Ippo vs Kenichi

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cdtm
A Mayweather vs McGregor encounter. Blame Sakaki and Takamura for instigating the thing, and using their proteges to settle a pissing contest.

This is Kenichi just after his fight with Odin, against current Ippo.

Kenichi can only use boxing techniques. That means no precog as well a simple boxing outfit and gear. (Sakaki's orders. "You can beat him on his level easily..." )

Pre match intimidation round: They're encouraged/pressured to psyche each other out. How does Kenichi and Ippo interact?

And then the match. 10 rounds total, Takamura as the ref.

Dreampanther
Depends on where Ippo is on his path (I've only watched the anime, not read the manga), but you're severely limiting Kenichi here so my money will probably be on Ippo. As you saw, a world class boxer will have an advantage in a boxing ring against somebody who does mixed martial arts.

Takeda Ikki would probably be a better match-up for Ippo. He looks like a pretty good outboxer who might give Ippo some trouble.

NemeBro
Kenichi would stomp purely due to his incredible physical advantage. He is considerably stronger, faster, and tougher. He'd lay Takamura out in one punch, let alone Ippo.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kenichi would stomp purely due to his incredible physical advantage. He is considerably stronger, faster, and tougher. He'd lay Takamura out in one punch, let alone Ippo.

Lol. That's exactly what they said about McGregor. laughing

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Lol. That's exactly what they said about McGregor. laughing Now imagine instead of McGregor being a bit more physically formidable than Mayweather, he's stronger than a T-Rex. That's roughly the difference in strength here.

It would be like if the world's best martial artist got into a fist fight with a rhino. All his skill means nothing before the rhino's vastly superior strength, durability, and even speed.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
Now imagine instead of McGregor being a bit more physically formidable than Mayweather, he's stronger than a T-Rex. That's roughly the difference in strength here.

It would be like if the world's best martial artist got into a fist fight with a rhino. All his skill means nothing before the rhino's vastly superior strength, durability, and even speed.

Kenichi isn't noticeably stronger than Ippo. Kenichi also had problems with a boxer who could only use one arm. That was with him using his full arsenal. Now he is banned from using kicks, strikes, holds, grabs, throws, chops... basically everything he's been trained to use.

He'll get beaten just like Mayweather beat McGregor.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Kenichi isn't noticeably stronger than Ippo. There is nothing supporting this assertion. By that point in the series Kenichi had already stopped a boulder that weighed many tons that was rolling down a hill from crushing his father, with his bare hands.

Takeda would also knock Ippo and Takamura out with one punch. Likely even when he could only use one arm.

There's just a massive gulf in power between the two series that Kenichi benefits from. Even Takamura is only very mildly superhuman. He'd have been flattened by that boulder.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
There is nothing supporting this assertion. By that point in the series Kenichi had already stopped a boulder that weighed many tons that was rolling down a hill from crushing his father, with his bare hands.

"This is Kenichi just after his fight with Odin."

I think you might be confusing the manga and the anime, because this never happened in the anime.

Dreampanther
Ah, think I found it: Is this the scene you described?

Yeah, sorry, that's in the manga, not in the anime. In the anime there is no "massive gulf in power" between the two contestants, as you put it. But damn, that's an impressive feat! Maybe I should read the manga some day...



http://i.imgur.com/mLo4Ln7.jpg

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
"This is Kenichi just after his fight with Odin."

I think you might be confusing the manga and the anime, because this never happened in the anime.

At no point in the OP was this stated to be anime-only Kenichi. Kenichi did in fact fight and defeat Odin of Ragnarok in the manga. And in that manga, Kenichi is demonstrably strong enough to hold Ippo down and force his erect penis into Ippo's tight butthole. Or, given the rules in this thread, lay him out with one punch.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
At no point in the OP was this stated to be anime-only Kenichi. Kenichi did in fact fight and defeat Odin of Ragnarok in the manga. And in that manga, Kenichi is demonstrably strong enough to hold Ippo down and force his erect penis into Ippo's tight butthole. Or, given the rules in this thread, lay him out with one punch.

Since this is the Anime Vs thread, only anime Kenichi counts, unless the OP specifically states otherwise. And since the only reason Kenichi won against Odin is that he used techniques banned in boxing your own argument for supporting him is the reason he'll lose.

And if we're talking penis size Kenichi loses before the match even starts. laughing out loud

As for laying an opponent out with one punch - Ippo's got the strongest punch in his class.

