Superman punches the Trans Tier

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
What indestructible metal has he dented?
Diana's bracers. Inertron, promethium etc.Originally posted by Damborgson
I don't remember any instance of the destroyer getting damaged by anything less than Celestials and maybe the Phoenix Force recently. I highly doubt that punch alone would punch a hole in the armor.

Maybe dent it, but I see no reason to believe it would straight up break. Originally posted by Damborgson
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for being Superman and his **** limits way of being.
Compare this.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dd_gl7.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dd_gl8.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dd_gl9.jpg

And.

http://i.imgur.com/jFeQsxH.jpg

And to this.

http://i.imgur.com/ax1vSYCm.jpg

How many of these do you think are more durable than Superboy Prime?

JBL

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. You are crazy.
Are you sure?

Damborgson

Originally posted by abhilegend
Diana's bracers. Inertron, promethium etc.
Compare this.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dd_gl7.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dd_gl8.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dd_gl9.jpg

And.

http://i.imgur.com/jFeQsxH.jpg

And to this.

http://i.imgur.com/ax1vSYCm.jpg

How many of these do you think are more durable than Superboy Prime?

Those are great but they're not like the minimum requirements for ko'ing those characters, they just happen to be what did it.

And did Superman KO prime under normal healthy circumstances ? All I remember when when they were both weakened, which suffice to say, skews things a bit.

The destroyer on the other hand, has easily taken Mjolnir's best and to my knowledge only has one showing of breaking as mentioned before.

abhilegend

Originally posted by JBL

You are an idiot as always. Post some interviews and DC wikis though. That always works.

Adam Grimes

The shockwave from punching Prime kills the rest

abhilegend

Originally posted by Damborgson
Those are great but they're not like the minimum requirements for ko'ing those characters, they just happen to be what did it.

Doomsday was merely koed by a Guardian committing suicide and Guardians have some of the most beastly showings for skyfathers. Heck at that time the GL CPB was just a portion of their own powers.

http://i.imgur.com/vcrRxT8h.jpg

A minor psychic imprint by Krona had Hal seeing everything in cosmos and he could fix everything as well.

http://i.imgur.com/44osYZLh.jpg

Superman never went all out against Prime though. He was always trying to redeem him.

Jarnjborn recently cut it. Thor's hammer shot is fine and dandy but its not comparable to an all out punch from Superman that kills Doomsday.

Insane Titan

Yeah all survive, anything other is just pure fanboy bias

Damborgson

Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday was merely koed by a Guardian committing suicide and Guardians have some of the most beastly showings for skyfathers. Heck at that time the GL CPB was just a portion of their own powers.

http://i.imgur.com/vcrRxT8h.jpg

A minor psychic imprint by Krona had Hal seeing everything in cosmos and he could fix everything as well.

http://i.imgur.com/44osYZLh.jpg

Superman never went all out against Prime though. He was always trying to redeem him.

Jarnjborn recently cut it. Thor's hammer shot is fine and dandy but its not comparable to an all out punch from Superman that kills Doomsday.

Yeah, but he also had an extra layer of protection on him, so it becomes fuzzy. Not weak by any means, but that doesn't make it like baseline, this is what it takes to KO doomsday, you know what I'm saying?

So he's never KO'd him, okay.

Did it? I've looked at that scan a lot trying to notice a scratch lol. Didn't seem like it was damaged, just that Thor was saying he'd wear it down eventually or something. Maybe not, but all out Thor trying to save the Earth giving it all he's got has by comparison damaged Mangog, and fazed 8th day Juggernaut, but didn't put a scratch on the destroyer. It was plenty.

Just doesn't seem likely that he'd punch right through it, not enough evidence.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah, but he also had an extra layer of protection on him, so it becomes fuzzy. Not weak by any means, but that doesn't make it like baseline, this is what it takes to KO doomsday, you know what I'm saying?

The blast destroyed GL ring.

Doomsday didn't have any protection from the blast.

Its the only time he was koed before Radion killed him so yes, that's his baseline.

Really?

Both Mangog and Juggernaut don't compare to Doomsday. An amped (by city electrical grid) Iron man put Mangog to his knees by comparison. Thor didn't actually harm Juggernaut.

And Thor did damage Destroyer's arm.

Not really. Loki said Serpent would make scrap of Destroyer. By comparison even a burnt out Imperiex Probe tanked omega beams of Darkseid and combined blasts of Quintessence. Superman was punching through them like nothing.

Destroyer is tough but not that tough.

Pillow Biter

Superman's unique kind of dynamism means that he has rarely, if ever, punched someone with 100% of his power--under many writers, he literally does not know ho to or cannot do this voluntarily.

Similarly, different writers would ascribe different power levels to all-out Superman even if he could access his full strength. Wildly different.

So this is almost as hard to answer as the same question involving Hulk would be.

DarkSaint85

The probe that was turned into the Entropy Armour was also modded with Apokoliptian tech. It's not pure Imp tech

riv6672

^^^which is why some posters are going:
Originally posted by Damborgson
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for being Superman and his **** limits way of being.
Which is fine.
As long as they dont flip on the posters who ARENT giving Supes the nod, based on the reasoning you laid out.

I mean, saying Supes can punch a hole in the Destroyer because we've never 'seen' him punch 'as hard as he can' is a lot less playsible than saying he cant, based on the Destroyer's documented showings.

Pillow Biter

Best answer is to admit the mystery around Supes' true top end. And then focus on any portrayals where he might have been able to do some real damage here. Frankly, there aren't many portrayals where he'd say crack the Destroyer. But there have probably been a couple, like when he wrecked Diana's bracers in an alyernate timeline under Loeb. Batman had just been killed and Loeb basically said that Superman would have punched through anything at that moment.

abhilegend

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The probe that was turned into the Entropy Armour was also modded with Apokoliptian tech. It's not pure Imp tech
To control it. Otherwise it was pure Imperiex tech.

carver9

abhilegend

Why should I? It's not like you are going to change your mind.

riv6672

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Best answer is to admit the mystery around Supes' true top end. And then focus on any portrayals where he might have been able to do some real damage here. Frankly, there aren't many portrayals where he'd say crack the Destroyer. But there have probably been a couple, like when he wrecked Diana's bracers in an alyernate timeline under Loeb. Batman had just been killed and Loeb basically said that Superman would have punched through anything at that moment.
Anything at DC, maybe.

Magnon

Superboy Prime is the only one that could survive. Superman is as strong as he needs to be to save the day; it is a part of his concept.

A punch that kills Doomsday is a punch that would also kill Thanos etc. Unless Thanos still has that no-dying curse from Death. In which case he would continue living as a detached head.

riv6672

Originally posted by Magnon
A punch that kills Doomsday is a punch that would also kill Thanos etc.
No.

carver9

Originally posted by Magnon
Superboy Prime is the only one that could survive. Superman is as strong as he needs to be to save the day; it is a part of his concept.

A punch that kills Doomsday is a punch that would also kill Thanos etc. Unless Thanos still has that no-dying curse from Death. In which case he would continue living as a detached head.

Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, they are as strong as they need to be. With that said, each of them take turns punching a hole clean through Doomsday. I enjoy THIS concept.

thumb up

DarkSaint85

Would love to see what a competent Carver is like.

Can't wait for Phildo to step up.

riv6672

Originally posted by carver9
Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, they are as strong as they need to be. With that said, each of them take turns punching a hole clean through Doomsday. I enjoy THIS concept.

thumb up

This is what MBs were like circa 2000, with page after page of
'character A wins...because he's character A!'
'No way.'
'Yes way!'
Which is why we have rules now.

carver9

Originally posted by riv6672
This is what MBs were like circa 2000, with page after page of
'character A wins...because he's character A!'
'No way.'
'Yes way!'
Which is why we have rules now.

Yep!!! It's amazing tbh. I wonder why all characters don't get this kind of love. Hal punching through Krono. Whatever the writer want these characters to do, they will do it. Spiderman is a prime example of this.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by abhilegend
To control it. Otherwise it was pure Imperiex tech.

Does it have the ability to absorb, nullify and reflect energy?

abhilegend

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Does it have the ability to absorb, nullify and reflect energy?
Who? In every appearance it boasted the power of a part of Imperiex just like the probes.

It didn't say I have power of Apokolips tech.

cdtm

Originally posted by Damborgson
https://m.imgur.com/xC64j2d

Superman punches the follow characters with his 100% last ditch effort shot that he used on Doomsday. How well do they take it?

Thanos

Kurse

Sadam Yat Ion

Superboy Prime

Destroyer Armor (normal human soul)

Mangog

Spite thread against trans tierers. thumb down

Khazra Reborn

They all live, some are ko'd, some are unphased.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who? In every appearance it boasted the power of a part of Imperiex just like the probes.

It didn't say I have power of Apokolips tech.

I didn't ask any of that. I asked if it has the ability to absorb and nullify energy as stated below and can it also generate force shields?:

Originally posted by Galan007
The Entropy Aegis armor is capable of absorbing and nullifying "ALL" energies. That's why Superman's HV, Steel's repulsor blast, and Darkseid's Omega Beams were completely ineffectual against it:

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea1.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea2.jpg

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea8.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea9.jpg

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The EA is able to rend space and time. This ability enabled Steel to bust into Superman's 'cosmic trial' (which, per Spectre, was being held in a place outside of time):

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea3.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea4.jpg

This display of power shocked the Quintessence.

---

It can also generate entropy rifts:

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea7.jpg

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The EA can manifest force shields (of which were apparently capable of blocking attacks from the Quintessence):

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea5.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ea6.jpg

Are the probes themselves shown able to do these things?

tkitna

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
They all live, some are ko'd, some are unphased.

This

Galan007

Originally posted by Damborgson
I don't remember any instance of the destroyer getting damaged by anything less than Celestials and maybe the Phoenix Force recently. King Thor busted a hole in the Destroyer as well, but I don't know if that's canon. /shrug

Damborgson

Originally posted by abhilegend
The blast destroyed GL ring.

Doomsday didn't have any protection from the blast.

Its the only time he was koed before Radion killed him so yes, that's his baseline.

Really?

Both Mangog and Juggernaut don't compare to Doomsday. An amped (by city electrical grid) Iron man put Mangog to his knees by comparison. Thor didn't actually harm Juggernaut.

And Thor did damage Destroyer's arm.

Not really. Loki said Serpent would make scrap of Destroyer. By comparison even a burnt out Imperiex Probe tanked omega beams of Darkseid and combined blasts of Quintessence. Superman was punching through them like nothing.

Destroyer is tough but not that tough.

A crash can destroy a helmet, that still means the crash hit the helmet first.

No, that just means he was KO'd by it. Doesn't mean that's the minimum. I've never been knocked out in my life, but if a bus hit me, there's a good chance I'll be out or dead. That doesn't mean that's the minimum it takes to knock me out, as cool as that would be. It's just what happens to have done it.

That wasn't intended to be snarky, it was just an affirmation lol.

All it did was knock him over, and it could be argued he wasn't expecting that kind of blast from him.
http://imgur.com/1ED04M6

Shouldn't be held against him any more than this:

https://trollmaggy.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/2417883-fnfmaximadoomsday3.jpg?w=760

I can't tell from the scene, just looks like some sparks came off it.

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/5434181-destroyer+jrnb2.png

Regardless, Jarnbjorn is a hax weapon anyway. It's a celestial killer afterall.

The serpent had all the Marvel pantheons scared to face him, had Hell Lords making plans on how to deal with his arrival. But except for breaking Cap's shield he didn't seem to live up the hype all that well.

Yeah, but that's not all that broke probes.

Surtur

Originally posted by JBL
So supermans punch has more power than Thor and bills hammer? Lol

Apparently a punch from Superman is more powerful than getting hit by Thor who is experiencing warrior madness and wielding the power gem.

EDIT: I am aware he wasn't suffering true WM, but he was experiencing something similar to it.

Damborgson

He was totally unhinged, not holding back status and their were some vague implications that his madness was fueling his power or something.

Surtur

Originally posted by Damborgson
He was totally unhinged, not holding back status and their were some vague implications that his madness was fueling his power or something.

Yeah, and all it did was give Thanos a bloody nose. He definitely won't be killed by this punch.

h1a8

Originally posted by Surtur
Apparently a punch from Superman is more powerful than getting hit by Thor who is experiencing warrior madness and wielding the power gem.

EDIT: I am aware he wasn't suffering true WM, but he was experiencing something similar to it.
Thor had no WM at all. This was said by Odin himself.
It doesn't matter as that Thor wasn't more than 2x more powerful than regular Thor.

Insane Titan

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor had no WM at all. This was said by Odin himself.
It doesn't matter as that Thor wasn't more than 2x more powerful than regular Thor. let's see your actual proof backing up these numbers.

Surtur

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor had no WM at all. This was said by Odin himself.
It doesn't matter as that Thor wasn't more than 2x more powerful than regular Thor.

Didn't Odin also state he was suffering from something very much like WM?

DeadpoolXXX

Originally posted by Galan007
King Thor busted a hole in the Destroyer as well, but I don't know if that's canon. /shrug destroyers helmet was off iirc. king thor struck the hosts head not the armor itself iirc

DeadpoolXXX

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor had no WM at all. This was said by Odin himself.
It doesn't matter as that Thor wasn't more than 2x more powerful than regular Thor. he wasnt in true warrior madness. thor was also bearly tapping into the power gem against thanos. thanos did say that if the fight continued thor would start tapping into it more and more and thanos stood no chance against that.

Galan007

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
destroyers helmet was off iirc. king thor struck the hosts head not the armor itself iirc Nope. Desak was wearing the *full* armor -- helm and all. An amped hammer-throw from KT shredded the armor(and Desak) like a hot knife through butter:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35556279_12.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35556289_13.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35556300_14.jpg

*But again, I'm not sure where 'The Reigning' timeline stands in terms of canonicity, so I don't know if that showing counts against the Destroyer... /shrug

Damborgson

Durr. And I wank that scene all the time.

