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why not? non amped prime, then amped prime. loki is inhabiting the destroyer armor. have at thee!!1!1!

Prime. His HV could slag it, his strength could rip it apart, his speed can prevent being hit by it, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prime. His HV could slag it, his strength could rip it apart, his speed can prevent being hit by it, etc. Prime gets blasted into atoms.

SBP wins.

Normal prime would rip Destroyer apart. Much less GA SBP

Originally posted by JBL
Prime gets blasted into atoms.
Funny that a universe destroying blast from a Galactus level being didn't.

I don't think the Destroyer has the power to actually kill Prime. As durable as the destroyer, eventually Prime will break it.

Guardian Amped Prime win without a doubt. Dude took a universal explosion that destroyed whatever was in that universe and was only knocked out..

i think standard prime is a tough call tbh. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
i think standard prime is a tough call tbh. /shrug
Not really. Destroyer is tough for heralds to beat. Anyone above that and it's record is just not impressive.

without plot device, i think it's pretty much impossible for heralds to beat, unless i'm not remembering a time. what times are you talking about where it wasn't impressive? not including thor 300 for some obvious reasons....

If someone is capable to physically rip the Destroyer to pieces it's SBP, the guy who changed the center of the Universe with his bare hand, punched through the speed force, the phantom zone and reality... I don't think there is a limit to the strength of this crybaby.

Originally posted by leonidas
without plot device, i think it's pretty much impossible for heralds to beat, unless i'm not remembering a time. what times are you talking about where it wasn't impressive? not including thor 300 for some obvious reasons....
OK, name one above herald level being its beaten. Thor alone has fought it like a dozen times and other than the disintegration beam its never been able to overwhelm Thor outright. Wear him down but specifically overpowering him? Never.

Thor has singlehandedly defeated the destroyer in one instance iirc. And in another, along with thunderstrike also beat it. The destroyer also supposedly gets more powerful with each activation (stated several times) but based on its fights, that never seemed to be true.

Id actually give this fight to SBP without second guessing.

When did Thor beat it solo? The only instance I know is Thor BFRing it in Jurgens run and that's by technicality only.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did Thor beat it solo? The only instance I know is Thor BFRing it in Jurgens run and that's by technicality only.

Thor #224-225.

Originally posted by leonidas
i think standard prime is a tough call tbh. /shrug

Not really. Remember the Destroyer can get slagged by the Serpent. KT could withstand its beam without any damage.

Prime's HV was going through Superman like a hot knife through butter (like he was a ghost). Superman would have had to be more than 100 times more durable to not sustain any damage.

Destroyer isn't more than 100s of times more durable than Superman.

Also Prime is fast.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OK, name one above herald level being its beaten. Thor alone has fought it like a dozen times and other than the disintegration beam its never been able to overwhelm Thor outright. Wear him down but specifically overpowering him? Never.

you...just asked the same question i asked you.

you said he's no good beyond herald, so i asked show me. you say, who's he beaten above herald....

thor has been pummeled by the destroyer numerous times. he wins via plot device. the armor has beaten thor, karnilla and loki at the same time iirc. in the armor i know thor beat the **** out of hela--in hel. that is a very good feat. obviously maestro was toying with hulk--who'd continued to get stronger and stronger, according to narration and at the end he was still easily taken out. aside from a skyfather (thor beat it in the reigning, though in times past odin was said to be UNABLE to beat it, so, meh) and a celestial, who HAS beaten the destroyer?

In this story: https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111299631/5690548-2346502504-33191.jpg

Everyone tought the Destroyer (with Loki soul) could kill Odin.

Originally posted by leonidas
you...just asked the same question i asked you.

you said he's no good beyond herald, so i asked show me. you say, who's he beaten above herald....

thor has been pummeled by the destroyer numerous times. he wins via plot device. the armor has beaten thor, karnilla and loki at the same time iirc. in the armor i know thor beat the **** out of hela--in hel. that is a very good feat. obviously maestro was toying with hulk--who'd continued to get stronger and stronger, according to narration and at the end he was still easily taken out. aside from a skyfather (thor beat it in the reigning, though in times past odin was said to be UNABLE to beat it, so, meh) and a celestial, who HAS beaten the destroyer?

He also beat this group (including Jane): http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1469553868i/19830651._SY540_.png

Originally posted by operator616
Thor #224-225.

i've brought that up in the past. that's...a bit ambiguous. seems like the presence of the spirit's body played a role in that fight. regardless, definitely an outlier:

https://imgur.com/a/AXJeu

that has never happened before or since to my knowledge. /shrug

It's the only time Thor beat it single-handedly, other times he held his own at best, but not outright beat it. Except with thunderstrike in thor #476 i think.

Also, Odin has outright owned Destroyer several times. He even made it bow forcefully in front of him, and manipulated the life force in it several times which effectively neutralizes it. Even in the loki instance, Odin blocked Loki's mind from trillions of thought-years (whatever that means).

Regarding Hela -- for reference, Kurse (another trans level character) has been owned by Hela in her realm and she even claimed that his power is nothing compared to hers. She has done other impressive things as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OK, name one above herald level being its beaten. Thor alone has fought it like a dozen times and other than the disintegration beam its never been able to overwhelm Thor outright. Wear him down but specifically overpowering him? Never. That's not true at all

Originally posted by operator616

Also, Odin has outright owned Destroyer several times. He even made it bow forcefully in front of him, and manipulated the life force in it several times which effectively neutralizes it. Even in the loki instance, Odin blocked Loki's mind from trillions of thought-years (whatever that means).


But this speak for the Destroyer raw power. Even Odin had to find a exoteric way to beat it of just blast or punch it.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've brought that up in the past. that's...a bit ambiguous. seems like the presence of the spirit's body played a role in that fight. regardless, definitely an outlier:

https://imgur.com/a/AXJeu

that has never happened before or since to my knowledge. /shrug

It's never been overpowered outright other than by the Phoenix through seemingly esoteric means since the body was still intact. Of course the Phoenix is a universal level entity...
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FxVejAcX_Mc/WQDIeUapaVI/AAAAAAADdD8/4bmu90bauLch-qU1xbA_IxuZGYveY0M5gCLcB/s1600/067_018.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_em-8QS6Mcw/WQDIeeW-JWI/AAAAAAADdEA/O5G5UC9grV8e6N3NAOw5Dk7jomC5UCcDACLcB/s1600/067_019.jpg

The closest times would be that one in ure scan(still plot device) and the one operator mentioned, but again plot device. Thor and Thunderstrike took advantage of a pause in the fight when Blake soul was trying to break free of Hela's control and caused some kind of malfunction within. This ultimately led to Garm losing control of the Destroyer. So yeah plot device.
http://i.imgur.com/eYapanSm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ul5ZidLm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VZnh8j9m.jpg

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But this speak for the Destroyer raw power. Even Odin had to find a exoteric way to beat it of just blast or punch it.

No it only means that it's the most effective way Odin has of neutralizing the destroyer. It doesn't necessarily mean that he can't overpower it in sheer power. Because as i mentioned before, Odin has outright made the destroyer forcefully bow before him and then extracted Thor's life force from it.

http://imgur.com/a/0sL5R

It's been referenced recently that Serpent had the power to slag it.
Odin is a peer to Serpent.

