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I'm just curious about what feat do you guys think it's actually better all things considered.

Orion's is literally orders of magnitude higher than Hulk's.

As in 10^x power.

It's not even debatable.

That's what I was thinking but I'm sure there are going to be differing opinions. *shrug

Imagine if it was Superman instead of Orion. Lol

Don't know how in the hell there could be differing opinions, tbh. Planet-level vs. star system-level is a complete no brainer. As Phil said: we are talking about SEVERAL orders of magnitude here...

Ink ainy even dry on the paper yet and here we have threads

It's a slow day at work.

What we saw on panel is different than what was said by the Lantern. With that said, Hulk ft poops on Orion.

What was different about it carver?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What was different about it carver?

Well,you see abhi Bhai,what's different is that WBH was said to have destroyed a dimension,but we were only shown a planet

Carver is referring to WBH's feat not being all that.

Orion and its not even close.

Originally posted by abhilegend


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Just the Shockwave of Orion and Godkiller clashing destroyed an entire star system.

https://s6.postimg.org/idf4xk1v5/004_0007.jpg


https://i.chzbgr.com/original/7766571264/h48683E99/1

WBH ft is better. Gladiator tanked a blast that was going to wipe the solar system clean and it's not even respected on KMC. Hulk ft is far better.

I can almost hear the sobs from here.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH ft is better. Gladiator tanked a blast that was going to wipe the solar system clean and it's not even respected on KMC. Hulk ft is far better.

nope. hyperbole.

Did Orion destroyed those planets on panel or just takes Kyle word for the event?

For the people that didn't see it, here's the scene...

https://postimg.org/image/etlc2c3iz/

Look at where the energy is coming from. The Lanterns wasn't even there when it happened. The showing is sceptical at best and nothing points towards Orion having any play in it.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Did Orion destroyed those planets on panel or just takes Kyle word for the event?

Lol...Kyle word and he wasn't even there when it happened.

Originally posted by ghostman
nope. hyperbole.

I agree...Orion ft is Hyperbole.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I can almost hear the sobs from here.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree...Orion ft is Hyperbole.




nope gladiators is. his entire history is filled with it.


gladiator is supermans kid. he'll never be a fraction as great or as powerful as the original

Originally posted by ghostman
nope gladiators is. his entire history is filled with it.


gladiator is supermans kid. he'll never be a fraction as great or as powerful as the original



I sense some hostility in this post against Gladiator. Sad that this doesn't go against what I said.

Originally posted by ghostman
nope gladiators is. his entire history is filled with it.


gladiator is supermans kid. he'll never be a fraction as great or as powerful as the original

Actually, gladiator is more powerful than superman.

Originally posted by JBL
Actually, gladiator is more powerful than superman. What's your, and your writer friends, answer to my question?

Originally posted by JBL
Actually, gladiator is more powerful than superman.

THE HOUSE OF EL IS THE LIGHT AND HOPE OF YOUR BITTER LIFE!!!!

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
What's your, and your writer friends, answer to my question? That you made a thread in an attempt to lowball WBH and wank Orion. Anything else?

Divided.

On one hand, Orion punked Superman.

OTOH, Hulk caught and smothered an Iron Fist.

Originally posted by JBL
That you made a thread in an attempt to lowball WBH and wank Orion. Anything else? That's not a coherent answer tbh. Couldn't all of you come with something better? Lol

WBH is more impressive. What he does is done with strength. Characters do significantly more collateral damage with EP. Plus, what Hulk does is against an equal. Orion faces a much more powerful being. This "golem" is the one who performs the feat. The same energy it releases when responding with counter measures against Hal is the same energy it is releasing against Orion the issue before. So it is the golem's energy that does the damage.

Orions feat is obviously better

Originally posted by TheHulkster
WBH is more impressive. What he does is done with strength. Characters do significantly more collateral damage with EP. Plus, what Hulk does is against an equal. Orion faces a much more powerful being. This "golem" is the one who performs the feat. The same energy it releases when responding with counter measures against Hal is the same energy it is releasing against Orion the issue before. So it is the golem's energy that does the damage.



By any chance, do you have the clash with Orion and this being?

Originally posted by carver9


By any chance, do you have the clash with Orion and this being?

This is all that is shown.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Hal-Jordan-26-Art.jpg

Orion would pull off a Bane style backbreaker on Hulk

Lol...ABHI didn't even think Orion had play in the ft when he first posted the showing. A statement from a lantern that wasn't even there to witness what happened changed his opinion...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion survives point blank solar system destroying blasts and then gets oneshot killed by omega beams.

https://s1.postimg.org/591pfge73/RCO012.jpg


The godkillers destroyed an entire space sector.

http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5904.jpg
http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5905.jpg
http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5906.jpg
http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5908.jpg
http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5910.jpg
http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5913.jpg

Forging of Godkillers echo through the multiverse.

http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5897.jpg


Remember when marvel skyfathers were powerful because of space cheese like this?

mmm

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...ABHI didn't even think Orion had play in the ft when he first posted the showing. A statement from a lantern that wasn't even there to witness what happened changed his opinion...

LOL! Truth is, he was right in his first post. It's not Orion's power that causes the destruction.

