Black Bolt Vs Martian Manhunter

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Zack M
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Surtur
Can BB's scream work on intangible beings? If not, what are his mental defenses like? I know his bro has telepathy, so I imagine he has at least some.

If the scream can hit intangibles then I would think this is over pretty quickly.

Philosophía
Close.

Black Bolt might be momentarily able to resist J'onn and say something, but J'onn should be able to phase out of it. J'onn's physicality/shapeshifting would probably edge out BB/energy powers.

hutchy1345
That picture of J'onn is cool

Sin I AM
MMs phasing is simply density shiftimg right? Couldnt BB use his matter manip to unphase him? I dont recall a high success ratio with Jonns phasing

Philosophía
Originally posted by Sin I AM
MMs phasing is simply density shiftimg right? Couldnt BB use his matter manip to unphase him? I dont recall a high success ratio with Jonns phasing It depends on the writer, but it has been portrayed as needing a multi-dimensional blade in order to harm him:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/cGF0aDovTU1NdWx0aWRpbWVuc2lvbmFsUGxhbmUuanBn/?ref=

At the same time, Flash has been able to use the speed force to un-phase him but then again, that's Flash.
J'onn has total molecular control over his body, so I doubt that BB'd be able to do it. And even if he could, there's no proof that he can do that and simultaneously release his voice.

Facee
Not sure if Bolt could pull a Mar-Vell move. Would have to do some research on it.

https://ibb.co/fADxcQ

Sin I AM

Philosophía
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I canr see your link but ill take your word for it.

I do remember the flash incident but iirc wasnt he not himself? I always thought of jonns phasing as a conscious thing like he had to will it. And if he got distracted it might not work. Also wasnt his phasing affected by someone controlling the environment, like he tried going thru a wall and got stuck? Mightve been Miss Martian im thinking of or some other medium

I disagree on the voice point u made. It shouldnt be hard for him to speak while doing some secondary task The Flash instance is here:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/81736/1503030-wallyvsintangibility.jpg

J'onn's phasing is sometimes inconsistent . Jobbing translates to all his abilities, really - one moment he force the JLA + Spectre out of their own body, the next he struggles with random shit. But on average, I'd think that it would work.

You can disagree, doesn't mean you have proof of the contrary. When releasing his scream, he has always been fully focused on it. And he's up against somebody who has full control over his molecular structure. And if you want to get into the details of it, the voice acts as a sonic attack that can be outran. J'onn is more than fast enough to do it, if he chooses to not simply phase.

Sin I AM

Philosophía
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Two things..if he has "full control over his molecular structure" wouldnt it mean he shouldve beaten Flash in the scan you posted?

And BBs scream isnt merely sonic it affects electons as well which even Flash (who has a better record of phasing) cant escape. Thats y even in space he is still powerful. He may become intangible but there are still elements of matter present. Flash is just that powerful. The dude has stolen the kinetic energy of the entire planet, and stopped Amazo in his tracks.

Maybe. We haven't seen it work on intangible beings, it might. That's why I said it's close in my initial post.

I think most of the time J'onn would phase through it and his telepathy would work. And in a 'cbr' like fighting, J'onn would outrace the scream and punch his lights out.

Sin I AM

Philosophía
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Just trying to understand your argument. MM has complete control but then again he doesnt. MM has complete control, but Flash can simply overpower him, when he has overpowered Amazo and stolen the KE of the entire planet. If you think Black Bolt has shown the raw power that Flash has in his control, you're surely mistaken.

You know, kind of like Luke Cage has super-strength, but him losing against Hulk wouldn't mean that he suddenly doesn't have super strength?

Yeah, like that.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And if his powers are simply a density shift and hes technically still there why WOULDNT BB affect him? Especially given that "sound" isnt matter and his voice also affects electrons. His powers aren't a simple density shift. J'onn has phased through heat vision, which explicitly works at an atomic level. Unless you have scans of his voice working on intangible beings, 'working on electrons' is not good enough.


Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im just curious if theres a better argument that mindrape/intangibility one which hes pretty adept against and the other which os questionable Black Bolt has nothing to defend against J'onn mindrapping him, if we go full capacity. I was being generous here - J'onn has wiped the floor with people that have mental defenses that make Black Bolt's look like a wet tissue.

DarkSaint85
Preus has also phucked MM up with his HV

Philosophía
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Preus has also phucked MM up with his HV thumb up

And yet, he phased through Superboy Prime's.

Like I said - inconsistency is in his genes.

Facee
Telepathy won't work.


https://ibb.co/dadaxQ

Supreme Intelligence has tried as well with no luck.

abhilegend
Maximus has mindraped Bolt quite easily.

Facee
Originally posted by abhilegend
Maximus has mindraped Bolt quite easily.
Like this one?

https://ibb.co/cGHJHQ

abhilegend
That's not resisting his telepathy.

Sin I AM

leonidas
i'm less inclined to think tp would work than his voice, which i do think would work against his intangible form more often than not. bb has some solid energy attack options beside his voice as well. this is pretty close. given bb's record vs jonn's and their abilities to generally raise their levels in comics, i'd give bb the not here more often than not. jonn is def capable of beating him though.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Sin I AM
So basically youre using Jonns best feats ever whilst simultaneously admitting hes an avid jobber and his go to tactic isnt infallible? If I'd use J'onn's best feats, this fight would be 10/10 in his favor. You really can't follow this?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You also mentioned his powers arent "simply density shift". Then what is it? I recall seeing somewhere that his phasing is dimensional but i dont have on panel evidence. I literally posted a scan in this thread where a multi-dimensional blade was needed to affect him while intangible.

Sin I AM
Not sure youre following my posts phil. I was not being condescending.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Sin I AM
https://68.media.tumblr.com/bf99250d465e5f52cfe8efee6fe62b9b/tumblr_omh3ltQLp51sfz3qbo1_500.gif

Don't care.

Zack M
laughing out loud

mighty adam
Bb stopped a solar flare...bb can rearrange molecules...bb is not a jobber. Bb can transmutate matter. Bb wins

Zack M
Some reality warpers have tried, but iirc, Martian Manhunter has complete control over his body. He's once shrunk himself down to enter the bloodstream.

https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/square_avatar/2650620-2.png

Smurph
Black Bolt's voice is destructive because it f*cks with the electrons on a scale and range controlled by his voice, so it shouldn't be two separate actions to matter manip and speak, it should be the same action... in theory, anyways. Much like Jonn's phasing, the "physics" totally depends on the writer, and there are a bunch of inconsistent showings out there.

Given that Jonn's molecular control can be overpowered, I'd put money on BB's voice being the more powerful molecular force.

Black Bolt definitely has showings of no-showing telepathy, but nothing as consistent as a defined immunity.

h1a8
I fail to see how BB voice can affect Jonn while he is intangible. If he can't then there is no way for BB to win as he isn't very fast.

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