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Super Saiyan Red Goku vs Android 17

Super Saijen God easily, also it's SSG, not SSR.

SSR is a much better name.

SSG can confuse some folks, as there was SSBG, SSGSS and "G" (grade) was used for ASSJ (SSG2), USSJ (SSG3) and MSSJ (SSG4)... and even SSJ2 (SSG5).

Going with 17.

#17, and it's not even close.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
SSR is a much better name.

SSG can confuse some folks, as there was SSBG, SSGSS and "G" (grade) was used for ASSJ (SSG2), USSJ (SSG3) and MSSJ (SSG4)... and even SSJ2 (SSG5).

Fair enough, then again, its Carver, shit has to be given.

Was there any explanation for 17's power-up in Super?

Originally posted by cdtm
#17, and it's not even close.

So #17 could have fought evenly with Beerus almost destroying the universe?

A holding back Beerus, sure.

Originally posted by Sable
So #17 could have fought evenly with Beerus almost destroying the universe? Where have you been? All of that stuff about Goku fighting evenly with Beerus has been thoroughly retconned to the point where Whis points out that Beerus was taking it easy on Goku the whole time. Nowadays, Beerus is touted as being able to effortlessly stomp even the likes of SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. Goku is not on Beerus' level . . . yet.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Was there any explanation for 17's power-up in Super? Plot. That and I guess Goten and Trunks don't sell as many toys as Android 17 .

Sigh.

At least in GT he fused with that bullshit Hellfighter dude.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Where have you been? All of that stuff about Goku fighting evenly with Beerus has been thoroughly retconned to the point where Whis points out that Beerus was taking it easy on Goku the whole time. Nowadays, Beerus is touted as being able to effortlessly stomp even the likes of SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. Goku is not on Beerus' level . . . yet.

No one here knows how much more powerful SSR is now. He is obviously way more powerful then his first fight with Beerus.

Well, all I know is that a serious Beerus oneshotted mastered SSB Vegeta, a form far above SSG in power, tbh.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
SSR is a much better name.

SSG can confuse some folks, as there was SSBG, SSGSS and "G" (grade) was used for ASSJ (SSG2), USSJ (SSG3) and MSSJ (SSG4)... and even SSJ2 (SSG5).

SSR is Super Saiyan Rose though.

Ah... totally forgot. Dammit

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Where have you been? All of that stuff about Goku fighting evenly with Beerus has been thoroughly retconned to the point where Whis points out that Beerus was taking it easy on Goku the whole time. Nowadays, Beerus is touted as being able to effortlessly stomp even the likes of SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. Goku is not on Beerus' level . . . yet.

When Beerus said he was fighting at 70% capacity, he was obviously scaled up to a "pay to win" free to play WoW clone standard.

You know, the type where you play for every hour of every day to reach a quarter of the levels a guy who paid five bucks vaulted to in a minute. Beerus is what they call a "whale", and must invest heavily with all the sleep he does.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
SSR is Super Saiyan Rose though.

This is why I didn't know why people kept calling it SSR when its clearly SSG!

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, all I know is that a serious Beerus oneshotted mastered SSB Vegeta, a form far above SSG in power, tbh.


Agreed, but that doesn't mean he can't do the same to 17.

Super Saiyan Gay vin

SSG wins.