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The Combatants
◙ Pre-Vizsla
◙ Bo-Katan Kryze
◙ Sabine Wren
◙ Gar Saxon

For all intents and purposes, assume that all four are cooperative and working together collectively to preserve the Mandalorian name. All are in their prime.

Full load-outs for everyone; all have jet-packs, and everyone sans Bo-Katan has sabers of their liking.

Da Rules
◘ 15m starting distance, single file line.
◘ Takes place inside the Geonosian fighting arena
◘ Unless specified all jedi are morals on and holding back on TK usage
◘ Mandalorians pass the round as long as one is still alive
◘ Full regen after reach round
◘ Disney Canon

The Fight

Warm Up: Jocasta Nu

1. S4 TCW Ahsoka Tano and Jedi Barriss Offee
2. Jango Fett, Cad Bane, and Embo
3. AotC Kenobi and Coleman Trebor
4. Qui-Gon Jinn and Jedi Xanatos (canon exempt)

Boss: RotS Kenobi and Zett Jukassa

Bo-Katan, Sabine and Saxon are fodder. They all die to Jocasta but Vizsla beats her.
They stop at Round 1. Ahsoka is only somewhat below Pre and can give him a good fight, and Barriss can kill the fodderish trio.

Fall at 2 or 3.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Fall at 2 or 3.

How does two not wreck them? Jango>Vizsla (beating AOTC Kenobi in a grueling contest is better than being somewhat above TCW S4 Ahsoka), Cad Bane has defeated TCW S3 Obi-Wan+Quin which means he could probably take those fodder Mandalorians by himself, Embo (a guy who avoided being one-shotted by Savage) seals the deal.

Hence why I said they might fall at two.

The might is because Vizsla vs Jango is still a good fight that might have Vizsla as the winner, Cad doesn't seem nearly as protected as Mandalorians (refer to Boba vs Cad), and Embo, while good, doesn't necessarily equate to two high-ranking Mandalorians.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Hence why I said they might fall at two.

The might is because Vizsla vs Jango is still a good fight that might have Vizsla as the winner, Cad doesn't seem nearly as protected as Mandalorians (refer to Boba vs Cad), and Embo, while good, doesn't necessarily equate to two high-ranking Mandalorians.

Cad's feats are much better though. He had Ahsoka pinned down in two seconds, and did excellent against Kenobi+Quinlan. That's much better than Bo-Katan who only killed fodder Mandalorians, Sabine who only killed Stormtroopers and got curbstomped in neutral ground by Vader and Maul, and Saxon who got his ass kicked by Sabine.

Embo is also better than the other guys. Not being one-shotted by Savage is better than anything the Mandos have.

team 3<team 1

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Cad's feats are much better though. He had Ahsoka pinned down in two seconds, and did excellent against Kenobi+Quinlan. That's much better than Bo-Katan who only killed fodder Mandalorians, Sabine who only killed Stormtroopers and got curbstomped in neutral ground by Vader and Maul, and Saxon who got his ass kicked by Sabine.

Embo is also better than the other guys. Not being one-shotted by Savage is better than anything the Mandos have.

You're thinking too much in feats, rather than what's practical.

Perhaps Zenwolf can correct me, but it seems a shot from Cad's blasters cannot penetrate Mandalorian armor, as shown in his fight vs Boba.

Presumably two can, but between two opponents gunning at him and that he is without really any protective armor, he's going to die.

For Vizsla, you forget he performed better than Jango did vs Kenobi when he fought Maul. Fan-service, sure, but it's still there.

And Embo: he's good but not mobile. Everyone else here has some form of jetpack. He's just a big immobile target begging to get killed.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You're thinking too much in feats, rather than what's practical.

Perhaps Zenwolf can correct me, but it seems a shot from Cad's blasters cannot penetrate Mandalorian armor, as shown in his fight vs Boba.

Presumably two can, but between two opponents gunning at him and that he is without really any protective armor, he's going to die.

For Vizsla, you forget he performed better than Jango did vs Kenobi when he fought Maul. Fan-service, sure, but it's still there.

And Embo: he's good but not mobile. Everyone else here has some form of jetpack. He's just a big immobile target begging to get killed.

I don't care enough about Disney Canon to give an opinion. Any Disney Canon involved, don't ask me.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I don't care enough about Disney Canon to give an opinion. Any Disney Canon involved, don't ask me. C'mon Zenwolf; we all love the EU but you must adopt or become irrelevant.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
team 3<team 1
Really?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You're thinking too much in feats, rather than what's practical.

Perhaps Zenwolf can correct me, but it seems a shot from Cad's blasters cannot penetrate Mandalorian armor, as shown in his fight vs Boba.

Presumably two can, but between two opponents gunning at him and that he is without really any protective armor, he's going to die.

For Vizsla, you forget he performed better than Jango did vs Kenobi when he fought Maul. Fan-service, sure, but it's still there.

And Embo: he's good but not mobile. Everyone else here has some form of jetpack. He's just a big immobile target begging to get killed.
Embo is quite mobile actually for his size as seen here:
https://youtu.be/TWOO5lqocmc?t=1m32s
and his hat thing sure his useful against blaster fire.
He managed to disarm Savage with his hat, so I can't see why he couldn't do the same with the saber-wielding mandos.

