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It's not a sign of respect. It's a deeply sexist practice.

If you want to show respect just ask both parents.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
If you want to show respect just ask both parents. Who gives a shit what she thinks? Dumb slattern.

People still get married?

Yes. Now it is a big thing to Literally Marry your SELF!

The Leftist Agenda is out to destroy everything about Western Culture all in the name of SJW/PC Fascism.

TBH, I feel like asking for it should have gone out with the idea of dowries. If you want to marry someone, ask them. Simple, imo.

its a complex issue. first thing that comes to mind is that people are getting married much later in life, and these traditions are rooted in a time where courtship for marriage really did commonly begin in adolescence.

so yeah, "can i marry your 18 year old daughter?" seems like a reasonable question that a suiter should ask her parents, imo. however if you ever confront a gf's father who insists you ask "may i please marry your 32 year old daugther", not only would that be ridiculous, but i also suggest you just run from the whole situation. fast.

So Cosmo, when a father "gives away" his daughter by walking her down the aisle...is that sexist?

As for asking the dad if you can marry the daughter, eh. If the girl you want to marry gets upset you did that then she is doing you a favor by giving you a sign she isn't marriage material.

On top of that, I have seen it said it is about "respect". Okay, but it seems most of the time it is pointless. Most of the time if the dad says "no you can't marry her" the guy doesn't just go "okay" and cut her out of his life. And yet if it was truly about respect....the guy would respect the wishes of the father if told no.

EDIT: Imagine that wedding night though lol. The groom is about to slip off the brides dress and she whispers "Daddy said this is okay".

I bet Surt has ...."Daddy Issues".

The tradition is from the time when women were chattel, and marriage was a transaction transferring the property of one man to another. So yeah, it is sexist.

If Marriage is "Sexist" Why do Gays fight so hard to get the right?

Originally posted by Surtur


EDIT: Imagine that wedding night though lol. The groom is about to slip off the brides dress and she whispers "Daddy said this is okay".

Seriously, bro. Your sexual fantasies are whacked. Oh lordy, they whacked

Originally posted by Flyattractor
If Marriage is "Sexist" Why do Gays fight so hard to get the right?

Marriage is not sexist. Asking a parent for the hand of their adult child in marriage is sexist. Your reading comprehension is poor.

Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously, bro. Your sexual fantasies are whacked. Oh lordy, they whacked

Stop judging what you don't understand.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Marriage is not sexist. Asking a parent for the hand of their adult child in marriage is sexist. Your reading comprehension is poor.

So the giving away of the bride...?

Wait...wait...

I asked the parents, AND the grandfather (grandmother passed away), and I presented gifts (dowry if you want to call it that). So it's sexist for following tradition of old people? Why? Who cares? So what if your social justice warrior bullshit ideas makes you offended. Fu*k you, of course. I don't care about your feelings. You're not the one marrying into this family, I am. They want the respect of the man who is going to take their daughter away and they want to see if he is going to respect their daughter enough to take care of her. If he puts the effort in to follow the old tradition, he's probably going to try a bit harder in the marriage, too. They want to see what type of person I am going to be so getting their blessing and approval is absolutely necessary if I want to bring our families together.

Contrary to popular social justice warrior belief, almost all men can beat the shit out of almost all women. So it can be scary to give your daughter away to a man you barely know. So they set up these old traditions to help protect their daughter and give themselves a bit more assurance than nothing. Also, name-reputation was on the line and arranged marriages were often between CHILDREN, not an old man and a young woman (I'm thinking of the Elizabethan Period and marriage traditions among royalty and nobles...where these traditions come from).

But what if the parent does not agree? Aren't you glad you asked before you went and caused huge problems? Perhaps you can resolve the concern OR start planning your wedding to not include the in-laws.

Here's the deal: this is subtle sexism. Or, as I like to call it, subversive sexism. This poor little women need your social justice warriors to intervene on their behalves because they are soooo so very weak and dumb and cannot decide for themselves if they want a traditional process with a respectful husband who wants to put in effort to prove he cherishes the love of his life. It's romantic. Some women love it.


