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Standard gear for both. Fight takes place in Metropolis.

Zod

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Zod

Wonder Woman

Zod dies. Wonder Woman is faster, in a similar strength range, and as soon as he uses his heat vision, she bounces it back at him with her bracers.

Diana takes his head off

Zod dies

Zod, wonder woman durability isn't on that level and her strength is a level below at this moment also

If only Wonder Woman had weapons that could either injure or incapacitate Zod.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If only Wonder Woman had weapons that could either injure or incapacitate Zod.

Or magical bracers that would, I dunno, reflect his heat vision back at him, but magnified.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If only Wonder Woman had weapons that could either injure or incapacitate Zod.


Does she have those weapons? Didn't her sword break when she stabbed Ares with it?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Does she have those weapons? Didn't her sword break when she stabbed Ares with it?

That particular blade got incinerated by Ares. But she had a new one by the modern day, in BvS, and is again shown with a sword and shield (along with the rest of her normal gear) at multiple points in the Justice League trailer. So, based on consistent showings, her standard gear is sword, shield, lasso, bracers and armour.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Does she have those weapons? Didn't her sword break when she stabbed Ares with it?

Her original sword was destroyed, however at some point she got a replacement for it as shown in bvs.

This is basically Diana vs a downgraded version of Doomsday. And we saw how well she did against him.

Zod takes it. The Wonder Woman movie had zero impressive feats for Diana. In fact, being pinned down by a WW1 machine gun was pathetic.

Originally posted by KingD19
This is basically Diana vs a downgraded version of Doomsday. And we saw how well she did against him.

Yeah, she was losing.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Zod takes it. The Wonder Woman movie had zero impressive feats for Diana. In fact, being pinned down by a WW1 machine gun was pathetic.



Yeah, she was losing.

She can deflect energy. She is super fast in combat (possibly faster than Zod).
She lifted a tank. She has an unbreakable lasso. She has a repelling force field.
She is highly skilled. She has a sword that could kill Zod. She has a shield.

Whether these are impressive or not, it's great evidence supporting her winning.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Zod takes it. The Wonder Woman movie had zero impressive feats for Diana. In fact, being pinned down by a WW1 machine gun was pathetic.



Yeah, she was losing.


Well technically yes of course she was. Doomsday was Superman/Zod+ by an unknown margin, but it was noticeable. She still lopped his arm off and used her shield as well as her lasso very well.

You think the weaker Zod will do better than his upgraded form? When Diana is still at the levels she is against Doomsday?

Originally posted by KingD19
Well technically yes of course she was. Doomsday was Superman/Zod+ by an unknown margin, but it was noticeable. She still lopped his arm off and used her shield as well as her lasso very well.

You think the weaker Zod will do better than his upgraded form? When Diana is still at the levels she is against Doomsday?

Diana also had help from Superman and Batman in that fight. Doomsday was borderline retarded and fought like dumb brute, who barely used his flight or heat vision. Zod is much more tactical, and physically superior to Diana.

Didn't Zod lose to someone that had zero known combat training?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't Zod lose to someone that had zero known combat training?

Hah! You got him there.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That particular blade got incinerated by Ares. But she had a new one by the modern day, in BvS, and is again shown with a sword and shield (along with the rest of her normal gear) at multiple points in the Justice League trailer. So, based on consistent showings, her standard gear is sword, shield, lasso, bracers and armour.


Originally posted by Silent Master
Her original sword was destroyed, however at some point she got a replacement for it as shown in bvs.


But even with her modern day sword, it's not like she was ripping up Doomsday with it (the only opponent we've seen it used against, and comparable to Zod in terms of abilities).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But even with her modern day sword, it's not like she was ripping up Doomsday with it (the only opponent we've seen it used against, and comparable to Zod in terms of abilities).

She literally cut one of his hands off with it. Hell, a slash to Doomsday's leg briefly took him down to one knee. That sword + her strength was very capable of damaging Doomsday.

Originally posted by h1a8
She can deflect energy. She is super fast in combat (possibly faster than Zod).
She lifted a tank. She has an unbreakable lasso. She has a repelling force field.
She is highly skilled. She has a sword that could kill Zod. She has a shield.

Whether these are impressive or not, it's great evidence supporting her winning.

Yeah, she can win. But she won't, because Zod has every physical advantage and won't hold back. He's also more versatile. Diana got pinned down by machine gun fire, a super speed barrage by Zod was **** her shit up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't Zod lose to someone that had zero known combat training?

Superman would fold Diana like lawn chair, lets not kid ourselves. Clark has been on Earth for 33 years and absorbed much more solar radiation than Zod.

Zod stomps. There is a huge power gap between them. Zod losing to Supes is hardly a bad showing considering the fact that Supes would stomp WW too.

I'll need a refresher here but didn't WW struggle pretty hard with a single Themyscirian until right before she left? The same Themyscirian that was killed by some WW troops? WW just doesn't operate on the same level as people like Supes and Zod yet.

Power gap?

Diana was easily fighting with Doomsday, and tanked everything he hit her with with a smile if she even got hit. She was strong enough to knock him around with her shield, strong enough to block his arm with her sword before cutting it off, and strong enough to restrain him with her lasso while he was absorbing power until Superman and Batman used the K-Nite on him.

She also has her bracers(easily shown blocking heat vision, reflecting energy back and making a shockwave) as well as her shield(does the same thing).

And now she has access to her God Mode and speed far above what Zod ever showed, as well as onscreen higher combat experience than him as she's been fighting since she was a child and is like 70-80 during BvS.

Yes, WW was pinned down by a machinegun, but that was before she learned to access her true power.

