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This a thread to talk about the threat that thirdhand smoke provides.

Thirdhand smoke is like secondhand smoke, but instead of dissipating, the carcinogens stick around in the form of a brown residue that sticks to clothes, and even hair.

You are at risk if you're a smoker and you don't change your clothes after smoking.

If you're so concerned over your health you are changing your clothes after every smoke maybe it is time to just quit all together, is what I would say.

Thirdhand smoke is ok. Secondhand smoke is all good. Firsthand smoke is GREAT lol

Seriously, we need to get rid of all the BS anti-smoking laws. Age restrictions are fine even though they're dumb since they don't do much to deter young people from smoking, but restricting independent businessmen from allowing their patrons to smoke is ridiculous.

I like anti-smoking laws, but that's me.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like anti-smoking laws, but that's me.

I figure if a bar or restaurant has people smoking and I don't like it I just go to a different bar or restaurant.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like anti-smoking laws, but that's me.
Am I correct in assuming you're a non smoker?

Originally posted by Surtur
I figure if a bar or restaurant has people smoking and I don't like it I just go to a different bar or restaurant.

Except that here, if smoking is allowed in bars, you won't find one without it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Am I correct in assuming you're a non smoker?

Yup.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that here, if smoking is allowed in bars, you won't find one without it.
How is that any more wrong than making it impossible for a smoker to find a bar where it's allowed?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yup.
Then it's understandable that you like the laws. But to smokers, they are horrible, horrible things. They make you pay out the ass, eat/drink at home if you actually want to enjoy a meal or stiff drink, huddle around in back alleys in the rain like crack heads or hookers all for something that's absolutely legal.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like anti-smoking laws, but that's me. No, it's not just you, it's me too.

Originally posted by darthgoober
How is that any more wrong than making it impossible for a smoker to find a bar where it's allowed?


Then it's understandable that you like the laws. But to smokers, they are horrible, horrible things. They make you pay out the ass, eat/drink at home if you actually want to enjoy a meal or stiff drink, huddle around in back alleys in the rain like crack heads or hookers all for something that's absolutely legal. They should try quitting.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
They should try quitting.
I disagree. People who don't like the smell of smoke should stop trying to make it so difficult to smoke that others will hopefully quit just to avoid all the inconveniences they have to endure.

"Don't like the smell of smoke."



No, we just don't want to breath in your narcotics.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
"Don't like the smell of smoke."


Yeah, people who don't like the smell of smoke

Considering how harmful smoking is to others around, there should be designated glass smoke boxes (like in some airports) that are sealed and filtered to the outside, where smokers can gather and smoke their tarred-lungs out until their content and I don't have to be around it.

I hated back when people could smoke everywhere, especially restaurants and other social gathering spots. Keep your cancer to yourselves.

Smokers are a health hazard to themselves and those around them, gooby should count his lucky stars it's not illegal.

Hey, I've no problem if someone wants to fill their lungs with carcinogenic tar, have at it, smoke five packs a day as far as I'm concerned. Just keep it far away from us sensible non-smokers. Glass boxes at designated areas around towns and cities solve that. Can even add another small tax to each pack of cigarettes sold to fund these boxes. Win/win.

https://pearlabroad.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/smoking-box.jpg

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering how harmful smoking is to others around, there should be designated glass smoke boxes (like in some airports) that are sealed and filtered to the outside, where smokers can gather and smoke their tarred-lungs out until their content and I don't have to be around it.

I hated back when people could smoke everywhere, especially restaurants and other social gathering spots. Keep your cancer to yourselves.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Smokers are a health hazard to themselves and those around them, gooby should count his lucky stars it's not illegal.


Have either of you ever watched that show Bullshit on showtine made by Penn and Teller? They did a whole episode focusing on a lot of the myths and hypocracy surrounding non smoking laws. Nether are smokers themselves both are liberals overall, you should watch it. Not just that episode, pretty much the whole series is good.

*Edit*
I just found a clip and it looks like they may smoke. It's been so long since I watched the episode I may be remembering things wrong about that. My bad

thirdhand smoke huh. just when i thought debates about smoking couldn't get more boring.

Don't forget fourth hand smoke; someone could have smoked an hour ago and fart beside you and you're at risk.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Have either of you ever watched that show Bullshit on showtine made by Penn and Teller? They did a whole episode focusing on a lot of the myths and hypocracy surrounding non smoking laws. Nether are smokers themselves both are liberals overall, you should watch it. Not just that episode, pretty much the whole series is good.

I've seen several episodes of that show.