At the end of reigning King Thor reunites Olsen with King Thor. Thor later references the events of reigning during Ragnarok, and for all intentions and purposes, it was the same timeline as 616, it was just prevented from happening.

So while its not canon to 616, because its listed as universe 3515 or whatever, they were all the same characters.

TheHulkster

The only thing is that the Destroyer armor seems to only cover the parts of Desak's torso that were not already covered with armor.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/10268/332974-111110-desak.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HsjmPD2olSs/T7xS3LTpkMI/AAAAAAAAbzA/PziXcd23hWo/s1600/thor51.gif

The green armor is Desak's original armor, which is what is around his neck. The hammer seems to decapitate him.

http://i.imgur.com/hJFZHvU.jpg

So the only armor that may have been actually shredded or ripped is the part around the neck in order to decapitate him and that part is Desak's original armor. That is, unless I am missing something.

Galan007

You can see the helmet on just before Thor throws Mjolnir:
https://s26.postimg.org/t838x5qfd/image.jpg

You can see the helmet on just before Mjolnir strikes him:
https://s26.postimg.org/zaavnnevd/image.jpg

You can see a gaping hole in the Destroyer afterward.
https://s26.postimg.org/696je8ufd/image.jpg

And earlier in the issue we saw the *entirety* of Desak's torso/arms/neck/face/head was covered by the Destroyer:
https://s26.postimg.org/lx7ql1a15/image.jpg

2+2=4. smart

leonidas

lol yeah, and to add to the feat--he's throwing the hammer straight through the disintegration ray.... helluva feat for kt right there. thumb up

and per our canon/non-canon discussion, i think it's fully viable for forum use.

eaebiakuya

This was the weakest thing that damaged the Destroyer armor.

But imo it was a high end odinforce attack. King Thor failed to damage Desak several times...and in this time, it just worked in a amped Desak.

Damborgson

Desak, a being who is immune to god magic no less.

TheHulkster

Well, it appears that originally the colorist portrayed the old green armor around Desak's neck and began coloring it Destroyer grey the next issue:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/c/ca/Desak_Sterixian_%28Earth-3515%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091112220406

carver9

What does Thor ft have to do with Supes?

Galan007

It shows what type of force is required to break the Destroyer(which IS in this thread.) thumb up

carver9

Originally posted by Galan007
It shows what type of force is required to break the Destroyer(which IS in this thread.) thumb up

Superman fist isn't Mjlonir.

Mindset

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fist isn't Mjlonir. Wait, what?

Why has no one told me this before?

abhilegend

Originally posted by Damborgson
A crash can destroy a helmet, that still means the crash hit the helmet first.

The guardian's blast vaporized the ring before it ripped open space time and koed him.

That's just speculation. What we know that its the minimum that has ever koed him.

Seriously? He is stunned by that blast.

Except Doomsday is up and punching Maxima on the very next page. But I'm glad you think DOS Doomsday is equal to Mangog.

You are obviously not paying attention.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/5434182-destoyer+jrnb1.png

Due to a specific enchantment. Not that its sharp enough, but it failed on mjolnir under the same writer.

Cap's shield is more durable than Destroyer's armor so I don't see how that's a rebuttal.

A single probe held off Mordru too who is absolutely a skyfather level being.

LordofBrooklyn

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
They all live, some are ko'd, some are unphased.

DEMONIC LIES!!!!

carver9

Can't see any of them. Not one.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fist isn't Mjlonir.

Especially tossed by Skyfather Thor. We had already seen it dent Cap's shield and the strike against the Destroyer/Desak merger appears to be a dials up to 15 strike from a more experienced Skyfather Thor.

carver9

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Especially tossed by Skyfather Thor. We had already seen it dent Cap's shield and the strike against the Destroyer/Desak merger appears to be a dials up to 15 strike from a more experienced Skyfather Thor.

thumb up

DarkSaint85

Jarnbjorn failed against Power Man, IIRC.

It's hardly Celestial plus against non Celestials.

Damborgson

Originally posted by abhilegend
The guardian's blast vaporized the ring before it ripped open space time and koed him.

That's just speculation. What we know that its the minimum that has ever koed him.

Seriously? He is stunned by that blast.

Except Doomsday is up and punching Maxima on the very next page. But I'm glad you think DOS Doomsday is equal to Mangog.

You are obviously not paying attention.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/5434182-destoyer+jrnb1.png

Due to a specific enchantment. Not that its sharp enough, but it failed on mjolnir under the same writer.

Cap's shield is more durable than Destroyer's armor so I don't see how that's a rebuttal.

A single probe held off Mordru too who is absolutely a skyfather level being.

But it was there right? The defenses got destroyed but they were still there to start.

That's not speculation, that's a logical conclusion. Hence the bus example. It's not meant to diminish, because there's no diminishing the feat, but if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly you're trying to hype the punch up by saying it's > an exploding guardian or something and that's just not right by any standard. The explosion could very well be an overkill on Doomsday, not the bare minimum.

He was up and talking on the same page. /shrug and he was getting up on the next panel. Stunned would be more or less what Konvikt did to Superman.

Yet Doomsday was sent flying and put on his back. It doesn't mean anything, but neither does the Iron Man/Mangog showing.

Ah, didn't remember that scan, good feat for Jarnbjorn. It might be because of the enchantment that gives it such ease, but it's damaged Celestial armor without it as well.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/4337778-apocalypse+vs+thor+3.jpg

So it's got a hell of a bite when Thor's swinging hard enough.

Because a shield doesn't move or punch or blast. It's the difference between a slab of adamantium and Ultron for a lesser comparison. And the difference between the armor and the shield isn't so great it's night and day.

Galan007

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fist isn't Mjlonir. Look at this detective over here... none

Again, we were just discussing the forces that have damaged the Destroyer in the past. I certainly never compared a punch from Superman to an amped Mjolnir-throw from King Thor, lol. srsly

Philosoph�a

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jarnbjorn failed against Power Man, IIRC. thumb up

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/35620358_Jarnbjorn.jpg

TheHulkster

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jarnbjorn failed against Power Man, IIRC.

It's hardly Celestial plus against non Celestials.

Pretty much. This common description seems accurate:

Forged by Dwarves, Jarnbjorn is naturally sharper than almost any Earthly weapon, and can cut virtually anything. In addition, Jarnbjorn has a charm placed on it that makes it indestructible, and it can be used to defend against any attack, even bursts of energy like Apocalypse's optic beam. Thanks to Thor's own enchantment, Jarnbjorn can pierce the armor of Celestials or created using Celestial technology.

LordofBrooklyn

Originally posted by carver9
Can't see any of them. Not one.

YOUR GAMMITE PERVERSION BLINDS YOU TO THE TRUTH, BLASPHEMER!!!!

carver9

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
YOUR GAMMITE PERVERSION BLINDS YOU TO THE TRUTH, BLASPHEMER!!!!

laughing out loud

...why do I have to be a gammite though?

