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Joker, casually.

LT with a thought.

LT gets jokerized.

Mxy is almagamated by the Brothers.

Even batmite will defeat the lt

I thought that the LT was more powerful than most characters? Can Joker really win?

Originally posted by Galan007
Joker, casually.

Current LT , I am not sure
Classic one,easily

Living Tribunal wins.

As long as Joker breaks a cosmic balance LT has supremacy.

Originally posted by Genii96
Current LT , I am not sure
Classic one,easily

Classic and current LT are the same.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Living Tribunal wins.

As long as Joker breaks a cosmic balance LT has supremacy.

LT does not have authority over DC cosmos. Joker will turn him into a jackass just like he did to Hal Jordan Spectre and The Quintessence as most of LT's ''feats'' are mostly speculated hypes. 5th dimensional imps however can pretty much do whatever they want and have the necessary feats to back it.

Joker.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Classic and current LT are the same.

Then I can't see how LT loses. One of these beings has held multiverses in the palm of his hand, the other is Emperor Joker.

Originally posted by Surtur
Then I can't see how LT loses. One of these beings has held multiverses in the palm of his hand, the other is Emperor Joker.

Originally posted by Surtur
One of these beings has held multiverses in the palm of his hand ... I'm legitimately curious why you think that particular feat equates to LT beating Joker? mmm

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm legitimately curious why you think that particular feat equates to LT beating Joker? mmm

Indeed since Joker can effortlessly warp beings whose power and authority come from the highest authority in DC, such as Spectre and Phantom Stranger, into jackassess, and did actually control all of reality as it was explained by the Jokerized Satanus, and could destroy and recreate the universe with a snap for shits and giggles.

Originally posted by SithLantern93
Indeed since Joker can effortlessly warp beings whose power and authority come from the highest authority in DC, such as Spectre and Phantom Stranger, into jackassess, and did actually control all of reality as it was explained by the Jokerized Satanus, and could destroy and recreate the universe with a snap for shits and giggles.

The Living Tribunal is above the Spectre in terms of powers.

The Living Tribunal is also an amazing warper. He could destroy and recreate multiple universes and realities in order to keep the Cosmic Balance in the Multiverse.

So this would be a though one for Emperor Joker.

LT.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Living Tribunal is above the Spectre in terms of powers.

The Living Tribunal is also an amazing warper. He could destroy and recreate multiple universes and realities in order to keep the Cosmic Balance in the Multiverse.

So this would be a though one for Emperor Joker.
Where did he recreate any universe? Adam Warlock who was stated to be more powerful than the previous LT couldn't recreate a single universe.


http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793976_1673840.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793979_3405957.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793983_9785241.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793989_8527381.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793997_5337206.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did he recreate any universe? Adam Warlock who was stated to be more powerful than the previous LT couldn't recreate a single universe.


http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793976_1673840.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793979_3405957.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793983_9785241.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793989_8527381.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793997_5337206.jpg

The implication of greater power than before is made after he becomes LT. You can't conclude that before TOAA changes him, that he is anywhere near that level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did he recreate any universe? Adam Warlock who was stated to be more powerful than the previous LT couldn't recreate a single universe.


http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793976_1673840.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793979_3405957.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793983_9785241.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793989_8527381.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/26793997_5337206.jpg

First of all the panels you are showing are form a non canon story and therefore that's no evidence to support your claim. Where is it stated that Adam's tribunal is more powerful that current ones?

And you are right. I remember seeing somewhere that the LT could recreate realities but I might be wrong. If I find the evidence I shall post it.

It's non-canon?

Originally posted by -K-M-
It's non-canon?

Yes.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
First of all the panels you are showing are form a non canon story and therefore that's no evidence to support your claim. Where is it stated that Adam's tribunal is more powerful that current ones?

And you are right. I remember seeing somewhere that the LT could recreate realities but I might be wrong. If I find the evidence I shall post it.
Again with the same shit? Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes.
No, it is not. It directly mentions beyonders killing LT and is shown Canon to Thanos vs Hulk series.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The implication of greater power than before is made after he becomes LT. You can't conclude that before TOAA changes him, that he is anywhere near that level.
He was directly stated to be on the level before he was LT.

http://i.imgur.com/M8arURa.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was directly stated to be on the level before he was LT.

http://i.imgur.com/M8arURa.jpg

It states that he is on the level of Eternity and Infinity. Having LT "potential" is not being LT level.

And that description references power gained from a single actuality. Nothing to do with multiversal LT.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again with the same shit?

The samething i wonder since you keep posting the same non canon comic!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes.

proof?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It states that he is on the level of Eternity and Infinity. Having LT "potential" is not being LT level.

And that description references power gained from a single actuality. Nothing to do with multiversal LT.
There is a different LT in every universe as per Starlin who noted only 616 LT died against Beyonders.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The samething i wonder since you keep posting the same non canon comic!
You still haven't posted any thing that proves its non Canon.

Jim Starlin said it was canon BTW and he tried to write as many continuity stuff he could.



https://www.newsarama.com/19918-jim-starlin-details-2014-s-thanos-the-infinity-revelation.html

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is a different LT in every universe as per Starlin who noted only 616 LT died against Beyonders.

As per no one else but Starlin, including Ewing. Starlin' LT is not the well established multiversal LT.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You still haven't posted any thing that proves its non Canon.

Jim Starlin said it was canon BTW and he tried to write as many continuity stuff he could.



https://www.newsarama.com/19918-jim-starlin-details-2014-s-thanos-the-infinity-revelation.html

Starlin also said this:

https://www.newsarama.com/22848-jim-starlin-marvel-basically-has-three-thanoses.html

Originally posted by TheHulkster
LT with a thought.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You still haven't posted any thing that proves its non Canon.

Jim Starlin said it was canon BTW and he tried to write as many continuity stuff he could.



https://www.newsarama.com/19918-jim-starlin-details-2014-s-thanos-the-infinity-revelation.html

Search any site you want and they'll tell you that it isn't a canon story.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
As per no one else but Starlin, including Ewing. Starlin' LT is not the well established multiversal LT.
Considering Starlin has written most of LT's appearances, yes it is. Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Search any site you want and they'll tell you that it isn't a canon story.
Why will I do that when the writer himself said it's canon?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering Starlin has written most of LT's appearances, yes it is.
Why will I do that when the writer himself said it's canon?

Yet your assertion is based on only one storyline.

Starlin said the Marvel The End was canon, yet your argue that it is not,

Originally posted by abhilegend Why will I do that when the writer himself said it's canon?

