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Who wins?

Team 1 in a good fight.

Team 1. As handy as Jacen will be in a team battle, Jaina's just out of these guys leagues. Plus, I'd favor Kun over Jacen in a straight-up battle.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Team 1 in a good fight.

team 2 wrecks, Jaina mvp

Team 1.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Team 1 in a good fight.

Jaina and Jacen.

Jaina has hype putting her in comparison with luke from both luke and jaina, She can handle the likes of Kuna nd Ulic just fine

Which is unfounded tbh.

Jaina dies.

She has also admitted inferiority to the Jedi council as of LOTF.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Jaina and Jacen.
you still have the quote saying Jaina as of fotj has all the power she had when luke was amping her against caedus?

The Jaina brigade is pretty weak, tbh.

How in the world does one subjective quote allow her to share parity with Luke freakin Skywalker?

Originally posted by Azronger

holy heck, this is the first time i've ever seen you choose characters before RotE, than after.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
you still have the quote saying Jaina as of fotj has all the power she had when luke was amping her against caedus?
A fake quote. ^

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
you still have the quote saying Jaina as of fotj has all the power she had when luke was amping her against caedus?

Friend's sending it to me.

Come to Hangouts, Syn.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
A fake quote. ^

Tbh I trust him. I'll ask him the page number if you want to verify though.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
The Jaina brigade is pretty weak, tbh.

How in the world does one subjective quote allow her to share parity with Luke freakin Skywalker?
*2, from both characters involved in the comparison who both have fought alongside each other countlessly

Team 2.

Jacen and Jaina should win. Both are right below Luke Skywalker, which is enough.

How so? Caedus wasn't exactly all that close to Luke Skywalker, and Jaina even less so.

Luke is the worst measuring stick ever, ngl.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
How so? Caedus wasn't exactly all that close to Luke Skywalker, and Jaina even less so.

Good question.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Jacen and Jaina should win. Both are right below Luke Skywalker, which is enough.
Caedus is somewhat comparable in dueling, but nothing else, really.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Caedus is somewhat comparable in dueling, but nothing else, really.

Jacen had more force knowledge than virtually anyone else in his era, perhaps except Luke. The only people actually more powerful in the force were Luke, and arguably Kyp.


Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
How so? Caedus wasn't exactly all that close to Luke Skywalker, and Jaina even less so.

Sure Jacen was. They had a very competitive fight. Jaina would be slightly below Jacen, but both of them are very likely stronger than all the other masters in their era. The strike team that fought Caedus, led by Katarn, would kill either of these two ancient sith lords.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Jaina would be slightly below Jacen, but both of them are very likely stronger than all the other masters in their era. The strike team that fought Caedus, led by Katarn, would kill either of these two ancient sith lords.

Just... no.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Just... no.

Good words, troll.

Damn, I guess I best retire now.

That team couldn't have beaten Droma, let alone Exar Kun.

Yeah, from the lengthy explanations that ant has given me, Jaina was never all that close to Caedus, and when Luke had his shit together he casually pinned Caedus to a chair and Caedus was unable to break free. And to say that the Jedi strike team sent to defeat Caedus would even be able to defeat Droma is absolutely hilarious.

To put it simply, King Ommin was able to dominate the 3-4 million odd population of the city of Onderon using the dark side, overwhelm Arca Jerh, overwhelm a strike team of Jedi (sans Ulic) with dark side energy, etc, and Ommin's power was a fraction of the power possessed by Nadd's spirit. Kun oneshotted Nadd's spirit after fully embracing the dark side and what not, and Ulic Qel Droma proceeds to stalemate Exar Kun before growing far more powerful. Peak Ulic would absolutely defeat the strike team sent to kill Caedus.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, from the lengthy explanations that ant has given me, Jaina was never all that close to Caedus,

Eh, it's hard to say where she stands relative to him. She improves by an undefined, but clearly significant amount between LotF and FotJ.

True enough, but from what i read in LOTF she was pretty embarrassingly below Caedus.

There's only a two year gap. I doubt massively.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, from the lengthy explanations that ant has given me,

I understand where your error is now.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Jaina was never all that close to Caedus, and when Luke had his shit together he casually pinned Caedus to a chair and Caedus was unable to break free. And to say that the Jedi strike team sent to defeat Caedus would even be able to defeat Droma is absolutely hilarious.

Why don't you go ahead and rank the jedi and sith in the FOTJ/LOTF era, since you dont think they are all that close. Luke pinned Jacen down when they first met after Mara was killed, right? That is impressive for Luke, but I doubt many people could have done anything against a furious Luke in that scenario.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I understand where your error is now.
Ironic.

1. Not sure what your issue is with Ant, tbh. His grasp on/understanding of LOTF content is as good as anyone's. Did he snap on you or something?