Zod is not stomping in this fight.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I'll need a refresher here but didn't WW struggle pretty hard with a single Themyscirian until right before she left? The same Themyscirian that was killed by some WW troops? WW just doesn't operate on the same level as people like Supes and Zod yet.

No, she didn't. She fought multiple other Amazons and kicked their asses, then immediately fought Antiope, who briefly managed to hold her own until Diana stopped holding back, at which point Antiope got disarmed very quickly, but then blindsided Diana when she looked over to her mother, only to get put down for the count when Diana discovers her bracelet bash shockwave. And Antiope literally dived in front of a bullet to shield Diana, because Amazons aren't bulletproof (which in Diana's case is kind of dumb, considering the hits she shrugs off during the final battle). And she only grew in power from there. You just have to compare that fight and the final fight against Ares to see the difference.

Diana's feats only begin to matter once she leaves the island, as on it she was figuring out her powers and was much lower level. But the only way we should debate her is from her fight with Doomsday and Ares as that is her standard mode and most powerful. Not the fledgling still finding her feet in the beginning.

People love to low ball to suit their argument.

Batman and Superman have always had some of the worst Fanboys out there, they just refuse to be unbiased when discussing anything about them.

I would say OPM has the worst at the moment.

Originally posted by KingD19
Power gap?

Diana was easily fighting with Doomsday, and tanked everything he hit her with with a smile if she even got hit. She was strong enough to knock him around with her shield, strong enough to block his arm with her sword before cutting it off, and strong enough to restrain him with her lasso while he was absorbing power until Superman and Batman used the K-Nite on him.

She also has her bracers(easily shown blocking heat vision, reflecting energy back and making a shockwave) as well as her shield(does the same thing).

And now she has access to her God Mode and speed far above what Zod ever showed, as well as onscreen higher combat experience than him as she's been fighting since she was a child and is like 70-80 during BvS.

She wasn't "easily" fighting him. She was getting kicked around. If Superman and Batman weren't there to take the heat off her Doomsday would have killed her.

She only managed to restrain him with a magic lasso and with help from Kryptonite, she's not in his league when it comes to strength.

The shockwave from the bracers didn't really do anything to DD. And given that Kryptonians can take nukes I doubt it will do much to Zod either.

Her one speed feat is not above Faora and Superman's best speed feats and we know Zod is capable of hanging with Superman no problem. Especially since Zod has flight.

Originally posted by Psychotron
She wasn't "easily" fighting him. She was getting kicked around. If Superman and Batman weren't there to take the heat off her Doomsday would have killed her.

She only managed to restrain him with a magic lasso and with help from Kryptonite, she's not in his league when it comes to strength.

The shockwave from the bracers didn't really do anything to DD. And given that Kryptonians can take nukes I doubt it will do much to Zod either.

Her one speed feat is not above Faora and Superman's best speed feats and we know Zod is capable of hanging with Superman no problem. Especially since Zod has flight.

Did you watch the fight? She got knocked back twice, but each time was completely okay. She was even smiling and laughing about it. And she knocked Doomsday off his feet with no problem at all. As well as outright stopped his swing with her sword. I'd say bashing him off his feet with her shield, slashing his leg open, chopping his arm off, etc... was doing a pretty good job. She did 70% of the damage to Doomsday.

The lasso is only unbreakable and compels you to tell the truth, causing a burning sensation if you resist. So it was all her strength that kept him restrained. And she was holding him a fairly long time before Bruce even fired the grenade.

That regular shockwave wouldn't do much, but she's shown she can absorb energy into her bracers and launch it back(what she did to Ares), and that would mess Zod up as Kryptonians clearly aren't immune to their own heat vision.

If anything, Diana looked more impressive than Superman.

As for her speed, she has several "teleportation" feats where she moves a good distance so fast she is just instantly somewhere else. She did it to Ares twice, and did it to Doomsday as well. And her scene at the end of her movie had her blitzing all those soldiers at super speed. She's faster than Faora.

Originally posted by KingD19
Or magical bracers that would, I dunno, reflect his heat vision back at him, but magnified.

the magnification was shown to only work on Ares' godly energy so far, she basically absorbed Doomsdays heat vision.

her slamming the bracelets together to create that crazy shockwave is something she can do at will and requires no energy absorption as seen when she fights Antiope.

in fact theres not one moment in that fight where DD gets a direct hit on Diana; she's always blocking with her sword or shield so highly skilled yes; just as durable as a kryptonian? hasn't been shown yet

Originally posted by KingD19
Did you watch the fight? She got knocked back twice, but each time was completely okay. She was even smiling and laughing about it. And she knocked Doomsday off his feet with no problem at all. As well as outright stopped his swing with her sword. I'd say bashing him off his feet with her shield, slashing his leg open, chopping his arm off, etc... was doing a pretty good job. She did 70% of the damage to Doomsday.

The lasso is only unbreakable and compels you to tell the truth, causing a burning sensation if you resist. So it was all her strength that kept him restrained. And she was holding him a fairly long time before Bruce even fired the grenade.

That regular shockwave wouldn't do much, but she's shown she can absorb energy into her bracers and launch it back(what she did to Ares), and that would mess Zod up as Kryptonians clearly aren't immune to their own heat vision.

If anything, Diana looked more impressive than Superman.

As for her speed, she has several "teleportation" feats where she moves a good distance so fast she is just instantly somewhere else. She did it to Ares twice, and did it to Doomsday as well. And her scene at the end of her movie had her blitzing all those soldiers at super speed. She's faster than Faora.

Zod would fight smarter than Doomsday and use his versatile powerset a lot more than a brute like DD would. Also, she only knocked DD off his feet by bashing his calf when he was distracted by Superman. The other time she slashed his leg, he was also distracted by Clark. Hardly that impressive.

