Originally posted by leonidas
1. i've been wrong...more times than i can count on this forum so it's not hard for me to admit anything. did i forget the healing scene?
but borg said he'd speed things up, that's all. some solar juice in the arm healed him fully? maybe the arm. the rest of him? it didn't heal his face. what else wasn't healed? beats me. how close to full WAS he? neither of us know. but given his performance vs herc compared to some of his other feats against similar opponents, not very... Good - the arm part was the one in contention that I said you were wrong about. Was Superman fresh? No. Did he have any clear damage ? Also no. Did some scratches left on his face affect his ability to punch hard? Of course not. Given the fact that he wasn't without a scratch/messy you can argue that his durability would not be 100% (how much? we don't know, but even if under normal circumstances it would take Hercules 2-3 punches to KO him, it wouldn't change the fact that it's ridiculous), but the force of his punches isn't significantly diminished, just because he has scratch marks on his face. And it was both his AND Diana's punches, simultaneous, consecutive ones, that Hercules shrugged without damage.
Originally posted by leonidas
2. you do realize the reasoning you're using for cm beating herc is the same reasoning anyone can use to say cm should beat the holy f*** out of supes every time, right? i mean supes gets one-shotted by the power of a SINGLE god. cm murders superman every time, right? adam murders superman too since he has multiple god power? The fight didn't portray Hercules as stronger than Superman - I already posted the scan where Superman catches his punch, which generally in comics denotes >= strength. But what it does show is that whatever strength level Hercules is place, he has the ability to KO Superman in one hit. Does that show that he will one-shot KO Superman in each and every fight? Of course not. But the fact that he has a single long showing, and that's his average, favors him in this thread.
And also, you know..
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Originally posted by leonidas
3. speaking of insanity:
https://imgur.com/a/qUT7B
vs
https://imgur.com/a/gnHpw
this indeed is gold. the amount of punishment diana/superman took from each other and others....literally dwarfed what herc took. diana appeared to be damn near ko'd twice. and she sure as sh!t wasn't "healed". i mean seriously. neither was close to their best when herc stepped up. anyone who compares the scans can see that. it's like we're on bizarro world or something--i'm making a case for why supes was slaughtered here, and you're undermining it.
I still, for the life of me, can't understand how you think that showing Hercules:
a). Taking Hal's all out attack
b). Taking Superman and Wonder Woman, combined, punching him in the face.
c). One-shotting Superman in orbit and choking Wonder Woman with one hand
d). Taking Captain Marvel sucker punching and then beating him.
...one after another WITHOUT DAMAGE, compared to just Superman/Diana alone giving visible damage to each other, is something that you hope to prove helps your case.
You've set yourself for this trap, but you only have your logic to blame.
If you go by you, and say that prior attacks taken diminish a combatant's performance thus should be thrown out, fresh Captain Marvel beating gauntlet-style Hercules is eliminated. In fact, in this case, all of Hercules feats are muddy, since everybody is weakened, including him, in every fight. So we can just...leave the thread, since discussion is non-existent.
If you go the opposite of your logic, and say that prior attacks did nothing to Hercules - you're only reinforcing how far above marvel Hercules he is, that he can withstand the strength of Diana+Superman combined and Hal without a scratch.
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The problem with your position in this thread is that you were selective in your arguuments , selective in your memory , and thus the discussion is either A or B, thus the logic corner I posted above.
You've made it binary, one extreme or the other.
How about this: Diana and Superman, fresh, probably would've been able to take his attacks better, but that doesn't mean we dismiss the showing entirely. The durability showing, for one, can't be dismissed for the simple fact that some scratches on Diana/Superman's face doesn't mean that their punches were suddenly significantly weaker - and it was clear that Hercules durability was high just from how he no-sold Hal Jordan. And even if Superman wasn't fully healed, to be able to do that to him in one-punch is something that I can't see Hercules replicating, especially as he is simultaneously punched in the face by both Superman and Wonder Woman. For me, given these, Injustice Hercules is definitely more durable and different degrees, depending on how weakened you see Superman was, stronger.
Can you make an interpretation that is not 'Superman and Wonder Woman were damaged, so f*ck that part entirely. Hal is weak so f*ck that part, too. Shazam? Oh that definitely shows exactly how powerful Hercules is!".
Originally posted by leonidas
https://imgur.com/a/xP7JK
i'll absolutely not get into an 'injustice superman/wonder woman vs hulk' comparison here, but mortal herc (though he got his a$$ kicked in the end, rightfully so given how weakened he was in that era) showed some real balls here. a lot more than this injustice herc did. least imo.
i'll take marvel's herc here every time if forced to go off this tiny sample from injustice herc.
That's quite an awesome showing of skill and resilience, I agree.
I'll change it to Injustice Hercules two-shots him, just for that