Just because he said it to be canon doesn't mean that it is in continuity with the main Marvel Events. No other comic has proven that comic to be canon. Else, show me evidence.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm legitimately curious why you think that particular feat equates to LT beating Joker? mmm

I will admit it has been a long time since I read Emp Joker, but I thought his power levels were universal. While LT is beyond that, multiversal. Seems like he could destroy a universe/multiverse on a whim if he wanted.

I had thought the 5D imps only showed similar power levels in that "Worlds Finest" story.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet your assertion is based on only one storyline.

Starlin said the Marvel The End was canon, yet your argue that it is not,
LT's most appearances are from Starlin. His work is what comprises of most of his feats. Remove those and he has relatively nothing impressive for feats.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Just because he said it to be canon doesn't mean that it is in continuity with the main Marvel Events. No other comic has proven that comic to be canon. Else, show me evidence.
The ****? Now even the writer's word is not enough and unless it is shown in other comics its automatically non canon? Half of marvel comics would be non canon that way.

Why don't you show me a proof that it's non canon in the first place?

yeah, i'd like to see proof it's non-canon too, because that has never been said anywhere. websites are meaningless of course--or at least no more or less meaningful than a direct comment from the writer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The ****? Now even the writer's word is not enough and unless it is shown in other comics its automatically non canon? Half of marvel comics would be non canon that way.

Why don't you show me a proof that it's non canon in the first place?

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i'd like to see proof it's non-canon too, because that has never been said anywhere. websites are meaningless of course--or at least no more or less meaningful than a direct comment from the writer.


OMG!

First of all. Throughout time Starlin has a fame of getting his content Retconned. Marvel in several cases have ignored Starlin's Stories. So, bringing Starlin's Comics to prove a point is IGNORANT!

Also, It is well known that Adam Warlock's tribunal takes place in an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (if you don't know that then go and do some research). So that means that Adam's Tribunal doesn't take place in Continuity! It is more of a WHAT IF comic. And everyone knows that WHAT IF's comics are not in continuity.

The Continuity goes with the LT being killed by the Beyonders and then being brought bought in the 8th Iteration of the Multiverse. As shown in the Ultimates and the All New, All different comics.

According to Starlin's comics AW's Tribunal is canon. But not to the main Marvel Continuity. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT STARLIN THINKS OR SAYS ABOUT IT!

If it is canon material then why didn't we saw ADAM'S TRIBUNAl in the ULTIMATES?

Now you go and do some research and bring me evidence proving that AW's TRIBUNAL is canon. Let's see if you can do that.

(a) i never said it WAS canon. i've simply never seen proof it isn't and you haven't provided any.

(b) you said check sites--i did and there are several that claim adam DID take the lt role. one site even discusses how adam as lt judged for the lifebringer galactus in the recent ultimates series. all things considered, as much as i hate it, it seems it was canon--at least until order and chaos killed lt, again, and assumed his role. now there is yet another lt, the current one.

There is a sense that the "blind as newborns" statement in the scan below references Adam being reborn as LT. The statement is definitely attached to LT.

https://i.redd.it/eqz7jly1ogox.png

Ewing is a continuity guy and as can be seen with Shaper of Worlds, does tend to try and incorporate things shown in peripheral books. He is the only writer to acknowledge events in Slott's Surfer and the above was quite possibly his attempt to do the same for Starlin's book.

Originally posted by leonidas
(a) i never said it WAS canon. i've simply never seen proof it isn't and you haven't provided any.

(b) you said check sites--i did and there are several that claim adam DID take the lt role. one site even discusses how adam as lt judged for the lifebringer galactus in the recent ultimates series. all things considered, as much as i hate it, it seems it was canon--at least until order and chaos killed lt, again, and assumed his role. now there is yet another lt, the current one.

Well i've read several sites where they takes his work as a JOKE.

All i know is that according to continuity LT died to the Beyonders and that the LT we saw at the Ultimate's wasn't Adam Warlock! To me that is prove enough that it isn't in continuity. It is a separated story limitted to a single universe it seems. Until Adam Warlock appears on a comic of the 8th Multiverse as the LT that Tribunal shall remain in The Infinity Series of Starlin and nowhere else.

Besides, the topic is LT vs Emperor Joker. When you name LT you are refering to the Tribunal slained by the Beyonders or the One that was reborn in the New Multiverse.

Either way Adam's Tribunal has no place in this Thread.

according to numerous sites, he HAS appeared in the 8th. he was the one slain--as i already said--by chaos and order.

Originally posted by leonidas
according to numerous sites, he HAS appeared in the 8th. he was the one slain--as i already said--by chaos and order.

I don't know if art is a good judge of whether it is Warlock LT or not.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111176698/4410208-77793-34619-living-tribunal.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111316222/5773451-living+tribunal.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-otTi5CwAB9Y/VyB4-fltAEI/AAAAAAAAfr8/zMa_uYORvTg5zjo7yBQtImaNWIHN4oBTw/w800-h800/5163543-thanos---the-infinity-finale-%25282016%2529-%2528digital-empire%2529-098.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
according to numerous sites, he HAS appeared in the 8th. he was the one slain--as i already said--by chaos and order.

No that wasn't him. Show me a panel.

Well, there is this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mturetsky/status/781190979185479680

https://mobile.twitter.com/Al_Ewing/status/781220271378272257

Is there any proof that isn't writer interview,that it's non canon? Or not just from websites which can be edited and owned by anybody?

I mean Leo could own his own site and peddle his nonsensical ramblings,but that doesn't make it true.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No that wasn't him. Show me a panel.

lol

what do you want--order and chaos to just CALL him adam?? lol he WAS lt, that's how they referred to him. how about you show me a panel that indicates in some way it wasn't him. in fact, show any of us anything at all that indicates adam as lt was non-canon. YOU made the claim, so...back it up. at least i'm not arrogant enough to claim i know for sure whether it's canon or not. you ACTING like your word carries weight on this topic doesn't mean it ACTUALLY carries weight. you don't think it's canon--cool. just say that and move on. don't pretend that your OPINION on the subject is anything like fact, especially when whatever proof DOES exist seems to support the fact that for a time adam really was lt. seriously though, i've seen more than enough of your theories, hand-waving and ludicrous justifications for this character. feel free to reply and carry on, just know i won't be seeing your posts.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is there any proof that isn't writer interview,that it's non canon? Or not just from websites which can be edited and owned by anybody?

