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Fight takes place in Smallville

Who wins

Faora.

Kurse

Kurse is slow as **** and has crap durability showings.

Faora beats him down and pegs him.

Kurse rag dolls the shit out of her.

Does he have the speed feats to even hit her? Rangdolling Thor isnt a qualifier to suggest he csn do the same to her.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Kurse rag dolls the shit out of her.

How is he even going to hit her?

By balling up his fist, and swinging it at her face.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
By balling up his fist, and swinging it at her face. She would either dodge it (like she did Superman) or simply catch it.

Faora

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Kurse rag dolls the shit out of her.

What feats does Kurse have that puts him above Faora?

Originally posted by h1a8
She would either dodge it (like she did Superman) or simply catch it.

No she wouldn't.

Actually she would, she could stop Supermans punches

Pfft, so?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
By balling up his fist, and swinging it at her face.

It would literally be in slow motion for her.

And if she could take Superman's punches Kurse won't do much to her.

Superman's striking feats are not that good, Kurse hits way harder. Plus Faora died in some shitty plane crash, and it took a localized black hole to take out Kurse. She prob won't even be able to hurt him.

Did it? Meh, she still sucked.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Superman's striking feats are not that good, Kurse hits way harder. Plus Faora died in some shitty plane crash, and it took a localized black hole to take out Kurse. She prob won't even be able to hurt him.

Is this bait? Every strike Superman and Zod exchanged was causing shockwaves, they demolised half the city. Thor and Hulk couldn't even damage the helicarrier. Superman's strength feats trump Kurse in every way, and Faora was holding her own against him.

Faora didn't die, she was pulled in by the singularity. Kurse was stabbed and taken out by a mini black hole. Superman, on the other hand, overpowered a much larger singularity. Kurse also has no answer to Faora's speed either.

Faora stomps the holy hell out of Kurse. You could throw in Thor and Hulk to back up Kurse and they'd still lose.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Superman's striking feats are not that good, Kurse hits way harder. Plus Faora died in some shitty plane crash, and it took a localized black hole to take out Kurse. She prob won't even be able to hurt him.

You have no proof Kurse hits harder, Faora didnt die in a plane crash.

Faora is faster than Kurse, but Kurse was fast enough to swat Mjolnir away blindsided. That's still some pretty good reaction feats.

Kurse has better durability feats. Faora tanked bullets but then so did Loki. Kurse, however, tanked getting stabbed by an elven blade wielded by Loki... Faora has not taken anything quite as powerful.

Plus there's the fact that if Faora's helmet is damaged, that will probably lead to her getting knocked out.

Anyway, Faora has the speed, mobility and seemingly skill advantage. Kurse has the durability and strength advantage.

Kurse isnt stronger or more durable by any means. Krptonians can casually toss trains, pull oceanliners, hold rockets over their head etc.

lol Faora wins.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Superman's striking feats are not that good, Kurse hits way harder. Plus Faora died in some shitty plane crash, and it took a localized black hole to take out Kurse. She prob won't even be able to hurt him. Superman's striking feats are greater than Kurse's. I can easily prove it.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
No she wouldn't. What would prevent her, given her speed and reaction feats?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Faora is faster than Kurse, but Kurse was fast enough to swat Mjolnir away blindsided. That's still some pretty good reaction feats.

Kurse has better durability feats. Faora tanked bullets but then so did Loki. Kurse, however, tanked getting stabbed by an elven blade wielded by Loki... Faora has not taken anything quite as powerful.

Plus there's the fact that if Faora's helmet is damaged, that will probably lead to her getting knocked out.

Anyway, Faora has the speed, mobility and seemingly skill advantage. Kurse has the durability and strength advantage.

Elven blade with no feats. But giving them the benefit of the doubt, I would say they are on par with the strongest metals humans can make unless there is proof otherwise.

Mjolnir wasn't moving that fast when Kurse swat it away.

Kurse has no strength feats above a kryptonian. Faora is strong as shit, easily rivaling Superman. She casually stopped his blows and threw him a mile crushing a thick steel vault bank door.

Sure she's faster, but I don't think she can put him down. Kurse wasn't hurt or injured any during the film and he got stabbed twice. If he gets ahold of her, she's done.

Kurses weakness is iron and metal, Im suprised no one knew this, hence them showing the first Kurse dead on the ground impaled by a bunch of swords. Kind of hilarious a bunch of comicbook and movie gurus never knew this or caught on.

Originally posted by Sable
Kurses weakness is iron and metal, Im suprised no one knew this, hence them showing the first Kurse dead on the ground impaled by a bunch of swords. Kind of hilarious a bunch of comicbook and movie gurus never knew this or caught on.

They "don't know it" because it was never shown or stated in the movie. the example you used doesn't actually prove what you think it does.

It was shown, in the begining of the movie when kurse was lying dead impaled by a bunch of swords. Which tracks percectly with the comics, anything else?

Originally posted by Sable
It was shown, in the begining of the movie when kurse was lying dead impaled by a bunch of swords. Which tracks percectly with the comics, anything else?