TheHulkster

Originally posted by carver9
laughing out loud

...why do I have to be a gammite though?

Check your PM.

carver9

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Check your PM.

Checking now.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by carver9
Checking now.

I sent two.

Galan007

Dick AND butthole!?

DAMN... carv won't be able to resist. ermmnone

eaebiakuya

A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.

A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.

Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack?

h1a8

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.

A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.

Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack? It wasn't casual, it was with might.

Con games I see.

Damborgson

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.

A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.

Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack?

Because Jarnbjorn recently cut it I guess. That destroyer was pretty low end as far as his history goes.

burrrrrr

Thanos: Gets a bloody nose, smiles, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw.

Kurse: Gets knocked down and stands right back up. Supe's gets scared.

Sodam Yat Ion: KO'd

Superboy Prime: Gets a bloody nose, whines about it, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw

Destroyer Armor (normal human soul): Unharmed. Supes gets disintegrated

Mangog: Laughs it off

thumb up

abhilegend

Originally posted by Damborgson
But it was there right? The defenses got destroyed but they were still there to start.

I'm not sure you understand how GL rings work. And how much power it takes to destroy a ring.

The ring was destroyed, Doomsday had no protection from the blast.

Except it was literally a weaker Doomsday who only got koed by it.

Superman actually killed a stronger Doomsday than the one the Guardian failed to kill.

K, how about this one.

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29582818_Thunderstrike_005-006-AnPymGold-Empire.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29582836_Thunderstrike_005-008-AnPymGold-Empire.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29582843_Thunderstrike_005-009-AnPymGold-Empire.jpg

Doomsday was sent flying but was unhurt. Mangog was visibly stunned.

erm

Apocalypse is always a *****.

Yet failed to cut through chi field of power man. C'mon man.

Yes, it is that great.

abhilegend

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
A casual blast from King Thor destroyed the cap shield.

A high end blast from King Thor was not enough to defeat Desak. To beat him/Destroyer, he had to attack with even more power.

Why it is more durable than the destroyer armor, since the weakest thing that destroyed the armor was a high end skyfather attack?
Desak+Destroyer doesn't equates to Destroyer's own durability. It's like saying normal Destroyer can do what Odin Destroyer can.

h1a8

Originally posted by burrrrrr
Thanos: Gets a bloody nose, smiles, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw.

Kurse: Gets knocked down and stands right back up. Supe's gets scared.

Sodam Yat Ion: KO'd

Superboy Prime: Gets a bloody nose, whines about it, and proceeds to break Supe's jaw

Destroyer Armor (normal human soul): Unharmed. Supes gets disintegrated

Mangog: Laughs it off

thumb up

I disagree. Especially considering that DD is arguably as durable, almost as durable, and more durable than some of these characters.

In particular, DD is more durable than Thanos, Yat, and Kurse.
He's just as durable as Mangog (looking at full history and not just SA).
He's almost as durable as Destroyer and Prime.

I can be wrong but if I am then my estimates are not far off.
Superman has some of the greatest strength feats in comics. He has done some astronomical insane things.

abhilegend

Oh the Marvel fanboys.

JBL

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Oh the Marvel fanboys. Is it possible that you are a DC fanboy because you want superman to win in everything? Just a thought.

Damborgson

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not sure you understand how GL rings work. And how much power it takes to destroy a ring.

The ring was destroyed, Doomsday had no protection from the blast.

Except it was literally a weaker Doomsday who only got koed by it.

Superman actually killed a stronger Doomsday than the one the Guardian failed to kill.

K, how about this one.

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29582818_Thunderstrike_005-006-AnPymGold-Empire.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29582836_Thunderstrike_005-008-AnPymGold-Empire.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29582843_Thunderstrike_005-009-AnPymGold-Empire.jpg

Doomsday was sent flying but was unhurt. Mangog was visibly stunned.

erm

Apocalypse is always a *****.

Yet failed to cut through chi field of power man. C'mon man.

Yes, it is that great.

I'm not sure you know how protection works. Green Lantern rings generate with them a protective field do they not? And he had a power ring when the explosion went off right?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5525539-1637320297-g9qPL.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5525540-3038753728-8kcv7.jpg

The guardians are even telling him to wait for the charge of the ring to drain. The explosion did indeed destroy the ring, and the protection it provided with it, but that's still protection. Not to mention Doomsday was adapting to that type of energy already.

It's a great feat though, I guess I don't know the point you're trying to make with it is all. Are you suggesting Superman's fist is > An exploding Guardian?

Because by that logic: The destroyer > Phoenix Force. Seeing as how a single blast from the armor killed Thor while a couple blasts from the Phoenix Force merely KO'd Thor.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsDestroyer41.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/3197844-secret_avengers-zone__010.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118094/2998258-secret+avengers-zone++011.jpg

What about it? Is getting stunned for less than a page spread by Thor of all people a low showing now? Thor did indeed stun Mangog, it's kind of his thing to punch above his weight class. Iron Man, knocked Mangog over a little and it's right there on the page.

Yet he's clad in Celestial armor. And Thor still damaged it. And that Apocalypse was hitting hard enough to take young Thor's head off, but it's interesting to see you dismiss arguments by attacking the character lol.

Do I have to explain that characters with enough appearances will have a variety of showings? You know how to properly discuss these things, put some effort in.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Damborgson
I'm not sure you know how protection works. Green Lantern rings generate with them a protective field do they not? And he had a power ring when the explosion went off right?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5525539-1637320297-g9qPL.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5525540-3038753728-8kcv7.jpg

The blast destroyed the ring hence no protection was there for Doomsday. And old GL rings did not have auto fields, they only worked when there was mortal danger.

You're still not comprehending the scene. The ring didn't automatically protected wearers before zero hour.

All out Superman? Yes, considering Roger Stern wrote that annual with Doomsday and Guardians and was one of the chief writers of DOS.

Don't be carver. Destroyer fought Thor for a whole issue there and those are from different writers.

If you want to compare who tanked what attacks, you shouldn't compare Thor to Superman. Trust me, you will not win that.

No, but he stunned Mangog. Superman couldn't even hurt Doomsday before he went all out.

Mangog is visibly stunned, not just knocked over.

That was more like a scratch. Thor specifically enchanted the axe because he couldn't cut the armor.

What does that has to do with the durability of the armor?

Young Thor shrugged off the axe embedded in his chest in the very same comic.

I do. Perhaps you don't hence comparing Destroyer and Phoenix force comparison.

Damborgson

Originally posted by abhilegend
The blast destroyed the ring hence no protection was there for Doomsday. And old GL rings did not have auto fields, they only worked when there was mortal danger.

You're still not comprehending the scene. The ring didn't automatically protected wearers before zero hour.

All out Superman? Yes, considering Roger Stern wrote that annual with Doomsday and Guardians and was one of the chief writers of DOS.

Don't be carver. Destroyer fought Thor for a whole issue there and those are from different writers.