I mean Leo could own his own site and peddle his nonsensical ramblings,but that doesn't make it true.

no, at least none that i was able to find--though i didn't really look all that hard... /shrug

and i don't need to own a site to peddle. that's why i have kmc. evillaugh

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
OMG!

First of all. Throughout time Starlin has a fame of getting his content Retconned. Marvel in several cases have ignored Starlin's Stories. So, bringing Starlin's Comics to prove a point is IGNORANT!

Also, It is well known that Adam Warlock's tribunal takes place in an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (if you don't know that then go and do some research). So that means that Adam's Tribunal doesn't take place in Continuity! It is more of a WHAT IF comic. And everyone knows that WHAT IF's comics are not in continuity.

The Continuity goes with the LT being killed by the Beyonders and then being brought bought in the 8th Iteration of the Multiverse. As shown in the Ultimates and the All New, All different comics.

According to Starlin's comics AW's Tribunal is canon. But not to the main Marvel Continuity. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT STARLIN THINKS OR SAYS ABOUT IT!

If it is canon material then why didn't we saw ADAM'S TRIBUNAl in the ULTIMATES?

Now you go and do some research and bring me evidence proving that AW's TRIBUNAL is canon. Let's see if you can do that.
facepalm

This is taking "reaching" to a new level.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Classic and current LT are the same.

Maybe on paper.

Classic LT was the real deal, current is not.

Classic Living Tribunal>>>>>>>>>current LT

Classic LT stomps Emperor Joker.

"Classic" LT has some of the worst showings for the character.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Classic" LT has some of the worst showings for the character.

And by far the best one.

No

Originally posted by abhilegend
No

Yes.

Originally posted by Inedian
Maybe on paper.

Classic LT was the real deal, current is not.

Classic Living Tribunal>>>>>>>>>current LT

Classic LT stomps Emperor Joker.

There is no evidence as to say that Classic LT>>Current LT. Now comic has said/proven that. Else show me evidence.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i'd like to see proof it's non-canon too, because that has never been said anywhere. websites are meaningless of course--or at least no more or less meaningful than a direct comment from the writer. It is definitely canon, lol.


Has anyone mentioned Starlin's 2014 'Thanos Annual' yet? It was a direct prelude to 'Infinity Revelation', and basically retold every noteworthy canon event that has happened to Thanos over the years. From originally gaining the Cosmic Cube...to gaining the IG...to fighting The Goddess...to getting killed by Drax...Etc.:
https://s26.postimg.org/q7p385nm1/thanos_1.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/uytk3x5u1/thanos_2.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/k9fvbnu15/thanos_3.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/ccqspot6x/thanos_4.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/7tj5hx0p5/thanos_5.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/vztst1mtl/thanos_6.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/m6clg8kp5/thanos_7.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/7lvilepqh/thanos_8.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/tauep9ryh/thanos_9.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/hzrr0wl3d/thanos_10.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/v2ryxx0p5/thanos_11.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/ighk12y89/thanos_12.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/al2f8iz7t/thanos_13.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/wlirp5hvt/thanos_14.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/b1s88pccp/thanos_15.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/bftk8awg9/thanos_16.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/5g5t4nbnt/thanos_17.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/svnq9zvex/thanos_18.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/h7tofg6a1/thanos_19.jpg


Heck, the very first page of the issue directly refers the readers back to 'Captain Marvel' v1 #33 -- the final issue of Thanos' first Cosmic Cube arc(which is obviously canon, lol):
https://s26.postimg.org/vfa6cm47d/image.jpg


And as mentioned: the final page confirms that the Annual is a direct prelude to 'Infinity Revelation':
https://s26.postimg.org/6nak5dn0p/image.jpg

And 'Revelation' is a direct prelude to 'Relativity', which is a direct prelude to 'Finale'... All those books are part of one big story.


_____________________________


And that's all aside from the numerous references to canon events in the other books -- like the Beyonders laying siege to the multiverse, for example:
https://s26.postimg.org/7jktq20uh/thanos_20.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/p8ckhocll/thanos_21.jpg

so...josh had it wrong. not sure i believe that.... mmm

...He'll still say it's wrong, though. ermm

because toaa has willed him to tell you it's wrong.

Originally posted by Galan007
It is definitely canon, lol.


Has anyone mentioned Starlin's 2014 'Thanos Annual' yet? It was a direct prelude to 'Infinity Revelation', and basically retold every noteworthy canon event that has happened to Thanos over the years. From originally gaining the Cosmic Cube...to gaining the IG...to fighting The Goddess...to getting killed by Drax...Etc.:
https://s26.postimg.org/q7p385nm1/thanos_1.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/uytk3x5u1/thanos_2.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/k9fvbnu15/thanos_3.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/ccqspot6x/thanos_4.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/7tj5hx0p5/thanos_5.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/vztst1mtl/thanos_6.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/m6clg8kp5/thanos_7.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/7lvilepqh/thanos_8.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/tauep9ryh/thanos_9.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/hzrr0wl3d/thanos_10.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/v2ryxx0p5/thanos_11.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/ighk12y89/thanos_12.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/al2f8iz7t/thanos_13.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/wlirp5hvt/thanos_14.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/b1s88pccp/thanos_15.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/bftk8awg9/thanos_16.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/5g5t4nbnt/thanos_17.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/svnq9zvex/thanos_18.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/h7tofg6a1/thanos_19.jpg


Heck, the very first page of the issue directly refers the readers back to 'Captain Marvel' v1 #33 -- the final issue of Thanos' first Cosmic Cube arc(which is obviously canon, lol):
https://s26.postimg.org/vfa6cm47d/image.jpg


And as mentioned: the final page confirms that the Annual is a direct prelude to 'Infinity Revelation':
https://s26.postimg.org/6nak5dn0p/image.jpg

And 'Revelation' is a direct prelude to 'Relativity', which is a direct prelude to 'Finale'... All those books are part of one big story.


_____________________________


And that's all aside from the numerous references to canon events in the other books -- like the Beyonders laying siege to the multiverse, for example:
https://s26.postimg.org/7jktq20uh/thanos_20.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/p8ckhocll/thanos_21.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
It is definitely canon, lol.