So Kryptonians are also weak to iron and metal? after all, we've seen them injured by swords.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So Kryptonians are also weak to iron and metal? after all, we've seen them injured by swords.

Nice goal post moving, wont work, strawman. Watch the movie.

Originally posted by Sable
Nice goal post moving, wont work, strawman. Watch the movie.

Your proof that Kurse is weak to iron and metal is because swords were able to injure another of his kind. I'm using your standards.

Now, answer the question.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your proof that Kurse is weak to iron and metal is because swords were able to injure another of his kind. I'm using your standards.

Now, answer the question.

Superman was never injured by any sword, stawman. You know he is weak to metal, if you don't, you are pretty dumb. Kurse is clearly weak to metal as per screen feats, should we ask for a mod ruling?

Originally posted by h1a8
Elven blade with no feats. But giving them the benefit of the doubt, I would say they are on par with the strongest metals humans can make unless there is proof otherwise.

Mjolnir wasn't moving that fast when Kurse swat it away.

Kurse has no strength feats above a kryptonian. Faora is strong as shit, easily rivaling Superman. She casually stopped his blows and threw him a mile crushing a thick steel vault bank door.

Elven blades that can hurt and kill Asgardians. We've seen what man-made steel does to Asgardians: absolutely nothing. An Asgardian farmer casually crumpled a tactical knife in his hand. There's your proof.

And if you say Mjolnir wasn't moving that fast when Kurse swatted it away, I can also say that Superman wasn't moving that fast when he hit Faora.

Also, why is everyone who's pro-Faora ignoring the fact that she has this big mask weakness?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Elven blades that can hurt and kill Asgardians. We've seen what man-made steel does to Asgardians: absolutely nothing. An Asgardian farmer casually crumpled a tactical knife in his hand. There's your proof.

And if you say Mjolnir wasn't moving that fast when Kurse swatted it away, I can also say that Superman wasn't moving that fast when he hit Faora.


And Dark Elves have a weakness to metal. Interesting you leave that part out.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Also, why is everyone who's pro-Faora ignoring the fact that she has this big mask weakness?

Yea like the mask crumbles after what, one hit? It took a long fight plus Superman smashing her into the ground while flying to get it to show sign of weakness. Kurse doesn't have that type of speed of power.

Originally posted by Sable
Superman was never injured by any sword, stawman. You know he is weak to metal, if you don't, you are pretty dumb. Kurse is clearly weak to metal as per screen feats, should we ask for a mod ruling?

Doomsday was injured by a sword, Now answer my question.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Doomsday was injured by a sword, Now answer my question.

Doomsday was't a kryptonian. I already answered your question. You seem to be a bit ticked off that Kurse was taken down by swords. You also said "krptonians" so who is the other krptonian?

Originally posted by Sable
Doomsday was't kryptonian. Nice try, I already answered your question.

LOL!!!

You think he was krptonian? If so, why didn't he look, act, or have the same powers as krptonians like flight, X-ray vision, genius?

Originally posted by Sable
You think he was krptonian? If so, why didn't he look, act, or have the same powers as krptonians genius?

I'm quoting these so you can't delete them.

Why would I delete them? Again, why did you lie and say Kurse didn't have a weakness to metal?

Originally posted by Sable
You think he was krptonian? I mean, he was essentially Zod's reanimated corpse after being experimented on by Luthor, and he was only killed when he was impaled by a Kryptonite spear, so, well, yeah, he was a Kryptonian.

Originally posted by Sable
Why would I delete them? Again, why did you lie and say Kurse didn't have a weakness to metal?

This is priceless.

Originally posted by Sable
Kurses weakness is iron and metal, Im suprised no one knew this, hence them showing the first Kurse dead on the ground impaled by a bunch of swords. Kind of hilarious a bunch of comicbook and movie gurus never knew this or caught on.

If we didn't catch on as you say, then how is Faora going to know and why bring it up?

Originally posted by Sable
You think he was krptonian? If so, why didn't he look, act, or have the same powers as krptonians like flight, X-ray vision, genius?



He was killed by kryptonite and was reanimated from Zod. Hell yes he was kryptonian.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Kurse has better durability feats. Faora tanked bullets but then so did Loki. Kurse, however, tanked getting stabbed by an elven blade wielded by Loki... Faora has not taken anything quite as powerful.


Uh, how did he tank that when it went right through him? That's pain tolerance at best.

Kurse was killed by a mini version of something that Superman flat out overpowered. That should tell you the power difference between Kurse and Kryptonians.

You mean the "singularity" that couldn't even injure Lois?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You mean the "singularity" that couldn't even injure Lois? Then again, that "singularity" destroyed a huge chunk of Metropolis. I'd chalk Lois up to PIS, because then the argument could potentially go stupid places like "that technically makes Lois more durable than steel and concrete" in the name of trolling.

If it's PIS, it can hardly be used as a feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You mean the "singularity" that couldn't even injure Lois?

It's PIS unless you wanna argue that Lois is more powerful than Kryptonian ships. Either way Superman has other durability feats that put him above Kurse, who couldn't even tank an attack by Loki.

If it's PIS, why bring it up?