Here's a thought!!!!! How about asking the women themselves what they want? Gasp! Who would have thought that a woman could think for herself without a social justice warrior telling her how she should think. Shocking to even entertain the idea that women may think for themselves, I know. (Hint: SJWs just cannot STAND the notion that a woman my chose to be a stay at home mom or desire traditional family values and customs.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait...wait...

I asked the parents, AND the grandfather (grandmother passed away), and I presented gifts (dowry if you want to call it that). So it's sexist for following tradition of old people? Why? Who cares? So what if your social justice warrior bullshit ideas makes you offended. Fu*k you, of course. I don't care about your feelings. You're not the one marrying into this family, I am. They want the respect of the man who is going to take their daughter away and they want to see if he is going to respect their daughter enough to take care of her. If he puts the effort in to follow the old tradition, he's probably going to try a bit harder in the marriage, too. They want to see what type of person I am going to be so getting their blessing and approval is absolutely necessary if I want to bring our families together.

Contrary to popular social justice warrior belief, almost all men can beat the shit out of almost all women. So it can be scary to give your daughter away to a man you barely know. So they set up these old traditions to help protect their daughter and give themselves a bit more assurance than nothing. Also, name-reputation was on the line and arranged marriages were often between CHILDREN, not an old man and a young woman (I'm thinking of the Elizabethan Period and marriage traditions among royalty and nobles...where these traditions come from).

But what if the parent does not agree? Aren't you glad you asked before you went and caused huge problems? Perhaps you can resolve the concern OR start planning your wedding to not include the in-laws.

Here's the deal: this is subtle sexism. Or, as I like to call it, subversive sexism. This poor little women need your social justice warriors to intervene on their behalves because they are soooo so very weak and dumb and cannot decide for themselves if they want a traditional process with a respectful husband who wants to put in effort to prove he cherishes the love of his life. It's romantic. Some women love it.


Here's a thought!!!!! How about asking the women themselves what they want? Gasp! Who would have thought that a woman could think for herself without a social justice warrior telling her how she should think. Shocking to even entertain the idea that women may think for themselves, I know. (Hint: SJWs just cannot STAND the notion that a woman my chose to be a stay at home mom or desire traditional family values and customs.)

So..when did you stop beating your wife?

Who said he ever stopped?

Also in those old traditions the male child was pretty much passed around as chattel to. So there was some sexual equality there.

Originally posted by Talon Fang
Also in those old traditions the male child was pretty much passed around as chattel to. So there was some sexual equality there.

It makes me feel a little bit better that both genders were seen as objects to be passed around. Fair is fair.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait...wait...

I asked the parents, AND the grandfather (grandmother passed away), and I presented gifts (dowry if you want to call it that). So it's sexist for following tradition of old people? Why? Who cares? So what if your social justice warrior bullshit ideas makes you offended. Fu*k you, of course. I don't care about your feelings. You're not the one marrying into this family, I am. They want the respect of the man who is going to take their daughter away and they want to see if he is going to respect their daughter enough to take care of her. If he puts the effort in to follow the old tradition, he's probably going to try a bit harder in the marriage, too. They want to see what type of person I am going to be so getting their blessing and approval is absolutely necessary if I want to bring our families together.

Contrary to popular social justice warrior belief, almost all men can beat the shit out of almost all women. So it can be scary to give your daughter away to a man you barely know. So they set up these old traditions to help protect their daughter and give themselves a bit more assurance than nothing. Also, name-reputation was on the line and arranged marriages were often between CHILDREN, not an old man and a young woman (I'm thinking of the Elizabethan Period and marriage traditions among royalty and nobles...where these traditions come from).

But what if the parent does not agree? Aren't you glad you asked before you went and caused huge problems? Perhaps you can resolve the concern OR start planning your wedding to not include the in-laws.

Here's the deal: this is subtle sexism. Or, as I like to call it, subversive sexism. This poor little women need your social justice warriors to intervene on their behalves because they are soooo so very weak and dumb and cannot decide for themselves if they want a traditional process with a respectful husband who wants to put in effort to prove he cherishes the love of his life. It's romantic. Some women love it.