Has anyone mentioned Starlin's 2014 'Thanos Annual' yet? It was a direct prelude to 'Infinity Revelation', and basically retold every noteworthy canon event that has happened to Thanos over the years. From originally gaining the Cosmic Cube...to gaining the IG...to fighting The Goddess...to getting killed by Drax...Etc.:
https://s26.postimg.org/q7p385nm1/thanos_1.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/uytk3x5u1/thanos_2.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/k9fvbnu15/thanos_3.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/ccqspot6x/thanos_4.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/7tj5hx0p5/thanos_5.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/vztst1mtl/thanos_6.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/m6clg8kp5/thanos_7.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/7lvilepqh/thanos_8.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/tauep9ryh/thanos_9.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/hzrr0wl3d/thanos_10.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/v2ryxx0p5/thanos_11.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/ighk12y89/thanos_12.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/al2f8iz7t/thanos_13.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/wlirp5hvt/thanos_14.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/b1s88pccp/thanos_15.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/bftk8awg9/thanos_16.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/5g5t4nbnt/thanos_17.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/svnq9zvex/thanos_18.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/h7tofg6a1/thanos_19.jpg


Heck, the very first page of the issue directly refers the readers back to 'Captain Marvel' v1 #33 -- the final issue of Thanos' first Cosmic Cube arc(which is obviously canon, lol):
https://s26.postimg.org/vfa6cm47d/image.jpg


And as mentioned: the final page confirms that the Annual is a direct prelude to 'Infinity Revelation':
https://s26.postimg.org/6nak5dn0p/image.jpg

And 'Revelation' is a direct prelude to 'Relativity', which is a direct prelude to 'Finale'... All those books are part of one big story.


_____________________________


And that's all aside from the numerous references to canon events in the other books -- like the Beyonders laying siege to the multiverse, for example:
https://s26.postimg.org/7jktq20uh/thanos_20.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/p8ckhocll/thanos_21.jpg

Its in these times when i feel like hitting my self against a wall!!!!

The Thread is LT vs Emperor Joker. LT tribunal refering classic or current. Therefore all scans showing Adams tribunal are NON CANON! INVALID! OUT OF TOPIC!

Adams tribunal is canon within its own storyline of comics, and with a few exceptions. However if we are talking about the main marvel continuity Adam Tribunal isnt referenced nor is taken into account!

AS I HAVE SAID PROBABLY 100 TIMES! The continuity goes with LT Dead to the IKs and reappearing in the 8th Universe! PERIOD!

Warlocks tribunal takes part in an alternate universe. The Multiversal Tribunal of the 8th Universe isnt Warlock! Its been shown in the Ultimates!

So one way or another! Warlocks tribunal has no part here! Dont know why you are so stubborn to bring him in!

Originally posted by leonidas
so...josh had it wrong. not sure i believe that.... mmm

Read the upper reply

Originally posted by Inedian
Yes.
Nope. This happened to classic LT.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/2970863-reedsuper4hl5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111238/3241643-0855502799-29859.jpg

He was all hype.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Its in these times when i feel like hitting my self against a wall!!!!

The Thread is LT vs Emperor Joker. LT tribunal refering classic or current. Therefore all scans showing Adams tribunal are NON CANON! INVALID! OUT OF TOPIC!

Adams tribunal is canon within its own storyline of comics, and with a few exceptions. However if we are talking about the main marvel continuity Adam Tribunal isnt referenced nor is taken into account!

AS I HAVE SAID PROBABLY 100 TIMES! The continuity goes with LT Dead to the IKs and reappearing in the 8th Universe! PERIOD!

Warlocks tribunal takes part in an alternate universe. The Multiversal Tribunal of the 8th Universe isnt Warlock! Its been shown in the Ultimates!

So one way or another! Warlocks tribunal has no part here! Dont know why you are so stubborn to bring him in!
Wut?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. This happened to classic LT.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/2970863-reedsuper4hl5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111238/3241643-0855502799-29859.jpg

He was all hype.

How are you defining classic? That's from 2005 and based on you arguing that LT is universal, the would be non-canon. You declare it as non-canon in order to not have it included under Galactus's feats.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Its in these times when i feel like hitting my self against a wall!!!!

The Thread is LT vs Emperor Joker. LT tribunal refering classic or current. Therefore all scans showing Adams tribunal are NON CANON! INVALID! OUT OF TOPIC!

Adams tribunal is canon within its own storyline of comics, and with a few exceptions. However if we are talking about the main marvel continuity Adam Tribunal isnt referenced nor is taken into account!

AS I HAVE SAID PROBABLY 100 TIMES! The continuity goes with LT Dead to the IKs and reappearing in the 8th Universe! PERIOD!

Warlocks tribunal takes part in an alternate universe. The Multiversal Tribunal of the 8th Universe isnt Warlock! Its been shown in the Ultimates!

So one way or another! Warlocks tribunal has no part here! Dont know why you are so stubborn to bring him in!

There is validity to this. There is strong evidence that there is an LT per universe and a multi-verse LT. Starlin clearly writes a single universe LT. This is very applicable to what Hickman refers to as LT shards. Each universe has a shard of LT and those shards came together to battle The Beyonders.

The only problem is that the Warlock LT, while being different from the multiversal LT, would exist in the mainstream Marvel Universe as a "shard".

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There is validity to this. There is strong evidence that there is an LT per universe and a multi-verse LT. Starlin clearly writes a single universe LT. This is very applicable to what Hickman refers to as LT shards. Each universe has a shard of LT and those shards came together to battle The Beyonders.

The only problem is that the Warlock LT, while being different from the multiversal LT, would exist in the mainstream Marvel Universe as a "shard".

Yes that i can agree to.

But they are taking it as if Warlock is the new Living Tribunal! Thats not it.

When we say LT its being refered to the classic or current LT. Not Warlocks.

Universal LT and Multiversal are the same. The Tribunal is Omnipresent. He is everywhere at the same time. But it is possible that Warlock just replaced the Universal LT of that Universe and not of the Multiverse. Am open to that idea.

Originally posted by leonidas
because toaa has willed him to tell you it's wrong.

Lt wins, easily.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
How are you defining classic? That's from 2005 and based on you arguing that LT is universal, the would be non-canon. You declare it as non-canon in order to not have it included under Galactus's feats.
This was before Starlin's retcon and hence classic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Classic" LT has some of the worst showings for the character.

What is the best feat for the character then?

Originally posted by Surtur
What is the best feat for the character then?
His showing vs Adam Warlock with IG.

Originally posted by abhilegend
His showing vs Adam Warlock with IG. So Lt wins. I agree.

EMperor joker wins easily . LT failed to beat Beyonders who failed to survive the destruction of thousand universes while joker has the power over infinite realities and the Metaverse ( i'e infinite realities created from every quantum moment ) .

Joker wins.

LT stomps.

