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1) Destroyer with the soul of a regular human vs human with power gem

2) If power gem wins, put a herald in destroyer (Thor or Loki).

Who wins?

Every PG user is different. Different beings draw from the PG at different rates.

Destroyer on average

Most likely the Destroyer. Theoretically a human with the power gem could obliterate the Destroyer easily, but as has been said..everyone is different with it. It takes a high rate of intelligence and willpower to do anything truly fancy with the gem.

So a regular human would have no chance.

Doesn't the gem make someone completely invulnerable? How would Destroyer even hurt him?

Originally posted by cdtm
Doesn't the gem make someone completely invulnerable? How would Destroyer even hurt him? It doesn't, otherwise Thor, Champion, and Drax would have never got hurt or stunned with it. Plus that's a no limit fallacy. You can only use the greatest attack that a PG user no sold (assuming every user no sold every attack against them). About Twice that would be the limit.

A person doesn't gain infinite durability since that would take infinite power. The user always draw from the PG at a finite rate.

Juggernaut gets stunned, he's still 100% invulnerable.

Originally posted by Surtur
Most likely the Destroyer. Theoretically a human with the power gem could obliterate the Destroyer easily, but as has been said..everyone is different with it. It takes a high rate of intelligence and willpower to do anything truly fancy with the gem.
No it doesn't. The Champion was a complete moron and he managed to destroy an entire planet with it with its energies.

From Thanos Quest #1:

http://i.imgur.com/E3fqA32m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/d9e9QGdm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/bOSDwcHm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/0SEm7jGm.jpg

He could also do a whole lot more if he taps into the true power of the gem:

http://imgur.com/h7hrU0Z

Originally posted by Astner
No it doesn't. The Champion was a complete moron and he managed to destroy an entire planet with it with its energies.

From Thanos Quest #1:

http://i.imgur.com/E3fqA32m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/d9e9QGdm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/bOSDwcHm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/0SEm7jGm.jpg

You didn't read the story properly.
1. Champion starts with class 100 strength without the gen.
2. Champion tapped into more and more of the PG each blow he got more angry.
He didn't start at planet destroying power. It took a while.
3. Champion didn't destroy the planet directly. He caused an instability in the core and the planet blew itself up. Still a good feat but a far cry from what you think.
4. Champion was getting hurt and stun in the beginning.

Originally posted by cdtm
Juggernaut gets stunned, he's still 100% invulnerable.
Well if Juggernaut is 100% invulnerable then it contradicts all the times that he's not.

So either you must say that all those times are PIS or
he's simply not 100% invulnerable.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Champion starts with class 100 strength without the gen.
Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. Champion tapped into more and more of the PG each blow he got more angry.
He didn't start at planet destroying power. It took a while.
Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Champion didn't destroy the planet directly. He caused an instability in the core and the planet blew itself up. Still a good feat but a far cry from what you think.
Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Originally posted by h1a8
4. Champion was getting hurt and stun in the beginning.
Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

If you're not going to address my argument, then don't quote me.

Originally posted by Astner
No it doesn't. The Champion was a complete moron and he managed to destroy an entire planet with it with its energies.

From Thanos Quest #1:

http://i.imgur.com/E3fqA32m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/d9e9QGdm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/bOSDwcHm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/0SEm7jGm.jpg

He does it by physically punching shit though. How is that an advanced use of the gems capabilities? Dude was strong, and used the gem to make himself even stronger. It is exactly because he was a moron that all he could do was amp his strength.

The gem should technically allow you to give yourself any super power imaginable. Using it to enhance the stuff you already have is merely a basic usage of the stone.

Originally posted by Astner
Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.


Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.


Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.


Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

If you're not going to address my argument, then don't quote me.

It has everything to do with the point you were making.
You are basically saying an idiot can tap into the PG enough to destroy a planet.

But the point you his missed entirely (it's about his point and not yours since you rebutted him). He's saying that an idiot or low willed can't INSTANTLY fully tap into it. This is relevant because the destroyer will kill the human instantly if they don't tap enough into the gem right after the bell.

Also you claim " destroy the planet directly ", I rebutted that.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well if Juggernaut is 100% invulnerable then it contradicts all the times that he's not.

So either you must say that all those times are PIS or
he's simply not 100% invulnerable.

Juggernauts record is pretty good, and the exceptions are obvious bad writing (Like Onslaught, where they put the physical gem in his chest, which contradicts his history, AND they wrote a very different Cytterok character from earlier showings.)

Being invulnerable doesn't make you immune to being staggered. Cain's still human, and uses his inner ear for balance.

It only means you can't sustain injury. I've never seen Thor, Drax, or Champion injured/KO'd with the gem

Plus, even "indestructible" metal constructs like Asgardian Destroyer or Adamantium Ultron get "staggered" from heavy blows by Thor, without ever taking damage.

Originally posted by Surtur
The gem should technically allow you to give yourself any super power imaginable. When was this ever shown or mentioned or hinted?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
When was this ever shown or mentioned or hinted?
It doesn't, it only augments existing powers.

@Astner
Ok I guess it's sometimes ok to refute points that have nothing to do with who wins here. A little nitpicking here and there isn't so bad.


Anyway, if the human doesn't tap into the gem fast enough then he has no chance of not getting killed. Speed is of the essence.

Is there a time limit for being in the Destroyer? Doesn't it burn your soul out or something?

I thought the power gem was supposed to give one access to all power and energy that has ever or will ever exist?

Originally posted by Surtur
I thought the power gem was supposed to give one access to all power and energy that has ever or will ever exist? The key is potentially!
Just like Hulk possesses limitless strength. It's a potential type of thing.
We have many examples of the PG not amping someone to levels of all power that ever and ever will exist.

Here are a few.
Drax being stunned, Champion being hurt, Champion not being able to bust through Thanos shields in one hit, Thor not being able to put Thanos down in one hit, Thor being stunned by Thanos, etc.

It's a rate thing. How fast can you draw energy from the gem. Each user is different.