That doesn't change the fact that non-smokers should have to deal with smokers smoking when we're trying to get a bite to eat, have a drink etc. Like I said, smoke as much as you want, just keep it away from non-smokers

Though it should be noted that health issues from smoking also cost tax dollars. But we can ignore that for now.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've seen several episodes of that show.

That doesn't change the fact that non-smokers should have to deal with smokers smoking when we're trying to get a bite to eat, have a drink etc. Like I said, smoke as much as you want, just keep it away from non-smokers

Though it should be noted that health issues from smoking also cost tax dollars. But we can ignore that for now.
I hate ketchup and the smell of ketchup BAD... like really, really bad. If the smell is too strong it actually makes me feel nauseated. Does that mean I have the right to demand that people in public or an independently owned establishment have to take anything that smells strongly of ketchup away from me?

Anyway, here's a small clip of the episode since you're already a fan of them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcibsUqN2A

Well, when the smell of ketchup can give you cancer, you'll have a point.

Until then, smoke five packs a day, just keep it away from us sensible types.

Has it been conclusively proven that secondhand smoke causes cancer? Because at least at the time of Penn and Teller's show it hadn't(they discuss it in that clip).

Yes, it's believed that cigarette smoking can lead to lung cancer and studies have shown that smoking greatly increases that chance, among other ill health affects.

Your "secondhand smoke" caveat doesn't negate the above, cigarette smoke isn't magically cleansed of its toxins by someone's lungs. You don't inhale cancer and exhale unicorn farts.

Do you smoke around infants? children? teens? What is your line, if anything?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, it's believed that cigarette smoking can lead to lung cancer and studies have shown that smoking greatly increases that chance, among other ill health affects.

Your "secondhand smoke" caveat doesn't negate the above, cigarette smoke isn't magically cleansed of its toxins by someone's lungs. You don't inhale cancer and exhale unicorn farts.

Do you smoke around infants? children? teens? What is your line, if anything?
Unless the majority of toxins are actually absorbed by being inhaled into the lungs... which could explain why people who smoke get lung cancer.

It DOES mean that claims of second hand smoke causing cancer are unfounded by science. Which means the only real reason to ban it is to cater to people who dislike the smell... and if that's the case then there needs to be a law requiring people to keep ketchup the f*ck away from me.

I personally try not to smoke around children too small to walk away. But I won't stop just because someone brings an infant in my house knowing that I smoke.

FFS, never mind. First it was "secondhand smokes isn't really harmful", then I show you it is and you go whataboutary in defense of a habit you know deep down inside is harmful to yourself and others.

Personally, I'm glad anti-smoking laws are gaining more and more traction.

Originally posted by Robtard
FFS, never mind. First it was "secondhand smokes isn't really harmful", then I show you it is and you go whataboutary in defense of a habit you know deep down inside is harmful to yourself and others.

Personally, I'm glad anti-smoking laws are gaining more and more traction.
You didn't actually show me that it is. I asked if it's been conclussively proven to be harmful and you pointed out statements made by institutions with a trackrecord of misleading the public in regards to definate ill health effects of substances that are unpopular politically until the negative outcry is so massive that they're forced to issue new statements.

And I never said it wasn't harmful, I asked if it had yet been proven to be harmful because people were acting as if the adverse effects were definite. Someone being unable to prove you wrong is no reason to pass laws that make their lives more difficult just because some people don't like what they're doing. Thinking like that is why there's such controversy surrounding gay marriage.

Seriously, you need to watch that episode of Bullshit. They go into quite a bit of detail in regards to the lack of evidence of secondhand smoke's ill effects.

Now the CDC know nothing. I laughed.

More obvious lies:
-Secondhand smoke causes nearly 34,000 premature deaths from heart disease each year in the United States among nonsmokers.4
-Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing heart disease by 25–30%.1
-Secondhand smoke increases the risk for stroke by 20−30%.4
-Secondhand smoke exposure causes more than 8,000 deaths from stroke annually.4

Originally posted by Robtard
Now the CDC know nothing. I laughed.
What's been their stance on marijuanna in the past?

*Just caught the edit*
Where does one go to find out what evidence they reviewed and what their methods of interpretation were? Are they easy to find or hidden away?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like anti-smoking laws, but that's me.

They're are a little too strict.

I'm an occasional smoker, I worry more about the anti-drinking laws though

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They're are a little too strict.