Originally posted by Obsidian1
EMperor joker wins easily . LT failed to beat Beyonders who failed to survive the destruction of thousand universes while joker has the power over infinite realities and the Metaverse ( i'e infinite realities created from every quantum moment ) . g

That's not what that scan states. EJ is less impressive than HoM Wanda. Isn't the LT of X-Men Adventures canon? He holds the cosmic brother's in his palm and those very same cosmic brothers Amalgamate Mxy and Wong.

Joker is progressively working toward the destruction of a single universe and the destruction of that single universe would also kill him. LT would have eliminated the Marvel U with a jesture and been fine. It takes a fully powered Mxy 5 hours to repair the very incomplete damage and with Superman's help.

https://m.imgur.com/Q4fF6vc

Originally posted by TheHulkster
g

That's not what that scan states. EJ is less impressive than HoM Wanda. Isn't the LT of X-Men Adventures canon? He holds the cosmic brother's in his palm and those very same cosmic brothers Amalgamate Mxy and Wong.
And if that is taken into account Spectre is a peer to LT and Joker turned him into a parakeet. Originally posted by TheHulkster
Joker is progressively working toward the destruction of a single universe and the destruction of that single universe would also kill him. LT would have eliminated the Marvel U with a jesture and been fine. It takes a fully powered Mxy 5 hours to repair the very incomplete damage and with Superman's help.

https://m.imgur.com/Q4fF6vc


Spectre flat out said that Joker was destroying every universe ever. Mxy repaired all of that.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Joker is progressively working toward the destruction of a single universe and the destruction of that single universe would also kill him. LT would have eliminated the Marvel U with a jesture and been fine. It takes a fully powered Mxy 5 hours to repair the very incomplete damage and with Superman's help.

https://m.imgur.com/Q4fF6vc

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Joker is progressively working toward the destruction of a single universe and the destruction of that single universe would also kill him. LT would have eliminated the Marvel U with a jesture and been fine. It takes a fully powered Mxy 5 hours to repair the very incomplete damage and with Superman's help.

https://m.imgur.com/Q4fF6vc

Lt is far greater than the EJ.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And if that is taken into account Spectre is a peer to LT and Joker turned him into a parakeet.


Spectre flat out said that Joker was destroying every universe ever. Mxy repaired all of that.

Multiversal LT and Spectre are never stated to be peers. Just allies. Spectre is a peer to the LT manifestation whom he locks arms with. We see no comparable Spectre to the Xmen Adventures LT.

Spectre states that what Joker is doing to his single universe will eventually indirectly affect the others disasterously. You know how you often argue about chain reactions? He describes it as pulling on a thread one to many times. As I said, no more than what HoM Wanda is doing.: No damage had yet happened outside of the single universe, thus all Mxy and Superman fix is the early damage to one universe and it takes 5 hours.

LT crushes.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Multiversal LT and Spectre are never stated to be peers. Just allies. Spectre is a peer to the LT manifestation whom he locks arms with. We see no comparable Spectre to the Xmen Adventures LT.


That's what is called having your cake and eat it too.


There was no such thing as multiversal LT. There was only one and he was shown a peer to Spectre in DC vs Marvel and whose alleged sequel Adventures of X men is.



And he nearly did it. Mxy said that the end of everything was happening in Action 770.



Nope, LT gets turned inside out like his peer Spectre.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Multiversal LT and Spectre are never stated to be peers. Just allies. Spectre is a peer to the LT manifestation whom he locks arms with. We see no comparable Spectre to the Xmen Adventures LT.

Spectre states that what Joker is doing to his single universe will eventually indirectly affect the others disasterously. You know how you often argue about chain reactions? He describes it as pulling on a thread one to many times. As I said, no more than what HoM Wanda is doing.: No damage had yet happened outside of the single universe, thus all Mxy and Superman fix is the early damage to one universe and it takes 5 hours.

LT crushes.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Joker is progressively working toward the destruction of a single universe and the destruction of that single universe would also kill him. LT would have eliminated the Marvel U with a jesture and been fine. It takes a fully powered Mxy 5 hours to repair the very incomplete damage and with Superman's help.

https://m.imgur.com/Q4fF6vc

Originally posted by TheHulkster
g

That's not what that scan states. EJ is less impressive than HoM Wanda. Isn't the LT of X-Men Adventures canon? He holds the cosmic brother's in his palm and those very same cosmic brothers Amalgamate Mxy and Wong.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Multiversal LT and Spectre are never stated to be peers. Just allies. Spectre is a peer to the LT manifestation whom he locks arms with. We see no comparable Spectre to the Xmen Adventures LT.

Spectre states that what Joker is doing to his single universe will eventually indirectly affect the others disasterously. You know how you often argue about chain reactions? He describes it as pulling on a thread one to many times. As I said, no more than what HoM Wanda is doing.: No damage had yet happened outside of the single universe, thus all Mxy and Superman fix is the early damage to one universe and it takes 5 hours.

LT crushes.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Lt is far greater than the EJ.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what is called having your cake and eat it too.


There was no such thing as multiversal LT. There was only one and he was shown a peer to Spectre in DC vs Marvel and whose alleged sequel Adventures of X men is.



And he nearly did it. Mxy said that the end of everything was happening in Action 770.



Nope, LT gets turned inside out like his peer Spectre.

The very instance EJ reaches a Universal state and is a threat to the Multiverse The Living tribunal would intercede and Seal his universe therefore preventing EJ from damaging other Universes.

Similar to what he did to Korvac or The Beyonder.

LT stands well above EJ.

And no. LT is above Spectre.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what is called having your cake and eat it too.


There was no such thing as multiversal LT. There was only one and he was shown a peer to Spectre in DC vs Marvel and whose alleged sequel Adventures of X men is.



And he nearly did it. Mxy said that the end of everything was happening in Action 770.



Nope, LT gets turned inside out like his peer Spectre.

Apparently there are two. The one struggling along with Spectre against the two brothers dwarfing them and the one holding the two brothers in his palm. We see one Spectre.

Mxy makes no reference to the multiverse in 770. Superman references a single universe and Mxy references a single backwater dimension.

Joker gets amalgamated with Howard The Duck.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The very instance EJ reaches a Universal state and is a threat to the Multiverse The Living tribunal would intercede and Seal his universe therefore preventing EJ from damaging other Universes.

Similar to what he did to Korvac or The Beyonder.

LT stands well above EJ.

And no. LT is above Spectre.