Here's a thought!!!!! How about asking the women themselves what they want? Gasp! Who would have thought that a woman could think for herself without a social justice warrior telling her how she should think. Shocking to even entertain the idea that women may think for themselves, I know. (Hint: SJWs just cannot STAND the notion that a woman my chose to be a stay at home mom or desire traditional family values and customs.)



All of this.

Of course any woman who CHOOSES traditional values is a traitor to the extreme SJW/Feminist cause.... Because reasons.

I will have you know those "reasons" are very good reasons. They are traitors because they allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the patriarchy into thinking they want traditional values.

Originally posted by Surtur
I will have you know those "reasons" are very good reasons. They are traitors because they allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the patriarchy into thinking they want traditional values.

And I will have you know that you are both overgeneralising AND it implies that the women you are fighting for are idiots who need others to make decisions for them, which makes me question who is worse.

(Lol, fun little exchange :P )

I don't fight for women cuz we're all equal as human beings and it would be sexist if I did.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't fight for women cuz we're all equal as human beings and it would be sexist if I did.

I'll fight, but I fight for the innocent, and those who cannot fight for themselves, for the people who only desire peace. What race or gender those people are is meaningless to that.

After all, I'm pretty sure we all bleed red at the end of the day. And this is true for all people, when we are sad, do we not weep? And when we are happy, do we not smile?

Originally posted by dadudemon
So it's sexist for following tradition of old people?

It is sexist, because it treats women as property. See examples:

Originally posted by dadudemon
They want the respect of the man who is going to take their daughter away and they want to see if he is going to respect their daughter enough to take care of her.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So it can be scary to give your daughter away to a man you barely know. So they set up these old traditions to help protect their daughter and give themselves a bit more assurance than nothing.

Women have agency. They are not property that can be given or taken away. They are not kept. Their families do not need assurances that they will be properly cared for. They are grown-ups and can make their own decisions. They do not need to be infantilized.




Originally posted by dadudemon
You're not the one marrying into this family, I am.

You are not marrying into her family, she is marrying into yours.




Originally posted by dadudemon
If he puts the effort in to follow the old tradition, he's probably going to try a bit harder in the marriage, too.

Tell that to all of the conservatives with "traditional marriages" that have a higher divorce rate than everyone else.




Originally posted by dadudemon
But what if the parent does not agree?

Their approval is neither desired, nor required. They do not have to marry you. It is not up to them.

Is it just me or does Adam seem to be a really unhappy GAY Person?

Oh that I am sure there is NO MISINFORMATION with his "Statistics"!

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'll fight, but I fight for the innocent, and those who cannot fight for themselves, for the people who only desire peace. What race or gender those people are is meaningless to that.

After all, I'm pretty sure we all bleed red at the end of the day. And this is true for all people, when we are sad, do we not weep? And when we are happy, do we not smile?

Sexist pig, I bet you hold open doors for ladies as well.

I also still have to ask if a father giving away the bride at the wedding is sexist?

Just jump to the main point of the issue and just state the obvious. FATHER"S are just Sexist. Period.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You are not marrying into her family, she is marrying into yours.

How is it not both? That they are marrying into each others families? Do not say it is because the woman usually takes the mans last name please. Speaking of that, is that also sexist?

Originally posted by Surtur
I also still have to ask if a father giving away the bride at the wedding is sexist?

Yes. Again, the tradition is from the time that women were chattel. Look at the expression "giver her away." The daughter was the property of the father, and he literally gave her away to another man, her husband.




Originally posted by Surtur
How is it not both? That they are marrying into each others families? Do not say it is because the woman usually takes the mans last name please. Speaking of that, is that also sexist?

Again, the tradition is from the time that women were chattel. The woman takes the surname of her husband, because she is property being transferred from her family of origin to the family of her husband. That is why a woman "marries into" a family, and a man does not.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yes. Again, the tradition is from the time that women were chattel. Look at the expression "giver her away." The daughter was the property of the father, and he literally gave her away to another man, her husband.

Okay, so I have known women that were proud to be given away by their fathers at their wedding. I have to ask: were they just brainwashed by the patriarchy?



Okay so...are you saying that DDM is not marrying into her family because he seems to be a proponent of asking the father, etc? Since you say it is because of tradition that men do not marry into a family, but obviously you seem to find these traditions sexist.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is sexist, because it treats women as property. See examples:

Oh, so your opinion, which is factually incorrect to those who follow that tradition, triumphs what families want to do?