From the scans I've seen...this feat is getting a lot more respect from people who argued heavily against World breaker despite it being far more hearsay. Regardless, Orion's feat is obviously far more impressive in the scale of collateral damage (Even though it was a clash and he nearly died where as Hulk threw a punch) but Hulks is far more impressive to me in terms of relativity many times over.

You can substitute Orion for a shit load of space Heralds but almost no character I can think of could replicate Hulk's. Multiple Herald level bricks magnified in strength were incinerated in the after shocks. To me that is far more impressive.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
From the scans I've seen...this feat is getting a lot more respect from people who argued heavily against World breaker despite it being far more hearsay. Regardless, Orion's feat is obviously far more impressive in the scale of collateral damage (Even though it was a clash and he nearly died where as Hulk threw a punch) but Hulks is far more impressive to me in terms of relativity many times over.

You can substitute Orion for a shit load of space Heralds but almost no character I can think of could replicate Hulk's. Multiple Herald level bricks magnified in strength were incinerated in the after shocks. To me that is far more impressive.
Which space herald destroyed a star system with shockwaves? Originally posted by TheHulkster
This is all that is shown.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Hal-Jordan-26-Art.jpg
Not even what was shown. That was in a different location. Orion later boom tubes in the destroyed solar system. Originally posted by carver9
Lol...ABHI didn't even think Orion had play in the ft when he first posted the showing. A statement from a lantern that wasn't even there to witness what happened changed his opinion...
Because at that time it was shown as the Godkillers power. Now it is stated as Orion's attack.

Here he literally boom tubes in the already destroyed solar system.

http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5908.jpg

Originally posted by JBL
Actually, gladiator is more powerful than superman.

actually no he is not

Originally posted by vansonbee
Did Orion destroyed those planets on panel or just takes Kyle word for the event?
We saw the planets destroyed but they were destroyed off panel.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
WBH is more impressive. What he does is done with strength. Characters do significantly more collateral damage with EP. Plus, what Hulk does is against an equal. Orion faces a much more powerful being. This "golem" is the one who performs the feat. The same energy it releases when responding with counter measures against Hal is the same energy it is releasing against Orion the issue before. So it is the golem's energy that does the damage.
New 52 Orion doesn't uses astro force. It's all his strength.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
From the scans I've seen...this feat is getting a lot more respect from people who argued heavily against World breaker despite it being far more hearsay. Regardless, Orion's feat is obviously far more impressive in the scale of collateral damage (Even though it was a clash and he nearly died where as Hulk threw a punch) but Hulks is far more impressive to me in terms of relativity many times over.

You can substitute Orion for a shit load of space Heralds but almost no character I can think of could replicate Hulk's. Multiple Herald level bricks magnified in strength were incinerated in the after shocks. To me that is far more impressive.
Orion didn't die against the golem. He had a minor nosebleed.

Further it was with his strength hence "shockwaves". You don't generate shockwaves with energy blasts.

I'm not surprised you think a planet getting destroyed by shockwaves is more impressive than a star system getting destroyed by shockwaves.

I can't believe i'm 100% with Rage on this one. On scale of a star system, personally i'll have to see it to believe such damage was caused.

Originally posted by TheHulk
I can't believe i'm 100% with Rage on this one. On scale of a star system, personally i'll have to see it to believe such damage was caused.

https://s6.postimg.org/ylzyks035/5904.jpg

https://s6.postimg.org/fi6n4fn8x/5905.jpg

https://s6.postimg.org/eh6efb69d/5906.jpg

https://s6.postimg.org/9wk80dmk1/5907.jpg

There you go.

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

WBH feat was a shared feat. Betty was amped by the wishing well, Hulk probably too. Still they did it together and under the influence of the wishing well, ambiguous at best.
EVEN if we would grant Hulk the feat as his own only, which it was not, it would still be leagues below what Orion did. Orions attack turned a whole Solar System to dust and the God Killer tanking it is just insane. Look up the distance between Earth and the Sun, Jupiter and the Sun and Pluto and the Sun, compare it to the size of an Earth or smaller Planet like the one in the Dark Dimension and imagine how much Power you need to outright destroy something so far away as a side effect of your attack.

Orions feat sh!ts all over WBH and Bettys nonfeat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Further it was with his strength hence "shockwaves". You don't generate shockwaves with energy blasts.

In general, or in this instance, because one of those options would be dead wrong.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
WBH feat was a shared feat. Betty was amped by the wishing well, Hulk probably too. Still they did it together and under the influence of the wishing well, ambiguous at best.
EVEN if we would grant Hulk the feat as his own only, which it was not, it would still be leagues below what Orion did. Orions attack turned a whole Solar System to dust and the God Killer tanking it is just insane. Look up the distance between Earth and the Sun, Jupiter and the Sun and Pluto and the Sun, compare it to the size of an Earth or smaller Planet like the one in the Dark Dimension and imagine how much Power you need to outright destroy something so far away as a side effect of your attack.

Orions feat sh!ts all over WBH and Bettys nonfeat.

You add much to an off panel confrontation that is given no details. Where is it stated that Orion attacks and GK only tanks? The one scene we see of them squaring off shows GK emitting energy. We see it building up another charge before Orion's death is faked.