I'm an occasional smoker, I worry more about the anti-drinking laws though
Personally, I intentionally blow smoke towards/on non smokers in any area where I'm still allowed to smoke in response to them making me jump through hoops to have a cigarette. Far as I'm concerned... SOMEONE is going to pay

Those stats are a little skewed but good read.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What do they say about emissions by cars? Just because chemicals are toxic doesn't mean that you'll get cancer by exposure to trace amounts of them. Should cars be outlawed from being around people? Air pollution causes millions of premature deaths a year, yes, it's illegal to have certain levels of car-related pollution in populated areas, and in major cities like Paris & London, certain polluting vehicles are being restricted, banned and outright outlawed from use.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Air pollution causes millions of premature deaths a year, yes, it's illegal to have certain levels of car-related pollution in populated areas, and in major cities like Paris & London, certain polluting vehicles are being restricted, banned and outright outlawed from use.
Then they should totally restrict using cars to areas where the fumes won't reach the general public... After all there are children present for God's sake and if you drive in a city/town you're intentionally putting them all at risk. It's not like full flavor cigarettes are the only ones banned, you can't smoke ultra lights either...

Yeah, hopefully in the near future we'll all be driving electric cars, and smoking will be outlawed.

Its for asinine reasons you would think The Looney Left would be in support of VAPOR/Electronic Cigs becaue those can cut down on a lot the more "Harmful Chemicals & Crap" in normal cig, but nope. They show their true irrational hypocrite views even in this area.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, hopefully in the near future we'll all be driving electric cars, and smoking will be outlawed.
Cars should all be outlawed in towns/cities right now and people should just walk or use bikes until electric cars are available to everybody. They put WAY more toxins in the air then cigarettes do. Hell, schools are frequently surrounded by cars with their engines running waiting on kids...

Anyone driving in any area with children around obviously have no regards whatsoever for the lives of children.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cars should all be outlawed in towns/cities right now and people should just walk or use bikes until electric cars are available to everybody. They put WAY more toxins in the air then cigarettes do. Hell, schools are frequently surrounded by cars with their engines running waiting on kids...

The Left is doing its best to get as many of those children aborted so they are working on that problem.

Originally posted by Surtur
If you're so concerned over your health you are changing your clothes after every smoke maybe it is time to just quit all together, is what I would say.

Originally posted by darthgoober
How is that any more wrong than making it impossible for a smoker to find a bar where it's allowed?


Then it's understandable that you like the laws. But to smokers, they are horrible, horrible things. They make you pay out the ass, eat/drink at home if you actually want to enjoy a meal or stiff drink, huddle around in back alleys in the rain like crack heads or hookers all for something that's absolutely legal. Smoking (Tobacco) is for stupid people.

That is all.

Like, I think Skydiving is cool, and I like it, doesn't mean I'm gonna try it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah, people who don't like the smell of smoke You're very ignorant to think that the people who don't wanna be around smoke are the problem, its you guys who smoke everywhere you go, polluting the air, like if we're in a public place or a bar sometimes we can't even enjoy it, not to mention the (slight but possible) damage you're doing to OUR lungs, not just your own.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, hopefully in the near future we'll all be driving electric cars, and smoking will be outlawed.

As shitty, disgusting and dangerous to everyone around as smoking is, imo, shouldn't outright outlaw it.

Just make those sealed and contained smoking boxes out of glass. Making the smokers gather in there like a bunch of nicotine addicted chimps, slaves to their drug. They get what they want, it's safe for non-smokers and you can look at them like it's a zoo. Wins all around.

Yoou see as an ex smoker, I'm the worst, I believe all smokers should be shot, except the hot female ones.

I think its the worst for me, because I live with my grandmother, and I'm the only one in my immediate family who doesn't smoke, I am surrounded by it all the time and have to go in my room just to avoid it.

Worst part? She smokes in the house.

Its not like I have the money to move out either, not that thats a big enough problem that I'd HAVE to move out, but yeah.

I think I counteract it pretty good though, I eat relatively healthy and I pretty much only drink water, and by that I mean I only drink Bottled Water unless there's literally no more to drink.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
This a thread to talk about the threat that thirdhand smoke provides.

Thirdhand smoke is like secondhand smoke, but instead of dissipating, the carcinogens stick around in the form of a brown residue that sticks to clothes, and even hair.

You are at risk if you're a smoker and you don't change your clothes after smoking.

Yeah, the problem here is that is the idea of SecondHand Smoke isn't as bad as ALL the propaganda made it out to be.

So if third hand smoke is like second hand, then it's basically being overblown to push a political agenda.

well, I just try to avoid anything remotely harmful, even if it had one harmful chemical in it, its still something I'd like to avoid.

Originally posted by Surtur
I figure if a bar or restaurant has people smoking and I don't like it I just go to a different bar or restaurant.

Employees don't have that option.

Sure, any individual employee could work elsewhere, but SOMEONE has to work in that environment..

