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Billy takes on Carol Danvers for the right of the name, brutal battle with all powers in play. Fights in Manhattan, who wins?

Captain Marvel.

Unless she goes binary fairly quickly, Billy should win in a short fight.

Yeah, thats why i pucked Captain Marvel. Instead of Captain Marvel.
Cap has too big a power advantage for me to give it to Cap based on what she needs to do, quickly, to stand a chance.
Cap might beat Cap that way, but nit for any kind of majority.

Captain Marvel beats Captain Marvel 7/10

Even Binary would get her ass handed to her.

My maaan.

In Binary form, Carol wins. In her base form, it's a good fight that can go either way.

Originally posted by zopzop
In Binary form, Carol wins. In her base form, it's a good fight that can go either way.
Not really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

Billy too strong for Carol.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145586/3008111-2269708-captain_marvel_vs_superman.jpg

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-31d0e45704d1864671426027e645c36f

And..
https://jlurevisited.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jla-jsa-019.jpg
https://jlurevisited.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jla-jsa-024.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.
Yes, really. Carol in Binary form has planet busting and stellar level feats to her name. Carol in Ms. Marvel form has gone toe to toe with a crazy Wonderman and lost after a long battle.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Billy too strong for Carol.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145586/3008111-2269708-captain_marvel_vs_superman.jpg

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-31d0e45704d1864671426027e645c36f

And..
https://jlurevisited.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jla-jsa-019.jpg
https://jlurevisited.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jla-jsa-024.jpg
He's sucker punching Superman dude. These scans prove nothing.

What is Binary's best speed feats?

Pretty sure Billy can blitz her.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, really. Carol in Binary form has planet busting and stellar level feats to her name. Carol in Ms. Marvel form has gone toe to toe with a crazy Wonderman and lost after a long battle.


Binary didn't straight up destroyed any planet. She started a chain reaction which destroyed the planet.
Read Uncanny X Men 167.

Cap has gone toe to toe with an eclipsed Superman and only lost after dozens of pages of fight.

Cap would destroy both Carol and Simon together.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Binary didn't straight up destroyed any planet. She started a chain reaction which destroyed the planet.
Read Uncanny X Men 167.
That's more than Captain Marvel has done. And here is the whole fight in context :
http://imgur.com/a/Pxnbj She killed the queen AND blew up the planet.
She also cleansed the entire Sun of antimatter, something Quasar couldn't do in time. He even thought an "omnipotent' was helping him save the sun :
https://s3.postimg.org/6anm2r4gv/image.jpg



Eclipso wasn't trying to kill Captain Marvel. He wanted to inhabit his body.



No.

Isnt this new billy tho? Who technically really hasnt done shit

I'm always going to assume Post-crisis billy when someone calls him Captain Marvel.

Shazam is his New 52 name.

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CB was more or less OK after this.

Originally posted by krisblaze
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CB was more or less OK after this.
Nothing is showing up for me. Are you referring to the Excalibur/Starjammers crossover annual?

Originally posted by zopzop

That's more than Captain Marvel has done. And here is the whole fight in context :
http://imgur.com/a/Pxnbj She killed the queen AND blew up the planet.


You really don't know what she did. Here is the original scene.

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113173/5517639-rco035_1469331471.jpg
https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113173/5517640-rco036_1469331471.jpg
https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113173/5517641-rco037_1469331471.jpg



Meaningless in a fight. Gladiator has oneshotted Binary in a fight.

That's a different fight.

Yes, he would.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You really don't know what she did. Here is the original scene.

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113173/5517639-rco035_1469331471.jpg
https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113173/5517640-rco036_1469331471.jpg
https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113173/5517641-rco037_1469331471.jpg

I'll stick with the more recent retelling of the original events.



She was weakened by the Starjammer stealing power from her earlier :
https://s9.postimg.org/qdew66jaz/image.jpghttps://s3.postimg.org/5yj45us9r/image.jpg https://s9.postimg.org/kqij8pgsb/image.jpg


No, he really wouldn't.

