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How are you classing "power"? Versatility? Area of effect? Mastery of a specific power/ability?

For example, Magneto can affect the entire planet, if given enough time, but Quicksilver's speed is so great that he could blitz and kill Magneto 10x over before the latter could even think of doing anything.

And then you have characters like Apocalypse and Legion, who are far more versatile than someone like Magneto, but also haven't shown comparable range to him.

Magneto-Destroyed San Francisco, Sydney, was stated to have been capable of destroying everything built by humanity since the Bronze age, could lift stadiums, hurl metal without enough force to vaporize it, lifted the Golden gate bridge, stopped missiles well before his prime etc.

Phoenix-Lifted tons of water in the OT, disintegrated Apocalypse who was holding off all of Xmen/engaging Xavier in a telepathic battle (before she was aware of her power), matter manipulation, telekinesis, just a massive powerset

Legion-Could disintegrate armored troops, capable of freezing time/dragging minds to the astral plane, pyrokinesis, capable of engaging/stalemating a psychic entity that was fully aware of his powers while still learning of his potential.

Shadow King-Capable of freezing time, disintegrating soldiers with a gesture, transmutation, dragging minds to the Astral plane, telekinetically killing minds in the Astral plane, etc.

Professor Xavier-Currently the strongest telepath in the mythos capable of contacting 4.5 billion people (At the time of Apocalypse), could suppress Jean's animalistic Phoenix side in the (OT), defeated Shadow King in a telepathic battle at some point, was declared a weapon of Mass destruction at some point after DOFP

Apocalypse-Capable of lifting pyramids telekinetically, destroyed Cairo and reformed it as a pyramid with telekinesis, shields capable of repelling tons of metal, lightning/Cyclops optic blasts, teleportation, capable of transmutating individuals into the ground/forming objects like Magneto's helmet/morphing people into sand, could unlock the potential of mutants.

Sebastian Shaw-Absorbed the energy of an atomic bomb??, absorbed a grenade explosion etc. There might be some stuff I'm leaving out.

Quicksilver-Moved faster than an explosion that destroyed the Xmen mansion, different calcs for this and I honestly suck at math

But those are the mutants that stand out the most. We also have the Strucker Kids, Polaris, and the New mutants coming out which all might rank up there after their portrayals

Originally posted by carthage
Legion-Could disintegrate armored troops, capable of freezing time/dragging minds to the astral plane, pyrokinesis, capable of engaging/stalemating a psychic entity that was fully aware of his powers while still learning of his potential.

He also showed high-level tk (soldier pillar and shaking the entire Clockworks building), telepathic sensing (could detect Oliver and Shadow King over long distances and sense where they were heading, without the aid of something like Cerebro), telepathic clairvoyance (able to hear his sister's spoken words over long distances), matter manipulation (when he turned the room doors at Clockworks into solid walls), teleportation (of both himself and others, at various points), sound manipulation (when Shadow King used his powers to remove sound from the real world to stop the others from communicating), force-field generation (during his finale head on clash with Shadow King), and heightened awareness/reflexes (when he caught 5 point-blank machine gun bullets with his back turned).

And the crazy thing about David is that, even at the end of S1, he'd only been actively training with his powers for about 6 weeks. So, he is still very much a noob.

Though, just with the Xavier planet-message thing, the dialogue implies that Apocalypse temporarily amped him, in a similar manner to how Cerebro does, to achieve the feat. IIRC, he said something like, "You don't need Cerebro. You have me."

Originally posted by carthage
Magneto-Destroyed San Francisco, Sydney, was stated to have been capable of destroying everything built by humanity since the Bronze age, could lift stadiums, hurl metal without enough force to vaporize it, lifted the Golden gate bridge, stopped missiles well before his prime etc.

Phoenix-Lifted tons of water in the OT, disintegrated Apocalypse who was holding off all of Xmen/engaging Xavier in a telepathic battle (before she was aware of her power), matter manipulation, telekinesis, just a massive powerset

Legion-Could disintegrate armored troops, capable of freezing time/dragging minds to the astral plane, pyrokinesis, capable of engaging/stalemating a psychic entity that was fully aware of his powers while still learning of his potential.

Shadow King-Capable of freezing time, disintegrating soldiers with a gesture, transmutation, dragging minds to the Astral plane, telekinetically killing minds in the Astral plane, etc.

