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MCU/Sony Shocker is kind of weak. Other than a gauntlet that can hit really hard, he has virtually nothing else going for him.

How many of those hits can Croc take though?

Croc at least took some hits from Enchantress, who showed a degree of super strength. So, I'd be willing to bet that he could take more hits from Shocker than Shocker could take from him. Shocker would likely die if he gets tossed like at 2:22:

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IDK Shocker was laying it on so hard in the movie Spidey coudln't even recover enough to get a hit in. He stomped Spidey, who is a lot quicker and stronger than Croc. I'm pretty sure he'd wreck Croc without much trouble.

He literally cheapshotted Spiderman out of nowhere, and then continued to beat on him while Peter was trying to get to his webshooters. He doesn't have the element of surprise here, and is fighting a guy who has no problems with committing brutal murder. One hard hit from Shocker might put down Croc. One hard hit from Croc will definitely put down Shocker.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He literally cheapshotted Spiderman out of nowhere, and then continued to beat on him while Peter was trying to get to his webshooters. He doesn't have the element of surprise here, and is fighting a guy who has no problems with committing brutal murder. One hard hit from Shocker might put down Croc. One hard hit from Croc will definitely put down Shocker. Yeah but a guy like Spidey shouldn't have much trouble recovering with some haste. He couldn't at all for a while which at least suggests some pretty quick technique from Herman. He knew how to use the gauntlets well enough to just overwhelm and came off pretty limber. Croc, on the other hand, seemed to lumber around out of the water. I give Herman an edge on getting the first hit here and that nets him the win IMO

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah but a guy like Spidey shouldn't have much trouble recovering with some haste. He couldn't at all for a while which at least suggests some pretty quick technique from Herman. He knew how to use the gauntlets well enough to just overwhelm and came off pretty limber. Croc, on the other hand, seemed to lumber around out of the water. I give Herman an edge on getting the first hit here and that nets him the win IMO

Unless the initial blow actually dazed him a bit, which it visibly seemed to do. Plus, Spiderman wasn't actually trying to attack him. He was trying to get to his webshooters. I don't recall Shocker showing any particular speed or limberness. What I remember is him cheapshotting Peter out of the blue, then pushing the assault while Peter was still disorientated, and then getting easily taken out once Peter got his hands on one of his webshooters. If we are using surprise attacks to base their attack speed, then Croc managed to tag and ragdoll Enchantress, who showed decent agility herself, could teleport, and is far more experienced than MCU Spiderman.

Any Spidey movie that doesn't showcase his Spider-sense (pre-cog ability) is a terrible spider-man movie IMO. Wtf was wrong with the makers of homecoming?

Try watching the movie before commenting on it.

They also explain about his lack of Spidey-Sense. So Marvel already has a plan.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Try watching the movie before commenting on it.

I guess you didn't see the movie and I did. Because you would know what I'm talking about.


Originally posted by KingD19
They also explain about his lack of Spidey-Sense. So Marvel already has a plan.

^See this guy knows what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by KingD19
They also explain about his lack of Spidey-Sense. So Marvel already has a plan.

Yeah, Feige said that they didn't want to lean on it in Homecoming, considering how prominent it was in the previous films, but that his spider sense will be made more obvious down the line.

Like I said in another thread, I chalk it up to inexperience and sensory overload at this point. Like in Civil War, when he senses something is off while holding Cap's shield, but can't pinpoint what, and starts to say something, but then gets kicked in the face by Ant-Man.

So once he proper utilises his Spider-Sense Spidey should comfortably be able to kick Captain America's butt.

(TBH not even sure if Cap could take him in his upgraded suit with the crazy type of webbing he's spitting out).

If Spiderman had to actually master all the tech in his Stark suit, he should have no problem dealing with people like Cap, BP etc. Because he also has things like taser webs and such. And of course... INSTANT KILL.

After his strength and durability showings, Cap shouldnt have been able to do much of anything despite what we saw and what Tony said.

Yeah, I still consider that whole situation PIS, but what can we do? Unfortunately, it's MCU canon.

Well its Cap. He has a PIS aura like Batman. Well comic Batman.

Well, if Tony's premonition of the future is accurate, Cap's PIS aura is going to sputter out when he meets Thanos.

Shocker was punching and flipping buses like nothing if Croc gets hit he is splat.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If Spiderman had to actually master all the tech in his Stark suit, he should have no problem dealing with people like Cap, BP etc. Because he also has things like taser webs and such. And of course... INSTANT KILL.


Honestly I think just his upgraded webbing the hacked suit is offering should be enough. Between the Impact webs, Taser webs and extra thick web options, I'm really not sure how Cap could counter any of that.

But a properly utilised Spider-Sense on top would of course take him well past Cap and BP's level.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Try watching the movie before commenting on it.

lol pay no attention to silent master; he's an idiot, he clearly never watched the film

Originally posted by relentless1
lol pay no attention to silent master; he's an idiot, he clearly never watched the film

Are you retarded?

Originally posted by h1a8
I guess you didn't see the movie and I did. Because you would know what I'm talking about.