Except she wrapped it around him when he was in the middle of his power evolution thing and wasn't really resisting, then immediately he got hit with K-nite. Even after that, it took all her might to hold him.

They're not seriously damaged by it either. Superman's HV didn't didn't do much to Faora and Nam-Ek. Assuming she hits Zod with his own HV once he won't fall for it again.

She really didn't. Superman was BFRing DD on his own before the nuke, while Diana needed Superman's aid to land most of her blows, aside from the arm chop, which just led to her getting battered by Doomsday in response. It's actually telling that Superman outperformed Diana despite being hit by K-nite and a nuke before the fight.

Both blitzed groups of soldiers, but the difference is that Faora was operating at normal levels, while Diana was bloodlusted. It's also impossible to measure who was outright faster due to the way the scenes were shot. However, we know Superman is fast enough to travel from the Arctic to Metropolis in seconds, and we know Zod is on his level. That trumps Diana's speed feats by a healthy margin IMO.

Off-topic - but does anyone find Superman snapping Zod's neck like that complete horsesh1t?

If they can't even break each other's skin with their strongest blows (i.e. draw blood), how is he strong enough to break Zod's bone so easily - and only in that single, final instance?

Their durability scales way higher than their strength, relative to a normal human.

Originally posted by Placidity
Off-topic - but does anyone find Superman snapping Zod's neck like that complete horsesh1t?

If they can't even break each other's skin with their strongest blows (i.e. draw blood), how is he strong enough to break Zod's bone so easily - and only in that single, final instance?

Their durability scales way higher than their strength, relative to a normal human.

Superman holding back isn't exactly new.

Originally posted by Placidity
Off-topic - but does anyone find Superman snapping Zod's neck like that complete horsesh1t?

If they can't even break each other's skin with their strongest blows (i.e. draw blood), how is he strong enough to break Zod's bone so easily - and only in that single, final instance?

Their durability scales way higher than their strength, relative to a normal human.

This is a problem with a lot of DC movies. Their heroes still have perfect hair at the end of a fight.

Originally posted by Placidity
Off-topic - but does anyone find Superman snapping Zod's neck like that complete horsesh1t?

If they can't even break each other's skin with their strongest blows (i.e. draw blood), how is he strong enough to break Zod's bone so easily - and only in that single, final instance?

Their durability scales way higher than their strength, relative to a normal human.

Does someone die when they punch each other in the face, or do they die from a neck snap?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, she can win. But she won't, because Zod has every physical advantage and won't hold back. He's also more versatile. Diana got pinned down by machine gun fire, a super speed barrage by Zod was **** her shit up.



Superman would fold Diana like lawn chair, lets not kid ourselves. Clark has been on Earth for 33 years and absorbed much more solar radiation than Zod.

What is Zod going to do if she cuts a limb off, cut his head off, run him through with the sword? What's Zod going to do if she ties him up with the lasso? What's Zod going to do if she crosses her bracers?

Zod isn't much stronger than Diana and is certainly not faster in combat. Her teleporting feat is greater than any speed movement feat made by Zod in combat. Plus she has the reflexes to block multiple bullets at close range and energy beams from DD.

Zod would get comboed to ko, neck snapped, kill with the sword, or killed after being tied with the lasso.

Originally posted by h1a8
What is Zod going to do if she cuts a limb off, cut his head off, run him through with the sword? What's Zod going to do if she ties him up with the lasso? What's Zod going to do if she crosses her bracers?

Zod isn't much stronger than Diana and is certainly not faster in combat. Her teleporting feat is greater than any speed movement feat made by Zod in combat. Plus she has the reflexes to block multiple bullets at close range and energy beams from DD.

Zod would get comboed to ko, neck snapped, kill with the sword, or killed after being tied with the lasso.

What would Diana do if Zod just restrains her hands and heat visions her to death? She's never tied up anyone of Zod's caliber with the lasso. Doomsday wasn't resisting so it doesn't count. Zod would probably laugh if she crossed her bracers since that shit didn't even hurt Batman, who was literally just a few feet away from her.

Zod is definitely much stronger than Diana. He was strong enough to match Superman, and you know his feats. What's Diana's best strength feat, lifting a WW1 tank? She's way outclassed here. Superman is faster than Diana and Zod had absolutely no trouble keeping up with him.

In a feminist's wildest dreams. In reality she kneels before Zod.

Originally posted by Psychotron
She's never tied up anyone of Zod's caliber with the lasso. Doomsday wasn't resisting so it doesn't count.

ROTFL. Dude, if you're going to be biased at least be smart about it. This ^ is so biased you're pretty much trolling at this point.

Yeah. She never lassoed anyone on Zod's caliber. She's lassoed Doomsday who is higher on the ladder.

And saying he wasn't resisting is bullshit. If he wasn't resisting, why was she fully extended against that barrier to hold him in place? If he wasn't resisting she could've just stood there.

Originally posted by Psychotron
What would Diana do if Zod just restrains her hands and heat visions her to death? She's never tied up anyone of Zod's caliber with the lasso. Doomsday wasn't resisting so it doesn't count. Zod would probably laugh if she crossed her bracers since that shit didn't even hurt Batman, who was literally just a few feet away from her.

Zod is definitely much stronger than Diana. He was strong enough to match Superman, and you know his feats. What's Diana's best strength feat, lifting a WW1 tank? She's way outclassed here. Superman is faster than Diana and Zod had absolutely no trouble keeping up with him.

In a feminist's wildest dreams. In reality she kneels before Zod. She's faster than him and more skilled. Also you have to consider character. Zod never tried to restrain Superman and hv him.
Crossing her bracers is more of a defensive option (not offensive).

Diana is strong enough to hurt Zod. She can even one shot him with the sword. Strength differences is meaningless. She is faster in combat and much more skilled. She has kill and has weapons. This more than makes up for the strength deficit.