Exactly

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The very instance EJ reaches a Universal state and is a threat to the Multiverse The Living tribunal would intercede and Seal his universe therefore preventing EJ from damaging other Universes.

Similar to what he did to Korvac or The Beyonder.

LT stands well above EJ.

And no. LT is above Spectre.


After running away from him like against Korvac?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Apparently there are two. The one struggling along with Spectre against the two brothers dwarfing them and the one holding the two brothers in his palm. We see one Spectre.


There was only one. Even after that Adventures of X men showing, the brothers were shown far more powerful than LT in Unlimited Access.

The brothers in that X men series were not the Brothers in DC vs Marvel.

Mxy refers all time and space that includes hypertime as well along with several higher dimensions.

http://i.imgur.com/NevU3MY.jpg



That was with the help of his peer Spectre. Which isn't here.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LktJGoLNWGE/VFYxxjhTi7I/AAAAAAAADVM/s5cCJfDyZk8/s1600/DCvMtoo_1.jpg

LT gets turned into a pig.

The irony of Mr. Master, the king of "Universe means Omniverse because I say so", pulling a "all time and space means just a Universe", should create a black hole feeding on iq points.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How many times did he say Thanos destroyed omniverse in The End despite it being repeatedly stated that it was just a single universe? Universe means Omniverse only when it's convenient, obviously.

durlaugh

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was only one. Even after that Adventures of X men showing, the brothers were shown far more powerful than LT in Unlimited Access.

The brothers in that X men series were not the Brothers in DC vs Marvel.

Mxy refers all time and space that includes hypertime as well along with several higher dimensions.

http://i.imgur.com/NevU3MY.jpg



That was with the help of his peer Spectre. Which isn't here.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LktJGoLNWGE/VFYxxjhTi7I/AAAAAAAADVM/s5cCJfDyZk8/s1600/DCvMtoo_1.jpg

LT gets turned into a pig.

Spectre is a peer to a shard. Mxy is a peer to Impossible Man whom he fights to a stalemate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was only one. Even after that Adventures of X men showing, the brothers were shown far more powerful than LT in Unlimited Access.

The brothers in that X men series were not the Brothers in DC vs Marvel.

Mxy refers all time and space that includes hypertime as well along with several higher dimensions.

http://i.imgur.com/NevU3MY.jpg



That was with the help of his peer Spectre. Which isn't here.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LktJGoLNWGE/VFYxxjhTi7I/AAAAAAAADVM/s5cCJfDyZk8/s1600/DCvMtoo_1.jpg

LT gets turned into a pig.

The living tribunal isnt a being which can be categorized as being proud nor does it have feelings.

The Tribunal doesnt care if he has to run from a universe in order to keep the cosmic balance.

Answering your question maybe. The Tribunal might run.

But in the end he would still win. EJ would lose the moment his Universe gets sealed.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Spectre is a peer to a shard. Mxy is a peer to Impossible Man whom he fights to a stalemate. By his logic Mxy is a peer to the IM.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mxy refers all time and space that includes hypertime as well along with several higher dimensions.

http://i.imgur.com/NevU3MY.jpg Heck, very early in the arc Mxy made it clear that EJ's reality manipulation antics had already enveloped multiple dimensions...

https://i.imgur.com/BCcvdHJ.jpg

*And his hold over reality expanded exponentially from there, to the point where he had the power to collapse ALL universeS across ALL timelineS(as Spectre explicitly stated.)


...People randomly popping in here just to "thumbs-up" glaring misinformation is hilarious, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Heck, very early in the arc Mxy made it clear that EJ's reality manipulation antics had already enveloped multiple dimensions...

https://i.imgur.com/BCcvdHJ.jpg

*And his hold over reality expanded exponentially from there, to the point where he had the power to collapse ALL universeS across ALL timelineS(as Spectre explicitly stated.)


...People randomly popping in here just to "thumbs-up" glaring misinformation is hilarious, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Heck, very early in the arc Mxy made it clear that EJ's reality manipulation antics had already enveloped multiple dimensions...

https://i.imgur.com/BCcvdHJ.jpg

*And his hold over reality expanded exponentially from there, to the point where he had the power to collapse ALL universeS across ALL timelineS(as Spectre explicitly stated.)


...People randomly popping in here just to "thumbs-up" glaring misinformation is hilarious, though.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlQsJxhlKZtEM9y/giphy.gif

it is hilarious. and the idea that that myx is nothing more than a peer to the...impossible man is even funnier.

never change kmc, never change....

Originally posted by Galan007
Heck, very early in the arc Mxy made it clear that EJ's reality manipulation antics had already enveloped multiple dimensions...

https://i.imgur.com/BCcvdHJ.jpg

*And his hold over reality expanded exponentially from there, to the point where he had the power to collapse ALL universeS across ALL timelineS(as Spectre explicitly stated.)


...People randomly popping in here just to "thumbs-up" glaring misinformation is hilarious, though.

The LT wouldnt have allowed that expansion to occur.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Spectre is a peer to a shard. Mxy is a peer to Impossible Man whom he fights to a stalemate.


There was "no" shard LT in DC vs Marvel. Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The living tribunal isnt a being which can be categorized as being proud nor does it have feelings.

The Tribunal doesnt care if he has to run from a universe in order to keep the cosmic balance.

Answering your question maybe. The Tribunal might run.

But in the end he would still win. EJ would lose the moment his Universe gets sealed.
Or Joker turns LT into a pig like he turned his peer Spectre into a parakeet.

Originally posted by abhilegend


There was "no" shard LT in DC vs Marvel.
Or Joker turns LT into a pig like he turned his peer Spectre into a parakeet.

Yeah he could turn the Universal Presence of the LT into a pig!!

But the Multiversal presence of the Tribunal turns EJs univerde into a Jail for EJ. His univerde gets sealed.

LT》》》Spectre.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah he could turn the Universal Presence of the LT into a pig!!

But the Multiversal presence of the Tribunal turns EJs univerde into a Jail for EJ. His univerde gets sealed.

LT》》》Spectre.
Spectre is one throughout the multiverse as well.

LT is on panel peer to Spectre and gets turned into a pig.

Originally posted by Galan007
Heck, very early in the arc Mxy made it clear that EJ's reality manipulation antics had already enveloped multiple dimensions...

https://i.imgur.com/BCcvdHJ.jpg

*And his hold over reality expanded exponentially from there, to the point where he had the power to collapse ALL universeS across ALL timelineS(as Spectre explicitly stated.)


...People randomly popping in here just to "thumbs-up" glaring misinformation is hilarious, though.

