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Standard gear for both

Fight in a warehouse.

BS was strong enough KO Luke Cage with one hit and was the fastest person Iron Fist fought, so I'll bet on her.

Elektra stomps

Originally posted by Psychotron
BS was strong enough KO Luke Cage with one hit and was the fastest person Iron Fist fought, so I'll bet on her.

Only time she KO'd him was when he was drugged up, and had already been unconscious once. Claire even said that the drugs were responsible for his condition, during the following episode. He got smashed with the IF without being KO'd on two separate occasions, and took out Sowande after being rammed by a speeding lorry. And that's ignoring durability feats from his own show. Him being KO'd by Elektra is clearly more than simple blunt force trauma.

Black Sky Elektra still wins though. She was strong enough to toss all the Defenders, including Luke, around, sending them flying all over the place, fast enough to deflect bullets with her sword, durable enough to shake off chi-punches from Danny, and skilled enough to engage all 4 of them at once, and defeat 10 fully-armed Hand ninjas, in the space of a few seconds, despite not starting with any weapons herself.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Only time she KO'd him was when he was drugged up, and had already been unconscious once. Claire even said that the drugs were responsible for his condition, during the following episode. He got smashed with the IF without being KO'd on two separate occasions, and took out Sowande after being rammed by a speeding lorry. And that's ignoring durability feats from his own show. Him being KO'd by Elektra is clearly more than simple blunt force trauma.

Black Sky Elektra still wins though. She was strong enough to toss all the Defenders, including Luke, around, sending them flying all over the place, fast enough to deflect bullets with her sword, durable enough to shake off chi-punches from Danny, and skilled enough to engage all 4 of them at once, and defeat 10 fully-armed Hand ninjas, in the space of a few seconds, despite not starting with any weapons herself.

Claire is an expert on metahumans now? Cage was knocked out by that gas, but he recovered from it. Everyone else was breathing it in, including Electra, and it didn't dull their powers. And as you said, she's durable enough to take an Iron Fist chi punch and strong enough to throw Cage around. I don't think it's beyond her abilities to KO Cage.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Claire is an expert on metahumans now? Cage was knocked out by that gas, but he recovered from it. Everyone else was breathing it in, including Electra, and it didn't dull their powers. And as you said, she's durable enough to take an Iron Fist chi punch and strong enough to throw Cage around. I don't think it's beyond her abilities to KO Cage.

She's as close to an expert on Cage as we have, seeing as she has treated him multiple times, got schooled on how his abilities work by the guy who gave them to Cage, and helped that same doctor try to recreate the circumstances when they had to get the Judas bullet fragments out of him. She knows as much about his abilities as anyone in the MCU. They made a point of having that whole scene with her and Colleen in the next episode, explaining it. Literally no point for them to bother including it in the episode if it meant nothing.

Being able to toss him around physically is not the same as being able to KO him. Diamondback, Jessica and Danny can all hit hard enough to send him flying, yet none of them have KO'd him in H2H, especially not in the manner that she did. She hit him plenty of times during the other fights, and didn't KO him. Yet she did it casually there. Maybe she can KO him with enough hits. But it's clear from watching the series as a whole (as well as the other shows) that the instance where she does do it is not the best example to go by.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
She's as close to an expert on Cage as we have, seeing as she has treated him multiple times, got schooled on how his abilities work by the guy who gave them to Cage, and helped that same doctor try to recreate the circumstances when they had to get the Judas bullet fragments out of him. She knows as much about his abilities as anyone in the MCU. They made a point of having that whole scene with her and Colleen in the next episode, explaining it. Literally no point for them to bother including it in the episode if it meant nothing.

Being able to toss him around physically is not the same as being able to KO him. Diamondback, Jessica and Danny can all hit hard enough to send him flying, yet none of them have KO'd him in H2H, especially not in the manner that she did. She hit him plenty of times during the other fights, and didn't KO him. Yet she did it casually there. Maybe she can KO him with enough hits. But it's clear from watching the series as a whole (as well as the other shows) that the instance where she does do it is not the best example to go by.

That doesn't mean anything. Claire is just a nurse. She wasn't even there.

Danny did hurt him, however. His jaw was sore. Another hit like that to the face could KO him. The same hit that Elektra tanked with no visible damage.

This is all irrelevant to this thread, though. I think we agree that Widow gets wrecked here.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That doesn't mean anything. Claire is just a nurse. She wasn't even there.