Originally posted by Robtard
As shitty, disgusting and dangerous to everyone around as smoking is, imo, shouldn't outright outlaw it.

Just make those sealed and contained smoking boxes out of glass. Making the smokers gather in there like a bunch of nicotine addicted chimps, slaves to their drug. They get what they want, it's safe for non-smokers and you can look at them like it's a zoo. Wins all around.

They already have those. It's cigar shops.

Love to visit the one at Mohegan casino, with nice comfy seats to smoke your 10X marked up stoogie and wave at the sneering passerby's.

Odd, the Casinos here are smoke anywhere, one of the few places smoking is allowed in a public indoors area.

Went to one once; wanted to leave after 5 mins, smoke was unbearable, my lungs hurt the next day.

Originally posted by Robtard
Odd, the Casinos here are smoke anywhere, one of the few places smoking is allowed in a public indoors area.

Went to one once; wanted to leave after 5 mins, smoke was unbearable, my lungs hurt the next day.

Yeah, CT casino's have designated smoking areas. I only smoke the occasional cigar, and tried lighting one up. The entire row of slot players caught a thick cloud of second hand smoke, with the asian lady next to me loudly "He light cigar. Guy on end light cigar ".

After that I kind of bent my head low and around the corner to exhale, and never tried that again.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Smoking (Tobacco) is for stupid people.

That is all.

Like, I think Skydiving is cool, and I like it, doesn't mean I'm gonna try it.
So is fast food and diet soda. Longevity isn't the most important thing in life, happiness is.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
You're very ignorant to think that the people who don't wanna be around smoke are the problem, its you guys who smoke everywhere you go, polluting the air, like if we're in a public place or a bar sometimes we can't even enjoy it, not to mention the (slight but possible) damage you're doing to OUR lungs, not just your own.
And a lot of time if we're unable to smoke in public places or bars WE'RE unable to enjoy it. You're saying that smokers should be unhappy everywhere that there's a smoking ban while insisting non smokers should be allowed to be happy everywhere period. We should leave smoking bans up to the individual businesses/establishments and leave it up to people to go which place(s) they prefer to frequent.

Originally posted by cdtm
Employees don't have that option.

Sure, any individual employee could work elsewhere, but SOMEONE has to work in that environment..
Employees do have that option... all they have to do is not apply for work in places that allow smoking if it bothers them. Some people don't like being around naked people... that doesn't mean that porn producers and strip clubs should go out of their way to keep their employees from seeing them.

If you could regulate other safety hazards, I don't see why you can't regulate any job requiring working around second hand smoke (Doesn't matter if you can choose a different job. People can choose not to work in construction jobs that don't meet OSHA compliance too, but we aren't about to have jobs without basic safety guardrails and such..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, CT casino's have designated smoking areas. I only smoke the occasional cigar, and tried lighting one up. The entire row of slot players caught a thick cloud of second hand smoke, with the asian lady next to me loudly "He light cigar. Guy on end light cigar ".

After that I kind of bent my head low and around the corner to exhale, and never tried that again.

Cigars aren't as bad, imo. The smoke smell is more bearable and cigars generally don't have the high amount of toxic substances cigarette companies add to their products. Still a dick move though, if it was a no smoking area.

Asians do love their gambling.

Originally posted by cdtm
If you could regulate other safety hazards, I don't see why you can't regulate any job requiring working around second hand smoke (Doesn't matter if you can choose a different job. People can choose not to work in construction jobs that don't meet OSHA compliance too, but we aren't about to have jobs without basic safety guardrails and such..)
Even if the construction job meet OSHA compliance it doesn't actually make the place safe, it just keeps them from being negligent in regards to safety. But you can't get a job helping to construct a building and demand that you be kept far away from any kind of dangerous equipment. By the same token, if you know a bar allows smoking when you apply you can't whine about being exposed to smoke(well I guess you can whine... but not without sounding stupid). That's what you're voluntary signing up for when you put in your application unless you're applying for a job that's guaranteed to be away from the thing you don't want to be exposed to.

Originally posted by Robtard
Cigars aren't as bad, imo. The smoke smell is more bearable and cigars generally don't have the high amount of toxic substances cigarette companies add to their products. Still a dick move though, if it was a no smoking area.

Asians do love their gambling.

No, it was a designated smoking area. That's why I lit up.

But the smoke volume was a bit much. Even in a smoking section, it's pretty rude to catch someone in your plume..

Originally posted by cdtm
No, it was a designated smoking area. That's why I lit up.

But the smoke volume was a bit much. Even in a smoking section, it's pretty rude to catch someone in your plume..

At least you're polite with your disgusting habit