If you want to compare who tanked what attacks, you shouldn't compare Thor to Superman. Trust me, you will not win that.

No, but he stunned Mangog. Superman couldn't even hurt Doomsday before he went all out.

Mangog is visibly stunned, not just knocked over.

That was more like a scratch. Thor specifically enchanted the axe because he couldn't cut the armor.

What does that has to do with the durability of the armor?

Young Thor shrugged off the axe embedded in his chest in the very same comic.

I do. Perhaps you don't hence comparing Destroyer and Phoenix force comparison.

The rings defenses didn't have auto fields back then, okay understood. But...a guardian exploding wouldn't be...a mortal danger? Not to mention Doomsday was feeding and adapting to the energies being shot at him. At the very least a cushion to the attack. Or does adapting to the energies hurled at you not do that?

Superman's fist > Guardian's exploding, got you.

Destroyer fighting the destroyer and getting hit by his fists, didn't lower his durability to being cooked. Because even while near comatose, he survived the blast from the Phoenix while not the destroyers.

You point me in the direction of where using different writers and comparing showings across stories is wrong, and I'll desist. Until then, you don't get to dismiss showings because you don't like them.

So that's a great showing for Thor, not a poor showing for Mangog. He bull rushed into his stomach, he tore a hole in Glory with the same tactic.

No he wasn't, he just got knocked over. You're arguing against what happened on panel, take a moment and realize this.

You can see the indent where it pierced into the armor, what type of scratches have you gotten? Again, Thor surviving that axe, isn't some low showing or whatever you're trying to say, that's just a good damage soak feat for Thor, and decent piercing for Jarnbjorn.

You're making up rules to fit you're argument and you're not going to stop until you start foaming at the mouth like most threads, figures. And laughing out loud

@ You bringing up Carver. You're not better than him. thumb up

abhilegend

And I really like how it's the same "You think Superman can do THAT?" and yes "Thor/Surfer/random marvel character can do THAT and how dare you use my logic at me".

Funniest shit ever.

h1a8

Originally posted by Damborgson
The rings defenses didn't have auto fields back then, okay understood. But...a guardian exploding wouldn't be...a mortal danger? Not to mention Doomsday was feeding and adapting to the energies being shot at him. At the very least a cushion to the attack. Or does adapting to the energies hurled at you not do that?

Superman's fist > Guardian's exploding, got you.

Destroyer fighting the destroyer and getting hit by his fists, didn't lower his durability to being cooked. Because even while near comatose, he survived the blast from the Phoenix while not the destroyers.

You point me in the direction of where using different writers and comparing showings across stories is wrong, and I'll desist. Until then, you don't get to dismiss showings because you don't like them.

So that's a great showing for Thor, not a poor showing for Mangog. He bull rushed into his stomach, he tore a hole in Glory with the same tactic.

No he wasn't, he just got knocked over. You're arguing against what happened on panel, take a moment and realize this.

You can see the indent where it pierced into the armor, what type of scratches have you gotten? Again, Thor surviving that axe, isn't some low showing or whatever you're trying to say, that's just a good damage soak feat for Thor, and decent piercing for Jarnbjorn.

You're making up rules to fit you're argument and you're not going to stop until you start foaming at the mouth like most threads, figures. And laughing out loud

@ You bringing up Carver. You're not better than him. thumb up

Why is knocking Mangog out a great showing for Thor and not a weak showing for Mangog? Thor couldn't effect Mangog in the past. Did Thor get stronger or Mangog got weaker?

Why is flying through Glory impressive? It didn't appear super durable (more like soft material) when Thor flew through. I could be wrong, so I ask for a rational.

Also, to prove it wasn't a great feat for Thor (the Mangog feat)is that we can upper estimate the force Thor hit Mangog with. Just look at Thor's speed and the mass of Mjolnir and Thor together. Superman throwing a punch at light speed would have astronomically more force.

JBL

Originally posted by h1a8
Why is knocking Mangog out a great showing for Thor and not a weak showing for Mangog? Thor couldn't effect Mangog in the past. Did Thor get stronger or Mangog got weaker?

Why is flying through Glory impressive? It didn't appear super durable (more like soft material) when Thor flew through. I could be wrong, so I ask for a rational.

Also, to prove it wasn't a great feat for Thor (the Mangog feat)is that we can upper estimate the force Thor hit Mangog with. Just look at Thor's speed and the mass of Mjolnir and Thor together. Superman throwing a punch at light speed would have astronomically more force. Show a scan of superman punching at light speed.

carver9

Originally posted by JBL
Show a scan of superman punching at light speed.

Remember, H1 ask for durability and speed showings from other characters but when it comes to the characters he is debating for, his false math is all that matter. With that said, he isn't going to provide you a single punching ft because he feels like he doesn't need too due to it being his pet.

JBL

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are an idiot as always. Post some interviews and DC wikis though. That always works. An idiot is one that thinks superman can beat one hundred thousand daxamites.

abhilegend

Originally posted by JBL
An idiot is one that thinks superman can beat one hundred thousand daxamites.
Are you still butthurt over a probe beating 100,000 daxamites?

TheHulkster

If I made a thread entitled "Superman vs 100,000 Daxamites", would it be a spite thread or legitimate?

Rao Kal El

The butthurt of the Daxamites incident is focusing on the wrong target.

If people are going to cry about it, like JBL does all the time, he should direct his complains to DC. Abhi and the others are only the messengers and not the source of the feat. The feat happened and is part of the DC mythos now, deal with it. If you don't like it complain to the DC department ------------------->>>>> that way.

Or maybe JBL should complain with his big shot "Superman writer friend" laughing out loud

Just saying!

abhilegend

Originally posted by TheHulkster
If I made a thread entitled "Superman vs 100,000 Daxamites", would it be a spite thread or legitimate?
OWAW Superman?

TheHulkster

Originally posted by abhilegend
OWAW Superman?

Absolutely.

abhilegend

Go ahead.

abhilegend

I like how you made the thread on herochat.

http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=15890.0

laughing out loud

carver9

It's obvious why he did that. Think about it.

panthergod

What a coward.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by panthergod
What a coward.

Then you or Abhi start it since since neither of you accept the lopsidedness of it and can argue that it's non-intentional.

eaebiakuya

Originally posted by Damborgson
Because Jarnbjorn recently cut it I guess. That destroyer was pretty low end as far as his history goes.

Where?

Not here:http://i.imgur.com/yzJpjxZ.jpg

Or even here: http://i.imgur.com/2LtKUZB.jpg

Thor can say what he want, but he dont made anything in the armor.

And i desagree about it being low end. The Destroyer beat a large group of beings, including jane and odinson. Also, it was the first time " Thor" broke or hurt his arm by justing punching it: http://i.imgur.com/d5SMJIx.jpg

After that the Destroyer just defeated Gladiator and his son with ease in a short period of time...and the armor was not damaged by the Phoenix (even tought it was KOed).

eaebiakuya

Originally posted by abhilegend
Desak+Destroyer doesn't equates to Destroyer's own durability. It's like saying normal Destroyer can do what Odin Destroyer can.