^See this guy knows what I'm talking about.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you retarded?

are you? where in Homecoming does Spider Man have spider sense? Go ahead and watch it, ill wait. Theres no instances where its blatantly clear that he's used his spidey sense ever in that film, he does dodge shit for behind him a cpl times but theres no indication that was because he had a spider sense... take your own advice retard and watch the film

My point was that instead of basing the movie's quality on one decision he disagreed with, he should actually watch the movie and for once base his opinion on reality, rather than bias.

But thanks for admitting that you weren't smart enough to understand.

Originally posted by Silent Master
My point was that instead of basing the movie's quality on one decision he disagreed with, he should actually watch the movie and for once base his opinion on reality, rather than bias.

But thanks for admitting that you weren't smart enough to understand.

sounds like youre too dumb to get your point across clearly, flesh out your ideas and explanations a bit more then you won't be "misread"

you tried to be smug and go on your usual diatribe assuming people didn't watch the movie and you got called out

Originally posted by relentless1
sounds like youre too dumb to get your point across clearly, flesh out your ideas and explanations a bit more then you won't be "misread"

How adorable, you think my point was hard to understand. When in reality, you're just not very smart.

I posted
Originally posted by h1a8
Any Spidey movie that doesn't showcase his Spider-sense (pre-cog ability) is a terrible spider-man movie IMO. Wtf was wrong with the makers of homecoming? then Silent post

Originally posted by Silent Master
Try watching the movie before commenting on it.

Which somehow definitely means


Originally posted by Silent Master
My point was that instead of basing the movie's quality on one decision he disagreed with, he should actually watch the movie and for once base his opinion on reality, rather than bias.

When in reality, the comment could mean
"Spidey did display spider-sense and if you would have watched the movie then you would know this".

In no way, Silent's comment could refer to the quality of the movie since I gave an OPINION of how I viewed the movie.

Thank you for showing that I responded to a post where you were commenting on the quality of the movie.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because I'm retarded.

We know​.

so we are all agreed that silent is a dumb shit

Originally posted by relentless1
so we are all agreed that silent is a dumb shit

If your IQ was quadrupled, would it reach double digits?

Originally posted by Silent Master
If your IQ was quadrupled, would it reach double digits?

lol your always he first to go off topic aren't ya, trying to dazzle people by claiming they didn't watch films, trying to attack iq all that nonsense, when youre outlcassed just stop commenting on that thread bro, it'll save you some dignity in the long run

Originally posted by relentless1
lol your always he first to go off topic aren't ya, trying to dazzle people by claiming they didn't watch films, trying to attack iq all that nonsense, when youre outlcassed just stop commenting on that thread bro, it'll save you some dignity in the long run

Actually, h1 went off topic first. You're doing a good job of proving me right.

So just because Homecoming doesn't highlight Pete's Spider Sense, it's not a good film?

That's hilarious.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
So just because Homecoming doesn't highlight Pete's Spider Sense, it's not a good film?

That's hilarious.

its a good film, not a great one and no spider sense is a small part of why that is

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, h1 went off topic first. You're doing a good job of proving me right.

actually he didn't, spider sense was brought into the croc vs shocker convo to highlight shockers strengths in this particular fight; h1 continued speaking on spider sense and added in that he though homecoming sucked due to its lack of spidey sense

Originally posted by relentless1
actually he didn't, spider sense was brought into the croc vs shocker convo to highlight shockers strengths in this particular fight; h1 continued speaking on spider sense and added in that he though homecoming sucked due to its lack of spidey sense

Wrong, at no point in h1's first post did he comment on anything regarding the fight, his comments were purely about his opinion on the quality of the movie.

By all means continue proving to everyone how stupid you are.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wrong, at no point in h1's first post did he comment on anything regarding the fight, his comments were purely about his opinion on the quality of the movie.

By all means continue proving to everyone how stupid you are.

did i say he commented on their right? no i said he commented on spider sense which is what was being mentioned in the previous posts, learn to read dumb shit

Commenting on the quality of a movie in a versus thread is off topic, you would know that if you were at all intelligent.

Also the lack of Spidey Sense doesn't detract from the movie, especially when the writer's have plans to fully develop and showcase it in later movies, possibly even explaining why it was so diminished the first time around.

No one actually mentioned the spider-sense until h1 brought it up.

Originally posted by KingD19
Also the lack of Spidey Sense doesn't detract from the movie, especially when the writer's have plans to fully develop and showcase it in later movies, possibly even explaining why it was so diminished the first time around.

Well, they already kind of did in Civil War, during Peter's conversation with Tony. He tells him that he finds the sensory stimulation due his powers overwhelming sometimes. So, it could be a case that he does feel his spider-sense, but doesn't know how to interpret it along with everything else that's also going on. As shown when Ant-Man kicked him, just because he can sense something is off, it doesn't necessarily mean he can react to it in time. At least not yet.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
No one actually mentioned the spider-sense until h1 brought it up.

relentless1 has never let the facts get in his way. Seriously, the more he posts the dumber he looks. the sad thing is, he probably believes that he's winning.

lol ^ this guys such a loser, i bet you get punched out a lot irl

Originally posted by relentless1
lol ^ this guys such a loser, i bet you get punched out a lot irl

LOL!

Originally posted by Silent Master
LOL!

tell me I'm wrong

Originally posted by Silent Master
relentless1 has never let the facts get in his way. Seriously, the more he posts the dumber he looks. the sad thing is, he probably believes that he's winning.