I do agree with your point that Cad doesn't bring much to a blaster fight. The deleted scene duel with Boba demonstrated that mando armor is impervious to pistol fire. It's seen again in Rebels when Vader redirects two of Sabine's shots here:
https://youtu.be/c-jQL-0oxTA?t=2m37s

Cad's only real tools are his flamethrower and whipcord, both of which can be outdistanced with a blaster.

IMO Jango vs Vizsla is a coin toss. Both are similarly trained and equipped. Darksaber is of no use against blaster-fire.

@kurk, Yea, coleman trebor is a heck of a weak link, and both Ahsoka and Offee have held their own vs AOTC Kenobi's significant superiors, so you'd expect they'd be able to at least contend well with him

There's also an argument to be made for team 1 being>team 4, Xanatos being the weak link here

I feel like you guys are pretending that deathwatch members didn't legitimately get knocked out by freaking obi wan in h2h combat. Also, how is mandalorians armor blaster proof now? We've seen Bo-katan and her mandos kill other mandos that were wearing that armor......

Originally posted by Kurk
C'mon Zenwolf; we all love the EU but you must adopt or become irrelevant.


I mean I'll watch movies/shows, read a few of the comics(even though barely any of them interest me). But if you're thinking I'm gonna be as deep into it as Legends, then no I won't. Canon has already ruined several things for me and I'm not gonna bother digging into it.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
@kurk, Yea, coleman trebor is a heck of a weak link, and both Ahsoka and Offee have held their own vs AOTC Kenobi's significant superiors, so you'd expect they'd be able to at least contend well with him

There's also an argument to be made for team 1 being>team 4, Xanatos being the weak link here Tano vs Vizsla we've seen. Would AotC Kenobi do worse there? Trebor is featless but he had the balls to take on Dooku. I don't remember a young Offee doing anything significant before her turn other than being captured by clones.
Originally posted by deathslash
I feel like you guys are pretending that deathwatch members didn't legitimately get knocked out by freaking obi wan in h2h combat. Also, how is mandalorians armor blaster proof now? We've seen Bo-katan and her mandos kill other mandos that were wearing that armor......
In EU mandalorian rifles are more powerful than a typical blaster so that might have something to do with it. The Mandos held their own against Kenobi in H2H last I remember.
https://youtu.be/ITHPIcrJDsQ?t=2m14s
Originally posted by Zenwolf
I mean I'll watch movies/shows, read a few of the comics(even though barely any of them interest me). But if you're thinking I'm gonna be as deep into it as Legends, then no I won't. Canon has already ruined several things for me and I'm not gonna bother digging into it.
I understand

Originally posted by Kurk
Tano vs Vizsla we've seen. Would AotC Kenobi do worse there? Trebor is featless but he had the balls to take on Dooku. I don't remember a young Offee doing anything significant before her turn other than being captured by clones.
I understand
Wait, this is jedi offee? Hmm.

As for Ahsoka vs Visla, I feel she doesn't need to do as well as she did against Visla(beating him) for her team to win.


Yea, Trebor's courage is a bit of a moot point when all that courage ended up doing for him was get himself three-shotted by Jango. And yes, for the record, I think both Ahsoka and Offee can do, and have done much better than that.

I feel like Vizsla doesn't have the best back up here.

His Death Watch assassin sent to kill Satine was hardcore in his fight against Kenobi. He'd be better back up than any of these 3. But then they are all warriors with mandalorian armour/weapons and numbers do count I guess.

They have a chance at 1 or 2, but could just as easily die at either.

They don't have a chance at 1. Visla is currently being backed up by fodder.

Well I'd say fodder Mando's are a lot better than regular fodder.

Bo Katan isn't quite fodder. Isn't she Vizsla's second in command? Not to mention her performance against Tano and the siege of mandalore.

Originally posted by Kurk
Bo Katan isn't quite fodder. Isn't she Vizsla's second in command? Not to mention her performance against Tano and the siege of mandalore.



What did she do in SOM?

I guess Saxon shouldn't be fodder either given he was one of Maul's top 2.


Sabine's defo fodder though.

round 1

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What did she do in SOM?

I guess Saxon shouldn't be fodder either given he was one of Maul's top 2.


Sabine's defo fodder though.
U right.

On an unrelated note, Captain Rex is definitely not fodder since he was Anakin's second in command.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
U right.

On an unrelated note, Captain Rex is definitely not fodder since he was Anakin's second in command.


I take it you're being sarcastic. But Rex actually is an Arc Trooper. As in the top elite of Clones.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I take it you're being sarcastic. But Rex actually is an Arc Trooper. As in the top elite of Clones.
The top elite fodder is still fodder

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The top elite fodder is still fodder


Not when the top tiers of those "fodder" have been known to give the likes of Maul and Kenobi hell.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not when the top tiers of those "fodder" have been known to give the likes of Maul and Kenobi hell.
Pretty sure Pre-Visla was the only one who gave either, well more accurately, Maul, hell. And that was because Maul opted to engage him in a duel rather than just choke him like a b!tch for the sake of an "honorable" fight.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Pretty sure Pre-Visla was the only one who gave either, well more accurately, Maul, hell. And that was because Maul opted to engage him in a duel rather than just choke him like a b!tch for the sake of an "honorable" fight.


Well you'd be pretty wrong.

The Death Watch Assassin almost had Kenobi before Satine threw Kenobi his Saber back.

Not to mention a guy named Jango Fett.