Professor Xavier-Currently the strongest telepath in the mythos capable of contacting 4.5 billion people (At the time of Apocalypse), could suppress Jean's animalistic Phoenix side in the (OT), defeated Shadow King in a telepathic battle at some point, was declared a weapon of Mass destruction at some point after DOFP

Apocalypse-Capable of lifting pyramids telekinetically, destroyed Cairo and reformed it as a pyramid with telekinesis, shields capable of repelling tons of metal, lightning/Cyclops optic blasts, teleportation, capable of transmutating individuals into the ground/forming objects like Magneto's helmet/morphing people into sand, could unlock the potential of mutants.

Sebastian Shaw-Absorbed the energy of an atomic bomb??, absorbed a grenade explosion etc. There might be some stuff I'm leaving out.

Quicksilver-Moved faster than an explosion that destroyed the Xmen mansion, different calcs for this and I honestly suck at math

But those are the mutants that stand out the most. We also have the Strucker Kids, Polaris, and the New mutants coming out which all might rank up there after their portrayals

And the Future Sentinels were so bad@ss that they nearly eliminated the entire mutant race from the face of the Earth...

Lilandra will be interesting to see where she ranks and also Gladiator if he appears in the upcoming Dark Phoenix film.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And the Future Sentinels were so bad@ss that they nearly eliminated the entire mutant race from the face of the Earth...



No one asked about them (the thread title specifically mentions mutants, not robots), so not sure why you insist on dragging them into this thread.

Also, Shaw was already dead when the future sentinels arrived. So was Phoenix. There is no proof that they ever encountered Apocalypse, as we only see him revived during the new timeline. The sentinels also never display Quicksilver superspeed, despite how useful it would have been in the film, so either A. they are extremely stupid, or B. he is one of the mutants who slipped through their fingers. Legion and Shadow King are from an alternate timeline, where there is no trace of the sentinels ever existing, and the sentinels failed to kill both Xavier and Magneto before getting erased.

So, how about you stop trying to stroke off your favourite characters, and actually address the OP?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
How are you classing "power"? Versatility? Area of effect? Mastery of a specific power/ability?

For example, Magneto can affect the entire planet, if given enough time, but Quicksilver's speed is so great that he could blitz and kill Magneto 10x over before the latter could even think of doing anything.

And then you have characters like Apocalypse and Legion, who are far more versatile than someone like Magneto, but also haven't shown comparable range to him. more like who would win in versus matches

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
more like who would win in versus matches

That isn't power, that is combat effectiveness. power and combat effectiveness are two completely different things.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
more like who would win in versus matches

Barring PIS, Quicksilver would beat (or, at least, stalemate) pretty much anyone else, simply because of the enormous speed difference. This is a guy that literally moves thousands of times faster than the speed of sound. Even in X-men: Apocalypse, the only reason he got countered was because he wasn't trying to kill Apocalypse, and was just knocking him around. It took Apocalypse about 15 seconds, from Peter's perspective, to react. If Quicksilver had wanted to kill him right off the bat, he could have picked up any sharp piece of debris lying around (and there was lots of it) and cut his head off before Apocalypse could counter. And even if he can't hurt someone (like maybe someone like Colossus might be too durable to damage), they won't lay a finger on him. Because the chances of him tiring out is extremely slim, as even his walking pace is leagues faster than any other mutant shown onscreen. He could casually stroll circles around anyone else.

Remind me again how this works. Fox Studios owns the right to the X-men which means that the feats from Xavier is directly translated from the TV-series of Legion to the movie character of Xavier or what?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Remind me again how this works. Fox Studios owns the right to the X-men which means that the feats from Xavier is directly translated from the TV-series of Legion to the movie character of Xavier or what?

Based on what the creators behind Legion have said, as things stand, it's its own separate timeline from the main universe. So, that should mean that main timeline Xavier and Legion timeline Xavier are two separate individuals. But the writers have also said that they will see how things develop as the show goes on. Considering how Fox tends to shit on their own canon in virtually every film, there is still potential for them to get melded down the line. But, currently, they are separate.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Based on what the creators behind Legion have said, as things stand, it's its own separate timeline from the main universe. So, that should mean that main timeline Xavier and Legion timeline Xavier are two separate individuals. But the writers have also said that they will see how things develop as the show goes on. Considering how Fox tends to shit on their own canon in virtually every film, there is still potential for them to get melded down the line. But, currently, they are separate.