People are ignoring the fairly significant advantage Zod's flight gives him.

Diana is a completely grounded fighter, but Zod is capable of moving himself in any direction by thought. If he takes Diana off her feet, this combined with his superior physical abilities are going to win him the fight pretty handily. Diana would have to kill Zod very quickly to win this fight, and I'm frankly not convinced she could.

Originally posted by NemeBro
People are ignoring the fairly significant advantage Zod's flight gives him.

Diana is a completely grounded fighter, but Zod is capable of moving himself in any direction by thought. If he takes Diana off her feet, this combined with his superior physical abilities are going to win him the fight pretty handily. Diana would have to kill Zod very quickly to win this fight, and I'm frankly not convinced she could.

Don't be so sure. Faora couldn't fly but she was doing perfectly fine against Superman if it wasn't for her helmet weakness. Diana has shown the ability to jump just as powerfully as the kryptonians.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't be so sure. Faora couldn't fly but she was doing perfectly fine against Superman if it wasn't for her helmet weakness. Diana has shown the ability to jump just as powerfully as the kryptonians. xqlaXylsMwQ

Yeah she was doing so well she had to be bailed out by Namek, lol.

Even before that, she was only able to handle Superman in the iHop during the close quarters fight due to her superior hand to hand training and Superman's lack of space to use his flight significantly.

Once Superman made full use of his powers she was being tossed around, and even during their double team of him Superman literally was able to drag Faora helplessly through the air before Namek helped her again.

Originally posted by h1a8
She's faster than him and more skilled. Also you have to consider character. Zod never tried to restrain Superman and hv him.
Crossing her bracers is more of a defensive option (not offensive).

Diana is strong enough to hurt Zod. She can even one shot him with the sword. Strength differences is meaningless. She is faster in combat and much more skilled. She has kill and has weapons. This more than makes up for the strength deficit.

Go ahead and prove she's faster.

Zod never tried to restrain Superman because Superman is just as strong, likely stronger than Zod. Diana is not.

Those bracers cover only a small area, what if Zod aims for her shins, for example? Just because she can block much smaller and slower things like bullets doesn't mean she can block every single HV beam fired at her.

"Strength difference is meaningless" - someone who's never been in a fight.
Like I said, go ahead and prove she's faster than Superman or Faora because Zod had no trouble hanging with Clark.

It's nice that she has weapons and all, but Zod's flight and ranged attacks more than make up for it. Superman's more versatile power set allowed him to hang with Faora and Nam-Ek at the same time, and dismiss them individually despite both of them being physically equal to him and more skilled.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Go ahead and prove she's faster.

Zod never tried to restrain Superman because Superman is just as strong, likely stronger than Zod. Diana is not.

Those bracers cover only a small area, what if Zod aims for her shins, for example? Just because she can block much smaller and slower things like bullets doesn't mean she can block every single HV beam fired at her.

"Strength difference is meaningless" - someone who's never been in a fight.
Like I said, go ahead and prove she's faster than Superman or Faora because Zod had no trouble hanging with Clark.

It's nice that she has weapons and all, but Zod's flight and ranged attacks more than make up for it. Superman's more versatile power set allowed him to hang with Faora and Nam-Ek at the same time, and dismiss them individually despite both of them being physically equal to him and more skilled.

Diana is faster than Clark in battle. Her reflexes are better (by feats) too.
The proof is her teleporting movements in battle. This is faster than anything Superman or Zod has shown. Her blocking bullets at close range and blocking DD's HV is a better reaction feat than any of Zod's.

When she cross her bracers it creates a shield that covers the front of her entire body.

She can just teleport and kill Zod with the sword or simply tie him up with the lasso.

Originally posted by NemeBro
People are ignoring the fairly significant advantage Zod's flight gives him.

Diana is a completely grounded fighter, but Zod is capable of moving himself in any direction by thought. If he takes Diana off her feet, this combined with his superior physical abilities are going to win him the fight pretty handily. Diana would have to kill Zod very quickly to win this fight, and I'm frankly not convinced she could. Zod doesn't fight like that. He will most certainly engage in fisticuffs and occasionally use HV.
Diana can teleport and kill him instantly with the sword or just tie him up with the lasso.

And you are forgetting that Diana can cross her bracers at any time.

I see girl power is on the rise.. Well why not..

Originally posted by h1a8
Diana is faster than Clark in battle. Her reflexes are better (by feats) too.
The proof is her teleporting movements in battle. This is faster than anything Superman or Zod has shown. Her blocking bullets at close range and blocking DD's HV is a better reaction feat than any of Zod's.

When she cross her bracers it creates a shield that covers the front of her entire body.

She can just teleport and kill Zod with the sword or simply tie him up with the lasso.

Lmao, this is the dumbest shit I've read all day and I spent half of it on bodybuilding.com.

Her reflexes are not faster than, Clark for starters. He would literally smash into every mountain or building he came across while flying if that was the case, and his flight is far faster than anything WW has done. Superman also took out that terrorist in a split second while making sure no harm came to Lois despite the massive force of his attack, that's better speed precision than anything Wondie has done.

Bullshit, why does she even need a shield if she can just do that?

"She can just teleport". Kys, seriously.

Originally posted by h1a8
She can deflect energy. She is super fast in combat (possibly faster than Zod).
She lifted a tank. She has an unbreakable lasso. She has a repelling force field.
She is highly skilled. She has a sword that could kill Zod. She has a shield.

Whether these are impressive or not, it's great evidence supporting her winning.

I don't quite follow your logic here. The evidence would only be great if it was impressive enough to show she could win. Yet you say it doesn't matter if it's impressive. What does that even mean?

