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Here is a thinker for you. Rabbit hole and door. What is at the bottom of Zion. This is a clue to the third movie. Lets hear some responses.

didn't they go to the engineering room at the bottom of zion??

humm. rabbit hole is from alice and wonderland... the bottom of zion is engineering, or the earth core depending how far down you go... well rabbit hole and door and the bottom of zion is a bit vague, but here we go... alice fell down the rabbit hole and came to a hallway of doors and found a key that lead to a door she could not open untill she shrank down. maybe there is a "rabbit hole" that leads to reality as opposed to alice's hole that lead to wonderland.


or perhaps grape ape (its a goril-il-il-il-il-aaa) comes to the rescue.

The "rabbit hole and door" is not in Zion itself. But in the "mind" of the A.I.

in the third movie they are going to have to go down the rabbit hole to get Ghost and Niobe because the ending of Enter The Matrix is after you drive the Logos down the rabbit whole away from the sentinals, then they hit them with emp and they are stuck at the bottom of the Rabbit Hole.
Actually now that i think about it, they refered to The Rabbit Hole as an uncharted engineering tunnel in Enter The Matrix so it will have something to do with the bottom of zion (engineering room) I am lost about the door, if i think about something then i will right back, ok...

ah ha... maybe thats it. i do remember that from the game.

think deeper

So if the rabbit hole is an uncharted tunnel in engineering, what does it lead to? Could it lead to the source? or some type of power source?

Well you got me.

I don't play video games.

Oh well.

ok i think that i have gfigured out the door part of it.
i still am stickng with all of the same things that i said in the other post i wrote but here we go about the DOOR that i didnt have a clue on.
I think that at the bottom of the Rabbit Hole (Engineering Tunnel) there will be a door, the door of perception-now if you dont no perception the process of using the senses to acquire information about the surrounding environment or situation. In an article about the matrix they used the this sentece, "The Matrix Unlocks The Doors Of Perception" so at the bottom of the uncharted enginnering tunnel (Rabbit Hole) are the answers to something that they need (zion, how to defeat the centinals, the matrix, the one) this could be it or it could not be........
is this right matrix knower?......

perhaps its the machine backdoor, sort of a maintence tunnel. after all they had to setup zion.

It is a logic problem. Your meaning was pretty cool though. Remember what everyone says in the movie and put it together. Some of the smallest actors in the movie, have the biggest parts.

So the rabbit hole is the way to kind of open their eyes to the world around them. Allow them to percieve the matrix and the machine world around them. Kind of like Adam and Eve and the tree of knowledge of Good and evil?

That's the problem with the movie, everybody says so much! lol like that french dude...boring as hell! kinda tru me of. like I said have to go and watch it again and again and again...lol. that's cool.

c'mon people i wanna hear some more ideas for this.

???????????? Is any one gonna put in their thoughts

Well, usually when there is no response, there is no one on or no one cares at the moment.

Other than that, I agree with everyone else.

Maybe it's like...are they sure they can't come to the surfesse(sp?) I mean they destroied the sun yeh but maybe the machines did something to the surfesse(sp?) and now it's liveble! lol my point is leave the rabbit hole!

Anyone see "The Truman Show"? Remember how he had his "reality" created for him, and he believed it. Once he knew it wasn't real, he opened the door and walked out. Also, a couple of other movies that have touched on the subject are "ExistenZ" and "The Thirteenth Floor" - kinda the matrix within the matrix idea. Just some thoughts.

hamman said that nobody went down to thew engineering room unless was a problem. i think like other posts that maybe there is something in that room. and hamman wanted to hint neo. Maybe there is the door that the other ones used to get in and out the matrix. It coul be possible. A secret door that lead neo to the matrix.

hey since the architecht was in the matrix he had to be plugged in somehow. maybe he i ssome where in that tunel plugged in and gaurded by machines. i mean it is an engineering tunnle right?

yes I think

I have a theory.
the architect said to neo that the matrix is an equation, and neo is a mistake, like a number out of place, thus the term ANOMALLY (i dont know how to spell it). and that he had two choices, but the only difference between Neo and the other ANOMALLYS before him, is that he is in love and that this emotion is the only one that can really change the perons judgement. So what im saying is that trinity is the key and neo is the one that must open the door.
Tell me what you think.

They could do it in the game because they have to be found in the 3rd film. So when they are found, the information could be passed to anyone who rescues them, that could lead to another thing and etc.

But they have already done it for major story plot points. They have done it in the Animatrix...and they have definately done it in the game also, there is ALOT of new info in the game

I agree that Trinity makes Neo different from the others but is it enough to destroy the matrix?

matrixknower,are you guessing all this or have you heard a rumour (this isnt a poke, im actually wondering- you sound like you know what your talking about...)