But it was the weakest thing that damaged the armor...ever?

Take that off, you have Celestials.

Then i ask again, why the shield is stronger? Because of what feats?

I know for sure that break or dent the Shield is a thing that a Skyfather can do without effort. Not sure if i can say the same about the Destroyer

eaebiakuya

Originally posted by h1a8
It wasn't casual, it was with might.

Con games I see.

It seens casual for me: https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128311/4068207-2f0oi.jpg

Regular eye blast.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by abhilegend

And Thor did damage Destroyer's arm.

Not really. Loki said Serpent would make scrap of Destroyer. By comparison even a burnt out Imperiex Probe tanked omega beams of Darkseid and combined blasts of Quintessence. Superman was punching through them like nothing.

Destroyer is tough but not that tough.

This isn't so much as addressed to you but for others so they have some context.

Thor's axe out of any weapon would be able to scratch the Destroyer*. It is enchanted to cut through Celestials specifically as we all know but for some context as how it is viewed by Jason Aaron, it easily cut through Apocalypse:
https://thumb.ibb.co/cQMDqF/4332284_3210318_p.jpg

Thor:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b2a4c82f1b5254b507a0b2fbb1f0a76e-c

And even damaged a fed Galactus:
https://thumb.ibb.co/hKL6AF/013.jpg

Plus some other showings in Hickman's Avengers.

On top of that being a hostless Destroyer which as we know can significantly weaken it. So the Destroyer being slightly harmed by an all out strike from a pissed off Thor directly at it's body is evidence as to why it would laugh off Superman's attack, not evidence of it's injury.

The underlined part is retarded. Here is the scan for those wondering:
https://thumb.ibb.co/eg0dPa/RCO012_1478313653.jpg

It is from Journey into Mystery #628. This was the same writer that had the collective demon horde of Marvel shitting their pants, the Serpent's Fear power allowing Mephisto to basically become the Lucifer of the Marvel Multiverse at the thought of facing the Serpent and repeatedly stress as to how unbeatable the Serpent was. I suggest people read the story arc and look at the lengths required to beat the Serpent (It took the shadow of Twilight for reality warping, Surtur destroying Dark Asgard, Thor with the Odin-Sword in combat {That's two Universal-Multiversal level plot devices plus a high end Hell Lord} and a bunch of other bullshit and tricks like the Fear and Hell Lords siphoning off his power IIRC). This all happened concurrently in Journey into Mystery and The Mighty Thor for those who are curious and want to double check anything as I don't have my issues on hand. The fact that it's even mentioned in a thread with Superman as a low showing is mind-blowing. Especially since it's a base level Destroyer.

*If you can even call it damage and for some context here is the entire fight, including it shrugging off a complete assault from both the axe and Mjolnir, the Scarlet witch, Karnilla herself, Frigga etc:
https://ibb.co/dpssja
https://ibb.co/mQ454a
https://ibb.co/jjZSHv
https://ibb.co/fussja
https://ibb.co/nz17Hv
https://ibb.co/i8JXja
https://ibb.co/jBoXja
https://ibb.co/bNfOqF

The kind of logic you would need to use that issue as evidence of Superman even scratching the armor.....

leonidas

NOW you bring out that sh!t?? where were you when i had the superboy prime vs destroyer thread going?? mad

TheHulkster

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This isn't so much as addressed to you but for others so they have some context.

Thor's axe out of any weapon would be able to scratch the Destroyer*. It is enchanted to cut through Celestials specifically as we all know but for some context as how it is viewed by Jason Aaron, it easily cut through Apocalypse:
https://thumb.ibb.co/cQMDqF/4332284_3210318_p.jpg

Thor:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b2a4c82f1b5254b507a0b2fbb1f0a76e-c

And even damaged a fed Galactus:
https://thumb.ibb.co/hKL6AF/013.jpg

Plus some other showings in Hickman's Avengers.

On top of that being a hostless Destroyer which as we know can significantly weaken it. So the Destroyer being slightly harmed by an all out strike from a pissed off Thor directly at it's body is evidence as to why it would laugh off Superman's attack, not evidence of it's injury.

The underlined part is retarded. Here is the scan for those wondering:
https://thumb.ibb.co/eg0dPa/RCO012_1478313653.jpg

It is from Journey into Mystery #628. This was the same writer that had the collective demon horde of Marvel shitting their pants, the Serpent's Fear power allowing Mephisto to basically become the Lucifer of the Marvel Multiverse at the thought of facing the Serpent and repeatedly stress as to how unbeatable the Serpent was. I suggest people read the story arc and look at the lengths required to beat the Serpent (It took the shadow of Twilight for reality warping, Surtur destroying Dark Asgard, Thor with the Odin-Sword in combat {That's two Universal-Multiversal level plot devices plus a high end Hell Lord} and a bunch of other bullshit and tricks like the Fear and Hell Lords siphoning off his power IIRC). This all happened concurrently in Journey into Mystery and The Mighty Thor for those who are curious and want to double check anything as I don't have my issues on hand. The fact that it's even mentioned in a thread with Superman as a low showing is mind-blowing. Especially since it's a base level Destroyer.

*If you can even call it damage and for some context here is the entire fight, including it shrugging off a complete assault from both the axe and Mjolnir, the Scarlet witch, Karnilla herself, Frigga etc:
https://ibb.co/dpssja
https://ibb.co/mQ454a
https://ibb.co/jjZSHv
https://ibb.co/fussja
https://ibb.co/nz17Hv
https://ibb.co/i8JXja
https://ibb.co/jBoXja
https://ibb.co/bNfOqF

The kind of logic you would need to use that issue as evidence of Superman even scratching the armor.....

Good stuff Rage!

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by leonidas
NOW you bring out that sh!t?? where were you when i had the superboy prime vs destroyer thread going?? mad

I'm not even debating anything with Abhil (No point), just informing people on some context.

Why? It'd be extremely easy to make a solid case for the Destroyer spanking Prime's ass depending on the host.

If it was some average Joe or something, Prime would get my vote by maybe throwing him away really far or something in a huge emotional tantrum but if you put someone like Thor or Superman in it, a hero with experience and powerful spirit, he gets his ass spanked. Prime is powerful but he's also very weak willed mentally and is facing something in the same tier of strength/durability as him but with a lot more versatility, no pain, ability to heal from even complete annihilation and the potential to get very powerful (The Destroyer can absorb energy to increase it's power). I could easily see Prime getting incredibly frustrated, scared or just straight up freaked out from facing the Destroyer. The dude doesn't deal well with being on the receiving end as we've seen a few times. You don't even need to knock out Prime to beat him.

If someone wants to lowball, Prime has worse showings despite the Destroyer appearing for 50+ years now.

leonidas

you know what, ima bump the thread because i knew i was missing some info in trying to defend the armor. i'll post that recent showing, and if you don't mind, your quote. don't wanna drag you into anything you don't wanna be dragged into, but, frankly, you know the character better than i do and i at least want to balance out some of the opinion in that thread. because i thought--and still do--it was a fairly even battle. /shrug

Damborgson

Originally posted by abhilegend
The ring didn't have that as it was destroyed.