Good.

Thanks for showing your bias.

What you liked to cut out was the reciprocal relationship. Obviously, two married people take care of each other (nice tactful edit of my post to cut that part out, bub) but in the tradition, the man needs to prove more publicly that he will take care of his wife. Why? Lots of things. But lets focus on one:

You know, pregnancy, child birth, children. You know that stuff? The stuff you forgot about? Yeeeeaaah, that stuff. Yeah, you forgot about it, didn't you?

Poor ol' PoE! Forgot about vaginas again.



Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Women have agency. They are not property that can be given or taken away. They are not kept. Their families do not need assurances that they will be properly cared for. They are grown-ups and can make their own decisions. They do not need to be infantilized.

You're wrong. They do need to be taken care of. Have you ever been part of a healthy relationship? It seems like you haven't. The idea that two people take care of each other seems to escape you.

Of course, the notion that men are more likely to commit crimes and criminal violence also escapes you. Also, the fact that women get pregnant and do things like nursing seems to escape you. Yes, passing your daughter off to go live with another man (and who's to say they will move into a home that she paid for or he paid for: it doesn't matter. So go ahead and skip that argument before you try to make it) that you barely know can be scary and there are many unknowns. Trying to come up with a custom that can help, even if just placebo, assuage those concerns is helpful which is why this tradition doesn't die even in countries with horribly shitty "feminists" who are actually sexist wolves pretending to be female advocates.

Also, do you talk to...any heterosexual women who are not extremists? I mean...any at all?





Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You are not marrying into her family, she is marrying into yours.

Oh, really? Guess I better cancel all holidays, birthdays, and celebrations with them. Guess I better stop concerning myself with their well-being. Guess I better stop sending them surprise gifts and holiday gifts through the mail. Guess I better uninvite them to the wedding. Guess I better not attend church with them when I visit. Guess I better not do chores when I stay with them. Guess I better not escort my future mother in law, at night, through shitty neighborhoods when she visits a particular part of town that has known muggers. You know, that stuff, where I make my life part of theirs and theirs part of mine.

Luckily, I have a clueless man on the internet to let me know that a woman is marrying into my family and that I am not marrying into hers. Luckily, you cleared up my confusion where where I thought we married into each other's families. Whew, thank you very much, good sir, for clearing up my ignorance! Boy, am I blessed you're around! Yippeee!!






Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Tell that to all of the conservatives with "traditional marriages" that have a higher divorce rate than everyone else.

Sooooo, you're trying to move the argument to a US "conservatives" vs. "liberals" debate? Nice. This trick probably works on dumber people, for sure. You might even be called clever for trying to do this.

How does that data look for devote religious people? What does it look like for people with similar education and income attainment (apples to apples)? If you want to make this argument, make your argument but make it nuanced: I'll read it and respond.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Their approval is neither desired, nor required. They do not have to marry you. It is not up to them.

Yes, yes, because all women, as you're trying to paint them, do not care what their parents think. They do not want to involve their parents in their life-long commitment to a man. They will make those decisions on their own. These women have no intentions to be part of their parents lives, at all.

Based on that amazing revelation of yours, too, these same women DEFINITELY will not talk to their friends about it, as well. They will not consider their friends' input, as well. Because women don't care about what anyone around them thinks. Most especially their parents! You have women completely figured out.

I should go to you more often for advice on how to interact with women! You're like...an expert! If I had talked with you sooner and gotten your opinions, why...I wouldn't even BE with a woman, right now! I'd be single! Perfect! Just what I wanted: to be single and not madly in love with a woman I deeply care about! Gosh, you're the best!

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so...are you saying that DDM is not marrying into her family because he seems to be a proponent of asking the father, etc? Since you say it is because of tradition that men do not marry into a family, but obviously you seem to find these traditions sexist.

Yes, I'm very curious as well!