I sent matrixknower an e-mail inquiring how he knew all this, but didn't get a response. I don't think he wants to reveal his source.

Hey Bug( can I call you that?) Missed you! lol I think we scared him

well, in case hes out there, at least hes not claiming the w. brothers gave him the only copies of the 4th and 5th movies (which, in case ppl dont know, dont exist)

you spell it surface

lol yeh. But he only says the obvious! And wont explain after we start debating. All he does is had more questions.

yup. well, where there are ppl in positions of power, i guess they like to stay there.

may what he is saying iss that he thinks he is the ONE! lol

OK, here we go.
i saw the movie for a fouth time today, and i want to clear a few things up.
the oracle said that the path of the one ends at the source.. RIGHT?
And also when a program is deleted, it has to go to the source. could this in any way mean that NEO is partially program. if the ones path ends there then the ones path is not a very good one, he has to pick 6 male 7 female. and if the oracle prophesised that the one would end the war, she is not much of an oracle. what i mean is that if neo's path was to end at the sourse he would have had to chose the door to save zion, instead he chose to save trinity, so this means that his path is not at all finished, and the oracle was wrong!! CREEPY
Also i have decided that i don't believe the multi matrix scenario (stay after the credits of the second film and you wil understand what i mean)
THATS ALL FOR NOW!
ask any question you might have!

I think its 16females..or something like that!
Thats the difference between Neo and the others (The ones).Normally a person would chose the door that leads to the Matrix pick the people and start all over again, but Neo, because he is in love chose Trinity wish means that he Matrix will crash and everybody dies and that the sentinels are going to destroy the rest of humanity by destroing Zion!
What they have to do know is protect Zion.And the Oracle says what they need to here.

oh yeah, u r right 17 female, my mistake.
NO NO, what i meant is that she said that neos patth will end when he reaches the source, but it didn't end. WHY?

Maybe it did. Maybe know is not as important and other charcters are! Ah who knows! lol

He didn't go to the source yet. He "chose" the other door, so his path has not yet ended. I need to see the movie again to analyze the oracle's comments. I can't remember exactly what she said. But I don't think she was wrong.

maybe his path as the official one (who would ultimately decide the fate of the universe) has ended, cos he chose trinity, so now al his choices are made that will affect stuff big time. like, if i was a one and my pah was to know down one dominoe at the end of a row, and i flicked one at the beginning of the row, the jobs done, but the last one hasnt been knocked over yet.
and thats how he is dont being the one, and it looks like the matrix is going o crash, but if he stops the dominoes falling then everyone can be happy

pehaps you are right. but i am stil wondering.

and has ayone seen the preview to the third film after the credits?
it looks as if agent smith has turned everyone in the matrix into himself andd the matrix is slowly crashing and neo has to kill him b4 everyone dies. also i predict neo wiil die, it would be a bummer though.

wierdnissty to the max factor.

()XXXXX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
stab stab
blook spilt
URGH the pain
every thing fades
credits role
people scream BRAVO
and the end has come.

are you quite alright there celsius?

i am fine! or am i ......
no just having some fun.

hehe. great

tell me, does neo have a family (mother, father) cuz it never mentioned them.
Why? i wonder.

could it be that he was concieved by the matrix its self?

well he is an adult so maybe they were just dead. and yeh i'm assuming the matrix concieved him , like everyone else! lol

thats no what i meant.

then what? your saing the matrix created the one? no the one happens because of the glitch.

At one point during Neo's conversation with the architect, the pictures around him were of his life, and it showed him as a child. I don't remember who was with him in those pictures, but I think he probably had "parents" within the matrix. Whether or not those were in any way really related to him (in the pods), I can't say. I have a feeling we'll find out more along that line in the third movie.

FINE YOU'RE RIGHT I'M WRONG, HAPPY?
what i meant is that...... who knows... i can't remeber.

ow, my ears, celsius...

lol Is not who knows its who cares!

Here's some cool info:

Some personal information can be seen on Thomas Anderson's "criminal record" that Agent Smith glances at when he interrogates Neo: - The last update to the file was July 22, 1998 - Neo's date of birth is "March 11, 1962" - Neo's place of birth is "Lower Downtown, Capitol City" - Neo's mother's maiden name is "Michelle McCahey" - Neo's father's name is "John Anderson" - Neo attended "Central West Junior High" and "Owen Paterson High" (named after the film's production designer).

No, no. I'm not trying to prove you're wrong!! Really!! I do have a habit of trying to prove I'm right, though, hmmm, ok, maybe - sorry!!! No hard feelings?!?

maybe niobe and ghost will find a previous zion at the bottom of the rabbit hole.Still not sure about the door tho.