The Lois part is PIS, the rest is consistent.

Originally posted by tkitna
If we didn't catch on as you say, then how is Faora going to know and why bring it up?

Has nothing to do with Faora, it's the simple fact people were saying he has great durability when he doesn't have good durability showings lie Faora. I just thought it was funny people were arguing his great durability and especially against metal, when it's the exact opposite.

Originally posted by tkitna


He was killed by kryptonite and was reanimated from Zod. Hell yes he was kryptonian.

He was part krptonian, part something else.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The Lois part is PIS, the rest is consistent.

You don't get to pick and choose. either it counts for both or them, or it doesn't count for either.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Also, why is everyone who's pro-Faora ignoring the fact that she has this big mask weakness? Because she won't get touched. Thus it's irrelevant.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Elven blades that can hurt and kill Asgardians. We've seen what man-made steel does to Asgardians: absolutely nothing. An Asgardian farmer casually crumpled a tactical knife in his hand. There's your proof.

And if you say Mjolnir wasn't moving that fast when Kurse swatted it away, I can also say that Superman wasn't moving that fast when he hit Faora.

Not all Asgardians are the same. They don't share feats. Some are not bulletproof. And I said the STRONGEST metals humans can make. These are a lot stronger than whatever the knife that farmer had a feat on.

Yes you can. As long as you understand that Mjolnir wasn't moving that fast when Kurse hit it (less than the speed of sound). It also traveled from far away and could be heard coming.


Originally posted by NemeBro
I mean, he was essentially Zod's reanimated corpse after being experimented on by Luthor, and he was only killed when he was impaled by a Kryptonite spear, so, well, yeah, he was a Kryptonian. He wasn't 100% kryptonian. He looked differently, had healing and adaptive abilities, etc.

He did retain some attributes of kryptonians though.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Uh, how did he tank that when it went right through him? That's pain tolerance at best.

Kurse was killed by a mini version of something that Superman flat out overpowered. That should tell you the power difference between Kurse and Kryptonians.

The fact that he didn't die after getting a sword run through him is tanking it. The fact that it didn't really seem to bother him is tanking it. Tanking something is not equivalent to being invulnerable.

There's also the fact that Faora has never been hit with a weapon meant to take down a superhuman opponent, which this elven blade was. Superman was only ever shot with an alien weapon and it clearly hurt him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't get to pick and choose. either it counts for both or them, or it doesn't count for either. The claim is that Lois surviving the singularity is PIS. That doesn't mean everything else about the singularity is thrown out when the sole inconsistency is Lois surviving it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Superman was only ever shot with an alien weapon and it clearly hurt him. What are you referring to here? I don't recall.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What are you referring to here? I don't recall.

He was shot by Zod's ship if I'm not mistaken. And that clearly hurt him. We have not seen any of the kryptonians hurt by man-made weapons (unless you count Batman's kryptonite gun) but then no Asgardian has really been hurt by a man-made weapon either that I recall.

So Kurse getting run through with that Elven blade and still continue fighting is a higher durability feat than any Faora has shown.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The fact that he didn't die after getting a sword run through him is tanking it. The fact that it didn't really seem to bother him is tanking it. Tanking something is not equivalent to being invulnerable.

There's also the fact that Faora has never been hit with a weapon meant to take down a superhuman opponent, which this elven blade was. Superman was only ever shot with an alien weapon and it clearly hurt him.

Look if you wanna argue that Kurse has good damage soak, fine. But his durability is crap. I mean do you honestly think he is in any way comparable to beings who can survive nukes?

Faora has been hit by Superman's fist, which I think we can all agree, is far more destructive than a sword wielded by Loki.

Superman was unharmed by Zod's ship blast, just knocked back. He wasn't KOed or anything.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Look if you wanna argue that Kurse has good damage soak, fine. But his durability is crap. I mean do you honestly think he is in any way comparable to beings who can survive nukes?

Faora has been hit by Superman's fist, which I think we can all agree, is far more destructive than a sword wielded by Loki.

Superman was unharmed by Zod's ship blast, just knocked back. He wasn't KOed or anything.

That's like saying getting punched by a heavyweight MMA fighter in the face is more destructive than getting stabbed with a knife in the face by a 15 yr old kid. Which would you rather get hit with?


Superman only survived the nuke via recharge from the sun. Without that recharge he'd be a gonner. Thor at least withstood the biforst explosion without harm and without any "healing" period. Now, Loki is not Thor, but then Faora is also not Superman.

If it counts as a durability feat, it counts for everyone involved, you don't get to selectively apply PIS.

Originally posted by Sable
Has nothing to do with Faora, it's the simple fact people were saying he has great durability when he doesn't have good durability showings lie Faora. I just thought it was funny people were arguing his great durability and especially against metal, when it's the exact opposite.

There was no indication in the movie that he even had a weakness to Iron or any metal so why bring that up? This isn't the comics. As for durability showings, I guess there wasn't any because there wasn't any Asgardians that could actually harm him. The guy didn't get hurt even once. He got stabbed twice though. One sword he casually knocked out of him and the other time he actually used the sword impaled within him as a weapon. I don't know what you want to call that, but its pretty damn impressive.