Anyways, I'm not saying she loses, but saying "she lifted a tank" is laughable in comparison to the Kryptonians strength level in the movies. They are far above lifting tanks.

They were demolishing buildings with their strength and heat vision. I know I know, she can deflect energy, but it's not a passive ability. She has to actually put her arms in a specific formation, correct? So if Zod is physically fighting her and she is trying to dodge his hits, etc. and he decides to use heat vision at the same time...what do you feel happens?

Superman was at least durable enough to get near that gravity beam, right? Even though it was weakening him. He also survived a nuke. I know, he didn't just shrug it off, but I'm saying his body was not physically destroyed by it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lmao, this is the dumbest shit I've read all day and I spent half of it on bodybuilding.com.

Her reflexes are not faster than, Clark for starters. He would literally smash into every mountain or building he came across while flying if that was the case, and his flight is far faster than anything WW has done. Superman also took out that terrorist in a split second while making sure no harm came to Lois despite the massive force of his attack, that's better speed precision than anything Wondie has done.

Bullshit, why does she even need a shield if she can just do that?

"She can just teleport". Kys, seriously.

Reflexes aren't measured by speed. They are measured by time. You have to have faster reflexes in order to block a bullet from 10 ft away than to be traveling at 100 times the speed of a bullet and be a mile away from a mountain.

What you are saying is not a feat. The faster Clark travels then the more the distance he needs in front of him. He can't travel at the speed of sound inside an average size house for example. If you disagree then prove it with a feat.

The terrorist feat is garbage in comparison to blocking a bullet at similar distances.

She doesn't teleport I think. She just moved so fast that it appeared that she teleported. Superman never did this. We have seen him move, even if it was a blur.

I guess you didn't see WW. Because you would know that a forcefield is created when she crosses her braces. In comics, this is called the Aegis shield.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't quite follow your logic here. The evidence would only be great if it was impressive enough to show she could win. Yet you say it doesn't matter if it's impressive. What does that even mean?

Anyways, I'm not saying she loses, but saying "she lifted a tank" is laughable in comparison to the Kryptonians strength level in the movies. They are far above lifting tanks.

They were demolishing buildings with their strength and heat vision. I know I know, she can deflect energy, but it's not a passive ability. She has to actually put her arms in a specific formation, correct? So if Zod is physically fighting her and she is trying to dodge his hits, etc. and he decides to use heat vision at the same time...what do you feel happens?

Superman was at least durable enough to get near that gravity beam, right? Even though it was weakening him. He also survived a nuke. I know, he didn't just shrug it off, but I'm saying his body was not physically destroyed by it. Impressive is a matter of opinion. Determining who wins has nothing to do with someone's opinion of what's impressive.

A man lifting 1000lbs is more impressive than a guy shooting a gun. But we all know the guy with the gun will win if they started 30 feet apart.

Strength is irrelevant if one character can one shot the other. WW can kill with a single blow of the sword. She can lasso tie them up. Them being stronger is irrelevant.

WW is faster, she can kill Zod the moment the bell rings if she wants. She doesn't have to sit there and defend against Zod all day. That's silly. Zod will have trouble even following her in order to attack.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lmao, this is the dumbest shit I've read all day and I spent half of it on bodybuilding.com.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either h1 or you, Psychotron, but I feel you on the bodybuilding.com, brah.


Also, I'm guessing WW gets some big upgrades in her solo film? The speed blitzing scene is the one I've heard the most about in terms of best action scene in the film and making her seem way more uber in the way of feats/fighting capability.

Originally posted by h1a8
Impressive is a matter of opinion. Determining who wins has nothing to do with someone's opinion of what's impressive.

A man lifting 1000lbs is more impressive than a guy shooting a gun. But we all know the guy with the gun will win if they started 30 feet apart.

Strength is irrelevant if one character can one shot the other. WW can kill with a single blow of the sword. She can lasso tie them up. Them being stronger is irrelevant.

WW is faster, she can kill Zod the moment the bell rings if she wants. She doesn't have to sit there and defend against Zod all day. That's silly. Zod will have trouble even following her in order to attack.

Lol wtf? Did you drop some bath salts before you posted? You legit saw the WW movie and came away thinking she can kill Zod the MOMENT the bell rings?

Why did you bring up lifting 1000 lbs vs a gun? This makes no actual sense. Kryptonians have actual strength feats above tank lifting. Plus flight, heat vision, and durability.

Also you do need impressive feats to defeat frickin Zod lol. This isn't some street leveler you are dealing with.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol wtf? Did you drop some bath salts before you posted? You legit saw the WW movie and came away thinking she can kill Zod the MOMENT the bell rings?

Why did you bring up lifting 1000 lbs vs a gun? This makes no actual sense. Kryptonians have actual strength feats above tank lifting. Plus flight, heat vision, and durability.

Also you do need impressive feats to defeat frickin Zod lol. This isn't some street leveler you are dealing with.

The analogy is Zod can lift 1000lb and WW has the gun.
She has faster combat speed. She has a sword. She can slit his throat or impale him instantly. You are falsely assuming she will be operating at slow speeds instead of instant speeds in this fight.

Instant speeds LOL!!!

Lol this person obviously saw a secret directors cut of Wonder Woman. How lucky.

Originally posted by h1a8
Reflexes aren't measured by speed. They are measured by time. You have to have faster reflexes in order to block a bullet from 10 ft away than to be traveling at 100 times the speed of a bullet and be a mile away from a mountain.

What you are saying is not a feat. The faster Clark travels then the more the distance he needs in front of him. He can't travel at the speed of sound inside an average size house for example. If you disagree then prove it with a feat.

The terrorist feat is garbage in comparison to blocking a bullet at similar distances.