WBH is specifically not amped and Betty is amped only to match him. What they accomplish is done with strength. Orion and GK use energy. Explosions cause shockwaves all the time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which space herald destroyed a star system with shockwaves?
Not even what was shown. That was in a different location. Orion later boom tubes in the destroyed solar system.
Because at that time it was shown as the Godkillers power. Now it is stated as Orion's attack.

Here he literally boom tubes in the already destroyed solar system.

http://viewcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/16/5908.jpg

So we see nothing? We are basing this showing off of a statement from a character that wasn't even there to witness anything? This is hilarious. Pretend like This was Surfer, would you accept the showing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Further it was with his strength hence "shockwaves". You don't generate shockwaves with energy blasts.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5230877-5002.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
In general, or in this instance, because one of those options would be dead wrong.
In general.Originally posted by carver9
So we see nothing? We are basing this showing off of a statement from a character that wasn't even there to witness anything? This is hilarious. Pretend like This was Surfer, would you accept the showing?
Yes, why wouldn't I? The solar system was destroyed on panel and he was stated to be the cause of it.Originally posted by TheHulkster
https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5230877-5002.jpg
That wasn't due to Orion's attacks. It was due to Technis who had burrowed deep into Earth and destroying it would've destroyed the earth.

New 52 Orion doesn't has astro force AFAIK hence it was not an energy attack.

ABHI, I have seen you argue consistently against statements. You're being hypocritical right now.

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI, I have seen you argue consistently against statements. You're being hypocritical right now.
Statements with nothing to show. This is as indisputable as it goes.

You guys are all missing the point of the OP.

All things considered, which is the biggest feat. NOT, did Orion's feat actually happen.

Jesus wept....

Originally posted by abhilegend
In general.

Then I don't understand what you're getting at. Energy blasts that are strong enough kinetically would create shockwaves. It isn't limited to punches and kicks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You guys are all missing the point of the OP.

All things considered, which is the biggest feat. NOT, did Orion's feat actually happen.

Jesus wept....

It's the only way people can argue against Orion though, as far as I've seen.

What was WBHs best feat? The dimension one?

Yeah, the Dark Dimension feat.

Assuming both events happened, which is thebigger of the two. That's all. Not: WBH 's is better, because Orion's feat didn't happen.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, the Dark Dimension feat.

Assuming both events happened, which is thebigger of the two. That's all. Not: WBH 's is better, because Orion's feat didn't happen.....

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but... Imagine if Superman did it, though?

It is obvious which feat is bigger.

One is a planet buster the other one a solar system buster.

Solar System buster, ftw.

It definitely destroyed more , but what's impressive about Hulks feat isn't the planet breaking, but the people he killed by slamming into Betty. Pretty strong folks and an army of mindless ones no less.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You guys are all missing the point of the OP.

All things considered, which is the biggest feat. NOT, did Orion's feat actually happen.

Jesus wept....

If that's the point, it's understandable that it was missed. Your title describes the feat as "Orion's", thus people are going to argue it based on what Orion does. You would have had to ask if this solar system destroying explosion greater than The Dark Dimension explosions in Hulk's book.

Is the feat greater no matter who does it? Hulk's feat comes from punch shockwaves. This recent one comes from energy projection. Energy projection almost always produces significantly greater collateral damage. So which one is more impressive is still up for grabs.

As for who performs the feat, it is clearly predominantly the god killer. GL blames Orion because it is the result of the confrontation. If I kick a bomb and cause it to explode, I would be said to have caused the explosion. But it wouldn't be a feat for me.

We see a panel of the confrontation and we see god Killer releasing energy. It's clear cut. Clearly Orion escapes the explosion by boom tubing away and later boom tubes back to that location after Hal arrives.

Casue Orion did it.

Originally posted by ghostman
nope gladiators is. his entire history is filled with it.


gladiator is supermans kid. he'll never be a fraction as great or as powerful as the original

a trash superman with a Mohawk

Originally posted by mighty adam
a trash superman with a Mohawk

He's got his moments.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/68646/1713555-244596_vulcan2_super.jpg

Ugh, Vulcan.

To be fair, it mostly just looks cool lol.

That it does.

Denial is not a river in Africa

Originally posted by -Pr-
Then I don't understand what you're getting at. Energy blasts that are strong enough kinetically would create shockwaves. It isn't limited to punches and kicks.



It's the only way people can argue against Orion though, as far as I've seen.

What was WBHs best feat? The dimension one?
But in general they don't. And this Orion doesn't has astro force and hasn't used it AFAIK. Originally posted by TheHulkster
If that's the point, it's understandable that it was missed. Your title describes the feat as "Orion's", thus people are going to argue it based on what Orion does. You would have had to ask if this solar system destroying explosion greater than The Dark Dimension explosions in Hulk's book.

Is the feat greater no matter who does it? Hulk's feat comes from punch shockwaves. This recent one comes from energy projection. Energy projection almost always produces significantly greater collateral damage. So which one is more impressive is still up for grabs.

As for who performs the feat, it is clearly predominantly the god killer. GL blames Orion because it is the result of the confrontation. If I kick a bomb and cause it to explode, I would be said to have caused the explosion. But it wouldn't be a feat for me.