Originally posted by Psychotron

Faora has been hit by Superman's fist, which I think we can all agree, is far more destructive than a sword wielded by Loki.


No

Originally posted by FrothByte
The fact that he didn't die after getting a sword run through him is tanking it. The fact that it didn't really seem to bother him is tanking it. Tanking something is not equivalent to being invulnerable.

There's also the fact that Faora has never been hit with a weapon meant to take down a superhuman opponent, which this elven blade was. Superman was only ever shot with an alien weapon and it clearly hurt him. No it's not. Anyone crazy can get a sword run through them and not care. This is if it doesn't hit any vital organs. Getting a sword run through you has no bearing on how difficult it is to ko you. They are two different things.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If it counts as a durability feat, it counts for everyone involved, you don't get to selectively apply PIS. In that case, all of Hulk's durability feats don't count because his pants survived it well.

Originally posted by tkitna
There was no indication in the movie that he even had a weakness to Iron or any metal so why bring that up? This isn't the comics. As for durability showings, I guess there wasn't any because there wasn't any Asgardians that could actually harm him. The guy didn't get hurt even once. He got stabbed twice though. One sword he casually knocked out of him and the other time he actually used the sword impaled within him as a weapon. I don't know what you want to call that, but its pretty damn impressive. That's not impressive at all. It has no bearing on this fight whatsoever.

Originally posted by tkitna
There was no indication in the movie that he even had a weakness to Iron or any metal so why bring that up? This isn't the comics. As for durability showings, I guess there wasn't any because there wasn't any Asgardians that could actually harm him. The guy didn't get hurt even once. He got stabbed twice though. One sword he casually knocked out of him and the other time he actually used the sword impaled within him as a weapon. I don't know what you want to call that, but its pretty damn impressive.

He has no strength or durability showings that hold water on Faora. He was mainly output.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He was shot by Zod's ship if I'm not mistaken. And that clearly hurt him. We have not seen any of the kryptonians hurt by man-made weapons (unless you count Batman's kryptonite gun) but then no Asgardian has really been hurt by a man-made weapon either that I recall.

So Kurse getting run through with that Elven blade and still continue fighting is a higher durability feat than any Faora has shown. You don't know how durable the blade was. The writer didn't offer anything special about it. Thus it is assumed to be a normal blade. At best, equal to the hardest alloys humans can produce.

Originally posted by h1a8
No it's not. Anyone crazy can get a sword run through them and not care. This is if it doesn't hit any vital organs. Getting a sword run through you has no bearing on how difficult it is to ko you. They are two different things.

I'd like you to show me proof of a human with a 3 inch wide blade run through his/her sternum with that person walking around like nothing happened.

Originally posted by h1a8
In that case, all of Hulk's durability feats don't count because his pants survived it well.

He wont have anything to refute that. Hulks pants are now as tough as he is.

Originally posted by h1a8
You don't know how durable the blade was. The writer didn't offer anything special about it. Thus it is assumed to be a normal blade. At best, equal to the hardest alloys humans can produce.

I know the elven weapons were durable enough to kill Asgardians. We know that human weapons have so far been ineffective on Asgardians. Thus that sword is way stronger than any human equivalent we've seen so far.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'd like you to show me proof of a human with a 3 inch wide blade run through his/her sternum with that person walking around like nothing happened.

Yeah seriously. Show me that and i'll concede.

Originally posted by h1a8
In that case, all of Hulk's durability feats don't count because his pants survived it well.

I challenge you to a BZ, Lois vs Hulk in regards to durability. do you accept?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'd like you to show me proof of a human with a 3 inch wide blade run through his/her sternum with that person walking around like nothing happened. Its happened at least once. The pole or whatever missed every single vital organ miraculously and inpaled a human. He didn't know he was impaled until someone told him a little while after it happened. This happened years ago.

Kurse is not even human. His sternum could be non vital. His anatomy totally different. It has no bearing on how difficult it is to knock him out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I challenge you to a BZ, Lois vs Hulk in regards to durability. do you accept?

Don't try and get out of it, from your statement, you would also think Hulks pants are as tough as he is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I challenge you to a BZ, Lois vs Hulk in regards to durability. do you accept? What does that got to do with your point? You are arguing that you can't separate other things from a feat. Either it's a feat for both or PIS for both

Originally posted by Sable
Don't try and get out of it, from your statement, you would also think Hulks pants are as tough as he is.

Originally posted by h1a8
What does that got to do with your point? You are arguing that you can't separate other things from a feat. Either it's a feat for both or PIS for both

We are not talking about two separate instances here, it happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.

If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.

You said Lois is as tough as Superman, so then Hulk pants would be as tough as he is.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's like saying getting punched by a heavyweight MMA fighter in the face is more destructive than getting stabbed with a knife in the face by a 15 yr old kid. Which would you rather get hit with?


Superman only survived the nuke via recharge from the sun. Without that recharge he'd be a gonner. Thor at least withstood the biforst explosion without harm and without any "healing" period. Now, Loki is not Thor, but then Faora is also not Superman.