2. Rank them relative to whom? And it's not just the pinning, it's that Luke has also completely ****ed with Caedus by creating an illusory fleet, and rebuked Caedus' force attack so hard it shattered his collarbone. The only time I can recall Caedus doing well against Luke was in what was essentially a brawl. I still have yet to see why Caedus is above Kun, or Jaina is above Droma.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. Not sure what your issue is with Ant, tbh. His grasp on/understanding of LOTF content is as good as anyone's. Did he snap on you or something?

Look at his contribution to this thread. A 6 year old's sarcasm is all there is. Doesn't matter what his grasp of the information is if he doesn't utilize it and would rather troll.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

2. Rank them relative to whom? And it's not just the pinning, it's that Luke has also completely ****ed with Caedus by creating an illusory fleet, and rebuked Caedus' force attack so hard it shattered his collarbone. The only time I can recall Caedus doing well against Luke was in what was essentially a brawl. I still have yet to see why Caedus is above Kun, or Jaina is above Droma.

Rank them relative to eachother is what I meant. Would you put Caedus in the top 5 of that era? Who would you place above Jaina but below Caedus in that era? Losing to Luke doesn't mean he isn't incredibly powerful/skilled.

LotF:
1. Luke
2. Caedus
3. Kyp
4. Mara
5-6-7-8: Lumiya/Saba/Jaina/Lobi

FotJ:
(-Abeloth-)
(-Taalon-)
1. Luke
2-3-4: Hidden One - Kyp - Darish Vol
5. Jaina

LotF/FotJ
1. Luke
2. Caedus
3-4-5: Kyp - Hidden One - Darish Vol
6. Jaina
7. Mara/Workan

Anyway, that Jacen is 2nd doesn't means he's close to Luke in any way (I'd argue that he is somewhat close in 'sabers tho). That being said, yes, there sre only a handful of people that could do better against Luke than Jacen did - but he's in no way close to Luke, really. Jaina isn't that close to Jacen, either.

Workan? Also, the Hidden One is overrated.

His best feat is chucking stuff at Luke, moving Luke back with Alter Environment and Lightning(though not really hurting him) and getting one-shotted by Luke with a single kick. It's hard to see him comparing so well with Kyp, Jaina or Mara, tbh.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
LotF:
1. Luke
2. Caedus
3. Kyp
4. Mara
5-6-7-8: Lumiya/Saba/Jaina/Lobi


This is pretty solid. Do you recall how easily Caedus beat Saba? He was unable to do that to Jaina, which would make me put Jaina above Saba. Jaina could reasonably be above Mara or Kyp too, imo. Kyp is more powerful in the force, and Mara has her vast experience as an assassin that could let her utilize an environment to be more tricky, but if I was told Jaina could take 6/10 fights against either of the two I wouldn't be surprised.
Originally posted by Ursumeles


You could probably throw Krayt in there above Kyp and Jaina, perhaps Vol.

Originally posted by Ursumeles

When did Saba fought Jacen?

Team 1

Originally posted by Ursumeles
When did Saba fought Jacen?

Sometime during LOTF. Some Jedi infiltrated Jacen's ship, and Saba encountered him. He fried her with lightening, iirc.

Quote?

I remember Saba, Luke & Ben confronting Jacen, tho.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Rank them relative to eachother is what I meant. Would you put Caedus in the top 5 of that era? Who would you place above Jaina but below Caedus in that era? Losing to Luke doesn't mean he isn't incredibly powerful/skilled.

I think you're missing the point, here. My point is that while Jacen is certainly the 2nd most powerful Jedi/force user of the era, that fact doesn't preclude him being far below Luke, and Jaina even moreso. Which leads me back to my original point: what have Jaina and Caedus done, in your opinion, that lead you to believe that they would destroy this team, (which is the implication I get when you say the strike team that Caedus essentially dominated would defeat Exar Kun, lol)?

Team 1, if I'm honest. Exar and Caedus is a close fight and Ulic should be superior to Jaina, imo.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I think you're missing the point, here. My point is that while Jacen is certainly the 2nd most powerful Jedi/force user of the era, that fact doesn't preclude him being far below Luke, and Jaina even moreso. Which leads me back to my original point: what have Jaina and Caedus done, in your opinion, that lead you to believe that they would destroy this team, (which is the implication I get when you say the strike team that Caedus essentially dominated would defeat Exar Kun, lol)?

I don't think this fight is a mismatch. Yes, I think Katarn and the knights would take out Kun or Droma.

Neither of the sith could contend with Luke as well as Jacen did.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Quote?

I remember Saba, Luke & Ben confronting Jacen, tho.

I do not have the book available to quote, sorry. That could have been the group that infiltrated Jacen's ship, but when Saba and Jacen encountered each other it was 1v1, and Jacen took Saba out quickly with force lightening. I may be off a little here, but that is what I think happened.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
but when Saba and Jacen encountered each other it was 1v1, and Jacen took Saba out quickly with force lightening. I may be off a little here, but that is what I think happened.
Completely false.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I don't think this fight is a mismatch. Yes, I think Katarn and the knights would take out Kun or Droma.