We see a panel of the confrontation and we see god Killer releasing energy. It's clear cut. Clearly Orion escapes the explosion by boom tubing away and later boom tubes back to that location after Hal arrives.


The sheer denial is amazing. This isn't due to energy projection. Orion doesn't uses astro force after new 52.

And the Godkiller and Orion were in a different location.

But you can only use the most unlikely scenario to lowball any feat. It's like in your genes now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But in general they don't. And this Orion doesn't has astro force and hasn't used it AFAIK.


The sheer denial is amazing. This isn't due to energy projection. Orion doesn't uses astro force after new 52.

And the Godkiller and Orion were in a different location.

But you can only use the most unlikely scenario to lowball any feat. It's like in your genes now.

You reaching to say that they are in a different location is very much you. Clearly they are showing the confrontation that causes the destruction. Orion flees the scene and booms back when Hal shows up. Can you post scans where Orion is shown currently unable to use the Astroforce?

You have to stop making things up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://s6.postimg.org/ylzyks035/5904.jpg

https://s6.postimg.org/fi6n4fn8x/5905.jpg

https://s6.postimg.org/eh6efb69d/5906.jpg

https://s6.postimg.org/9wk80dmk1/5907.jpg

There you go. You can accuse me of being denial, but personally, just one scene that actually kinda looks like it's GK doing the damage does not really work for me.

Anyway, if Orion really did cause the damage then of course in terms of collateral damage, the star system feat is better.

You can see that it was him doing the damage. Nothing supports Orion doing anything.

Originally posted by carver9
You can see that it was him doing the damage. Nothing supports Orion doing anything. Denying the possibility of Orion having anything to do with the damage would be kinda asinine though, seeing though he was in the fight and looks like he was getting into it i suppose

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You reaching to say that they are in a different location is very much you. Clearly they are showing the confrontation that causes the destruction. Orion flees the scene and booms back when Hal shows up. Can you post scans where Orion is shown currently unable to use the Astroforce?

You have to stop making things up.
He was in a different location and comes after he was blasted. Kyle flat out says its him.


Orion hasn't used astro force since new 52. He simply doesn't uses it.

Originally posted by carver9
You can see that it was him doing the damage. Nothing supports Orion doing anything.
That was a different location Carter.

You have scans of them clashing?

Originally posted by carver9
You have scans of them clashing?
It happened off panel.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which space herald destroyed a star system with shockwaves?

Hey there buddy.

http://imgur.com/KwOlP6o.jpg

http://imgur.com/Dt3Oc8E.jpg
http://imgur.com/bgrh738.jpg

That thing in the first scan has been described as an exploding sun.
http://imgur.com/SBf8lrb.jpg
Must have been one of those super massive stars considering it dwarfed nearby stars and star systems.



Space cheese 4tw!
vin

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hey there buddy.

http://imgur.com/KwOlP6o.jpg

http://imgur.com/Dt3Oc8E.jpg
http://imgur.com/bgrh738.jpg

That thing in the first scan has been described as an exploding sun.
http://imgur.com/SBf8lrb.jpg
Must have been one of those super massive stars considering it dwarfed nearby stars and star systems.



Space cheese 4tw!
vin


Still with the same shit? No wonder you were on ignore.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, no. Those are in the background and are shown as little compared to even the chariot. Moreover, Surtur creates another identical portal on Earth using twilight and its nowhere near big enough to dwarf stars.

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29916275_Thor_V1348_p21.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29916276_Thor_V1348_p22.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29916277_Thor_V1348_p23.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29916274_Thor_1985_353_17.jpg




No, it doesn't. It merely says there is a portal and nowhere it is mentioned that the portal dwarfs or replaced the stars.




Or the portal isn't that big to begin with.




Yes, the portal was very hot. Never mentioned its size though.



That's just laughable. Its hot so its an exploding sun.

No wonder I always laugh at your stretching.




But Thor didn't travel at the speed of light to jump across the portal. If he did, Bill would be at the other side of the portal as well as he was also in the chariot at the very previous panel.

And Thor called him across the portal as well.





Yes, in the same scene the stars and planets are in the background and an identical portal was shown nowhere that big under the same artist.




Whenever you are ready for another round of thrashing, do let me know.

The portal was nowhere near that level in size. You can always pretend it was though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was in a different location and comes after he was blasted. Kyle flat out says its him.


Orion hasn't used astro force since new 52. He simply doesn't uses it.

Kyle specifically says "the last time". He says that the last time Orion confronted the GK, a solar system was destroyed and that he saw the remains of the destroyed planets. The image shown of the confrontation would have to be the last time even if it is at another location. So since Kyle observes the destruction from this "last time", clearly it is not at a different location.

So you're saying that since he has not been shown using the Astroforce in the short time of Rebirth, that means that he never uses it?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Kyle specifically says "the last time". He says that the last time Orion confronted the GK, a solar system was destroyed and that he saw the remains of the destroyed planets. The image shown of the confrontation would have to be the last time even if it is at another location. So since Kyle observes the destruction from this "last time", clearly it is not at a different location.