I don't even care about the name thing, of course, and we both talked about it: she wants to take my last name because of "tradition" and she thinks it is romantic to have a family like that. She also wants the wedding, father walking her down the aisle, her parents asking my mother if she approves of their daughter, etc. You know, the whole traditional thing where the parents respect each other, the children respect each set of parents, bla bla bla. Stupid stuff. Lame stupid stuff that she wants. But who the **** cares about what she wants! Some people want to think and feel for her. They want to force her to think and feel their way so she can be freer and...think...for herself? Holy shit, even typing out their logic is atrocious. It's super super shitty and sexist, the logic is.

I guess I should not be open minded and pretend she doesn't want it and FORCE her to take my last name like the Lordly Patriarchal Shithead I am, right?

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay, so I have known women that were proud to be given away by their fathers at their wedding. I have to ask: were they just brainwashed by the patriarchy?





Yeah I bet Adam don't have "Father Issues" or anything....

Funny that the first thing my highly liberal 34 year old (at the time) hard core Hillary voting wife asked me to do before we got married was ask her dad for her hand out of respect. Can't wait to show her this article. Lol.

Tho I feel like she would likely point out that (likely) clickbait cosmo opinion pieces aren't really the best source of topics for intellectual discussion.

Of course going to a woman's parents for permission to marry their daughter isn't sexist, and indeed it has nothing to do with the woman. If a man is uncomfortable marrying a woman without the approval of the father and mother, then the daughter rightfully shouldn't get a say. It's up to him whether or not that matters to him and would obstruct his marrying of her. Don't get me wrong, I give literally not a single shit about whether or not a boyfriend or girlfriend's parents approve of my relationship with their child, but there's nothing wrong with a guy who does.

However, if you only ask the father, because only his opinion matters to you? That might be somewhat sexist.

IMO it more or less boils down to an old fashioned way of asking the dad if he approves or not. The guy asking knows the dad does not actually "own" the woman. Some people actually care about the relationship with their other relatives and potential new in-laws. Certainly not me of course lol, but some.

I also would suppose it depends on how involved the father is in her life. For some people what you have is you just tend to see each other on holidays and that is it. Other families are much more involved with each other.

....aka Surt got the Daddy Issues to.. what a shock!?

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay, so I have known women that were proud to be given away by their fathers at their wedding. I have to ask: were they just brainwashed by the patriarchy?

There are women who are proud to be in arranged marriages. There are women who are proud to be in plural marriages. So what?




Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so...are you saying that DDM is not marrying into her family because he seems to be a proponent of asking the father, etc? Since you say it is because of tradition that men do not marry into a family, but obviously you seem to find these traditions sexist.

Is he forsaking his familial name and taking hers?

Why the hell would you ask parents before asking the woman you want to marry?

Essentially what I'm saying is, it's silly as hell to call it sexist because the dads no longer truly see themselves as owning their daughters. Making something out of nothing, but I do feel better now if certain people complain about what gets posted in the "Triggered" thread.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
There are women who are proud to be in arranged marriages. There are women who are proud to be in plural marriages. So what?

You didn't answer my question. Were the women I know who were proud to have this done...just brainwashed by the patriarchy?




I dunno, but I find your choice of wording quite interesting. To me to "forsake" someone or something carries negative connotations with it.

Originally posted by Surtur
You didn't answer my question. Were the women I know who were proud to have this done...just brainwashed by the patriarchy?

I did answer your question, you just do not like the answer. Are women who are proud to be in arranged marriages brainwashed? What about women who are proud to be in plural marriages?

Could it be that people often do not question traditions that are culturally normative? And people whose traditions you would consider unambiguously sexist would reflexively defend those traditions from criticism?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I did answer your question, you just do not like the answer. Are women who are proud to be in arranged marriages brainwashed? What about women who are proud to be in plural marriages?

Could it be that people often do not question traditions that are culturally normative? And people whose traditions you would consider unambiguously sexist would reflexively defend those traditions from criticism?

I wanted a yes or no, not excuses. I wasn't talking about arranged marriages or plural marriages lol. I gave you a specific situation and asked if they are brainwashed.

Are they? Yes or no.

He should repsect his wife by only beating other men's wives.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
....aka Surt got the Daddy Issues to.. what a shock!?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Yeah I bet Adam don't have "Father Issues" or anything....


Dude, you can be such a shithead, at times.