She is still more knowledgeable about his abilities than pretty much anyone else. And even a nurse knows how to check for head trauma or look at pupils for symptoms of narcotic influence etc. Seriously, why on earth would they even bother including that scene, with Luke specifically being the only one still KO'd, if it didn't mean anything? And, again, this is taking into consideration all the things he has been hit with without being KO'd.

Originally posted by Psychotron

Danny did hurt him, however. His jaw was sore. Another hit like that to the face could KO him. The same hit that Elektra tanked with no visible damage.

IIRC, she grunted in pain the times she was hit. We don't know whether she felt lasting effects.

And his jaw being sore does not mean that another hit like that would KO him. He still looked perfectly capable of continuing the fight. He looked more surprised than anything else. Repeated superstrong hits from Diamondback (including being knee'd under the chin hard enough to send him flying through the air and land on top of an SUV) failed to KO him as well. He got rammed by what looked like a garbage truck, and pitched up a while later with a huge smile on his face, none the worse for wear, and a captured Hand leader in tow.

Like I said, maybe she can KO him with enough blows. But, compared to the things Luke has taken without being KO'd throughout shows, the one-shot is an extreme outlier. As I already pointed out, if she could casually KO him for hours like that, normally, why didn't she do so every other time they fought? And then why also bother to include the scene between Claire and Colleen?

Originally posted by Psychotron

This is all irrelevant to this thread, though. I think we agree that Widow gets wrecked here.

Here we agree though. We've seen how badly BW does against enhanced individuals with high skill levels.

One thing people are forgetting.

Black Widow has all her standard gear

Please update your argument to include this.

Originally posted by carthage
Elektra stomps

I dont know about that. Her power level fluctuated to much.

Black Sky stomps

Black Sky stomps and stomps hard.. Just simply accept it folks

Originally posted by Sable
Standard gear for both

Fight in a warehouse.

Goodness, did Elektra get THAT MUCH of an upgrade?!

Cause Sable already mentioned the standard gear part: what's to prevent Black Widow from shooting Elektra a bunch of times?

Everyone skipped over the part where it said Standard gear.

**** Widow gets stomped.

Originally posted by Sable
Everyone skipped over the part where it said Standard gear.


i didn't.. natasha's guns aren't gonna a problem fir someone who was beating up people right and left

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Goodness, did Elektra get THAT MUCH of an upgrade?!

Cause Sable already mentioned the standard gear part: what's to prevent Black Widow from shooting Elektra a bunch of times?

DD has been very hard to hit with bullets. Elektra is now even faster than DD. Sure BW can get lucky and hit her, but there's a bigger chancr Elektra can close the distance and engage in melee. It's not like Natasha is renowned for being a marksman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
DD has been very hard to hit with bullets. Elektra is now even faster than DD. Sure BW can get lucky and hit her, but there's a bigger chancr Elektra can close the distance and engage in melee. It's not like Natasha is renowned for being a marksman.

Appreciate it, Froth.

Then it's game, set, match for Black Sky, and Yours Truly needs to get to watching Defenders after Game of Thrones tonight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
DD has been very hard to hit with bullets. Elektra is now even faster than DD. Sure BW can get lucky and hit her, but there's a bigger chancr Elektra can close the distance and engage in melee. It's not like Natasha is renowned for being a marksman.

Actually she is. Shes a deadshot with her pistols and a highly trained shield agent. Rewatch the films and show me when she missed. Also stop being a coward.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
She's as close to an expert on Cage as we have, seeing as she has treated him multiple times, got schooled on how his abilities work by the guy who gave them to Cage, and helped that same doctor try to recreate the circumstances when they had to get the Judas bullet fragments out of him. She knows as much about his abilities as anyone in the MCU. They made a point of having that whole scene with her and Colleen in the next episode, explaining it. Literally no point for them to bother including it in the episode if it meant nothing.

Being able to toss him around physically is not the same as being able to KO him. Diamondback, Jessica and Danny can all hit hard enough to send him flying, yet none of them have KO'd him in H2H, especially not in the manner that she did. She hit him plenty of times during the other fights, and didn't KO him. Yet she did it casually there. Maybe she can KO him with enough hits. But it's clear from watching the series as a whole (as well as the other shows) that the instance where she does do it is not the best example to go by.