So you're saying that since he has not been shown using the Astroforce in the short time of Rebirth, that means that he never uses it? The point is that Kyle and Hal were elsewhere and come out of hyperspace at the end of that and see the damage, they missed it.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Kyle specifically says "the last time". He says that the last time Orion confronted the GK, a solar system was destroyed and that he saw the remains of the destroyed planets. The image shown of the confrontation would have to be the last time even if it is at another location. So since Kyle observes the destruction from this "last time", clearly it is not at a different location.

So you're saying that since he has not been shown using the Astroforce in the short time of Rebirth, that means that he never uses it?
ermm

The last time was the solar system being destroyed, Orion was somewhere else but he deduced that it was Orion's attack that destroyed it. There is nothing to contradict it.

He hasn't used astro force since new 52.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

The last time was the solar system being destroyed, Orion was somewhere else but he deduced that it was Orion's attack that destroyed it. There is nothing to contradict it.

He hasn't used astro force since new 52.

And the image shown of Orion confronting the GK is the last time.

It was the current battle. Hence when Orion exits from boom tube he was shown as blasted.

We have nothing proving Orion did anything. The only thing that exist is a statement from someone that wasn't there.

It's similar to this that everyone on KMC denied...

https://m.imgur.com/StoDp3l?r

Or Sentry facing Galactus. The list is long.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was the current battle. Hence when Orion exits from boom tube he was shown as blasted.

That's the previous issue. In the issue where Kyle makes his statement, there is no current battle going on when he makes that statement. He is referring to the last battle which is the one shown. Juntai states that Hal and Kyle arrive at the end of the solar system battle, just missing it. This shows how clear it is to everyone else. The solar system busting battle is the last battle Kyle mentions and the battle shown would have to be the last battle. So they are the same.

A solar system is big. Orion tubed from one part of it to where Kyle and Hal are.

Originally posted by carver9
We have nothing proving Orion did anything. The only thing that exist is a statement from someone that wasn't there.

It's similar to this that everyone on KMC denied...

https://m.imgur.com/StoDp3l?r

Or Sentry facing Galactus. The list is long.

And Kd G is specifically stating what he has seen with his own eyes. And yes, the list is long:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/117571/4213552-beatdown+by+champion+-+1.jpg

Not sure how you can say that's the same thing. We actually saw one panel a destroyed star system isn't the same as hyperbole. So it has far more merit.

Originally posted by carver9
We have nothing proving Orion did anything. The only thing that exist is a statement from someone that wasn't there.

It's similar to this that everyone on KMC denied...

https://m.imgur.com/StoDp3l?r

Or Sentry facing Galactus. The list is long.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's the previous issue. In the issue where Kyle makes his statement, there is no current battle going on when he makes that statement. He is referring to the last battle which is the one shown. Juntai states that Hal and Kyle arrive at the end of the solar system battle, just missing it. This shows how clear it is to everyone else. The solar system busting battle is the last battle Kyle mentions and the battle shown would have to be the last battle. So they are the same.

A solar system is big. Orion tubed from one part of it to where Kyle and Hal are.
There is no indication that Orion was in the destroyed solar system. They even checked with the ring which shows no survivors.

You're just making shit up now.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
And Kd G is specifically stating what he has seen with his own eyes. And yes, the list is long:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/117571/4213552-beatdown+by+champion+-+1.jpg
These are claims with nothing to back them up.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not sure how you can say that's the same thing. We actually saw one panel a destroyed star system isn't the same as hyperbole. So it has far more merit.

Do you hold the same view here that you expressed below?

Originally posted by -K-M-
So nothing else other then that panel? I have seen that before, but was wondering if there was ANY confirmation. We have no clue what happened then . To say for certain BM did it alone or even with ease or with no additional help is impossible to say. Do we even know he beat him?

100%. Star system got destroyed that's fact. Now the debate is if Orion or the golem did it. That is what we didn't see and that warrants debate

Your examples we saw nothing on panel to warrant any merit and is considered hyberbole. Not the same thing

Originally posted by abhilegend
These are claims with nothing to back them up.

Yeah. That was my point

Originally posted by -K-M-
100%. Star system got destroyed that's fact. Now the debate is if Orion or the golem did it. That is what we didn't see and that warrants debate

Your examples we saw nothing on panel to warrant any merit and is considered hyberbole. Not the same thing

And let's go further. Abhi insists that Orion causes the shockwaves solely with his punches. Do you agree that there is no bases for such a conclusion?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
And let's go further. Abhi insists that Orion causes the shockwaves solely with his punches. Do you agree that there is no bases for such a conclusion?

Based on what we saw I honestly can't say for certain if it physically was him or if Kyle meant your responsible as in the golem destroyed the system because of you. That's why off-panel feats are very difficult to judge. Could it been him? Maybe. But also maybe not

The writer had Kyle said it was him. Unless it's changed further there is nothing to contradict it and anybody doing so is doing it out of spite.

Like Hulkster always does.

Writer said it was him? As in an interview?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Writer said it was him? As in an interview?

He was trying to say that the writer wrote Kyle saying that it was Orion. But you explained the ambiguity of the dialogue earlier.