Only "at times" !!??? I must be slipping.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Marriage is not sexist. Asking a parent for the hand of their adult child in marriage is sexist. Your reading comprehension is poor.

Times change.. The intent now is not what it was then.

Nowadays, people aren't literally asking for permission. They're asking for approval, as the parents come part and parcel with the union and you want to start on the right foot.

Of course, kids can do whatever they want once they're of age..

Originally posted by cdtm
Times change.. The intent now is not what it was then.

Nowadays, people aren't literally asking for permission. They're asking for approval, as the parents come part and parcel with the union and you want to start on the right foot.

Of course, kids can do whatever they want once they're of age..

Exactly, this is why I can't figure out how it sexist. It used to be sexist. It still has the potential to be, but no it is not automatically sexist.

I truly believes he feels the women who want it or are proud to have done it were brainwashed. I also get the vibe he thinks the act of a woman taking on the guys last name is also harmful or disrespectful to her own family. Which also seems to me like an old timey-ish type of attitude.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is sexist, because it treats women as property. See examples:





Women have agency. They are not property that can be given or taken away. They are not kept. Their families do not need assurances that they will be properly cared for. They are grown-ups and can make their own decisions. They do not need to be infantilized.






You are not marrying into her family, she is marrying into yours.






Tell that to all of the conservatives with "traditional marriages" that have a higher divorce rate than everyone else.






Their approval is neither desired, nor required. They do not have to marry you. It is not up to them.
Do you even understand the concept of a FAMILY? I suppose not.

Women have rights but this doesn't imply that they aren't social beings. Many seek advice from their parents regarding these matters.

A father invests himself in the brought-up of his girl. He feels that he needs to take care of her. This is his fatherly instinct - biology factor. He is a source of guidance for his girl. He might have a say in her life-reshaping moments.

Sexist my foot.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you even understand the concept of a FAMILY? I suppose not.

Women have rights but this doesn't imply that they aren't social beings. Many seek advice from their parents regarding these matters.

A father invests himself in the brought-up of his girl. He feels that he needs to take care of her. This is his fatherly instinct - biology factor. He is a source of guidance for his girl. He might have a say in her life-reshaping moments.

Sexist my foot.

For a big city Liberal writer from a broken home with both parents cheating on each other openly, I can see how they'd label family norms "oppressive".

Originally posted by Surtur
I wanted a yes or no, not excuses. I wasn't talking about arranged marriages or plural marriages lol. I gave you a specific situation and asked if they are brainwashed.

Are they? Yes or no.

What you want is wholly irrelevant to me. I know you do not like my answer, because it requires you to think, and apply your same reasoning to a relevantly similar scenario, and arrive at your own conclusions. You should try it.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What you want is wholly irrelevant to me. I know you do not like my answer, because it requires you to think, and apply your same reasoning to a relevantly similar scenario, and arrive at your own conclusions. You should try it.

But the situation isn't like an arranged marriage. But okay, you have successfully dodged the question

Before you respond: Nope, that's not up for debate. If you can't give me a yes or no about the specific situation I'm asking you about, that I have asked multiple times, it's a dodge. It's irrelevant if you feel differently.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, so your opinion, which is factually incorrect to those who follow that tradition, triumphs what families want to do?

Good.

Thanks for showing your bias.

What you liked to cut out was the reciprocal relationship. Obviously, two married people take care of each other (nice tactful edit of my post to cut that part out, bub) but in the tradition, the man needs to prove more publicly that he will take care of his wife. Why? Lots of things. But lets focus on one:

You know, pregnancy, child birth, children. You know that stuff? The stuff you forgot about? Yeeeeaaah, that stuff. Yeah, you forgot about it, didn't you?

Poor ol' PoE! Forgot about vaginas again.

I do not care what families do. Some posters did not seem to understand that these traditions could be considered sexist, and I explained why. No more, no less.




Originally posted by dadudemon
You're wrong. They do need to be taken care of. Have you ever been part of a healthy relationship? It seems like you haven't. The idea that two people take care of each other seems to escape you.