No, that's like saying getting hit by a speeding lorry is more destructive than getting stabbed by a knife. And I'd rather get stabbed.

That would imply he was dead, which he wasn't. I think you're forgetting that right before that fight Superman was hit with Kryptonite gas twice in the middle of the night with no sunlight to recharge him. So he took that nuke at less than 100% power. He also has the Singularity and World Engine feats to back up his durability. What does Kurse have, getting stabbed by Loki and dying from something Superman would laugh off?

No, Faora is not Superman, but she is a lot closer to him than Loki is to Thor.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, that's like saying getting hit by a speeding lorry is more destructive than getting stabbed by a knife. And I'd rather get stabbed.

That would imply he was dead, which he wasn't. I think you're forgetting that right before that fight Superman was hit with Kryptonite gas twice in the middle of the night with no sunlight to recharge him. So he took that nuke at less than 100% power. He also has the Singularity and World Engine feats to back up his durability. What does Kurse have, getting stabbed by Loki and dying from something Superman would laugh off?

No, Faora is not Superman, but she is a lot closer to him than Loki is to Thor.

My bad, I meant Kurse is closer to Thor (and even more) than Faora is closer to Superman. At least in terms of durability. Faora can't even remove her helmet without getting KO'd.

As for your analogy, you're completely off here. Loki has a good deal of superhuman strength. Maybe not as much as Superman but it's still not a small amount. Anyone who can trade blows with Thor is no laughing matter. So your comparison of a lorry is completely exaggerated.

So I repeat, which would you rather get hit with: A punch to the face by a heavyweight professional fighter or a stab to the face with a knife by a little kid?

Originally posted by Silent Master
We are not talking about two separate instances here, it happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.

If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.

I never said anything about two separate instances. I said separate things (objects).
You know like Hulk and his pants.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never said anything about two separate instances. I said separate things (objects).
You know like Hulk and his pants.


It happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.

If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.

But Hulks pants are tougher then he is with youe Lois logic.

Kurse still wins. I'm glad that's settled.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.

If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.

I'm not disagreeing. I didn't give a stance yet. I'm just saying that your argument must apply across the board. Hulk's durability feats suck or his pants are tougher than him.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not disagreeing. I didn't give a stance yet. I'm just saying that your argument must apply across the board. Hulk's durability feats suck or his pants are tougher than him.

My stance is that feats that involve multiple people either count for all of them, or none of them.

If you disagree, my offer to BZ is still open.

Originally posted by Silent Master
My stance is that feats that involve multiple people either count for all of them, or none of them.

If you disagree, my offer to BZ is still open. How is this logically consistent?

If someone disagrees with that assertion they are saying that Lois isn't nearly as durable as Superman (or Hulk, for that matter), because with Lois specifically her surviving is PIS.

So if they disagree with your stance that feats that involve multiple people either count for all or none or them, they are saying that they can in fact count or not count depending on the individual character, so they don't believe that Lois is as durable as the Hulk or more, which is what you would want them to debate, despite that not being what they believe.

You didn't really think this one through.

You're really asking how applying the same standard to everyone is logically consistent?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're really asking how applying the same standard to everyone is logically consistent? You might want to reread my post.

Originally posted by FrothByte
My bad, I meant Kurse is closer to Thor (and even more) than Faora is closer to Superman. At least in terms of durability. Faora can't even remove her helmet without getting KO'd.

As for your analogy, you're completely off here. Loki has a good deal of superhuman strength. Maybe not as much as Superman but it's still not a small amount. Anyone who can trade blows with Thor is no laughing matter. So your comparison of a lorry is completely exaggerated.

So I repeat, which would you rather get hit with: A punch to the face by a heavyweight professional fighter or a stab to the face with a knife by a little kid?

That's not a durability issue, though. That's sensory overload. And those masks aren't that fragile. Zod's mask took multiple shots from an enraged Superman and a gas station exploding before it started "crack". Similarly, Faora's mask took quite a bit of punishment before being destroyed. Honestly, considering Thor only had a some light cuts on his face after a beatdown from Kurse, I'd say her mask will hold just fine. Assuming he can even tag someone that fast, of course.

It's not, Superman is a lot stronger than Thor, never mind Loki.

He didn't get stabbed in the face, however. He got stabbed in the chest, and obviously no vitals were hit. Real humans have fought on after similar injuries, so while impressive, it's not a game changer.

Originally posted by Silent Master
My stance is that feats that involve multiple people either count for all of them, or none of them.

If you disagree, my offer to BZ is still open.
So multiple people and not people and objects?

Kurse is slow, but he physically b*tch slapped Thor's hammer away. That's among the greatest strength feats in the Marvel movies IMO. Even Hulk could not budge the hammer.

Slapping it away isnt the same as picking it up. Its never been stated the hammer cant be redirected. His hammer is easily destroyed in the upcoming movie as well.

How does one come to the conclusion that Superman is so much stronger than Thor? Superman lifts shit sure, but Thor's striking feats are better, and that's what matters in a fight.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
How does one come to the conclusion that Superman is so much stronger than Thor? Superman lifts shit sure, but Thor's striking feats are better, and that's what matters in a fight.