KT no sold it's D beam.

Mjolnir decapitated it.

These are all showings within what SBP is capable of. If anyone disagrees then I can prove it. One at a time though.

lol

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

It's never been overpowered outright other than by the Phoenix through seemingly esoteric means since the body was still intact. Of course the Phoenix is a universal level entity...
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FxVejAcX_Mc/WQDIeUapaVI/AAAAAAADdD8/4bmu90bauLch-qU1xbA_IxuZGYveY0M5gCLcB/s1600/067_018.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_em-8QS6Mcw/WQDIeeW-JWI/AAAAAAADdEA/O5G5UC9grV8e6N3NAOw5Dk7jomC5UCcDACLcB/s1600/067_019.jpg

The closest times would be that one in ure scan(still plot device) and the one operator mentioned, but again plot device. Thor and Thunderstrike took advantage of a pause in the fight when Blake soul was trying to break free of Hela's control and caused some kind of malfunction within. This ultimately led to Garm losing control of the Destroyer. So yeah plot device.
http://i.imgur.com/eYapanSm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ul5ZidLm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VZnh8j9m.jpg

never saw the pf scans before.

i'm still not sure who wins tbh. minus plot device, sbp would need to actually disable the armor--ie--rip it apart. by narration, the armor is said to be harder than uru or adamantium due to the enchantments. could he damage that level of armor? what impact would the d-beam and the host of others powers it have on sbp? we know it's capable of destroying mjolnir with its power, so.... shrug

by narration or by handbook?

my bad, by handbook regarding the hardness of the armor.

Originally posted by leonidas
you...just asked the same question i asked you.

you said he's no good beyond herald, so i asked show me. you say, who's he beaten above herald....


Yeah, because that's the same question.





That has never happened.

Hela is a straight ***** though. Thor alone under Simonson beat the shit out of her who was the writer of that scene as well.

ermm

That's the same writer who had Storm and Cable outright kill Hulk and Thor stalemating him for hours.

Phoenix force, OF Thor, Majeston Zelia and Serpent was said to be too powerful for it.

Now tell us about the beings who it has beaten.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
That's not true at all
Can you prove otherwise?

The D-beam would kill prime.

Originally posted by JBL
The D-beam would kill prime.


It might singe his cape.

Standard sb prime wins still, but gets a little batter up in the fight.

@abhi: so how did the conflict between thor, loki and karnilla go down...?

pretty sure that was where it bowed to odin--but only because thor was animating it and was able to control it to do so. then he pulled thor out.

and regardless of writers, hela has been extremely impressive at times, even considered a peer to mephisto (i know she's beaten hell lords directly in the past), and smacking her around like she is nothing in her realm is very impressive despite your effort to make it sound like it was nothing.

ANYWAY.....

Originally posted by leonidas
without plot device, i think it's pretty much impossible for heralds to beat, unless i'm not remembering a time. what times are you talking about where it wasn't impressive? not including thor 300 for some obvious reasons....

so then how about you go ahead answer the question i asked you first? the ones you named are all skyfathers of in the case of the pf--above. you initially claimed it wasn't impressive. so, back up the claim.

Originally posted by leonidas
@abhi: so how did the conflict between thor, loki and karnilla go down...?

pretty sure that was where it bowed to odin--but only because thor was animating it and was able to control it to do so. then he pulled thor out.

and regardless of writers, hela has been extremely impressive at times, even considered a peer to mephisto (i know she's beaten hell lords directly in the past), and smacking her around like she is nothing in her realm is very impressive despite your effort to make it sound like it was nothing.

ANYWAY.....



so then how about you go ahead answer the question i asked you first? the ones you named are all skyfathers of in the case of the pf--above. you initially claimed it wasn't impressive. so, back up the claim.
Destroyer didn't beat all three at once.

Destroyer was also powered by Thor when he beat Hela who was so powerful that Destroyer actually became sentient and drew his soul in. It wasn't some normal version of Destroyer who beat Hela.

You're asking as if Prime lacks the feats to rip apart Destroyer. Him destroying Monarch itself shits on any durability feat from Destroyer.

Where are these awesome feats from Destroyer?

Originally posted by leonidas
@abhi: you initially claimed it wasn't impressive. so, back up the claim.

if you were trolling to troll, whatever. if you think it's not impressive, answer the question. what trans or lower character has ever beaten it? and why monarch? this is just standard superboy i'm talking about. you know, the one connor gave fits.

Originally posted by leonidas
if you were trolling to troll, whatever. if you think it's not impressive, answer the question. what trans or lower character has ever beaten it? and why monarch? this is just standard superboy i'm talking about. you know, the one connor gave fits.
You claim I'm trolling and then claim Conner was giving SBP fits? Do you want me to show feats from LO3W SBP? Dude ripped apart force fields created by three Brainiac 5 when entire Fatal Five including Validus and Persuader couldn't break one, laughed off Mordru, overpowered entire Legion including Superman, Mon-El, M'onel, Andromeda, Sodam Yat with the entire power of Oa etc.

LO3W SBP would ruin someone like Odin much less Destroyer.

When SBP ripped Monarch apart the amp wore off. And I'm told that the guardians are not that powerful anyway.

When I said it's not impressive outside of herald tier I meant that it has virtually zero feats beating someone outside herald tier. I don't know why that means I'm trolling though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OF Thor, Majeston Zelia and Serpent was said to be too powerful for it.

Now tell us about the beings who it has beaten.
I was excited for the PF when I saw the scans Celey posted then you go and remind me that what the PF did wasn't as impressive as it looked.

Curse you Ahbi

Prime.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When I said it's not impressive outside of herald tier I meant that it has virtually zero feats beating someone outside herald tier. I don't know why that means I'm trolling though.

that's all you had to say.

and i agree, it doesn't have many feats aside from beating down heralds repeatedly, hence why i made the thread--partially to see if any were brought to light (very few have been so far, unfortunately) and to see how far up the ladder it could climb. its certainly more powerful than kurse, who was beating the hell out of bill and thor, clearly it's above hela. you said thor was in it so maybe it was more powerful? not sure about that. didn't thor toss the hammer aside at one point claiming he had no need of it because the destroyer's power was greater anyway? or something like that.... hela's not a skyfather but she's def a hell lord so i'd say that puts her somewhere near the middle maybe? in general. which would make the destroyer high trans imo. which is about where i place prime. i'm not sure i see prime ripping the armor apart tbh. do you think he could crush mjolnir in his hands?

Originally posted by zopzop
I was excited for the PF when I saw the scans Celey posted then you go and remind me that what the PF did wasn't as impressive as it looked.

Curse you Ahbi
ha-som

PF destroyed Destroyer and then went on to get stalemating Odinson and Jane.