Ironically, Abhi makes the same ambiguity case with regard to Panther's fight with Black Dwarf.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Writer said it was him? As in an interview?
No, Kyle said it was him. Originally posted by TheHulkster
He was trying to say that the writer wrote Kyle saying that it was Orion. But you explained the ambiguity of the dialogue earlier.

Ironically, Abhi makes the same ambiguity case with regard to Panther's fight with Black Dwarf.


Your butthurt is noted.

Bump

Originally posted by TheHulkster
If that's the point, it's understandable that it was missed. Your title describes the feat as "Orion's", thus people are going to argue it based on what Orion does. You would have had to ask if this solar system destroying explosion greater than The Dark Dimension explosions in Hulk's book.

Is the feat greater no matter who does it? Hulk's feat comes from punch shockwaves. This recent one comes from energy projection. Energy projection almost always produces significantly greater collateral damage. So which one is more impressive is still up for grabs.

As for who performs the feat, it is clearly predominantly the god killer. GL blames Orion because it is the result of the confrontation. If I kick a bomb and cause it to explode, I would be said to have caused the explosion. But it wouldn't be a feat for me.

We see a panel of the confrontation and we see god Killer releasing energy. It's clear cut. Clearly Orion escapes the explosion by boom tubing away and later boom tubes back to that location after Hal arrives.

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
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Troll

Hulk melted Herald plus level beings with the shockwaves from a single punch that was cloud height. Turned them to dust and he also killed the Mindless Ones during the process. The same Mindless Ones that Umar who was amped off of Dormammu power, admitted she was unable to stop on her own. There isn't a single Herald, trans tier or skyfather level being that could replicate this showing with a single punch while being some distance from the battlefield.

It only caused destruction of a planet and cracked a nearby moon and the second moon was unaffected. Orion's clash destroyed an entire solar system, it was just like Hulk but on a far bigger scale.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/60791/2973317-0736768454-29571.jpg

How's Hulk feat better carter?

I dont think you read my post. Again, Hulk showing melted beings that would either beat Orion (Fing, probably Armageddon and Mindless Ones) or give him fits (Wendigo and Bi Beast). Fing was stated to be amped to the point that no one on Earth could stop him and he was turned to dust. Its like Orion punching Superman in the face resulting in Diana and Captain Marvel melting as a side effect. Orion can not replicate that. I dont care about the planet and moon exploding, that's just a side effect. Since we are using statements, Umar said that Hulk destroyed her entire realm. Umar (Dormammu) realm consists of dimensions/universes that were conquered by them and merged with the already dimensions they've conquered. If that is the case and statements hold weight, that throws your collateral damage out of the way as well.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think you read my post. Again, Hulk showing melted beings that would either beat Orion (Fing, probably Armageddon and Mindless Ones) or give him fits (Wendigo and Bi Beast). Fing was stated to be amped to the point that no one on Earth could stop him and he was turned to dust. Its like Orion punching Superman in the face resulting in Diana and Captain Marvel melting as a side effect. Orion can not replicate that. I dont care about the planet and moon exploding, that's just a side effect. Since we are using statements, Umar said that Hulk destroyed her entire realm. Umar (Dormammu) realm consists of dimensions/universes that were conquered by them and merged with the already dimensions they've conquered. If that is the case and statements hold weight, that throws your collateral damage out of the way as well.


How's the planet exploding a side effect but killing those characters isn't? And how are these characters supposed to beat Orion when they will literally die by his fights Shockwaves which are way more powerful than what Hulk did.

Solar system >>>>>>Planet carter. Learn some astrophysics

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's the planet exploding a side effect but killing those characters isn't? And how are these characters supposed to beat Orion when they will literally die by his fights Shockwaves which are way more powerful than what Hulk did.

Solar system >>>>>>Planet carter. Learn some astrophysics

That feat was unquatifiable. We have no way of telling how much Orion contributed to the destruction.

Originally posted by Stoic
That feat was unquatifiable. We have no way of telling how much Orion contributed to the destruction.

How much did Hulk contribute to the destruction?

Originally posted by Stoic
That feat was unquatifiable. We have no way of telling how much Orion contributed to the destruction.
How much did Hulk contributed to destroy the planet?

Originally posted by Stoic
That feat was unquatifiable. We have no way of telling how much Orion contributed to the destruction. How much did Hulk contribute to make the planet be destroyed?

Half since they were obvious equals.

Was it stated?

Damn I already predicted this new angle the other day. After all else fails how. Next part to lowball would be to question the amount of force Orion provided.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was it stated?

They were equals, she had evenly the same strength as him. The Golem was more powerful than Orion

.Previously they had both been filled with so much GR that they were each giant and glowing with the stuff, so they were very clearly on par at a monstrous level. Unlike in Orion's case... It's clear that WB Hulk feat is MUCH more impressive 👍

So it was stated?

There was definitely rubble and fragments present; the planet wasn't even atomized.

When I get home from work later I WILL debunk THIS feat, period.

DS is a Youtuber now.

depends--has hulk shown a limit to his strength...?

anyway, after they fight everything is reset in hulk's battle. they only had the opportunity to smash ONE world. without witnessing how the orion battle went down it's crazy trying to gauge how much of it he was responsible for, making it impossible to compare it with this or any feat.

pr made some good points when he discussed the feat earlier--all of which i agree with.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's the planet exploding a side effect but killing those characters isn't? And how are these characters supposed to beat Orion when they will literally die by his fights Shockwaves which are way more powerful than what Hulk did.