Because he has better striking feats, if you actually watched the movie you would know.

Originally posted by Sable
Slapping it away isnt the same as picking it up. Its never been stated the hammer cant be redirected. His hammer is easily destroyed in the upcoming movie as well.

When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.

It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is.

Originally posted by Surtur
When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.

It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is.

QS has no super strength though, but, yeah you're probably right anyways.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's not a durability issue, though. That's sensory overload. And those masks aren't that fragile. Zod's mask took multiple shots from an enraged Superman and a gas station exploding before it started "crack". Similarly, Faora's mask took quite a bit of punishment before being destroyed. Honestly, considering Thor only had a some light cuts on his face after a beatdown from Kurse, I'd say her mask will hold just fine. Assuming he can even tag someone that fast, of course.

It's not, Superman is a lot stronger than Thor, never mind Loki.

He didn't get stabbed in the face, however. He got stabbed in the chest, and obviously no vitals were hit. Real humans have fought on after similar injuries, so while impressive, it's not a game changer.

Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.

You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.

Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
QS has no super strength though, but, yeah you're probably right anyways.

You are correct, but yeah the way the scene was setup it seemed like it was meant to say it was the enchantment that prevented it.

Though he did seem to be easily lifting up humans when he was snatching all those people off the train.

Originally posted by Surtur
When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.

It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is.

Grabbing the handle instsntly activates the enchantment. Same with when Hulk tried to grab the handle mid flight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.

You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.

Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.

He didnt just have a few scratches. He was almost killed.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
How does one come to the conclusion that Superman is so much stronger than Thor? Superman lifts shit sure, but Thor's striking feats are better, and that's what matters in a fight.

Superman striking feats with his fists are far greater than Thor's striking feats with Mjolnir.

Even if they were similar then Superman would prove significantly stronger since Mjolnir greatly amps Thor's striking power.


Originally posted by Surtur
Kurse is slow, but he physically b*tch slapped Thor's hammer away. That's among the greatest strength feats in the Marvel movies IMO. Even Hulk could not budge the hammer. The lifting enchantment has no bearing on the return enchantment. A random metal door could initially stop the hammer from returning to Thor.

Originally posted by Surtur
When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.

It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is. Quicksilver doesn't have super strength.
Even if the hammer had no enchantment then we would get same result. QS would have to overcome tons of force (assuming Thor threw it with that level of force) just to stop it within a small distance.

Also, QS tried to GRAB the hammer, not hit it away.

Originally posted by h1a8
Quicksilver doesn't have super strength.
Even if the hammer had no enchantment then we would get same result. QS would have to overcome tons of force (assuming Thor threw it with that level of force) just to stop it within a small distance. He didn't have to overcome tons of force to smash through the Ultron bots, so no he doesn't. It's definitely the enchantment that stopped him from catching it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.

You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.

Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.

I gave you an example. Not that it matters as Kurse could have a different physiology than a human. vital organs could have been missed. It's irrelevant to how hard it is to ko him.

The proof of sensory overload is her facial expression before she was hit by the missile. This affected her somewhat and was a factor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.

You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.

Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.

Really? Because Faora's durability was never challenged. She was KOed by sensory overload.

Yes, I do. Her helmet was on the fritz after Superman hit her to save the bald soldier guy. Then she gets hit by a missile. In the next scene her helmet is gone and she's unconscious. The previous scene with Zod's helmet and senses established that Kryptonians are vulnerable to sensory overload.

I don't know about swords, but check this out
http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-pussy.html

Fighting on despite sustaining mortal wounds is possible even for a human. It shouldn't be a big deal for a dark elf on fantasy PCP.

By the way, you still haven't explained how a slow brick like Kurse will even hit Faora.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman striking feats with his fists are far greater than Thor's striking feats with Mjolnir.

Even if they were similar then Superman would prove significantly stronger since Mjolnir greatly amps Thor's striking power.


Superman doesn't have anything close to destroying the rainbow bridge or Sokovia. even in the Malekith fight, which is a lot more tame than Thor's high end stuff, there were instances of generating very similar levels of force as the Superman Zod fight.

Additionally, I don't even know why I'm talking about Superman, Faora is a far cry from Superman. She's has a few hours max, of sunlight exposure, where as Supes has 30+ years.

Sokovia was a shared feat.

Destroying the World Engine is better, anyway.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
He didn't have to overcome tons of force to smash through the Ultron bots, so no he doesn't. It's definitely the enchantment that stopped him from catching it. They had terrible durability. BW, Cap, and Hawkeye were damaging them. Inverse ninja rule dude.

But I agree that speed increases his striking power. (Not lifting strength). But the strength of Thor is vastly greater than the durability of those bots.


Lastly he slowed the hammer down and altered its path the moment he grabbed it. It fell down straight down a level and was stopped.

A more precise showing to support the enchantment would be the Hulk showing.

Then the argument now becomes, "the enchantment is activated when something tries to possess Mjolnir ".

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Superman doesn't have anything close to destroying the rainbow bridge or Sokovia. even in the Malekith fight, which is a lot more tame than Thor's high end stuff, there were instances of generating very similar levels of force as the Superman Zod fight.