She doesn't teleport I think. She just moved so fast that it appeared that she teleported. Superman never did this. We have seen him move, even if it was a blur.

I guess you didn't see WW. Because you would know that a forcefield is created when she crosses her braces. In comics, this is called the Aegis shield.

Except we've seen Superman casually navigate through a city while moving faster than the speed of sound. We've seen Clark keep Lois safe while taking out a terrorist, who was holding onto her, while moving at blinding speed. Faora was flash stepping and Clark was overwhelming her in single combat. Wonder Woman is not faster than that because she blitzed some normal humans.

Saving Lois at the start of BvS. If he wasn't precise at that speed he would have killed her.

Lmao. Superman already has a similar feat when he casually cauth the Kryptonite projectile, and he doesn't need to block bullets because he's not made of tissue paper.

Oh, you think? And what scene are you even talking about. I don't remember anything that looked like teleporting.

And btw, don't think that I haven't noticed that you've failed to come up with a responce to the edge Zod's flight and ranged powers give him. If Zod just stayed in the air and nuked WW with HV is there anything she can do but block until he eventually hits her?

There was never any point that I recall where she appears to teleport. Move quickly? Yes, seemingly move so fast she appears to be teleporting? No.

She isn't killing Zod before he even reacts.

I know, I've seen the movie. h1 is just making shit up. If she was that fast she would have chopped Doomsday's head off.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except we've seen Superman casually navigate through a city while moving faster than the speed of sound. We've seen Clark keep Lois safe while taking out a terrorist, who was holding onto her, while moving at blinding speed. Faora was flash stepping and Clark was overwhelming her in single combat. Wonder Woman is not faster than that because she blitzed some normal humans.

Saving Lois at the start of BvS. If he wasn't precise at that speed he would have killed her.

Lmao. Superman already has a similar feat when he casually cauth the Kryptonite projectile, and he doesn't need to block bullets because he's not made of tissue paper.

Oh, you think? And what scene are you even talking about. I don't remember anything that looked like teleporting.

And btw, don't think that I haven't noticed that you've failed to come up with a responce to the edge Zod's flight and ranged powers give him. If Zod just stayed in the air and nuked WW with HV is there anything she can do but block until he eventually hits her? Flying through the air at faster the speed of sound doesn't prove reflexes. Superman always had large distances in front of him when he flew faster than sound. A human can navigate in a super sonic jet.
There are no objects in the sky to avoid.

The terrorist feat is less than blocking a bullet at 10 ft away. Superman never reached the speed of a bullet there.

Zod WILL engaged her in fisticuffs. He will not stay in the air and spam HV. This is not a member controlled character.

Originally posted by h1a8
Flying through the air at faster the speed of sound doesn't prove reflexes. Superman always had large distances in front of him when he flew faster than sound. A human can navigate in a super sonic jet.
There are no objects in the sky to avoid.

The terrorist feat is less than blocking a bullet at 10 ft away. Superman never reached the speed of a bullet there.

Zod WILL engaged her in fisticuffs. He will not stay in the air and spam HV. This is not a member controlled character.


Do you even watch the movies you debate? He spent most of the fight against Zod flying through Metropolis. There was one scene that showed Superman moving at high speeds between buildings without any problem. No human pilot can do that, not even close.

Not to mention that Superman kept up with Faora, who has a legit super speed combat feat, and Nam-Ek at the same time.

We don't know how fast Clark went in that scene, but we do know he can fly at multiple times the speed of sound.

Oh, really? Because I remember Zod using flight and HV extensively as soon as he had them. Wonder Woman, being grounded and all, is pretty ****ed in that situation.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Do you even watch the movies you debate? He spent most of the fight against Zod flying through Metropolis. There was one scene that showed Superman moving at high speeds between buildings without any problem. No human pilot can do that, not even close.

Not to mention that Superman kept up with Faora, who has a legit super speed combat feat, and Nam-Ek at the same time.

We don't know how fast Clark went in that scene, but we do know he can fly at multiple times the speed of sound.

Oh, really? Because I remember Zod using flight and HV extensively as soon as he had them. Wonder Woman, being grounded and all, is pretty ****ed in that situation. buildings have large distances between them. And Superman wasn't moving much faster than Mach 1, if that.

Superman didn't keep up with Faora, she outclassed him in speed. Superman tagging her isn't a reflex feat or speed feat. It's a low showing for Faora (since she casually dodged Superman's blitz before).

We do know how fast Clark moved. Speed = distance/ time
Just time the distance Clark traveled between him and a marker.

Originally posted by h1a8
buildings have large distances between them. And Superman wasn't moving much faster than Mach 1, if that.

Superman didn't keep up with Faora, she outclassed him in speed. Superman tagging her isn't a reflex feat or speed feat. It's a low showing for Faora (since she casually dodged Superman's blitz before).

We do know how fast Clark moved. Speed = distance/ time
Just time the distance Clark traveled between him and a marker.

There's a few dozen yards between buildings, good luck navigating that at that speed.

No. She outclassed him in skill, which he compensated for by using his other powers. She even points this out in her little speech to him.

Okay, calculate how fast Clark moved when he saved Lois from Lex in BvS. Take into account the time he would have needed to hear her scream first.

Lol at comparing the maneuverability of your own body vs a Jet. And assuming Superman was going the fastest he had ever gone while doing so.

Originally posted by Psychotron
There's a few dozen yards between buildings, good luck navigating that at that speed.

No. She outclassed him in skill, which he compensated for by using his other powers. She even points this out in her little speech to him.

Okay, calculate how fast Clark moved when he saved Lois from Lex in BvS. Take into account the time he would have needed to hear her scream first. A few dozen yards? Like 3 dozen yards (108ft)? Those buildings were much further than that. But let's assume they were the distance you are claiming.