So he was able to adapt and grow stronger. Not that he was doing anything else.

Great logic right there bro.

Hey, are you trying to say Destroyer>Phoenix force? Because unlike what you are trying to do with Superman and a guardian, Phoenix punked Destroyer like nothing just recently.

And it wasn't a oneshot kill shot as you're trying to portray.

It's not wrong, it's straight disengeneous. Trust me, Thor got nothing if I start throwing around Superman high end feats.

laughing out loud

So Thor>Mangog >glory?

Yeah, right. He isn't on his back with a stunned look.

Right bro.

So Thor's skin, Apocalypse Armor and Destroyer's skin are fairly similar in durability then, right?

And why did Thor flee if he already cut Apocalypse armor?

What rules am I making up?

I'm better than you though.

Yet it was clearly doing something to help Doomsday, as the Guardians wanted for it run out of energy before making their move.

Yes, which again makes the feat fuzzy, as good as it is. It's not like he was adapted to superman's fists before he was killed. Well according to your logic the destroyer's blasting power should be > Phoenix's whether he lost or not.

It might as well have been, it doesn't matter if someone is beaten senseless before getting a bullet put in them, the bullet is still what did it.

That next part isn't even relevant to the post so I'm not sure if you were actually replying or you're trying to start a feat war, either way it doesn't make sense.

That next part is you just being purposely dumb. Obviously not, it's just a similar tactic and it affected Mangog more than Glory so...stop.

He was on his back and literally getting up in the next panel, someone's never been stunned before. Stunned is this:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111202308/4474491-2065857-novathor60ua.jpg

a flash KO is this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/577205-trinity03013.jpg

and this is getting knocked over:
http://imgur.com/1ED04M6

And where do you see a stunned face? laughing out loud

His face isn't even clearly drawn.

I'm not going to you how to debate Abhi, if you keep pulling stuff like that. thumb up

3 people cut by the same source doesn't mean = durability. It should be beneath you to act like you don't know thumb up

Read the comic.

"I'm better than you, and this comic book forum thread is my evidence." laughing out loud

Take your meds. thumb up

------------------

TL;DR Point being, the armor's not breaking. And I have yet to see something sway me otherwise.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This isn't so much as addressed to you but for others so they have some context.

Are you done blowing your wad?

laughing out loud

Its funny how you think that's something unique.

That's by Rick Remender. And he had Thor tank the axe strike by one of Apocalypse twins.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-31O4YoLAuiM/Uw7o897rW6I/AAAAAAAA2eE/rMoyY0YsvAA/s1600/-018.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c3NmPx8FRQw/Uw7o97JGI-I/AAAAAAAA2eU/6vhIyHexRgQ/s1600/-020.jpg

And the axe repeatedly unable to cut mjolnir.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dtfAsNlkFhs/Uw7o32LH0TI/AAAAAAAA2cg/pjCYRp_8w64/s1600/-006.jpg

Thor was a ***** under Aaron at that time.

Alternate reality plus its not like Galactus is some kind of cosmic badass who never gets damaged.

I'm quite sure you know them all.

WTF are you talking about? Destroyer was inhabited by Cul, a skyfather level being.

Superman would punch through destroyer like a cardboard if Thor and his axe can damage it.

Exactly like Imperiex probe except without any feats. A random probe stalemated Mordru, no sold omega beams by Darkseid and even no sold combined attack of Quintessence after tearing through space and time. Even 5D djinns like Thunderbolt pissed their pants at the thought of simply entering Imperiex's ship.

But bitchass hell lords are something now, huh?

laughing out loud

Universal-multiversal, high end hell lord? WTF are you talking about?

The same Serpent destroyer was damaged by Thor and his axe. So Thor>>>Hell Lords, multiversal plot devices, huh?

Yes, Serpent Destroyer was quite powerful. It isn't Serpent Destroyer here if you don't read.

Do you want me to start throwing around Superman feats. It would end with you bitching and moaning as always.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not even debating anything with Abhil (No point), just informing people on some context.

I know why you don't. You always end up losing.

Even Odin Destroyer would be ripped apart. I dare you to make a case for Destroyer.

Haha, no. Prime would rip apart Destroyer just like he ripped apart Monarch.

Try to argue Destroyer is more powerful than Monarch. I double dare you.

crylaugh

Destroyer is in same tier and durability as Prime? What are you smoking?

He has higher showings than Destroyer can even dream off. Not that he can dream BTW.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yet it was clearly doing something to help Doomsday, as the Guardians wanted for it run out of energy before making their move.

Yes, which again makes the feat fuzzy, as good as it is. It's not like he was adapted to superman's fists before he was killed. Well according to your logic the destroyer's blasting power should be > Phoenix's whether he lost or not.

The guardian said it was adapting to their power. Doomsday adapted against Superman by becoming stronger and more durable too.

Don't be ridiculous. First it was from a different writer and written years apart. Its like arguing a ship mast hits harder than phoenix because it put Thor into coma.

No, it might not have been. There is no comparison between a bullet and disintegration beam.

ermm

I'm trying to start a feat war here?

Mangog didn't get a hole put through his stomach, did he?

Mangog is on his back with arms up and being stunned. But yeah, this is more like a KO.

http://s6.postimg.org/vx8njl84t/Thunderstrike_005_017_An_Pym_Gold_Empire.jpg

Right?

If only you had a tool named zoom.

But that's exact same thing you're trying to do.

Already did.

Take lotions for that butthurt.

Of course you don't. It can be Lucifer Morningstar and Thorbags would still argue how Destroyer is indestructible.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know why you don't. You always end up losing.

Even Odin Destroyer would be ripped apart. I dare you to make a case for Destroyer.

Haha, no. Prime would rip apart Destroyer just like he ripped apart Monarch.

Try to argue Destroyer is more powerful than Monarch. I double dare you.

crylaugh

Destroyer is in same tier and durability as Prime? What are you smoking?

He has higher showings than Destroyer can even dream off. Not that he can dream BTW.

So, the Odin Destroyer would get ripped apart by Prime? Bruh.

Iyo, who exactly can defeat Prime? Aside from Superboy, the Teen Titans, a Flash etc.?

Prime piercing Monarch's containment shell =/= Prime ripping apart the Destroyer. What kind of reasoning is that? The Destroyer is not a brittle containment armor meant to keep the Quantum Field in check but whatever. I just wanted to address the point.

You seem to think Prime would one-shot the Destroyer or something. I'll agree to disagree. smile

abhilegend

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So, the Odin Destroyer would get ripped apart by Prime? Bruh.

What bruh? Odin Destroyer was punching hard enough to destroy worlds and could tank supernovas.

Got slagged by Celestials and then matched in strength by a young Thor in Thor: Man of War. What exactly is so impressive about it?

Should I start bringing up Odin losing to space ants and dying by providing power to a single world? Or a powerless Masterson Thor stunning Loki in Odin's body with one mjolnir shot?