Additionally, I don't even know why I'm talking about Superman, Faora is a far cry from Superman. She's has a few hours max, of sunlight exposure, where as Supes has 30+ years. Do you know how many times Thor struck the bridge? The total feat is divided by the number of strikes. Also you do not know how durable the bridge was. You have no point of reference.

Sokovia was a shared feat by many factors. First of all, it was Thor's lightning that did more than the actual strike. IM played a part, the engines played a part, and the structural integrity played a part (good luck lifting a building without it crumbling from a domino effect).

Faora is strong as shit. She casually stopped Superman's punches and threw him a mile into a solid thick steel bank vault door. The door was instantly crushed from impact. I barely see Kurse doing something like that.

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you know how many times Thor struck the bridge? The total feat is divided by the number of strikes. Also you do not know how durable the bridge was. You have no point of reference.

Sokovia was a shared feat by many factors. First of all, it was Thor's lightning that did more than the actual strike. IM played a part, the engines played a part, and the structural integrity played a part (good luck lifting a building without it crumbling from a domino effect).

Faora is strong as shit. She casually stopped Superman's punches and threw him a mile into a solid thick steel bank vault door. The door was instantly crushed from impact. I barely see Kurse doing something like that.

It doesn't matter how durable it was, you see the destruction Thor's strikes caused. Sokovia is a bit muddy I agree, but you can clear as day see a city wide shockwave that coincides with Thor's strike. The nuclear explosion could be the engines, I'm not really sure TBH. Never the less, crushing (at the very least) the surface of a whole city with a single hit is beyond anything Superman has done thus far.

Yeah she's strong, but she's not up to snuff. She caught Superman off guard, he was able to fight her and Nam-Ek at the same time.

The movie clearly showed that that was a result of the vibranium core, not Thor's strike.

Originally posted by h1a8
So multiple people and not people and objects?

If you disagree with my stance, we can BZ it.

The initial damage was all Thor.

It wasn't. Iron Man did some science shit to the core, it lit up with a blue light, Thor hit it, and the whole thing went off with blue energy ripping the city apart.

Even if you give the core half credit, it's still a massive feat.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It wasn't. Iron Man did some science shit to the core, it lit up with a blue light, Thor hit it, and the whole thing went off with blue energy ripping the city apart.

The same blue energy that was emitted when Thor destroyed the rainbow bridge. Might not be a coincidence...

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
The same blue energy that was emitted when Thor destroyed the rainbow bridge. Might not be a coincidence...

So Tony blew up both?

The more you know.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So Tony blew up both?

The more you know.

Obviously not.

I don't recall anything being said about the vibranium core being explosive. I remember Tony saying he will overload it so it won't keep the island together.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if you give the core half credit, it's still a massive feat.

Cept it wasnt a punching feat

Originally posted by Silent Master
The initial damage was all Thor.

Hammer feat, not a striking feat.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
It doesn't matter how durable it was, you see the destruction Thor's strikes caused. Sokovia is a bit muddy I agree, but you can clear as day see a city wide shockwave that coincides with Thor's strike. The nuclear explosion could be the engines, I'm not really sure TBH. Never the less, crushing (at the very least) the surface of a whole city with a single hit is beyond anything Superman has done thus far.

Yeah she's strong, but she's not up to snuff. She caught Superman off guard, he was able to fight her and Nam-Ek at the same time.

What you don't understand is that Thor barely did anything with the strike. It was the insane lightning that he channeled in the reactor that did the most from him. A typical lightning strike lasts for a few micro seconds and carries Giga joules of energy. A lightning strike that lasts for a second would have thousands of times more energy. Thor was absorbing lightning for several seconds. This is an insane amount of energy.
Plus it was a domino effect. Like a building collapse under its own weight.

Fighting both at the same time doesn't prove he's stronger. She casually stopped his attack. This alone proves that they are peers. Nam, imo, would beat the hell out of Clark by himself.

Originally posted by h1a8
What you don't understand is that Thor barely did anything with the strike. It was the insane lightning that he channeled in the reactor that did the most from him. A typical lightning strike lasts for a few micro seconds and carries Giga joules of energy. A lightning strike that lasts for a second would have thousands of times more energy. Thor was absorbing lightning for several seconds. This is an insane amount of energy.
Plus it was a domino effect. Like a building collapse under its own weight.

Fighting both at the same time doesn't prove he's stronger. She casually stopped his attack. This alone proves that they are peers. Nam, imo, would beat the hell out of Clark by himself.


What you don't you understand is you can't apply "science" to fantasy based films, that don't care about the laws of physics. Yes, it was a charged hammer strike, and no that doesn't mean it's not a striking feat. It's hilarious the kind of hoops you goofs will jump through to try and discredit a feat.

Dude wtf is wrong with you? What kind of drugs are you on that allow you to do the mental gymnastics that lead you to the conclusion Nam Ek>Superman? That's so stupid I don't even know what to say.

