwise known as a game mechanic. Nobody cares if it's scripted.

No, just the obvious parts that exist for gameplay only.

Originally posted by AncientPower
How the **** did you see 'midichlorian manipulation' and think of unbalancing the Force?

Oh and the difference is plainly obvious, the characters are dead and he brings them back to life from a necrotic state into full fighting shape.

Which for those of us too impeccably moronic to understand; takes place in a scripted event that occurs at the beginning of Phase Five of the battle.

One might as well say every fight in SWTOR is a game mechanic, cutscenes and all.

Because, and I may be wrong here, I don't believe the "galactonic event" being referenced is the resurrection of Venamis. It's why I asked you for the page numbers for the quotes so I could confirm for myself.

Which is still just displacing their spirits back into a corporeal form. At best it's the addition of healing the body so that it's undamaged enough that it can sustain life.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Because, and I may be wrong here, I don't believe the "galactonic event" being referenced is the resurrection of Venamis. It's why I asked you for the page numbers for the quotes so I could confirm for myself.

Which is still just displacing their spirits back into a corporeal form. At best it's the addition of healing the body so that it's undamaged enough that it can sustain life.
There is massive difference between 'reanimating a corpse' and shifting essence into a "well-preserved cloned body."

No point in shifting essence into a corpse that is beyond restoration. It doesn't works.

Revan not only reanimated his dead body (in Dark Revan) but also retained his essence somehow. This development caused great disturbances in the Force that could be felt everywhere across the galaxy.

Darth Plagueis' brief revival of Darth Venamis is almost nothing in comparison.

Darth Plagueis' repeated revival of Venamis until his organs gave out, in part caused the Force to strike out by creating a prophesied Chosen One to redress the imbalance.

That seems a little more of a reaction.

Didn't AP say (s)he'll find the YouTube video and post it here? We're still waiting.

I found a video of a player getting resurrected:

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2.18.30 onwards. The Spirit does indeed speak beforehand whilst also constructing a bridge for you to get up to Revan. At 2.19 exactly the player targets the revived player and you can see the icon indicating they did indeed get revived by this ability.

I noticed that Revan teleports up to the higher platform midst combat too btw, kek.

So if you die/get KO'd in the game you get an extra life.

LMAO.

There is no database software powerful enough to keep a record of all the retarded bullshit #teamswtor has tried to pass for an argument over the years. You guys are seriously special needs.

Nice meltdown.

Nice projection.

I just posted the evidence proving the feats legit, why would I be melting down?

Its been definitively proven now that its a scripted event and the OOU ability text confirms that Revan's lightsided spirit, which is far weaker than his true abilities, resurrects anyone who dies in the fight. Its an outstanding feat and further cements Revan's superlative standing.

I was intrigued by the rest of the thread though. Outside of the Dread Masters, what are the other cases of genuine resurrection in the mythos? I know Ventress and the Nightsisters could make zombies and Dark Transfer can bring people back as I recall, but not counting those I can't remember anything else.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nice meltdown.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51YlwNNjStL.jpg

Great find on the video there, Neph.

Syn brings up a great point. Revan might have simply channeled their spirits back into their bodies.

When someone dies, don't their souls go in the Netherworld of the Force(place of souls)?

Even assuming it's legit, it's an Asajj level feat.

Asajj could make zombies, not actually resurrect people.

The only difference I see is Asajj wanted them mindless, since she needs slaves/minions, and the souls likely passed on anyways. I don't doubt her -- or at least someone like Dooku -- could fully resurrect someone who was recently deceased.

Cool story bro. I'm sure that if you believe in something hard enough, it'll become slightly less fake. Keep it up!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Cool story bro. I'm sure that if you believe in something hard enough, it'll become slightly less fake. Keep it up!

The irony is real.

I'm glad we've established that Revan's on Plagueis tier.

Wait a moment, doesn't Revan do the same thing Plagueis did to Venamis? I mean, Plagueis kept killing and reviving Venamis via MM. But how can you revive 'midi-chlorians' that are dead? Unless Revan also knows MM and can use it.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm glad we've established that Revan's on Plagueis tier.

And Nihilus is beyond Revan tier, right?

All we know is that it wasn't Sorcery because that's what dark Revan is using.

Put this on top of Revan willing his midichorians to stay alive, with no knowledge of them.
he spanks Plageuis.

How do TOR characters not know about Force cells?

Originally posted by AncientPower
All we know is that it wasn't Sorcery because that's what dark Revan is using.
He was either using Dark transfer or Force cell manipulation. But most likely, Force cell manipulation.

There's a pretty funny flaw here but I'll hold on it in case Ant tries to bring it up in the debate.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
There's a pretty funny flaw here but I'll hold on it in case Ant tries to bring it up in the debate.
hm? the fact dark Revan didn't fully revive himself?
Him not being Spiritually complete, might be a factor as Light Revan simply wanted to die.(become one with the force)

Also not to mention, Dark Revan actually had an advantage, for his revenge using a Dead body, if you look back at the novel. that's what stopped him last time.

Also, Dark Revan didn't care for life, he only wanted to end Vitiate, he had no advantageous need for it, if he could.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
How do TOR characters not know about Force cells?

It was only confirmed by a sith lord 500 years of so before TOR, in which he died, not passing on said knowledge. It was only till after TOR that It is confirmed they knew about/learned Midichlorians.

How can't they know about them and who is that Lord? I find it stupid, to be honest.

Looking into this more, this happens in unison with the Spirit saying, "I am with you. Be strong." and lifting the bridge for the protagonists.

That it's taken you so long to clarify this is disappointing tbh. This would wank Revan to new levels.

I initially dismissed the feat thinking it was HM exclusive, but I discovered it also applies to SM. Just finally got around to it on my upcoming new RT.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Looking into this more, this happens in unison with the Spirit saying, "I am with you. Be strong." and lifting the bridge for the protagonists.

I already said that.

Haven't been following the thread. Sorry Neph.

So Revan was Resurrecting/Amping, and tking massive archways around the same time. As a Lightside Spirit on Yavin.

Don't know why Dark Revan thought he was stronger without him.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
So Revan was Resurrecting/Amping, and tking massive archways around the same time. As a Lightside Spirit on Yavin.

Don't know why Dark Revan thought he was stronger without him. Cuz Jedi platitudes