Skyfathers can't beat Prime. Even Mordru and Kinetix amped on entire universe's worth of magic were unable to even hurt Prime.

So brittle that it simultaneously stomped 52 Captain Atoms, multiple Supermen, green lanterns etc? Held enough power to destroy entire universe and frighten entire Monitor race?

And Prime ripped Monarch's suit apart. Not just pierced it.

Not oneshot but ripping it apart? Yes, absolutely.

abhilegend

Hey Rage, you want power scaling, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And as Thorbags want to scale power levels, here you go.

Alex Luthor recreates infinite multiverse using the magic of prime universe.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23168988/shift.jpg.html

Reiterated multiple times that the magic of main universe is the fuel.

http://i.imgur.com/eKeBHNc.jpg

Just for emphasis, it is again confirmed that Alex indeed brought the pre crisis infinite multiverse back. From Justice Society of America 20 if anyone wants to know.

https://s14.postimg.org/aj1z6d3vx/RCO019_1475954050.jpg

Mordru had absorbed entire magic of Legion universe.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mH3AQZmWS5k/VjOaWUFcJJI/AAAAAAARvoU/b3GvdBi6K_k/s1600/24_07.jpg

SBP flat out laughed at his attack. But Mordru was certainly holding back, eh?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111125835/3216693-superman+prime+magix.jpg

So did Kinetix who had absorbed the magic of her entire universe.

http://i.imgur.com/Oi7lTkp.jpg

What happened to her?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116033/3851617-91233782.jpg

Funniest thing? It's all written by one writer.

Odin alone is that powerful, huh? What about Galactus?

Surtur

Originally posted by carver9
What does Thor ft have to do with Supes?

One of the people Supes is punching is Thanos. Thor suffering from something like WM and using the power gem only managed to draw some blood from Thanos.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Surtur
One of the people Supes is punching is Thanos. Thor suffering from something like WM and using the power gem only managed to draw some blood from Thanos.
And? Thing recently did more damage than that.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/34735846/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_2015-_019-024.jpg.html

And you thought Darkseid had it bad, huh?

TheHulkster

Originally posted by Surtur
One of the people Supes is punching is Thanos. Thor suffering from something like WM and using the power gem only managed to draw some blood from Thanos.

Non-Odinpowered.

cdtm

Thanos just hasn't been the same post Starlin.

abhilegend

Originally posted by cdtm
laughing

Thanos just hasn't been the same post Starlin.

Even Starlin had mere fungus control him just recently.

laughing out loud

leonidas

Originally posted by abhilegend
And? Thing recently did more damage than that.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/34735846/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_2015-_019-024.jpg.html

And you thought Darkseid had it bad, huh?

lol

ben is just that sweet. thumb up

btw where is that from?

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by leonidas
lol

ben is just that sweet. thumb up

btw where is that from?

Classic Ben has literally smashed Thanus' testicles:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123678/3996760-8840396442-Warlo.jpg

Look at the blood. Look at it, leo.

Surtur

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Non-Odinpowered.

Indeed, but Superman still isn't going to be punching significantly harder than Thor with the power gem suffering from something very much like WM.

Originally posted by cdtm
laughing

Thanos just hasn't been the same post Starlin.

Lol yeah, either Thing has gotten a massive strength upgrade or Thanos has been severely downgraded in power.

So I actually agree now. If Thanos and his current power levels are truly this pitiful it is NOT silly to say he dies in one hit.

Surtur

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Classic Ben has literally smashed Thanus' testicles:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123678/3996760-8840396442-Warlo.jpg

Look at the blood. Look at it, leo.

It's not just Thing, Thor seems to have zapped Thanos in the balls with lightning prior to Thing going all clobberin' time on the testes of the titan.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by Surtur
So I actually agree now. If Thanos and his current power levels are truly this pitiful it is NOT silly to say he dies in one hit.

Where has this been shown outside of a comic written by Bendis?

And Thanos weakened and dying from illness.

Insane Titan

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where has this been shown outside of a comic written by Bendis?

And Thanos weakened and dying from illness. you're wasting your time trying to teach the retards.

Hell one of the scans is a pre death amp Thanos and the only other real low showing are from a single writer.

Diesldude

If Superman tries they disintegrate, otherwise they turn into sloppy goo like IT's post steroid cycle manboobs.

eaebiakuya

Superman in this thread cant do nothing to Destroyer. His punch is not in the same level as peak odinforce attack (weakest thing that destroyed the armor).

And still no proof that cap shield is harder than the armor.

cdtm

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Superman in this thread cant do nothing to Destroyer. His punch is not in the same level as peak odinforce attack (weakest thing that destroyed the armor).

And still no proof that cap shield is harder than the armor.

He shattered the Aegis vambraces.

Those things are supposed to be indestructible. They redirected a multi-pantheon blast of energy.

abhilegend

Originally posted by leonidas
lol

ben is just that sweet. thumb up

btw where is that from?
Guardians of Galaxy 19. It's even in the link. Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where has this been shown outside of a comic written by Bendis?

And Thanos weakened and dying from illness.
Where is Thanos said to be dying under Bendis?

abhilegend

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Superman in this thread cant do nothing to Destroyer. His punch is not in the same level as peak odinforce attack (weakest thing that destroyed the armor).

And still no proof that cap shield is harder than the armor.
Except, nobody is saying he outright destroys the armor.

Insane Titan

Originally posted by Diesldude
If Superman tries they disintegrate, otherwise they turn into sloppy goo like IT's post steroid cycle manboobs. typical response if someone who's jealous of someone else and insecure about their own weak body.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you're wasting your time trying to teach the retards.

Hell one of the scans is a pre death amp Thanos and the only other real low showing are from a single writer.

Yep. Ewing wrote Thanos at the same time, yet only Bendis represents Thanos currently to them. Bendis did the same to Nefaria. That's how he writes teambusters. When Ewing flashbacked on Thanos's defeat, he showed itdifferently.

That which Starlin wrote is recent and he showed his typical dominant Thanos. The fungus Abhi keeps bringing up is the power of an apparent multiversal entity that brought thousands of universes into its collective. He is trying trying to make the poor writing of a washed up writer appear as a low showing.

TheHulkster

Originally posted by abhilegend
Guardians of Galaxy 19. It's even in the link.
Where is Thanos said to be dying under Bendis?

No one said "under Bendis" although it fits within the timeline.

Insane Titan

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yep. Ewing wrote Thanos at the same time, yet only Bendis represents Thanos currently to them. Bendis did the same to Nefaria. That's how he writes teambusters. When Ewing flashbacked on Thanos's defeat, he showed itdifferently.

That which Starlin wrote is recent and he showed his typical dominant Thanos. The fungus Abhi keeps bringing up is the power of an apparent multiversal entity that brought thousands of universes into its collective. He is trying trying to make the poor writing of a washed up writer appear as a low showing. true. The thing is when people try to use such examples like these they just come across sad and desperate.

You mean Abhi is cherry picking and ignoring context, that's totally unheard of!