A human can have 0.2 of a second in reaction speed. That means a human can react to an object that is 108ft away while traveling over 300mph (I can show you the math if you like). Was Superman traveling greater than 300 mph then?
If so, then how much faster (1.5x, 2x, ...)?

Originally posted by h1a8
A few dozen yards? Like 3 dozen yards (108ft)? Those buildings were much further than that. But let's assume they were the distance you are claiming.

A human can have 0.2 of a second in reaction speed. That means a human can react to an object that is 108ft away while traveling over 300mph (I can show you the math if you like). Was Superman traveling greater than 300 mph then?
If so, then how much faster (1.5x, 2x, ...)?

Mate, you're spewing complete bullshit. The average human's reflexes aren't even enough to react when a deer jumps out in in front of their car when driving with 50 mph. 300 mhp is absurd, even Formula 1 drivers can't react at that speed.

Zod wrings her neck.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Mate, you're spewing complete bullshit. The average human's reflexes aren't even enough to react when a deer jumps out in in front of their car when driving with 50 mph. 300 mhp is absurd, even Formula 1 drivers can't react at that speed. At least you can research it. I played college baseball. A pitcher throwing 95mph will cause the ball to be in the air for about 0.4 of a second. The hitter must decide to swing AND where to swing by the time the ball is halfway. This is about 0.2 of a second, which is the best of humans.
The average human visual reaction time is 0.25 of a second.

False analogy.
A car can't stop on a dime. There is a breaking distance. Also, It takes time for the foot to travel from acceleration to brake AFTER one reacts and decides to hit the brakes. When flying like Superman, reactions ARE the speed of the actions. There is no bottleneck.

Are you seriously comparing swinging a bat with moving at hundreds of miles per hour?

This is ****ing embarrassing.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Are you seriously comparing swinging a bat with moving at hundreds of miles per hour?

This is ****ing embarrassing. No, the time it takes to react. speed is irrelevant. If you are traveling at the speed of light towards the sun then how long do you have to react to change directions?

Originally posted by h1a8
No, the time it takes to react. speed is irrelevant. If you are traveling at the speed of light towards the sun then how long do you have to react to change directions?

If you're traveling at the speed of light it would seem like the beginning and end of your journey happen at the same time. This is just nonsense.

Originally posted by Psychotron
If you're traveling at the speed of light it would seem like the beginning and end of your journey happen at the same time. This is just nonsense. You would have to react in 8 minutes. That's how long it takes to run into the Sun traveling at light speed from Earth.

Speed is irrelevant. It's about time (which is distance/speed).

Originally posted by h1a8
You would have to react in 8 minutes. That's how long it takes to run into the Sun traveling at light speed from Earth.

Speed is irrelevant. It's about time (which is distance/speed).

That's not how the speed of light works, h1. You as a self-claimed physics expert should know this.

Zod would **** her up.

You only need to see the scale and speed of Superman fighting Zod to realize this.

LoL@WW teleporting though. Like damn.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's not how the speed of light works, h1. You as a self-claimed physics expert should know this.

Ok, well 99% of the speed of light. Stop nitpicking. You get my point. Speed is irrelevant. It's all about speed AND distance to give time.

Superman traveling at high speed but is far away from an object that it he only needs 0.5 to react simply means he shown 0.5 reaction times.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Zod would **** her up.

You only need to see the scale and speed of Superman fighting Zod to realize this.

LoL@WW teleporting though. Like damn.
Her speed is scaled too. Do you know how fast you have to be to block at bullet at 10ft away? Faster than anything Zod has shown, reflex wise.

She has a sword, bracers for defense against HV, and is more skilled. This alone more than evens up any physical advantage.
She has one shot potential. She cut cut his throat, stab him, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, well 99% of the speed of light. Stop nitpicking. You get my point. Speed is irrelevant. It's all about speed AND distance to give time.

Superman traveling at high speed but is far away from an object that it he only needs 0.5 to react simply means he shown 0.5 reaction times.

You know nobody buys into your inane logic, right?

What distance did Superman have when he saved Lois from the African warlord? A few feet and yet Clark was fast and precise enough to take him out without even touching Lois (keep in mind the bad guy was holding her at gun point).

Originally posted by Psychotron
You know nobody buys into your inane logic, right?

What distance did Superman have when he saved Lois from the African warlord? A few feet and yet Clark was fast and precise enough to take him out without even touching Lois (keep in mind the bad guy was holding her at gun point).

About 15-20ft.
A bullet would have still been at least 2x faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
About 15-20ft.
A bullet would have still been at least 2x faster.

Those are some truly empirical calculations.

Originally posted by h1a8
About 15-20ft.
A bullet would have still been at least 2x faster.

Average speed of bullet is 1126 feet per second. At those speeds you would be shot before you hear the gun.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Those are some truly empirical calculations. Bullets are very fast. That's why they are invisible to the naked eye in real time.

In many cases you can be shot before you hear the fire.

No, I'm amused that you think you can correctly judge Superman's flying speed with absolutely nothing to go on.

Anyway, he wasn't going all out. Lois was there. When he did go all out he took Doomsday into space in just a few seconds. Calculate the speed of that.

I can't be bothered to read through all this, but I calculated Superman's speed once after the Man of Steel movie came out. "During the fight with Zod, while beating the cr@p out of each other, they move from the earth to crash through an orbiting satelite in less than 2 seconds. That's about 150 - 200 km/s, or about 500 times faster than a speeding bullet."

Superman can definitely fly fast.

Then we can agree nothing stops Superman from bullrushing Diana at 500 times the speed of a bullet or flying her into space before she can react.

This thread is about Zod vs WW, not Superman.