Solar system >>>>>>Planet carter. Learn some astrophysics You need a lot more ">" there. A by product of Orion fighting the Golem destroying the solar system with shockwaves is as far above World Breaker Hulk, as World Breaker Hulk is above somebody like Luke Cage.

It goes to show you just insane DC have gotten when that's so far above is just glossed by as "please don't do that again".

Originally posted by Parmaniac
DS is a Youtuber now.

send me his channel link please

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk ft poops on Orion.

for some reason that sounds like a rapper's name

hulk featuring poops on Orion

Originally posted by MrMind
for some reason that sounds like a rapper's name

hulk featuring poops on Orion https://media2.giphy.com/media/BRZm0vGTazu3C/giphy.gif

poor abhi has to deal with both alberto and carver

huh? i'm not sure if you know what a double standard is...?

the planet the hulk's destroyed died here:

https://imgur.com/a/0AhegsW

that look like a prolonged battle to you?

the difference between the 2 feats is we actually SEE the hulks collide--we see exactly how the shockwave was generated. with the orion feat, we don't. it's not anymore complicated than that. you and many others seem to be under the impression i'm denigrating the feat. it's a very cool feat that speaks to 2 very powerful characters, but i don't see it as meaningfully as some do because i find it impossible to quantify for reasons i've already mentioned. i mean when you get down to it, even the hulk's isn't really quantifiable. how big is the planet? bigger than any of the planet's in that solar system?

but i'm curious. since you seem so positive about what happened, answer me this: exactly how WAS the solar system destroyed? gimme a description of the event. that goes for anyone. and don't cop out and say "they created shockwaves!1!"

tell me exactly how these shockwaves were generated--what event or collection of events--led to them. can't wait to read some fan fic. maybe something good finally comes from this discussion.

Orion scenario is nice but also at the same time, not really that impressive

he fought a golem and solar system was destroyed. it's impressive and tells you what type of opponent he fought. That said, we will never truly know how much of the damage was done by the Golem.

Was the golem shooting beams, while Orion was dodge the them?
Were they hitting each other to the point that their shockwaves destroyed the solar system

I can't remember but the 2-3 issues didn't really go that far into details.

Probably Orion's.

Originally posted by leonidas
depends--has hulk shown a limit to his strength...?

anyway, after they fight everything is reset in hulk's battle. they only had the opportunity to smash ONE world. without witnessing how the orion battle went down it's crazy trying to gauge how much of it he was responsible for, making it impossible to compare it with this or any feat.

pr made some good points when he discussed the feat earlier--all of which i agree with.
But we did see the battle going on and even the writer confirmed it was their clash which destroyed the solar system. If the power released by Golem was really that much more powerful than Orion's, it would have simply overpowered the force, not create Shockwaves to destroy an entire solar system.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Orion scenario is nice but also at the same time, not really that impressive

he fought a golem and solar system was destroyed. it's impressive and tells you what type of opponent he fought. That said, we will never truly know how much of the damage was done by the Golem.

Was the golem shooting beams, while Orion was dodge the them?
Were they hitting each other to the point that their shockwaves destroyed the solar system

I can't remember but the 2-3 issues didn't really go that far into details.
Yes, we know. Shockwaves are created when the energy can't move forward due to a resistance and instead disperses in a wide area. Its physics 101. In order to create such a Shockwave, both colliding forces have to be equal and opposite.

Originally posted by leonidas
huh? i'm not sure if you know what a double standard is...?

the planet the hulk's destroyed died here:

https://imgur.com/a/0AhegsW

that look like a prolonged battle to you?

the difference between the 2 feats is we actually SEE the hulks collide--we see exactly how the shockwave was generated. with the orion feat, we don't. it's not anymore complicated than that. you and many others seem to be under the impression i'm denigrating the feat. it's a very cool feat that speaks to 2 very powerful characters, but i don't see it as meaningfully as some do because i find it impossible to quantify for reasons i've already mentioned. i mean when you get down to it, even the hulk's isn't really quantifiable. how big is the planet? bigger than any of the planet's in that solar system?

but i'm curious. since you seem so positive about what happened, answer me this: exactly how WAS the solar system destroyed? gimme a description of the event. that goes for anyone. and don't cop out and say "they created shockwaves!1!"

tell me exactly how these shockwaves were generated--what event or collection of events--led to them. can't wait to read some fan fic. maybe something good finally comes from this discussion.
Its really disengenous when you have to dismiss the actual evidence of how the solar system was destroyed as "don't present that as the proof".

Bravo

Originally posted by abhilegend
But we did see the battle going on and even the writer confirmed it was their clash which destroyed the solar system. If the power released by Golem was really that much more powerful than Orion's, it would have simply overpowered the force, not create Shockwaves to destroy an entire solar system.

What a complete dumbass

kyle wasn't there to witness the full extent of the fight so no I don't think we should go by it completely.

