Originally posted by Rockydonovang
She was driven back, after more than a minute of fighting better or roughly evenly(50 seconds off screen where Ahsoka had barely been driven outside the gate).
Actually, it wasn't "barely driven outside", it was consistently and considerably pressed back. What fight are you watching?
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The parts of the temple it hit were completely destroyed. Regardless, I'm not considering it better than anything Malgus has done due to the size of the explosion, but the potency.
Not really... And like I keep saying, this feat is at best a multi-city-block level explosion in potency and Vader only shielded his person from it which is absolutely nothing impressive, especially since it clearly didn't succeed fully as he's injured and a good deal of the damage soak would come from his suit.
You've yet to counter kids in the EU performing the exact same feats.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Mind giving me a scan of the unaffected cape? Given the lightsaber reached vader's back, I find the assertion of yours dubious
Mind showing a scan of the unripped cape. Because if the cape actually tanked the attack, that the lightsaber reached Vader's back is suspicious indeed.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ETh9mVqu9DQ/WYQ36Ei8CDI/AAAAAAAAE_A/nHkGZa1jl0sMZ-kBpotnFiCnecd_5DrdACL0BGAYYCw/h1465/2017-08-04.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7svd7qRsTSg/WYQ3656hMxI/AAAAAAAAE_A/MT61om4oBAAUGYxrs7wDmjJ1Npz4SVftwCL0BGAYYCw/h301/2017-08-04.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ue1mb4tZNB0/WYQ3-X4hqII/AAAAAAAAE_A/AGy5GZggmWcEFf92wKoPEnmlU6TaZ08QACL0BGAYYCw/h787/2017-08-04.png
Cape seems fine to me. It could just be, *gasps*, that artists and creators don't really give a damn about stupid little details like a cape being scratched or torn?
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Vader expended his energy
That doesn't mean he'd be limping, with smoke coming off of him. That's not how the Force works. Unless the barrier took absolutely everything iota of energy out of him in which case it's not a combatively applicable feat.
He's either injured by the explosion or errecting a barrier that strong leaves him an invalid. Both make Vader look equally pathetic, so choose.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
How is what Malgus is doing remotely comparable?
Because Malgus' feats are actually better? And he gets scaling from characters who have performed similar feats? Shrugging off explosions is nothing new in the EU.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
First off, Vader didn't just push him, Vader pushed Karbin into the air and then proceeded to slam him into the ground.
What fight are you reading? Vader just pushed him:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IRwDQa3PyMk/WYQ4GEv_pDI/AAAAAAAAE_A/e8mZUt45g3E4_evZjGyb4fwC-HnnGJmGgCL0BGAYYCw/h1502/2017-08-04.png
And nothing more.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Secondly there was no lengthy duel, the fight lasted three panels with Karbin pressing an offense and Vader dismissing him with the force
I assume you just looked up the small portion of the fight from Darth Vader #15. The fight takes place across two comics and most of it is actually off-screen. And by timing it we realize it's actually a considerably longer duel than the one he had with Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Thirdly the fight vs Kenobi took longer than the amount of time it took Vader to use the force on Karbin. In general, Vader's makes use of the force very quickly into his canon fights
Nah, even in-canon he waits until he's pressed significantly in a duel before he actually starts abusing the Force. So what I'm getting at from this is... Ben didn't even press him that much ins aber combat.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You're not really a Ben Kenobi wanker at all tbh but that wasn't what I was getting at. The "inconsistency" you're trying to reconcile is that Ben doesn't have feats as opposed to Vader, no? Absence of Evidence=/Evidence of absence.
No, it's not lacking feats, it's lacking any form of coherent proof besides your gut instinct and a short-length duel to suggest Kenobi's in any way comparable to Vader in the Force.
We're taking about the same guy who hurt his back from fighting Tusken Raiders, needed concentration to lift and throw a human, needed to be in a state of meditation to lift rocks and bones, has noted he's out of practice, had trouble with a Bounty Hunter C3PO managed to hurt at one point(lol), etc.
Pardon me for thinking this isn't a Vader-level Force user just because he clashed blades with Vader for a while.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yes their is a variety of sources, but unless you can give sources of the fight in canon that put Vader above Ben force wise, the point is moot. And holistically the claim that Ben wouldn't be a Vader level force user is nonsensical. Ben is very clearly potrayed as being a rival for Vader, why are Vader's force abilities exempt from this?
He's not portayed as a rival at all. No source notes this. They only fought briefly and then Ben let Vader kill him. Like I said: If this was Legends, you'd have a point. But this is Canon where nothing notes Ben is ~ Vader besides a 30 second long duel and that's insanely stretching it.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Mace is considerably less powerful than Sidious in canon? And this is all fine, but if you have canonical shizz that makes it clear said character is>> another character, then this doesn't apply to vader vs ben where there's no indication of this.
There's also no indication of Ben being ~ Vader. It's ultimately an appeal to incredulity. Neither of us have proof of our claims because no proof exists for you to use and for me to counter. Thus we should drop the point altogether as Ben clearly isn't a Vader level Force user.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Vader only tk's Ahsoka when her defenses down, likely because Ahsoka, unlike Karbin is shown as a near equal for Vader
note: if we actually want to go out of universe, the explanation given for vader not tking ben is ben's too powerful
How were Ahsoka's defenses down? Also, yeah, near equal to Vader in the Force yet got incapped by a leeway Force Push. -_-