Neither of the sith could contend with Luke as well as Jacen did.

Well I mean, this exchange is completely pointless if you don't elaborate on your opinions/give reasons.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Completely false.

What happened? I admitted I wasn't sure. Be useful for once.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well I mean, this exchange is completely pointless if you don't elaborate on your opinions/give reasons.

I'm here to share my opinion and see other people's opinions. This isn't a debate. You can win a debate and still be wrong. This is as pointless as you make it.

So you're here to see people say "team 1 wins" or "team 2 wins" with no reasoning behind it? Interesting.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So you're here to see people say "team 1 wins" or "team 2 wins" with no reasoning behind it? Interesting.

You're good at making assumptions with erroneous reasoning. Interesting.

Christ, Vorpal wins the award for the most pretentious yet irrelevant debater to ever grace KMC.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Be useful for once.

#Roasted

#Toasted

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Christ, Vorpal wins the award for the most pretentious yet irrelevant debater to ever grace KMC.

Thanks for providing nothing except "wrong." You remind me of a current egomaniac, idiotic president. I'm not a debater, child; you may have noticed that if you could grasp the string of words I posted earlier.

I really can't tell if your being serious here, but whatever the case, it's really funny. I don't think Skillz or I even know who you are. Did we have a run in with you a couple years ago that hurt your feelings?

Trump 2020, BTW.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I really can't tell if your being serious here, but whatever the case, it's really funny. I don't think Skillz or I even know who you are. Did we have a run in with you a couple years ago that hurt your feelings?

Trump 2020, BTW.

We are random internet strangers. You are uncompromising and consistently disrespectful, which are terrible qualities for a human to possess.

What happened when Saba and Jacen fought? Your statement leads me to believe you know.

... what? I respond to a post by yours with, "just... no," which isn't disrespectful, and you've directed an insult at either myself or Skillz in almost every following post.

It seems you have "terrible qualities," as per your own definition.

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They never fought. When Saba, Luke, and Ben reached the bridge, Ben threw grenades at Caedus' combat droids guarding him. Caedus nudged Saba into one of the grenades and she got ****ed up.

nothing ant or myself have said in this thread warrant any measure of vitriol.

Um...

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
... what? I respond to a post by yours with, "just... no," which isn't disrespectful, and you've directed an insult at either myself or Skillz in almost every following post.

That is dismissive, therefore disrespectful; as was the "completely false" comment.
I haven't insulted Skillz. I have no problem with him. We disagreed. My statement regarding reasoning was in reply to his previous statement. Skillz is fine in my book, even if we disagree.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66

It seems you have "terrible qualities," as per your own definition.

I fight fire with fire. Be a prick and I will be one to you. Your terrible attitude was easy to see when you joined years ago.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

They never fought. When Saba, Luke, and Ben reached the bridge, Ben threw grenades at Caedus' combat droids guarding him. Caedus nudged Saba into one of the grenades and she got ****ed up.
Thanks. That you didn't simply state this instead of your dismissive statement was representative of your character. You prefer to belittle people rather than provide information.

Let the hate flow through you.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Let the hate flow through you.

Exactly.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Let the hate flow through you.

I mean, he's not wrong.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I mean, he's not wrong.

Thanks, friend. He knows. Perhaps we can be more civil now. We shall see.

Nah. I think most people know they're not doing the right thing on these forums but they choose to consciously ignore it.

Glad to see the reasoning for Caedus/Jaina hype, is still shitty as ever.

Pretty sure both of you (aka Syn, Vorpal) missed the point I was trying to convey with that quote, but whatever.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Pretty sure both of you (aka Syn, Vorpal) missed the point I was trying to convey with that quote, but whatever.

Pretty sure you like to think other people are dumb to establish your illusion of intelligence. Enjoy never admitting or recognizing your glaring character flaws. I won't have to see them anymore.

Caedus and Jaina. Kun is above Caedus, but not by much, and Jaina is pretty solidly above Ulic. Jaina kills Ulic, then helps her brother kill Kun.

How is Jaina solidly above Ulic?

Originally posted by darthbane77
Caedus and Jaina. Kun is above Caedus, but not by much, and Jaina is pretty solidly above Ulic. Jaina kills Ulic, then helps her brother kill Kun.
My friend,

Ulic Qel-Droma is a beast even per Star Wars standards. I used to underrate him but he has significant hype to his name.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My friend,

Ulic Qel-Droma is a beast even per Star Wars standards. I used to underrate him but he has significant hype to his name. Oh I agree, and I have Ulic above the majority of Force users. But prime Jaina's equality to Caedus puts her above him.

Caedus nigh-solos.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I won't have to see them anymore.
You're quitting?

How will KMC ever support itself now?