Go figure.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's all you had to say.

and i agree, it doesn't have many feats aside from beating down heralds repeatedly, hence why i made the thread--partially to see if any were brought to light (very few have been so far, unfortunately) and to see how far up the ladder it could climb. its certainly more powerful than kurse, who was beating the hell out of bill and thor, clearly it's above hela. you said thor was in it so maybe it was more powerful? not sure about that. didn't thor toss the hammer aside at one point claiming he had no need of it because the destroyer's power was greater anyway? or something like that.... hela's not a skyfather but she's def a hell lord so i'd say that puts her somewhere near the middle maybe? in general. which would make the destroyer high trans imo. which is about where i place prime. i'm not sure i see prime ripping the armor apart tbh. do you think he could crush mjolnir in his hands?
It really isn't impressive when it comes to above herald tier beings.

I disagree about SBP in trans tier. He is absolutely skyfather level in raw power. Just look at Sodam Yat, he has Ion and then absorbs the power of hundreds of GL rings to fight Prime.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-flhP41-fnw0/VjOah1vEWFI/AAAAAAARvr8/oP3p5C7pTfA/s1600/25_02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jhMjbHVeOO0/VjOaiKAlktI/AAAAAAARvrk/2y_0YYerwmU/s1600/25_03.jpg

He is beaten alongside entire Legion casually.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIblzM/VjOar7H-EOI/AAAAAAARvuM/BmiIRkP4_OY/s1600/25_22.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmXAU/VjOasUZLhwI/AAAAAAARvuE/gSb2x1K51YA/s1600/25_24.jpg

Even after he was essentially going bloodlusted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xvykCIyzHhU/VjOayIDBUmI/AAAAAAARvvc/sqhPDdlwf30/s1600/26_08.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fRlDCyEdg0s/VjOa09nCf1I/AAAAAAARvwI/3R45iX_idYg/s1600/26_12.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-udDYJXyqkX0/VjOa2e9SEII/AAAAAAARvwo/aiVlGyE1LF8/s1600/26_16.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BB62yxozuAE/VjOa2_oI_dI/AAAAAAARvw0/qOc6Z88cgzY/s1600/26_18.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--6Xk7pCDJE0/VjOa4e8jhPI/AAAAAAARvxc/X5CVXf5Kn5k/s1600/26_21.jpg

Again three versions of Legion along with Sodam pile on SBP and they get his asses kicked.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5xOm3JNjRGw/VjOa7ssSowI/AAAAAAARvx8/iv8D4czLN1M/s1600/26_27.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1UghjOT_9_I/VjOa7zvXB6I/AAAAAAARvyM/5YHiTg2jlOg/s1600/26_28.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZrYZFul7vI/VjOa_tOkySI/AAAAAAARvyk/R3BxCXEf6Nc/s1600/27_02.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smpo-vFnOzQ/VjOa_0aQ1KI/AAAAAAARvy0/G2Of04GrPgU/s1600/27_03.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0JG6X_F1cPM/VjObAWPqgGI/AAAAAAARvys/0woOieL1188/s1600/27_04.jpg

Destroyer would be a pile of scrap under such power.

Heck he overpowered Superman, Andromeda and M'onel while two cosmic boys tried to restrain him and he was drained by Sun Boy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V2kOyS9udZQ/VjOaqV5GctI/AAAAAAARvts/m0yGsYUOZsI/s1600/25_20.jpg

And then went on to destroy three shields created by Brainiac fives after being further drained by Shadow Lass. Not even Time Trapper or Mordru has ever broken one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIblzM/VjOar7H-EOI/AAAAAAARvuM/BmiIRkP4_OY/s1600/25_22.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZuzVO-fW3c/VjOasLP32CI/AAAAAAARvuA/LW-qlEy5zHs/s1600/25_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmXAU/VjOasUZLhwI/AAAAAAARvuE/gSb2x1K51YA/s1600/25_24.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g2F7D1eZ310/VjOat3r6nLI/AAAAAAARvu0/Iq5EUv75ueA/s1600/25_25.jpg

Nobody short of a skyfather has a chance against SBP in a straight up fight. You have to lowball every single character in Legion, Superman, Green Lanterns etc to even argue SBP is a trans tier.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Can you prove otherwise? Garm in the Destroyer armour almost beat him to death without the disintegration beam, but it's finger beams did cut through Mjolnir and he then used it to batter Thor which then cracked the mallet in half

Thor #476

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Garm in the Destroyer armour almost beat him to death without the disintegration beam, but it's finger beams did cut through Mjolnir and he then used it to batter Thor which then cracked the mallet in half

Thor #476
Almost kill Thor? That's a lot of hyperbole there.

Destroyer even ran from Thor and Thunderstrike there.

I'm curious. What is the general take on this panel?
Stating that the Destroyer armor has sufficiently provided enough protection/power to "face universal armageddon itself".

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/138579/3097734-1603444-623704_thormow_024_super.jpg

No more useful than when it was stated to be tough enough to survive a supernova.

That's called hyperbole.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No more useful than when it was stated to be tough enough to survive a supernova.

What? In the supernova case it was useful to know it could survive a supernova?

Odin is wearing a onesie

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm curious. What is the general take on this panel?
Stating that the Destroyer armor has sufficiently provided enough protection/power to "face universal armageddon itself".

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/138579/3097734-1603444-623704_thormow_024_super.jpg it sure it strong enough to face universal Armageddon itself. It just does not mean that it will win

But yeah, sometimes as readers we just have to weed out certain statements or even feats that are abnormal. In this case, it's clear the statement is hyberbole

It's most likely a reference to Ragnarok which the Asgardians technically consider as "universal armageddon". Not literally universal destruction.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Odin is wearing a onesie RomphimOriginally posted by abhilegend
Almost kill Thor? That's a lot of hyperbole there.

Destroyer even ran from Thor and Thunderstrike there. lol under different circumstances you'd agree that Thor almost got killed, then Thunderstrike plus Thor almost got handled in the next comic if it weren't for mind games. Be consistent

Originally posted by abhilegend
It really isn't impressive when it comes to above herald tier beings.

I disagree about SBP in trans tier. He is absolutely skyfather level in raw power. Just look at Sodam Yat, he has Ion and then absorbs the power of hundreds of GL rings to fight Prime.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-flhP41-fnw0/VjOah1vEWFI/AAAAAAARvr8/oP3p5C7pTfA/s1600/25_02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jhMjbHVeOO0/VjOaiKAlktI/AAAAAAARvrk/2y_0YYerwmU/s1600/25_03.jpg

He is beaten alongside entire Legion casually.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIblzM/VjOar7H-EOI/AAAAAAARvuM/BmiIRkP4_OY/s1600/25_22.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmXAU/VjOasUZLhwI/AAAAAAARvuE/gSb2x1K51YA/s1600/25_24.jpg

Even after he was essentially going bloodlusted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xvykCIyzHhU/VjOayIDBUmI/AAAAAAARvvc/sqhPDdlwf30/s1600/26_08.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fRlDCyEdg0s/VjOa09nCf1I/AAAAAAARvwI/3R45iX_idYg/s1600/26_12.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-udDYJXyqkX0/VjOa2e9SEII/AAAAAAARvwo/aiVlGyE1LF8/s1600/26_16.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BB62yxozuAE/VjOa2_oI_dI/AAAAAAARvw0/qOc6Z88cgzY/s1600/26_18.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--6Xk7pCDJE0/VjOa4e8jhPI/AAAAAAARvxc/X5CVXf5Kn5k/s1600/26_21.jpg

Again three versions of Legion along with Sodam pile on SBP and they get his asses kicked.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5xOm3JNjRGw/VjOa7ssSowI/AAAAAAARvx8/iv8D4czLN1M/s1600/26_27.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1UghjOT_9_I/VjOa7zvXB6I/AAAAAAARvyM/5YHiTg2jlOg/s1600/26_28.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZrYZFul7vI/VjOa_tOkySI/AAAAAAARvyk/R3BxCXEf6Nc/s1600/27_02.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smpo-vFnOzQ/VjOa_0aQ1KI/AAAAAAARvy0/G2Of04GrPgU/s1600/27_03.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0JG6X_F1cPM/VjObAWPqgGI/AAAAAAARvys/0woOieL1188/s1600/27_04.jpg

Destroyer would be a pile of scrap under such power.