Just like the McGregor Vs Mayweather fight, Kenichi will be given a masterclass in boxing, unable to use any of the fighting styles he's been taught, until the ref eventually pities him and stops the fight.

cdtm
*Raises finger* Actually..





I'll also confirm Ippo being a "heavyweight" is a running gag of the series. Takamura and friends were panicking at the thought of Ippo wearing speedo's to the beach and ruining their game. laughing out loud

Dreampanther
Originally posted by cdtm
I'll also confirm Ippo being a "heavyweight" is a running gag of the series. Takamura and friends were panicking at the thought of Ippo wearing speedo's to the beach and ruining their game. laughing out loud

laughing


*Raises finger* Actually..
"This forum is Anime/Manga Versus..."

That's my bad - I never checked the rules properly.

It wont change my stance, but if the stopping a boulder thing happened before Kenichi faced Odin it does give him at least a chance, at least.

However, Ippo has one of the tightest defences in boxing and one of the strongest attacks, while Kenichi will be hampered by his inability to use any of his techniques.

Based on that and how much Kenichi struggled against a one-armed boxer who never even competed for the title, never mind defended it successfully, at best I'll give him a 1/10 chance.

wakkawakkawakka
So how much further after Odin's fight is this taking place? Also it kind of spells out who would have the advantage when Kenichi is handicapped by both which version is used and by which fighting style he has to use.

It doesn't help that Kenichi has survived blows from people far stronger than Ippo by this point w/o loosing consciousness. On top of that he trained with one of his masters, Apachai, who hit him with full force during the earlier stages of their training.

To get a good idea of what Kenichi put up with here's this clip:
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As far as sheer physical ability goes what has Ippo done to show he can repilicate that or on a level that would take out Kenichi?

Yamcha
I think Kenichi takes it, Kenichi characters always seemed a cut above the realistic threshold in my opinion, maybe more akin to characters from Tenjou Tenge. This type of thread does make me curious about Hajime No Ippo characters vs Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru characters though since they seem to function on a "real enough" level like Ippo but just instead of Boxing it's Karate, Mutou vs Takamura would be interesting even in just an argument lol.


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Just talking boxing in general though, I will admit I'm super hyped for the Canelo vs GGG match, man September 16th can't get here soon enough. Golovkin is ****ing insane but damn is Canelo fun to watch.

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The last one gets me every time, that spin lol.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Since this is the Anime Vs thread, only anime Kenichi counts, unless the OP specifically states otherwise. And since the only reason Kenichi won against Odin is that he used techniques banned in boxing your own argument for supporting him is the reason he'll lose.

You're wrong, as has already been detailed by the thread maker himself.



Kenichi can turn Ippo's big cock into a big vagina with a single thrust of his own.



So? That doesn't imply it's nearly as strong as a character's from a different series. Ippo's placement in his own series has no relevance beyond powerscaling, and none of that powerscaling puts him near Kenichi's level. Kenichi is physically more formidable than Takamura, forget Ippo. You could make this Ippo and Takamura vs. Kenichi restricted to boxing rules and Kenichi would not only still win, he'd win with about the same effort.



Why do you keep referencing a real life fight without any relevance towards this one?

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
It wont change my stance, but if the stopping a boulder thing happened before Kenichi faced Odin it does give him at least a chance, at least.

You're delusional and stupid if you can look at a feat that is dozens of times better than any of Takamura's feats, let alone Ippo's, and conclude that it only gives Kenichi a "chance" against Ippo tbh.



Ippo's arms will literally be broken by a single punch from Ippo, and the same punch will proceed to knock him out. He's fighting a legitimately superhuman opponent.



One-armed boxers who haven't even competed for the title in Kenichi are better than two-armed boxers who are world champions in Ippo. You're forcing an equivalency that doesn't exist. To put it another way, the best boxer in the Ippo world is Takamura, per feats and word of god. The best boxer we see in Kenichi is Takeda's master, James Shiba. Yet, despite actually having a less important place in the story (James Shiba is mentioned to be one of a few master class boxers, never necessarily indicated to be the best, and he is certainly not the strongest fighter overall in the series, whereas Takamura is the undisputed best both overall and pound for pound), James Shiba would effortlessly dominate not only Takamura in a boxing match, but the entire cast of Ippo at the same time. The gulf between the two series is that large.