Nobody claimed it was a fist feat, try and keep up.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
How does one come to the conclusion that Superman is so much stronger than Thor? Superman lifts shit sure, but Thor's striking feats are better, and that's what matters in a fight.

Thors average striking feat with his hammer is way below Supermans average punch

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nobody claimed it was a fist feat, try and keep up.

I see you conceded the "Lois is tougher then Superman" arguement

Originally posted by Sable
I see you conceded the "Lois is tougher then Superman" arguement

I never made that argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
What you don't understand is that Thor barely did anything with the strike. It was the insane lightning that he channeled in the reactor that did the most from him. A typical lightning strike lasts for a few micro seconds and carries Giga joules of energy. A lightning strike that lasts for a second would have thousands of times more energy. Thor was absorbing lightning for several seconds. This is an insane amount of energy.
Plus it was a domino effect. Like a building collapse under its own weight.

For once h1 is correct.

Ya, at least in part, gotta give h1 some credit where credit is due: Thor used a hammer strike on Steve's vibranium shield in the opening Age of Ultron Hydra base attack, from which the energy was reflected forward to take out the Hydra soldiers and tank. In the finale, the following happens as a callback to that moment in the film's opening:

- Tony overloads the vibranium core in the land mass
- Thor charges hammer for a monster strike
- Thor strikes the land mass, reflecting the energy throughout the vibranium core outward to destroy the land mass

So, while I'm not completely agreeing with h1 in that Thor barely did anything, he is in correct in that it's difficult to quantify just how much Thor did.

It's questionable to take Thor's Sokovia hammer feat and make him into a continent-buster when the movie establishes how a Mjolnir-to-vibranium connection works earlier in the film. It's a plot device established in the beginning to be used at the end.

For the record on this fight:

Faora

Pros:
- Has a big-time speed and quickness advantage
- Has Hulk-style long distance jumps for mobility
- Has Kryptonian durability. She can be knocked back by heavy machine gun fire or missiles and Krypto-opponent hits, but receives no permanent damage.

Cons:
- Mask weakness

Kurse

Pros:
- Massive massive durability (causing and then taking that Asgard shield generator tower explosion right in front of him, getting stabbed and continuing to - seemingly - kill Loki)
- Strength to slap away Mjolnir and keep Thor pinned down with ground-pounding

Cons:
- Much slower and less mobile than Faora


Deciding factors:

- Can Kurse eventually get a hold of Faora due to her substantially superior maneuverability?
- Can Kurse damage Faora's mask to cause Earth's atmosphere to get through?
- Can Faora even put enough of a hurting on Kurse for a win?

Originally posted by John Murdoch
For the record on this fight:

Faora

Pros:
- Has a big-time speed and quickness advantage
- Has Hulk-style long distance jumps for mobility
- Has Kryptonian durability. She can be knocked back by heavy machine gun fire or missiles and Krypto-opponent hits, but receives no permanent damage.

Cons:
- Mask weakness

Kurse

Pros:
- Massive massive durability (causing and then taking that Asgard shield generator tower explosion right in front of him, getting stabbed and continuing to - seemingly - kill Loki)
- Strength to slap away Mjolnir and keep Thor pinned down with ground-pounding

Cons:
- Much slower and less mobile than Faora


Deciding factors:

No, he's too slow.

No, he's too slow


Yes, she is insanely strong.

Originally posted by h1a8
No, he's too slow.

No, he's too slow


Yes, she is insanely strong.

I lean towards Faora myself. The only way I see Kurse pulling out a win is Faora slips up and Kurse gets a ragdoll mask weakness KO. Again though, the Kryptonian should be able to dodge and strike until Kurse is out of the game, IMO.

Its odd many people assume Kurse hits would even register with Faora, we know he hits Thor enough to wipe him out, but Kryptonian and Asgardian strength levels dont even compare. Supermans hits dwarf Thors in speed and strength. The only reason her mask went out was she was hit at speed from Superman ramming her into the ground during flight. Kurses hits are not hitting harder then Supes ramming speed from flight.

Good point

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Kurse

Pros:
- Massive massive durability

No.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No.

What about destroying the Asgardian shield generator and tanking the explosion to the face, being struck (not stabbed by Loki, but struck) by Asgardian blades with no effect in the prison breakout, and backhanding Mjolnir and no-selling Thor's hits?

I lean towards Faora, but one of Kurse's things in the film was archetypal tank-like superhuman durability.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
What about destroying the Asgardian shield generator and tanking the explosion to the face, being struck (not stabbed by Loki, but struck) by Asgardian blades with no effect in the prison breakout, and backhanding Mjolnir and no-selling Thor's hits?

I lean towards Faora, but one of Kurse's things in the film was archetypal tank-like superhuman durability.

What about getting stabbed by Loki and getting killed by a weaker version of something Superman shrugged off?

Tanking some generic explosion doesn't really impress me. And those swords did cut him, one of them was stuck on his shoulder. So his durability is nothing impressive, although he can definitely handle pain.

Lois also survived it, so it wasn't that powerful.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Lois also survived it, so it wasn't that powerful.

Do you have autism?

Have you seen the movie?

Lois wasn't affected by it because reasons. Superman was.