Heck he overpowered Superman, Andromeda and M'onel while two cosmic boys tried to restrain him and he was drained by Sun Boy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V2kOyS9udZQ/VjOaqV5GctI/AAAAAAARvts/m0yGsYUOZsI/s1600/25_20.jpg

And then went on to destroy three shields created by Brainiac fives after being further drained by Shadow Lass. Not even Time Trapper or Mordru has ever broken one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIblzM/VjOar7H-EOI/AAAAAAARvuM/BmiIRkP4_OY/s1600/25_22.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZuzVO-fW3c/VjOasLP32CI/AAAAAAARvuA/LW-qlEy5zHs/s1600/25_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmXAU/VjOasUZLhwI/AAAAAAARvuE/gSb2x1K51YA/s1600/25_24.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g2F7D1eZ310/VjOat3r6nLI/AAAAAAARvu0/Iq5EUv75ueA/s1600/25_25.jpg

Nobody short of a skyfather has a chance against SBP in a straight up fight. You have to lowball every single character in Legion, Superman, Green Lanterns etc to even argue SBP is a trans tier. I like how GL rings literally freak the f*ck out when they encounter Prime:

http://i.imgur.com/Wja2NTr.jpg




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As for the thread, Prime wins.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Romphim lol under different circumstances you'd agree that Thor almost got killed, then Thunderstrike plus Thor almost got handled in the next comic if it weren't for mind games. Be consistent

ermm

Destroyer actually ran from Thor and Thunderstrike.

https://s23.postimg.org/uam9hegy3/image.jpg

But tell me where I said Destroyer almost killed Thor?

Originally posted by Galan007
I like how GL rings literally freak the f*ck out when they encounter Prime:

http://i.imgur.com/Wja2NTr.jpg




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As for the thread, Prime wins.
But versatility bro, versatility.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Destroyer actually ran from Thor and Thunderstrike.

https://s23.postimg.org/uam9hegy3/image.jpg

But tell me where I said Destroyer almost killed Thor? looks like he was told to flee by his queen.

Originally posted by JBL
looks like he was told to flee by his queen.
I wonder why.Originally posted by abhilegend
It really isn't impressive when it comes to above herald tier beings.

I disagree about SBP in trans tier. He is absolutely skyfather level in raw power. Just look at Sodam Yat, he has Ion and then absorbs the power of hundreds of GL rings to fight Prime.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-flhP41-fnw0/VjOah1vEWFI/AAAAAAARvr8/oP3p5C7pTfA/s1600/25_02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jhMjbHVeOO0/VjOaiKAlktI/AAAAAAARvrk/2y_0YYerwmU/s1600/25_03.jpg

He is beaten alongside entire Legion casually.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIblzM/VjOar7H-EOI/AAAAAAARvuM/BmiIRkP4_OY/s1600/25_22.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmXAU/VjOasUZLhwI/AAAAAAARvuE/gSb2x1K51YA/s1600/25_24.jpg

Even after he was essentially going bloodlusted.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xvykCIyzHhU/VjOayIDBUmI/AAAAAAARvvc/sqhPDdlwf30/s1600/26_08.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fRlDCyEdg0s/VjOa09nCf1I/AAAAAAARvwI/3R45iX_idYg/s1600/26_12.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-udDYJXyqkX0/VjOa2e9SEII/AAAAAAARvwo/aiVlGyE1LF8/s1600/26_16.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BB62yxozuAE/VjOa2_oI_dI/AAAAAAARvw0/qOc6Z88cgzY/s1600/26_18.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--6Xk7pCDJE0/VjOa4e8jhPI/AAAAAAARvxc/X5CVXf5Kn5k/s1600/26_21.jpg

Again three versions of Legion along with Sodam pile on SBP and they get his asses kicked.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5xOm3JNjRGw/VjOa7ssSowI/AAAAAAARvx8/iv8D4czLN1M/s1600/26_27.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1UghjOT_9_I/VjOa7zvXB6I/AAAAAAARvyM/5YHiTg2jlOg/s1600/26_28.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZrYZFul7vI/VjOa_tOkySI/AAAAAAARvyk/R3BxCXEf6Nc/s1600/27_02.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smpo-vFnOzQ/VjOa_0aQ1KI/AAAAAAARvy0/G2Of04GrPgU/s1600/27_03.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0JG6X_F1cPM/VjObAWPqgGI/AAAAAAARvys/0woOieL1188/s1600/27_04.jpg

Destroyer would be a pile of scrap under such power.

Heck he overpowered Superman, Andromeda and M'onel while two cosmic boys tried to restrain him and he was drained by Sun Boy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V2kOyS9udZQ/VjOaqV5GctI/AAAAAAARvts/m0yGsYUOZsI/s1600/25_20.jpg

And then went on to destroy three shields created by Brainiac fives after being further drained by Shadow Lass. Not even Time Trapper or Mordru has ever broken one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mj0FKoIblzM/VjOar7H-EOI/AAAAAAARvuM/BmiIRkP4_OY/s1600/25_22.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZuzVO-fW3c/VjOasLP32CI/AAAAAAARvuA/LW-qlEy5zHs/s1600/25_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9sdZc2xmXAU/VjOasUZLhwI/AAAAAAARvuE/gSb2x1K51YA/s1600/25_24.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g2F7D1eZ310/VjOat3r6nLI/AAAAAAARvu0/Iq5EUv75ueA/s1600/25_25.jpg

Nobody short of a skyfather has a chance against SBP in a straight up fight. You have to lowball every single character in Legion, Superman, Green Lanterns etc to even argue SBP is a trans tier.
Glorith with the power of Time Trapper couldn't break one force field created by Brainy.

https://s6.postimg.org/4ar6qxmr1/Untitled-_Scanned-24.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/tfi74cm7h/Untitled-_Scanned-26.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/u3mg9jvjh/Untitled-_Scanned-27.jpg

That's how powerful it is. And Mordru?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mordru orchestrates Mysa to gain full power since he was drained by Darkseid. He also gives her enough strength to oneshot J'onn.

https://s6.postimg.org/5lkpasx9t/LSH43-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/w827ww7sh/LSH43-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/8v8rs4h2p/LSH44-07.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/3rhi3x5yp/LSH44-08.jpg


Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.

https://s6.postimg.org/l0xz2ivsh/LSH44-09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/gmfuftpip/LSH44-10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/f8o7kiq9d/LSH44-11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/lmickw1gx/LSH46-01.jpg