Of course, the notion that men are more likely to commit crimes and criminal violence also escapes you. Also, the fact that women get pregnant and do things like nursing seems to escape you. Yes, passing your daughter off to go live with another man (and who's to say they will move into a home that she paid for or he paid for: it doesn't matter. So go ahead and skip that argument before you try to make it) that you barely know can be scary and there are many unknowns. Trying to come up with a custom that can help, even if just placebo, assuage those concerns is helpful which is why this tradition doesn't die even in countries with horribly shitty "feminists" who are actually sexist wolves pretending to be female advocates.

Also, do you talk to...any heterosexual women who are not extremists? I mean...any at all?

Yet, single people somehow manage just fine in the world without someone to care for them. Having a partner to care for you is a great kindness, but it is not a need.




Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, really? Guess I better cancel all holidays, birthdays, and celebrations with them. Guess I better stop concerning myself with their well-being. Guess I better stop sending them surprise gifts and holiday gifts through the mail. Guess I better uninvite them to the wedding. Guess I better not attend church with them when I visit. Guess I better not do chores when I stay with them. Guess I better not escort my future mother in law, at night, through shitty neighborhoods when she visits a particular part of town that has known muggers. You know, that stuff, where I make my life part of theirs and theirs part of mine.

Luckily, I have a clueless man on the internet to let me know that a woman is marrying into my family and that I am not marrying into hers. Luckily, you cleared up my confusion where where I thought we married into each other's families. Whew, thank you very much, good sir, for clearing up my ignorance! Boy, am I blessed you're around! Yippeee!!

Again, I do not care what families do. Some posters did not seem to understand the historical basis of this tradition, and I explained it. No need to get your magic undies in a twist.




Originally posted by dadudemon
Sooooo, you're trying to move the argument to a US "conservatives" vs. "liberals" debate? Nice. This trick probably works on dumber people, for sure. You might even be called clever for trying to do this.

How does that data look for devote religious people? What does it look like for people with similar education and income attainment (apples to apples)? If you want to make this argument, make your argument but make it nuanced: I'll read it and respond.

If you intend to retort with a No True Scotsman fallacy, it is better not to broadcast it.




Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, yes, because all women, as you're trying to paint them, do not care what their parents think. They do not want to involve their parents in their life-long commitment to a man. They will make those decisions on their own. These women have no intentions to be part of their parents lives, at all.

Based on that amazing revelation of yours, too, these same women DEFINITELY will not talk to their friends about it, as well. They will not consider their friends' input, as well. Because women don't care about what anyone around them thinks. Most especially their parents! You have women completely figured out.

I should go to you more often for advice on how to interact with women! You're like...an expert! If I had talked with you sooner and gotten your opinions, why...I wouldn't even BE with a woman, right now! I'd be single! Perfect! Just what I wanted: to be single and not madly in love with a woman I deeply care about! Gosh, you're the best!

I am fairly certain there is nothing in the biblical commandment of one to leave his or her father and mother in order to be joined to his or her spouse that allows for parents to be a party to that relationship. Hence, "leave your father and mother, and be joined to your spouse."

Mormons may do things differently, but marriage is traditionally between a husband and wife; not a husband and wife, and her father, and her mother, et al. Hence, why the approval of the parents of the bride is a great kindness, but it is not required: because the parents of the bride do not have to be married to you, she does; so ultimately, it is her decision alone, not theirs.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What you want is wholly irrelevant to me. I know you do not like my answer, because it requires you to think, and apply your same reasoning to a relevantly similar scenario, and arrive at your own conclusions. You should try it.


Translation: What you "want" is IRRELEVANT.

But what I want IS RELEVANT because... FEE FEE's!

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The tradition is from the time when women were chattel, and marriage was a transaction transferring the property of one man to another. So yeah, it is sexist.

Hey Adam have said before you dont like women hence why you are gay. So your subject matter expertise on this topic is piss poor to straight out factually wrong and bias. Feel free to move on to another one of your pet projects where you get exposed again as a massive fraud.

Originally posted by Sable
Hey Adam have said before you dont like women hence why you are gay. So your subject matter expertise on this topic is piss poor to straight out factually wrong and bias. Feel free to move on to another one of your pet projects where you get exposed again as a massive fraud.

According to you, I am gay, because I do not like women. But you are a sexist at best, and a misogynist at worst, so by your own reasoning, would that not make you even more gay than me?