Zod didn't match Superman at the end of MoS? This is news to me.

Then why didn't you say Zod?

Simple mistake.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't Zod lose to someone that had zero known combat training?

Considering Thor has never won a fight, I dont think you have much room to talk.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't Zod lose to someone that had zero known combat training?

Twice. Once to a scientist and the other to a nerd raised on a farm.

Zod's never won a fight and he isnt winning this one either.

Originally posted by tkitna
Twice. Once to a scientist and the other to a nerd raised on a farm.

Zod's never won a fight and he isnt winning this one either.

It's gotta be that wanna be Moe Howard haircut. It saps all his ability to win anything.

Originally posted by tkitna
Twice. Once to a scientist and the other to a nerd raised on a farm.

Zod's never won a fight and he isnt winning this one either.

You acting like Zod didnt know how to fight is Hilarious because he lost to the House of El is hilarious, I guess you were dropped on your head as a child.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Then we can agree nothing stops Superman from bullrushing Diana at 500 times the speed of a bullet or flying her into space before she can react. So Zod bullrushes WW while trying to hit her at slowmo and gets his head cut off in the process.

Not arguing for anyone but showing you where the 'everyone operates at the lvl of their best feat ever' line of reasoning leads to.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
So Zod bullrushes WW while trying to hit her at slowmo and gets his head cut off in the process.

Not arguing for anyone but showing you where the 'everyone operates at the lvl of their best feat ever' line of reasoning leads to.

Except Wonder Woman's best is nowhere near Superman's. Not even close.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except Wonder Woman's best is nowhere near Superman's. Not even close.

I believe you mean Zod's, not Superman's. remember, this is Zod vs WW.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
So Zod bullrushes WW while trying to hit her at slowmo and gets his head cut off in the process.

Not arguing for anyone but showing you where the 'everyone operates at the lvl of their best feat ever' line of reasoning leads to.

You have any proof she can put a kryptonian in slo mo?

Originally posted by Sable
You acting like Zod didnt know how to fight is Hilarious because he lost to the House of El is hilarious, I guess you were dropped on your head as a child.

Who was supposed to be the badass that can beat the head of the military? Was it the scientist or the nerd?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except Wonder Woman's best is nowhere near Superman's. Not even close. Reflex-wise? Of course it is my friend.

Quit bringing up Superman in my thread buddy, he's not in this fight.

Originally posted by Sable
You have any proof she can put a kryptonian in slo mo? WW speed feats >>>>> punches thrown by Zod or Superman during their bullrushes.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
WW speed feats >>>>> punches thrown by Zod or Superman during their bullrushes.

Nope, she never put Ares or his henchman in slo mo. Neither demonstrated any type of super speed, and were able to tag her.

/thread

Just like Superman didn't bfr everyone into space as soon as the fight started?

#SHOCKED

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Reflex-wise? Of course it is my friend.

Quit bringing up Superman in my thread buddy, he's not in this fight.

Zod is Superman's equal.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Just like Superman didn't bfr everyone into space as soon as the fight started?

#SHOCKED

False equivalency, her super speed only worked on fodder.

To be fair, he tried to BFR Zod and he went for the BFR right away with DD. So that's 2 out of 4. And he did try to fly away with Faora before Nam-Ek stopped him, then he BFR'd Nam-Ek to save that bald soldier guy from Faora.

I'd say BFR is very likely for Superman.

He didn't try to bfr Zod or Faora. He didn't bfr Nam.

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't try to bfr Zod or Faora. He didn't bfr Nam.

Did you forget the part where Superman took Zod into space? Sure, it didn't work because Zod can fly too, but he tried.

As for Faora, he grabbed her and tried to fly off, but he was stopped by Nam-Ek.

He absolutely did BFR him when he punched him into a train composition a few miles away. Nam-Ek didn't return until after Faora was down.

TBH yeah he tends to give himself breathing room with BFR.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Just like Superman didn't bfr everyone into space as soon as the fight started?

#SHOCKED

He pretty much tries to BFR everyone.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Did you forget the part where Superman took Zod into space? Sure, it didn't work because Zod can fly too, but he tried.

As for Faora, he grabbed her and tried to fly off, but he was stopped by Nam-Ek.

He absolutely did BFR him when he punched him into a train composition a few miles away. Nam-Ek didn't return until after Faora was down.

How can you bfr someone that can fly? Superman isn't stupid. The fight just carried out there. Superman wasn't trying to bfr him.
P.S. I don't remember Superman trying to take Zod to space (DD yes).

Superman wasn't trying to bfr Faora. He was just bull rushing her.

Superman only attempted bfr once, with DD.

Originally posted by h1a8
How can you bfr someone that can fly? Superman isn't stupid. The fight just carried out there. Superman wasn't trying to bfr him.
P.S. I don't remember Superman trying to take Zod to space (DD yes).

Superman wasn't trying to bfr Faora. He was just bull rushing her.

He was trying to remove him from Metropolis so they don't cause more damage. That's pretty literally battlefield removal.

They brought down a satelite. Don't you remember?

Bullrusing her by grabbing her with one hand and attempting to fly off? Don't be silly.

BFR is in character for Clark.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He was trying to remove him from Metropolis so they don't cause more damage. That's pretty literally battlefield removal.

They brought down a satelite. Don't you remember?

Bullrusing her by grabbing her with one hand and attempting to fly off? Don't be silly.

BFR is in character for Clark. That's not bfr. Bfr is not when you also remove yourself from The battlefield.

Remember, leaving the battlefield is not allowed.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not bfr. Bfr is not when you also remove yourself from The battlefield.

Remember, leaving the battlefield is not allowed.

That wasn't a stipulation in that fight so that's irrelevant. Under forum rules Superman absolutelly would go for a BFR.