Mordru vs Legion and Amethyst. Mordru casually tosses forces of entire stars at legion and defeats Legion+Amethyst. He is beaten when Devilon reflects his own power at Mordru.


https://s6.postimg.org/6f2d0j9m9/LSH47-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/tuka5vtdd/LSH47-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/pmphx4rxt/LSH47-19.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/pnzfqjtrl/LSH47-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/9e99nnj3l/LSH47-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/opj2o9gfl/LSH47-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ebrfmiagh/LSH47-23.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ft8akbptd/LSH47-24.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/qilzcl1m9/LSH48-02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/n2yggrtrl/LSH48-03.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ygkzrz4a9/LSH48-04.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/7mkw6hp4h/LSH48-05.jpg

Beastly.

just to add a different perspective:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's axe out of any weapon would be able to scratch the Destroyer*. It is enchanted to cut through Celestials specifically as we all know but for some context as how it is viewed by Jason Aaron, it easily cut through Apocalypse:
https://thumb.ibb.co/cQMDqF/4332284_3210318_p.jpg

Thor:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b2a4c82f1b5254b507a0b2fbb1f0a76e-c

And even damaged a fed Galactus:
https://thumb.ibb.co/hKL6AF/013.jpg

Plus some other showings in Hickman's Avengers.

On top of that being a hostless Destroyer which as we know can significantly weaken it. So the Destroyer being slightly harmed by an all out strike from a pissed off Thor directly at it's body is evidence as to why it would laugh off Superman's attack, not evidence of it's injury.

The underlined part is retarded. Here is the scan for those wondering:
https://thumb.ibb.co/eg0dPa/RCO012_1478313653.jpg

It is from Journey into Mystery #628. This was the same writer that had the collective demon horde of Marvel shitting their pants, the Serpent's Fear power allowing Mephisto to basically become the Lucifer of the Marvel Multiverse at the thought of facing the Serpent and repeatedly stress as to how unbeatable the Serpent was. I suggest people read the story arc and look at the lengths required to beat the Serpent (It took the shadow of Twilight for reality warping, Surtur destroying Dark Asgard, Thor with the Odin-Sword in combat {That's two Universal-Multiversal level plot devices plus a high end Hell Lord} and a bunch of other bullshit and tricks like the Fear and Hell Lords siphoning off his power IIRC). This all happened concurrently in Journey into Mystery and The Mighty Thor for those who are curious and want to double check anything as I don't have my issues on hand. The fact that it's even mentioned in a thread with Superman as a low showing is mind-blowing. Especially since it's a base level Destroyer.

*If you can even call it damage and for some context here is the entire fight, including it shrugging off a complete assault from both the axe and Mjolnir, the Scarlet witch, Karnilla herself, Frigga etc:
https://ibb.co/dpssja
https://ibb.co/mQ454a
https://ibb.co/jjZSHv
https://ibb.co/fussja
https://ibb.co/nz17Hv
https://ibb.co/i8JXja
https://ibb.co/jBoXja
https://ibb.co/bNfOqF

The kind of logic you would need to use that issue as evidence of Superman even scratching the armor.....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Why? It'd be extremely easy to make a solid case for the Destroyer spanking Prime's ass depending on the host.

If it was some average Joe or something, Prime would get my vote by maybe throwing him away really far or something in a huge emotional tantrum but if you put someone like Thor or Superman in it, a hero with experience and powerful spirit, he gets his ass spanked. Prime is powerful but he's also very weak willed mentally and is facing something in the same tier of strength/durability as him but with a lot more versatility, no pain, ability to heal from even complete annihilation and the potential to get very powerful (The Destroyer can absorb energy to increase it's power). I could easily see Prime getting incredibly frustrated, scared or just straight up freaked out from facing the Destroyer. The dude doesn't deal well with being on the receiving end as we've seen a few times. You don't even need to knock out Prime to beat him.

If someone wants to lowball, Prime has worse showings despite the Destroyer appearing for 50+ years now.

i tend to agree with him. still convinced this would be a helluva fight. /shrug

It would indeed be a hell of a fight. The idea that Prime effortlessly rips him apart is ridiculous depending on the host.

Originally posted by leonidas
just to add a different perspective:





i tend to agree with him. still convinced this would be a helluva fight. /shrug
You are hiding behind that pussy rage? Shame on you Leo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know why you don't. You always end up losing.



Even Odin Destroyer would be ripped apart. I dare you to make a case for Destroyer.


Haha, no. Prime would rip apart Destroyer just like he ripped apart Monarch.

Try to argue Destroyer is more powerful than Monarch. I double dare you.



crylaugh

Destroyer is in same tier and durability as Prime? What are you smoking?



He has higher showings than Destroyer can even dream off. Not that he can dream BTW.

Originally posted by Damborgson
It would indeed be a hell of a fight. The idea that Prime effortlessly rips him apart is ridiculous depending on the host.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1280764-countdown13p17.jpg

No, it is not. Not even Odin Destroyer can match the power of Monarch.

And as Thorbags want to scale power levels, here you go.

Alex Luthor recreates infinite multiverse using the magic of prime universe.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23168988/shift.jpg.html

Reiterated multiple times that the magic of main universe is the fuel.

http://i.imgur.com/eKeBHNc.jpg

Just for emphasis, it is again confirmed that Alex indeed brought the pre crisis infinite multiverse back. From Justice Society of America 20 if anyone wants to know.

https://s14.postimg.org/aj1z6d3vx/RCO019_1475954050.jpg

Mordru had absorbed entire magic of Legion universe.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mH3AQZmWS5k/VjOaWUFcJJI/AAAAAAARvoU/b3GvdBi6K_k/s1600/24_07.jpg

SBP flat out laughed at his attack. But Mordru was certainly holding back, eh?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111125835/3216693-superman+prime+magix.jpg

So did Kinetix who had absorbed the magic of her entire universe.

http://i.imgur.com/Oi7lTkp.jpg

What happened to her?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116033/3851617-91233782.jpg

Funniest thing? It's all written by one writer.

good one but hard to say , but im pretty sure ive read somewhere the destroyer armour never dies it keeps regenerating...

Never trust anything rage says.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are hiding behind that pussy rage? Shame on you Leo.

pfft. i just knew he had some showings i was missing--especially the most current stuff. one thing i'm not quite sure of is how powerful frigga is, or was considered to be in that battle. that was a damn impressive showing by the destroyer--wanda has been made into a beast he no-selling her (even chthon couldn't fully overpower her according to secret empire) is very impressive to say the least.

Originally posted by leonidas
pfft. i just knew he had some showings i was missing--especially the most current stuff. one thing i'm not quite sure of is how powerful frigga is, or was considered to be in that battle. that was a damn impressive showing by the destroyer--wanda has been made into a beast he no-selling her (even chthon couldn't fully overpower her according to secret empire) is very impressive to say the least.
Even Thor no sold her and Havok combined.

Frigga is powerful enough for Loki to almost kill her with a dagger.