Orion has never shown feat on that level to say he had the potential whereas the golem should have been the almost 100% cause of it.

The golem ( God killers ) were creating echoes across the multi verse at the time of their creation. the feat was caused by the golem not orion. Kyle blamed orion because he was part of the confrontation not that he was partially the cause or something. If I kick a bomb to explode I'll be accused of the explosion not that I created the explosion by my own hands you moron:

https://i.postimg.cc/7GG99vW2/153502361-467426194430357-2074359456806711229-o.jpg

And then shock waves doesn't even necessarily mean that. It can come from independent bodies:

https://i.postimg.cc/30wr4TrP/Screenshot-68.jpg

you can see from your scan. The golem was shown dispensing out energies. We can't take kyles word at face value. Since he didn't EVEN see it happen Your point about Orion was the resistance is retarded cuz Galactus has created shock waves that dispensed into multiple solar systems. There was no resistance, he just did it. so that's out of the way �

Didnt the matter in the dark dimension is more frangile, Which was mentioned in Doctor Strange Sorcerer Supreme IIRC?

the planet was shattered when they collided. they continued to fight later, but....so?

i never alluded to the length of time the orion fight took. i don't really care. the duration doesn't matter to me--the HOW of the destruction is what matters. and THAT is what we don't know. cool, though. you say it's not quantifiable so we're sort of on the same page, i guess. cool feat is a cool feat, but that's as far as it goes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We are going with what ifs now? What if Hulk destroyed Universe with his Butt cheeks clenching, huh?



abhi, the entire orion feat scenario is a what if. you seem to want to believe orion and the golem collided, (like hulk and betty) or smashed fists or their blasts met and sent off these shockwaves or something. MAYBE that happened. or maybe the golem smashed a planet when he tried to hit orion, resulting in the destruction of the planet. the destruction of a planet could easily send out shockwaves powerful enough to wipe out another planet that is close enough, in a sort of chain reaction. or maybe they smashed worlds individually as the fight progressed through the solar system. fact is--we don't know. not sure why that is so hard for you or anyone to understand. and resorting to real world physics? c'mon, h1....

the writer wanted us to see that two very powerful entities were battling. mission accomplished. cool feat. why it needs to be made more, i have no idea.

and there's nothing disingenuous when i'm the one admitting to you that i have no idea HOW the fight went down, what circumstances and events led to these shockwaves. hell, maybe orion was the one who one-shot a planet and contributed to the solar system being destroyed that way.

i'm telling you i don't know because we didn't see it. claiming anything otherwise with certainty? THAT is being disingenuous.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Not arguing against it, but can you cite three?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And then shock waves doesn't even necessarily mean that. It can come from independent bodies:

https://i.postimg.cc/30wr4TrP/Screenshot-68.jpg

you can see from your scan. The golem was shown dispensing out energies. We can't take kyles word at face value. Since he didn't EVEN see it happen Your point about Orion was the resistance is retarded cuz Galactus has created shock waves that dispensed into multiple solar systems. There was no resistance, he just did it. so that's out of the way �

https://i.postimg.cc/3yRFdzMz/153129312-467544391085204-3752971936300870786-n.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didnt the matter in the dark dimension is more frangile, Which was mentioned in Doctor Strange Sorcerer Supreme IIRC?

It's not as cut and dry as that. When this argument was originally presented, Hulkster posted scans showing that the sectors of the Dark Dimension governed by humanoid beings like Umar added gravity to the sectors that they governed after terra forming those sectors. While for the most part the sectors that were not terra formed were, and are more fragile. Umar's Kingdom had full gravity, and was filled with planets and a star.

Incredible Hulks 635, Umars calls them ridiculously annoying destroyers of her realm. There are 2 full books of their conflict, while you guys keep showing 1 panel, of an unquantifiable confrontation. When did Orion ever show on panel that he was capable of this type of destruction? I find it particularly amusing that anyone would compare the two of these guys on a level of physical strength. Orion may be more powerful in the sense that he cast blast things using the Astro Force, but on a purely strength level, he's not on WB Hulk's level.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's not as cut and dry as that. When this argument was originally presented, Hulkster posted scans showing that the sectors of the Dark Dimension governed by humanoid beings like Umar added gravity to the sectors that they governed after terra forming those sectors. While for the most part the sectors that were not terra formed were, and are more fragile. Umar's Kingdom had full gravity, and was filled with planets and a star.

Incredible Hulks 635, Umars calls them ridiculously annoying destroyers of her realm. There are 2 full books of their conflict, while you guys keep showing 1 panel, of an unquantifiable confrontation. When did Orion ever show on panel that he was capable of this type of destruction? I find it particularly amusing that anyone would compare the two of these guys on a level of physical strength. Orion may be more powerful in the sense that he cast blast things using the Astro Force, but on a purely strength level, he's not on WB Hulk's level. Okey? So it seems it still debatable whether the matter in the dark dimension is more fragile, Right?IOW, It is unquantifiable.
And I think the topic was asking which feat is better, I dont know why you suddenly brought up "level of physical strength". I dont remember I ever compared those two in terms of physical strength

So people honestly believe Pak when in thinking Hulk destroyed Umar realm only because of the difference in matter? You all are hilarious.

What