Originally posted by zopzop

I'll stick with the more recent retelling of the original events.


The retelling didn't retcon the fact that she didn't outright destroy the planet.

A weakened Cap was fighting Diana, J'onn, Wally, Kyle and Guy Gardner at once.

Binary got oneshotted like nothing.

He really would.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The retelling didn't retcon the fact that she didn't outright destroy the planet.
That's why I put a link to the whole retelling so others can see and judge for themselves. Plus she's already affected matter on a solar scale and Quasar thought she was an omnipotent that Epoch petitioned for help in saving the Sun from dying, the planet busting is just icing on the cake.


They were mindcontrolled and fighting like noobs. Diana herself could have ended him by using her lasso and commanding him to speak his magic word.

Binary was weakened and that was stated on panel by the writer so there's nothing to debate there.


Mmmhmm.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's why I put a link to the whole retelling so others can see and judge for themselves. Plus she's already affected matter on a solar scale and Quasar thought she was an omnipotent that Epoch petitioned for help in saving the Sun from dying, the planet busting is just icing on the cake.

Except that it doesn't works that way.

She never busted a planet.

She has fought him thrice and never did so. He defeated her twice in Underworld Unleashed and Virtue and Vice.

You have some strange views on how a fight should go.

So was Billy. Yet he didn't fold like wet paper like Binary against a vastly more powerful team.

Put Superman against Wonderman and Carol and see what happens.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm always going to assume Post-crisis billy when someone calls him Captain Marvel.

Shazam is his New 52 name.

Arent they the same?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except that it doesn't works that way.

She never busted a planet.
Except she did.


How many of those times was she mind controlled and hence not fighting to the best of her abilities?


BIlly was fighting a mind controlled group of people. A weakened Binary was fighting an angry Gladiator.


I know what happens. Captain Marvel isn't Superman. He's nowhere near Superman. That's the mistake you and other posters make.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Binary didn't straight up destroyed any planet. She started a chain reaction which destroyed the planet.
Read Uncanny X Men 167.

Okay i was wondering what planet had been busted, exactly.

Originally posted by riv6672
Okay i was wondering what planet had been busted, exactly.
There was nothing to wonder about. I posted a link to the updated version (retelling) of events that took place in the original story.

Sorry Zop, you posted a link so we could judge for ourselves, not just take your side.
-shrug-

Originally posted by zopzop

Except she did.


Except she didn't. It was a chain reaction.

Just once. Twice hr was mind controlled (in war of the gods he was weakened too and she couldn't beat him) and virtue and vice.



Mind controlled does not means they were weakened. Cap straight up choked J'onn out.



Cap isn't Superman but he isn't far behind either.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
My maaan.

priceless....

Originally posted by zopzop
Nothing is showing up for me.

Barely any photobucket links work with no issues atm. They want people to get premium accounts like imageshack before them, dick move.

Originally posted by riv6672
Sorry Zop, you posted a link so we could judge for ourselves, not just take your side.
-shrug-
Isn't that what I just said?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Barely any photobucket links work with no issues atm. They want people to get premium accounts like imageshack before them, dick move.
WB Stilt. And yeah. These photosharing sites have gone to hell. Was gonna make a respect thread for Crystal and The Ray (90s version) but was like phuck it. My other respect threads have died because the host got rid of the images.

Thanks.

My advice? Proceed with your respect threads Just be sure to make a copy of your scans... on your gmail virtual drive or on a usb pendrive, if you prefer.

We never know what site will go down next.

Originally posted by zopzop
Isn't that what I just said?

It came off more as, you posted a scan and expected agreement, not for someone to disagree with your interpretation of the scan.

Bump

Billy destroys Carol.

^^^Well worth the Bunp, then!

yeah i like carol a lot but she isn't beating billy. binary has never really impressed me much either tbh, but i'd need to go back and look at some feats again before deciding there. normal carol doesn't have much chance though she'd get in some good shots--she's tough as nails.