Chthon is all talk and nothing for show. Give me one good showing for him.

oi, you with the low-balling..... not getting into analyzing each character involved in that fight i'm afraid. i could show amazing feats for each and you'd show some crappy showing for them, and i'm not really interested tbh. chthon has some low feats (and, oh yeah, prime does too....) but he's pretty damn powerful. i remember a thor book (or was it loki) where his power was used to banish the entirety of asgard, or to separate it at least from earth. it was clear that was a pretty uber feat. anyway, i was hoping to see more good feats from the destroyer. as it stands i don't think it would be easy, but i'd likely give this to prime still.

Originally posted by leonidas
oi, you with the low-balling..... not getting into analyzing each character involved in that fight i'm afraid. i could show amazing feats for each and you'd show some crappy showing for them, and i'm not really interested tbh.

Wait, what low showings? What did I even post which is low showing?
You're thinking of Dormammu from Thor 234.

I'm talking about a single good feat.

nah, i'm thinking about mordred--i think. didn't he use the darkhold to separate earth/asgard recently? and the darkhold is simply chthon's power.

and dude, connor, the titans....?

but like i said, not really interested. i want a comparison of both at their bestest. and at their best showings, i think this wouldn't be easy for either side. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
nah, i'm thinking about mordred--i think. didn't he use the darkhold to separate earth/asgard recently? and the darkhold is simply chthon's power.


It sent Asgard into another dimension in Mighty Avengers.

What about them? Against Superboy it's more like a psychological weakness. Connor couldn't beat him with the help of entire Legion and Sodam Yat.

Titans used red sun to Depower him and its legitimately a low showing. Not as low as space ants beating Odin and entire Asgard though.

Except you're just extrapolating Destroyer's feats. At their best Prime rips Destroyer apart.

If this is non amped prime, why feats from his GA amped version are being posted?

And yes, Destroyer was about to kill Thor in that fight: https://i.imgur.com/CLGYCo1.jpg

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
If this is non amped prime, why feats from his GA amped version are being posted?

And yes, Destroyer was about to kill Thor in that fight: https://i.imgur.com/CLGYCo1.jpg
He had spent all his amp.

By his disintegration beam. Not by brute strength.

As far i know everyone says the SBP who survived universal destruction was the one with GA.

In this image he attacked Monarch bafore it ends, dont?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
As far i know everyone says the SBP who survived universal destruction was the one with GA.

In this image he attacked Monarch bafore it ends, dont?

Yep, he still had it. The blast from Monarch took the remaining product of it.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
As far i know everyone says the SBP who survived universal destruction was the one with GA.

In this image he attacked Monarch bafore it ends, dont?
Monarch said that Prime had used up Guardian's power.

http://i.imgur.com/ja3rsZd.jpg

He was even shrinking down. The next time we see him he is SBP without any power.

Yes, Prime used up his guardian amp. He was turning back to a teenager

I thought the universal explosion merely shunted Prime to another universe?

Originally posted by Surtur
I thought the universal explosion merely shunted Prime to another universe?
No it knocked him out

Later we see the future Prime (Timetrapper) take him to the future

This is how Prime looked before the blast.

https://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/19/00/38/35/99993210.jpg
https://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/19/00/38/35/99993310.jpg

I can post after if you want me to.

Originally posted by carver9
This is how Prime looked before the blast.

https://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/19/00/38/35/99993210.jpg
https://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/19/00/38/35/99993310.jpg

I can post after if you want me to.


Once again, I rather take what is said on panel than the art

That's just me. Monarch said he was shrinking back, this was within the time of the explosion, it did not finish shrinking but the amp has worn off.

Originally posted by Surtur
I thought the universal explosion merely shunted Prime to another universe?
Nuh-uh

Bump

Those mystical creatures, we have no clue about how powerful they were so it wouldn't be a low showing like you want it to be ABHI, it's a high showing for the ghouls. It's like me bumping a thread of Flash vs Black Panther due to Cat Woman owning a gang of Flashes.

It said in bolder letters that dead Loki had power over kid Loki specifically because his form was a lie. Kid Loki was literally piloting it like a gundam and not animating it with his soul.

Magic has too much nuance for Abhil. He prefers heat vision.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It said in bolder letters that dead Loki had power over kid Loki specifically because his form was a lie. Kid Loki was literally piloting it like a gundam and not animating it with his soul.

Magic has too much nuance for Abhil. He prefers heat vision.
I guess that makes Destroyer less durable somehow.

Originally posted by carver9
Those mystical creatures, we have no clue about how powerful they were so it wouldn't be a low showing like you want it to be ABHI, it's a high showing for the ghouls. It's like me bumping a thread of Flash vs Black Panther due to Cat Woman owning a gang of Flashes.
facepalm

Wut's new here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I guess that makes Destroyer less durable somehow.



The fact that you think that scene was in anyway reflective of durability, is why you're a clown.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The fact that you think that scene was in anyway reflective of durability, is why you're a clown.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The fact that you think that scene was in anyway reflective of durability, is why you're a clown.
Oh no, tearing Destroyer apart is not a sign of durability because rage said so.

Stop the presses!!!

Destroyer wins.

Destroyer

Anyone arguing Destroyer is a clown at this point.

SBP mudstomps Destroyer, easily.

Originally posted by panthergod
Anyone arguing Destroyer is a clown at this point.

SBP mudstomps Destroyer, easily. The fact is, that the DC universe is OFFICIALLY made of matter that is much like the Cotton Candy of the Marvel universe. This has been stated as a matter of record, by Richard Smallenbalzen. But, u obviously think u know better than he, so that's that.
k dude. Im sold!
SBP takes it. He makes Destroyer his "fluffer".
And when he's done, I will pollish his Super-Balls.

odin destroyer with sword can beat ga sbp

other versions get destroyed

Abhi pwning this thread.

Originally posted by panthergod
Anyone arguing Destroyer is a clown at this point.

SBP mudstomps Destroyer, easily. Nah, prime loses.

Prime is immune to magic. "God" matches are just not good ones against him.

So being immune to magic....

If Strange (for example) made a rock out of thin air, by magic.. .and asked Hulk to throw it, would it not affect him? Extrapolate this to WW,who is magical clay.....

If Thor smashed Mjolnir down with all his might on SBP (who stood there), would it just bounce off him?

Carver actually made a good point about this before

Originally posted by Carver9
I always assumed it was just the magical qualities that he was immune to but it still carried the same force without it, just not that extra pizzazz. We've seen Zauriel hurt him for example with a punch.

Otherwise that leaves room for some no limit fallacies. For example:

Prime can't survive a multiverse being dropped on his domepiece, but he could if it was magic?

Carver could go on and on about this but Carver has to shave his chocolate legs right now.

Hard to say.

Black Adam didnt have much success pounding on Prime with his magic fists. For the most part when I see something of magic in nature trying to get a desired effect on prime, it just doesnt work.

So to answer, I assume the physical component of Mjolnir would do its job, it's still a chunk of uru after all, being swung by an elite strongman. But anything else, any magic component to it like the lightning around it would be next to useless.

Similarly with Wonder Woman I guess. Like her sword wouldn't cut him, but her punches would probably tickle a bit.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Hard to say.

Black Adam didnt have much success pounding on Prime with his magic fists. For the most part when I see something of magic in nature trying to get a desired effect on prime, it just doesnt work.