Ippo is a more skilled boxer than Kenichi is, naturally, but he loses out so hilariously in every physical attribute that it doesn't matter.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
You're delusional and stupid...

Ippo's arms will literally be broken by a single punch from Ippo, and the same punch will proceed to knock him out. He's fighting a legitimately superhuman opponent.


Since none of this happened to Takeda, a boxer far from superhuman yet not nearly in Ippo's class, when he was fighting Kenichi one-handed, quite clearly you are the one who is delusional and stupid.

laughing

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Since none of this happened to Takeda, a boxer far from superhuman Based on?

Also, it's telling that you're using one of Kenichi's earliest fights of importance as evidence against him. You're such a brainlet.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
Based on?

Also, it's telling that you're using one of Kenichi's earliest fights of importance as evidence against him. You're such a brainlet.

The fact that he got his arm broken in a street fight shows he's as human and vulnerable as any normal boxer.

And talking about brainless...

Doesn't that boulder feat take place a while AFTER Kenichi faces Odin? In other words - it doesn't count.

laughing out loud

While every feat of Ippo's counts - since it's CURRENT Ippo, you know, the guy who did this to an opponent:

http://i.imgur.com/QNyW7iV.jpg

Dreampanther
BTW, I really don't know when that boulder feat takes place, since I don't read the manga. If it happened before he fought Odin I'll be happy to accept it as a strength feat (even though I saw he got knocked out immediately after that, when his strength gave out and Sakaki had to save the day and a piece of rock hit Kenichi wink )

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
The fact that he got his arm broken in a street fight shows he's as human and vulnerable as any normal boxer.

Not if the people he was fighting weren't human or vulnerable. The setting he's in isn't as realistic as Ippo's, much less real life my tiny-brained friend.



No, it doesn't.

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/112/14

This is the boulder feat.

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/137/5

This is the beginning of the fight with Odin, over twenty chapters later.



Kenichi would have killed that man with a single jab. thumb up

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
BTW, I really don't know when that boulder feat takes place, since I don't read the manga. If it happened before he fought Odin I'll be happy to accept it as a strength feat (even though I saw he got knocked out immediately after that, when his strength gave out and Sakaki had to save the day and a piece of rock hit Kenichi wink ) He was knocked out by a rock nearly the size of his head being sent flying at him from the force of a punch that shattered a boulder, yeah. Ippo would have been crippled or killed my friend.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
Not if the people he was fighting weren't human or vulnerable. The setting he's in isn't as realistic as Ippo's, much less real life my tiny-brained friend.

Kenichi would have killed that man with a single jab. thumb up

Sadly for you, my minuscule-minded mate, they were just ordinary people with no special powers.

laughing

Not only wouldn't have Kenichi been able to with a single jab, since he struggled so much against an amateur boxer, an unseeded rookie with only one arm (and that was while he was allowed to use attacks that won't be allowed in a ring) he would probably get knocked out even before the ref stopped the match out of pity for him, as he did for McGregor, another fighter who thought taking on a professional boxer would be easy.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
He was knocked out by a rock nearly the size of his head being sent flying at him from the force of a punch that shattered a boulder, yeah. Ippo would have been crippled or killed my friend.


That's exactly how hard Ippo hits, my friend.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Dreampanther
That's exactly how hard Ippo hits, my friend. So you're asserting that Ippo hits about as hard as Kenichi's karate master?

Dreampanther
Originally posted by NemeBro
So you're asserting that Ippo hits about as hard as Kenichi's karate master?

As you yourself said, he wasn't hit by Sakaki, he was hit by a piece of rock that flew off when the boulder was smashed.

Kenichi wins all his fights by KOs and has injured a trainer who was holding a body bag by punching too hard. In one fight he faces an opponent with a measured punch strength of over 1900kg (that's more than 4000 pounds). Not only does he take the punch, he then returns a punch that lifts his opponent up in the air, flips him over backwards and sends him tumbling across the floor, out cold. With his LEFT hand.

To put that in perspective:"-- An oft-cited 1985 study of Frank Bruno, who'd go on to be WBC heavyweight champ, showed he could punch with a force of 920 pounds in the lab. Researchers extrapolated that to a real-life blow of 1,420 pounds, enough to accelerate his opponent's head at a rate of 53 g -- that is, 53 times the force of gravity."

https://m.connectsavannah.com/savannah/the-true-force-of-a-boxers-punch/Content?oid=2133328

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