He warps one reality. As is common in comics, warping one reality affects all, like one bad apple (HoM Wanda for example). When repairing the damage, Mxy references repairing a single backwater dimension. Genis-Vell contributes at least half the effort to destroy what is stated to be the multiverse. LT greater than Genis>>>EJ/Mxy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre is one throughout the multiverse as well.

LT is on panel peer to Spectre and gets turned into a pig.

There are alternate Mxys. Show where there is a single Spectre.

Originally posted by leonidas
it is hilarious. and the idea that that myx is nothing more than a peer to the...impossible man is even funnier.

never change kmc, never change....

We are using Abhilogic.

Originally posted by Galan007
Heck, very early in the arc Mxy made it clear that EJ's reality manipulation antics had already enveloped multiple dimensions...

https://i.imgur.com/BCcvdHJ.jpg

*And his hold over reality expanded exponentially from there, to the point where he had the power to collapse ALL universeS across ALL timelineS(as Spectre explicitly stated.)


...People randomly popping in here just to "thumbs-up" glaring misinformation is hilarious, though.

Nice.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
We are using Abhilogic.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/150LT/touche/image.jpg

Originally posted by TheHulkster
We are using Abhilogic.

Peer to IM. Funny how the same fans lose their shit over the DC comparisons but are fine with Abhi's piss poor comparisons.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He warps one reality. As is common in comics, warping one reality affects all, like one bad apple (HoM Wanda for example). When repairing the damage, Mxy references repairing a single backwater dimension. Wanda doesnt relate here friend, but the rest of your post relates to what Spectre stated. Spectre said, if Joker keeps warping the single prime universe, eventually all realities will collapse because of it. Spectre used an analogy to clarify his point: basically pulling on a string (single prime universe) until the sweater (all realities) untwine (collapses). That's NOT verbatim, but it was something to that affect. ---- As for the 5 dimension haywire panel: context please, post Full page, Prior page and Following page. I mean when people post a panel or two, Superman can end up defeating Death in a battle, and this "Death" destroys all universes, LOL, both points, absolute bullshit. Thanks. As for my groin luv, my thumbs up was to sting the forum ninny more than anything, since he trolled me in the other active thread I participated in and made me waste my time.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There are alternate Mxys. Show where there is a single Spectre.
There is only one mxy across all medium as per action comics 975.

It was shown in Spectre v4 that there is only one prime Spectre and all others are his aspects.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre is one throughout the multiverse as well.

LT is on panel peer to Spectre and gets turned into a pig.

No LT is over Spectre!

That is a known thing.

EJ loses due to getting sealed in his universe.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No LT is over Spectre!

That is a known thing.

EJ loses due to getting sealed in his universe.
Known by who?

Joker wasn't a universal being, he was a multiversal being and would destroy LT.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is only one mxy across all medium as per action comics 975.

It was shown in Spectre v4 that there is only one prime Spectre and all others are his aspects.

So this is the one and only Mxy who is above LT?

https://m.imgur.com/JDdnIzG

Meh.. That was so dumb. Equally as bad as Anataz bs. PIS poor writing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Known by who?

Joker wasn't a universal being, he was a multiversal being and would destroy LT. Nah, we see his reactions as being inferior to Lt's power. It isn't close. Mxy level power has been exploited or rendered impotent by Annataz with no amps whatsoever. This isn't close.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So this is the one and only Mxy who is above LT?

https://m.imgur.com/JDdnIzG Gog oneshotted him and we see his power is very finite. Did love the Superman killer though. He really crushes Supermen.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Known by who?

Joker wasn't a universal being, he was a multiversal being and would destroy LT.

The Spectre isn't in par with Tribunal. The Tribunal would be in par with Lucifer and Michael.


Even if EJ was. LT can still imprisson him into a Universe.

The Beyonder was Multiversal before being sealed by the LT.

LT takes this one.

As i said before, the LT is omnipotent when casting judgement. EJ would have broken several cosmic balances. LT can therefore judge EJ.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So this is the one and only Mxy who is above LT?

https://m.imgur.com/JDdnIzG
Yes. At least he has his high showings. LT has poor showings only save a few implied showings of power. Otherwise he loses to an alternate Reed Richards and his blast combined with several other cosmics is only solar system level.

https://s26.postimg.org/4a673h7w5/image.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/sf6wl6s6t/image.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/fcba1x1yt/image.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/9pex4fzg5/image.jpg Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Spectre isn't in par with Tribunal. The Tribunal would be in par with Lucifer and Michael.


Even if EJ was. LT can still imprisson him into a Universe.

The Beyonder was Multiversal before being sealed by the LT.

LT takes this one.

As i said before, the LT is omnipotent when casting judgement. EJ would have broken several cosmic balances. LT can therefore judge EJ.
Your parroting same thing again and again doesn't proves anything. LT doesn't has any feats on level of Lucifer or Michael and he has already been shown as a peer to Spectre.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. At least he has his high showings. LT has poor showings only save a few implied showings of power. Otherwise he loses to an alternate Reed Richards and his blast combined with several other cosmics is only solar system level.

https://s26.postimg.org/4a673h7w5/image.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/sf6wl6s6t/image.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/fcba1x1yt/image.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/9pex4fzg5/image.jpg
Your parroting same thing again and again doesn't proves anything. LT doesn't has any feats on level of Lucifer or Michael and he has already been shown as a peer to Spectre.

Are you saying Michael and Lucifer are in par with the Spectre!!!!?


Lol are you sure about that?

Spectre vol 3 10

Spectre lost against Michael here. The only one parroting stuff here is you.

Spectre had a harsh time and needed help to defeat the Anti Monitor!!

Living Tribunal would have easily stop Anti Monitor!!!!

Living Tribunal》》Spectre

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Are you saying Michael and Lucifer are in par with the Spectre!!!!?


Lol are you sure about that?

Spectre vol 3 10

Spectre lost against Michael here. The only one parroting stuff here is you.

Spectre had a harsh time and needed help to defeat the Anti Monitor!!

Living Tribunal would have easily stop Anti Monitor!!!!

Living Tribunal》》Spectre
No, living tribunal is on par with Spectre. Michael and Lucifer are far above both.

How would he do that? He needed help to defeat an alternate Galactus who was dying from a star overloading him and got his ass handed to him by an alternate Reed Richards.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, living tribunal is on par with Spectre. Michael and Lucifer are far above both.

How would he do that? He needed help to defeat an alternate Galactus who was dying from a star overloading him and got his ass handed to him by an alternate Reed Richards.