So to answer, I assume the physical component of Mjolnir would do its job, it's still a chunk of uru after all, being swung by an elite strongman. But anything else, any magic component to it like the lightning around it would be next to useless.

Similarly with Wonder Woman I guess. Like her sword wouldn't cut him, but her punches would probably tickle a bit. would that also not apply to Black Adams fists

Yeah, it did.

The magic didnt do a a thing, but the physical force behind his fists at least pushed him back a bit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So being immune to magic....

If Strange (for example) made a rock out of thin air, by magic.. .and asked Hulk to throw it, would it not affect him? Extrapolate this to WW,who is magical clay.....

If Thor smashed Mjolnir down with all his might on SBP (who stood there), would it just bounce off him? I see it as Superman's vulnerability to magic, but in the mirror.

Prime is immune to actual magic , while Superman is weak to specifically that. But objects which are made of magic but not have a magical output hurt him .

So, while Superman is weak against magical lightning, he is not weak against Black Adam/Shazam's punches itself . While Prime is immune to the magical lightning the punches are charged with, but not the actual punch itself.

Or, to make it simpler, substitute magic with transmutation. Say, Prime is immune to transmutation, but he's not immune to a knife created by transmutation .

If that makes sense...

Originally posted by Damborgson
Hard to say.

Black Adam didnt have much success pounding on Prime with his magic fists. For the most part when I see something of magic in nature trying to get a desired effect on prime, it just doesnt work.

So to answer, I assume the physical component of Mjolnir would do its job, it's still a chunk of uru after all, being swung by an elite strongman. But anything else, any magic component to it like the lightning around it would be next to useless.

Similarly with Wonder Woman I guess. Like her sword wouldn't cut him, but her punches would probably tickle a bit.

So here...I mean, the Destroyer is still pretty strong. And made of uru.

So it should still phuck him up, no?

Prime would undoubtedly rip it apart with his bare hands.

He is rip Monarch

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So here...I mean, the Destroyer is still pretty strong. And made of uru.

So it should still phuck him up, no?

If the destroyer punched prime, especially with a strong host, it would without a doubt make an impression on Prime.

But his disintergration ray would be no sold.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So here...I mean, the Destroyer is still pretty strong. And made of uru.

So it should still phuck him up, no?

He also flew right into Anti Monitors antimatter body and tanked an experienced Ion, and all the Guardians.

If he was a Decepticon, his bio would read "Superboy Prime has no known weaknesses".

Like Megatrons bio, or Predaking.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Carver actually made a good point about this before I wonder how often carv has to shave those chocolate legs of his? mmm

Originally posted by MrMind
odin destroyer with sword can beat ga sbp

other versions get destroyed I remember you.
sly

About 42 years ago. Way back, when I was alive.
Debating the structure of the Omniverse, I believe.

I thought that sun suit Prime had on always fed him energy? If that was the case, why would we even look at the showing against Adam as a norm? Also, Adam made him scream out in pain with the first punch.

Originally posted by carver9
I thought that sun suit Prime had on always fed him energy? If that was the case, why would we even look at the showing against Adam as a norm? Also, Adam made him scream out in pain with the first punch.

The comic outright says the suit was to bring his strength back to par, after the imprisonment in the speed force.

Originally posted by cdtm
The comic outright says the suit was to bring his strength back to par, after the imprisonment in the speed force. and that spells "pansy".

Originally posted by cdtm
The comic outright says the suit was to bring his strength back to par, after the imprisonment in the speed force.

The suit CONTINUOUSLY fed him sunlight. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Galan007
I wonder how often carv has to shave those chocolate legs of his? mmm

you mean how many times he has bran shave his legs for him? mmm

Originally posted by carver9
The suit CONTINUOUSLY fed him sunlight. What are you talking about?

What are YOU talking about?

Post the scans, if you think it amped him. Post where it states this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So here...I mean, the Destroyer is still pretty strong. And made of uru.

So it should still phuck him up, no?

i guess it depends on how strong you see the destroyer. stronger than thor? i think that has been established over the years. how MUCH stronger? it was shown to be far stronger than hulk when maestro inhabited the suit. what impact would repeated disintegration rays have?

i'd say classic destroyer would likely be able to win. taking in all the recent showings (and yeah the mangog showing did strike me as being not especially good...) i might lean to prime. i still think a case can be made for both.

this would make for a very fun bz imo.

Bring it Leo. Whichever side.

you've become a monster! let me think about it. my time is really limited atm. if i did do it, it would need to be spread over a longer period than normal and i'm not sure who i'd like. good cases can be made for both. at least i think they can.... shrug

They can !!

But I was just kidding this time

Originally posted by leonidas
i guess it depends on how strong you see the destroyer. stronger than thor? i think that has been established over the years. how MUCH stronger? it was shown to be far stronger than hulk when maestro inhabited the suit. what impact would repeated disintegration rays have?

i'd say classic destroyer would likely be able to win. taking in all the recent showings (and yeah the mangog showing did strike me as being not especially good...) i might lean to prime. i still think a case can be made for both.

this would make for a very fun bz imo.
What about SMP?

Dambo is on a rampage.

Unworthy Thor has given him perpetual warrior's madness.



As for the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if sbp actually damages the armor and of course vice versa. It'll be tough, but...

Originally posted by cdtm
What are YOU talking about?

Post the scans, if you think it amped him. Post where it states this.

If Hulk had a suit on that continuously fed him gamma energy, any fights with him having that suit on is irrelevant. The suit is continuously feeding him yellow sun light. Do the freaking math. It's not an average fight for him vs Adam.

Should be easy enough to post the scans saying he's amped, then.

So what happens when Superman is under a yellow sun? Does he get stronger from dawn to, say, 12 P.M., when the sun is strongest?

Does he get weaker from noon to dusk, as the sun declines?

Is Superman Escanor? Or does his strength keep to a standard power level, regardless of the position of the sun?

Superboy Prime spent weeks/months without a sun. The armor was to bring his power level back up to standard. Because, that's what the comic SAID it was doing.

If Carv can supply a scan supporting his position, I might reconsider..

Originally posted by cdtm
Should be easy enough to post the scans saying he's amped, then.

I dont need to since the suit is continuously feeding him sunlight. It's like you are not comprehending what I am saying. If the suit wasnt on, then you're lame argument would have some type of relevance but he had a power source around his body. Common sense + common sense = think for a change.

Darksaint really deserves more credit as a poster. The guys a rock, the way he keeps his composure post after post of this.

Originally posted by cdtm
So what happens when Superman is under a yellow sun? Does he get stronger from dawn to, say, 12 P.M., when the sun is strongest?

Does he get weaker from noon to dusk, as the sun declines?

Is Superman Escanor? Or does his strength keep to a standard power level, regardless of the position of the sun?

Superboy Prime spent weeks/months without a sun. The armor was to bring his power level back up to standard. Because, that's what the comic SAID it was doing.

If Carv can supply a scan supporting his position, I might reconsider..

This is actually true.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
What about SMP?

i'd give the one who fought monarch the win, unless we go back to a very specific version of the destroyer like the very early one who was supposed to be beyond odin. /shrug

Originally posted by carver9
I thought that sun suit Prime had on always fed him energy? If that was the case, why would we even look at the showing against Adam as a norm? Also, Adam made him scream out in pain with the first punch. First of all, using Prime crying out in pain when he then showed he was completely unharmed and was vastly overstating the pain to mock Black Adam is silly boy logic carver.

https://i.imgur.com/nxvS5Ai.png

Second of all, Prime is almost invariably equipped with some variation of his solar armour when he shows up, starting with Infinite Crisis. IIRC the only time he showed up without it was when Guardian Amped in Countdown to Final Crisis.

Thirdly, cdtm is actually right. His armor is not an amp. Quite the opposite in fact. During occasions where he is wearing it but hasn't actually fed on real yellow sunlight, he seems to be weaker.

https://i.imgur.com/pFg1Dxx.png

"This sinner must starve for God's gracious light. Why else would he still be wearing that harness? "
"Zauriel is correct. He's been locked away on Oa for over a year. His Kryptonian cells have yet to fully recharge."

Even Prime's assurance that he is "nearly" whole still acknowledges that he isn't quite up to his full level of power. And in fact, given context, one could easily surmise that Prime is downplaying how low his power reserves are given his actions in the fight. Namely, making a beeline east for the sunrise to get back to full power.

https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png

Which is supported by how, once he actually gets a touch of real sunlight on his hand, he easily overpowers the horde of heroes literally dogpiling him, including heavy hitters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, Supergirl, and Power Girl.

https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png

Regardless, however you choose to interpret these scans, there is no argument to be made that SBP's suit amps him above his natural maximum power level. There's nothing supporting that my friend.

Originally posted by NemeBro
First of all, using Prime crying out in pain when he then showed he was completely unharmed and was vastly overstating the pain to mock Black Adam is silly boy logic carver.

https://i.imgur.com/nxvS5Ai.png

Second of all, Prime is almost invariably equipped with some variation of his solar armour when he shows up, starting with Infinite Crisis. IIRC the only time he showed up without it was when Guardian Amped in Countdown to Final Crisis.

Thirdly, cdtm is actually right. His armor is not an amp. Quite the opposite in fact. During occasions where he is wearing it but hasn't actually fed on real yellow sunlight, he seems to be weaker.

https://i.imgur.com/pFg1Dxx.png

"This sinner must starve for God's gracious light. Why else would he still be wearing that harness? "
"Zauriel is correct. He's been locked away on Oa for over a year. His Kryptonian cells have yet to fully recharge."

Even Prime's assurance that he is "nearly" whole still acknowledges that he isn't quite up to his full level of power. And in fact, given context, one could easily surmise that Prime is downplaying how low his power reserves are given his actions in the fight. Namely, making a beeline east for the sunrise to get back to full power.

https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png

Which is supported by how, once he actually gets a touch of real sunlight on his hand, he easily overpowers the horde of heroes literally dogpiling him, including heavy hitters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, Supergirl, and Power Girl.

https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png

Regardless, however you choose to interpret these scans, there is no argument to be made that SBP's suit amps him above his natural maximum power level. There's nothing supporting that my friend.

This post doesnt make one bit of sense. The suit was obviously powering him up... its literally said in the scans you've posted and then, that is a completely different suit...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/81557-6300-superboy-prime.jpg

Again, if something is feeding you your power source, CONTINOUSLY, then any showings while this item is on becomes irrelevant. Cant get any simpler than this. I know you like Prime but he was wearing something that was feeding him power.

Typical carver, the armor was only for keeping him powered up after he was severely weakened.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Typical carver, the armor was only for keeping him powered up after he was severely weakened.

So it wasnt feeding him yellow sunlight?

Originally posted by carver9
This post doesnt make one bit of sense. The suit was obviously powering him up... its literally said in the scans you've posted and then, that is a completely different suit...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/81557-6300-superboy-prime.jpg

Again, if something is feeding you your power source, CONTINOUSLY, then any showings while this item is on becomes irrelevant. Cant get any simpler than this. I know you like Prime but he was wearing something that was feeding him power. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/920/dc2.gif

The source, very clearly, states that at best, Prime is nearly whole wearing the suit. Not twice as whole, not whole and a half, but nearly.

As far as it being a different suit, you're going to have to prove that for some reason the second suit is worse than the first one. Good luck doing that.

Why are you trying so hard to discredit him being punched by Adam by the way? It's not even a particularly impressive feat by the character's standards. What's your motive?

Originally posted by carver9
So it wasnt feeding him yellow sunlight? Does the sun not?

Originally posted by NemeBro
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/920/dc2.gif

The source, very clearly, states that at best, Prime is nearly whole wearing the suit. Not twice as whole, not whole and a half, but nearly.

As far as it being a different suit, you're going to have to prove that for some reason the second suit is worse than the first one. Good luck doing that.

Why are you trying so hard to discredit him being punched by Adam by the way? It's not even a particularly impressive feat by the character's standards. What's your motive?

He was nearly whole due to him being weakened before facing the heroes. The suit was replenishing his power which is the reason he was almost fully powered. If it wasnt for the suit, he would have still been depleted. You're reading the scan completely wrong and you are helping my argument. Then, like I've said before, the suits are not the same. You are posting a completely different armor.

Originally posted by carver9
So it wasnt feeding him yellow sunlight?
facepalm

He is not at full power when wearing the armor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

He is not at full power when wearing the armor. In Sinestro Corps War he definitely wasn't. Infinite Crisis, who can say? Though he had been wearing the suit for quite a bit longer in SCW than in IC IIRC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

He is not at full power when wearing the armor.

When is he at full power?

Originally posted by NemeBro
In Sinestro Corps War he definitely wasn't. Infinite Crisis, who can say? Though he had been wearing the suit for quite a bit longer in SCW than in IC IIRC.

Why is he wearing the suit?

been here for 14 years, still stupid as fuk, just pick up a comic dude

I get what you're saying Carv.

If Prime has a suit that's feeding him sunlight, and he's already at normal levels, then anything that suit feeds him is surplus and therefore, an amp.

I just dont think that was the intention behind him wearing the suit is all. After all, he came off as noticeably better without it in SCW. Just from natural sunlight.

Originally posted by MrMind
been here for 14 years, still stupid as fuk, just pick up a comic dude

Please go sit in the corner.

Prime.

Originally posted by carver9
Why is he wearing the suit? carver, the others here might be willing to humor you but I'm not. You read my post, and unless you're a retard you know very well why he was wearing the suit.

Just so we're clear, I am leaning towards you being a retard.

You're right on point Damborgson. What I am simply saying is, if something is consistently feeding you your power source, we have to factor that into the scenario. This is a simple concept. Would he have performed just as good if the suit wasnt a factor. Even in the scan Nemebro posted, he was near his full power due to the suit and once the sun came out, it filled in that missing piece that he needed to take him to his full power.

This is why people consistently tried to take the suit off of him, they knew it was helping him. He even cries here when he realize he lost his powers.

"My powers are gone. Taking me through the that red sun DESTROYED MY ARMOR". He is literally admitting the armor is a factor on his power level...

https://m.imgur.com/a/9YrML