No. Michael and Lucifer = LT.

Michael and Lucifer represent the cosmic balance of DC
Just like LT represents that of marvel.

Spectre is less than LT.

LT would have defeated Antimonitor.

AM would have erased LT out of existence.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Michael and Lucifer = LT.

Michael and Lucifer represent the cosmic balance of DC
Just like LT represents that of marvel.

Spectre is less than LT.

LT would have defeated Antimonitor.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by Zack M
AM would have erased LT out of existence.

Incorrect.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As for the 5 dimension haywire panel: context please, post Full page, Prior page and Following page. I mean when people post a panel or two, Superman can end up defeating Death in a battle, and this "Death" destroys all universes, LOL, both points, absolute bullshit. I must say: the irony of you crying foul on cropped panels made me chuckle a bit.


But anyway, here are the full pages as requested:
https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/36190409_P00016.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/36190410_P00017.jpg
-MoS #104 (2000)


Will that suffice, or should I post the entire comic as well..?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He warps one reality. As is common in comics, warping one reality affects all Mxy is explicitly referring to EJ affecting the higher dimensions in DC, in addition to the mainstream universe... Which means Joker's influence had already spread beyond the mainstream 3D creation very early in the arc... This is important, because his influence expanded exponentially by the end of the story.


tl;dr
Joker may have only intended to muck with the prime universe, but that doesn't change the fact that he ended up warping/affecting infinitely more... cuz he was an inept n00b, whose energies were inadvertently affecting the whole of DC(higher dimensions and all.)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda doesnt relate here friend, but the rest of your post relates to what Spectre stated. Spectre said, if Joker keeps warping the single prime universe, eventually all realities will collapse because of it. Spectre used an analogy to clarify his point: basically pulling on a string (single prime universe) until the sweater (all realities) untwine (collapses). That's NOT verbatim, but it was something to that affect. ---- As for the 5 dimension haywire panel: context please, post Full page, Prior page and Following page. I mean when people post a panel or two, Superman can end up defeating Death in a battle, and this "Death" destroys all universes, LOL, both points, absolute bullshit. Thanks. As for my groin luv, my thumbs up was to sting the forum ninny more than anything, since he trolled me in the other active thread I participated in and made me waste my time.

Agreed. On the Wanda point, I was showing another example of an effect similar to EJ. Her chaos wave does at the very least the same damage as EJ does and no one will proclaim her as even close to LT. HoM Wanda vs EJ would be a better battle:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1473912-chaos_wave_destroy_creation_01.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1242771-w4qb8.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53388/1433801-uncanny_491_dcp_0031_32.jpg

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Michael and Lucifer = LT.

Michael and Lucifer represent the cosmic balance of DC
Just like LT represents that of marvel.

Spectre is less than LT.

LT would have defeated Antimonitor.
Lucifer and Michael are the power of God. LT isn't on that level.

By which feat would he stop anti Monitor?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Agreed. On the Wanda point, I was showing another example of an effect similar to EJ. Her chaos wave does at the very least the same damage as EJ does and no one will proclaim her as even close to LT. HoM Wanda vs EJ would be a better battle:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1473912-chaos_wave_destroy_creation_01.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1242771-w4qb8.jpg

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Why wouldn't they call her above LT if he has no implications or feats that put her below him?

LT got shitstomped by an alternate Reed Richards and was in fear of an alternate Galactus.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why wouldn't they call her above LT if he has no implications or feats that put her below him?

LT got shitstomped by an alternate Reed Richards and was in fear of an alternate Galactus.

Because they have common sense.

So no comparison between both? Good to know.

I can bring up better feats from DC characters as well who are below mxy . ZH Parallax wiped out entire creation and was creating his own multiverse and Spectre was able to contend with him. Spectre has himself remade entire creation.

Spectre has been beaten by wizards. TOAA has no feats. That's where basic common sense comes in. Nix Uotan Would get crushed by HoM Wanda based on your logic. And then there are those things that you ignore:

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Lucifer and Michael are the power of God. LT isn't on that level.

By which feat would he stop anti Monitor?

Living Tribunal was created to represent the interests and keep order on the creation of TOAA.

Living Tribunal is second to TOAA, just like the M and L are second to the Presence.

LT=Michael and Lucifer.

Originally posted by abhilegend


By which feat would he stop anti Monitor?

The Feats of being the Keeper of Cosmic Balance. The Antimonitor breaking balance gives the LT any means to cast Judgement (He is omnipotent).

He could seal the Antimonitor in a Pocket Dimension, or erase him from existance, or simply force him to return to his duties.

The Living Tribunal stands 2nd to TOAA at a Multiversal Scale.

Just like Michael and Lucifer stand second to the Presence at a Multiversal Scale.

Any being that falls under a Multiversal category WILL BE bellow the Tribunal or Michael&Lucifer. It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Spectre has been beaten by wizards. TOAA has no feats. That's where basic common sense comes in. Nix Uotan Would get crushed by HoM Wanda based on your logic. And then there are those things that you ignore:

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1230902-bro25we9.jpg
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HOM Wanda was also beaten by Dr Strange.

LT does not gets her feats because "common sense".

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Living Tribunal was created to represent the interests and keep order on the creation of TOAA.

Living Tribunal is second to TOAA, just like the M and L are second to the Presence.

LT=Michael and Lucifer.
That's never shown. As of now he is an inner part of Eternity and not second to TOAA. Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Feats of being the Keeper of Cosmic Balance. The Antimonitor breaking balance gives the LT any means to cast Judgement (He is omnipotent).

He could seal the Antimonitor in a Pocket Dimension, or erase him from existance, or simply force him to return to his duties.
That's not a feat. You're just randomly making shit up.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Living Tribunal stands 2nd to TOAA at a Multiversal Scale.

Just like Michael and Lucifer stand second to the Presence at a Multiversal Scale.

Any being that falls under a Multiversal category WILL BE bellow the Tribunal or Michael&Lucifer. It's as simple as that.
Could you show us where that is shown? If LT is second to TOAA only, how did Adam Warlock gain power comparable to him by absorbing the power of a single universe?

TOAA is weak as shit then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
HOM Wanda was also beaten by Dr Strange.

LT does not gets her feats because "common sense".

HoM Wanda is never defeated by Strange nor anyone else.

No one said he gets her feats. He is above her in power.

Originally posted by Zack M
AM would have erased LT out of existence. Nah, Supergirl beat his ass. Lt would snuff AM out of existence.