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Fight takes place in Mauls Kingdom

Who wins

Canon only

Savage Force chokes.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Savage Force chokes.

As per Filoni, Maul is a Vader-realm threat as of TCW, so that suggests him and Vader would have a good fight. Also, as we saw in Rebels, Maul was pretty equal with Ahsoka, who performed admirably against Vader, and that was a Maul who at best hadn't changed, perhaps declined a bit.

As we saw, Savage not even yet in his prime, was able to drive Dooku back and disarm him, due to sheer strength. It's reasonable to assume that this isn't just a fluke, as Dooku does indeed find strength problematic in a duel, let alone against a hulk like Savage. I believe if Savage squared off against Dooku purely in a duel, the evidence shows Dooku can't handle parrying Savage's strikes for very long, which leaves him few options for victory - he doesn't have the Force here.

If the fight plays out with the MVPs fighting each other (Maul and Vader), and the lesser two squaring off (Savage and Dooku), I reason that Savage can defeat Dooku by disarming/pummelling him while Maul and Vader go back and forth. Once Maul and Savage team up, however, Vader is in serious trouble.

Of course a lot can happen in a duel, and it may not happen as ideally as that: however, given that Vader detests Dooku, meanwhile Maul and Savage have exhibited fantastic teamwork, that can only be another point in the brother's favour.

Even if it was Vader vs Savage, Maul vs Dooku, the brothers are in with a shot: I don't see Vader stomping Savage, given Savage's impressive performances against most everyone else he fought, and Maul's style of fighting is pretty problematic for Dooku (erratic, hyper-aggressive, strength-based etc), though in that scenario Vader and Dooku surely have the better match up.

Close one, good thread carthage.

pretty good trolling by ils there, he did well at appearing serious

kek

Good effort ILS

I don't see one goddamn counter-argument

Me neither.

Originally posted by ILS
As per Filoni, Maul is a Vader-realm threat as of TCW, so that suggests him and Vader would have a good fight. Also, as we saw in Rebels, Maul was pretty equal with Ahsoka, who performed admirably against Vader, and that was a Maul who at best hadn't changed, perhaps declined a bit.

quote me if this is real

Anyway, Maul is the clear weak link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxOVuOsf444

Given that the above version of Kenobi was a shadow of his ofrmer self and that Dooku kicked ROTS Kenobi, it's fairly obvious Dooku would just blitz Maul here.

Oppress wields impressive Grievous + strength given his avility to drive Dooku back, but this will mena little as Vader has already beat an indisputably more powerful version of Grievous.

One may point to Oppress's supposedly unrivalled force abilities, blasting the likes of Adi Galia, but Vader is 80% of and hence holds "much of the power of" Sidious, a force user who has one-shotted Oppress to the force.

Simply put, Dooku blitzes Maul and Vader one-shots Oppress.

A great fight though.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
quote me if this is real -Dave Filoni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-6Lfkvxkk&feature=youtu.be&t=2m38s

He's saying that Maul and Vader are both adept and broken, not that theyre on the same level.

I'm going to assume the whole "good fight" implication you drew from that quote was part of the trolling.

Also...

Feloni has something to say about that.
Take a gander:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/kbroskywalker/blog/rebels-mauls-growth/131038/

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He's saying that Maul and Vader are both adept and broken, not that theyre on the same level.
not that being in someone's realm is the same as being a peer

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He's saying that Maul and Vader are both adept and broken, not that theyre on the same level. The context of the discussion beforehand is who is worthy to be a RoT Sith, who's got the training and skills, and who doesn't. Filoni explains why Ventress and Savage don't have the chops, then explains Maul does - that he's a super dangerous threat, highly skilled, highly trained, in the same realm as Vader. Idk how you can interpret it as being about something other than power.

Maul is in the Vader realm either way, as per Ahsoka. Filoni just cements it.

Originally posted by ILS
The context of the discussion beforehand is who is worthy to be a RoT Sith, who's got the training and skills, and who doesn't. Filoni explains why Ventress and Savage don't have the chops, then explains Maul does - that he's a super dangerous threat, highly skilled, highly trained, in the same realm as Vader. Idk how you can interpret it as being about something other than power.

It is referring to his combat abilities ILS. Specifically about how he's well-trained and adept which put's him in Vader's realm. That isn't quite the same as Maul and Vader being similarly powerful.
Originally posted by ILS

Maul is in the Vader realm either way, as per Ahsoka. Filoni just cements it.
That's Rebels Maul bro. Someone who Feloni places above his TCW counterpart.

Quote: "is a super dangerous threat" "He's really adept" "So he's kind of in the Vader realm"

Look, it's quite simple to see what Filoni is saying here. Maul is in Vader's realm as far as his threat level, purely because of his training from Sidious, which sets him apart from the likes of Ventress and Savage. He's saying Maul is more comparable to Vader than these rogue Sith acolytes. Clearly Maul and Vader aren't equals, but it's impressive praise nonetheless.

It's unclear to me if Rebels Maul is better or worse than TCW, but it doesn't seem like a seismic gap either way, seeing as they both have a form of evidence to show they can stand up to Vader.

Originally posted by ILS
-Dave Filoni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-6Lfkvxkk&feature=youtu.be&t=2m38s

Originally posted by ILS
Quote: "is a super dangerous threat" "He's really adept" "So he's kind of in the Vader realm"

Look, it's quite simple to see what Filoni is saying here. Maul is in Vader's realm as far as his threat level, purely because of his training from Sidious, which sets him apart from the likes of Ventress and Savage.

Right, so that doesn't imply relativity at all. The realm here can include anyone who's well trained or adept, and who was trained as a full apprentice.
Originally posted by ILS
He's saying Maul is more comparable to Vader than these rogue Sith acolytes. Clearly Maul and Vader aren't equals, but it's impressive praise nonetheless.

If that's the context of the quote, then sure.
Originally posted by ILS
It's unclear to me if Rebels Maul is better or worse than TCW, but it doesn't seem like a seismic gap either way, seeing as they both have a form of evidence to show they can stand up to Vader.
Uh, being kind of in someone's realm isn't the same as being able to stand up to them in a fight. Whether or not there's a seismic gap between Rebels Maul and TCW Maul isn't going to prove TCW Maul can stand up to Vader in the same way we can assume Rebels Maul can via being close to Ahsoka.

On a side note, you might be persuaded by the case I make for Rebels Maul here:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...-growth/131038/

Youre such a retard bro lol, just take the quote for what it means, nobody has to hold your hand through this

Originally posted by ILS
You're such a retard bro lol, just take the quote for what it means, nobody has to hold your hand through this
It means Maul's kind of in Vader's realm.

"Right, so that doesn't imply relativity at all. The realm here can include anyone who's well trained or adept, and who was trained as a full apprentice."

The realm is exclusive to Sith Lords trained by Sidious, e.g Maul and Dooku. The likes of Savage and Ventress are not: they're inferior. They're not comparable to Vader in any way.

Being in Vader's realm of threat-level, skill, etc is a great accolade. Cumthe****on

Originally posted by ILS
"Right, so that doesn't imply relativity at all. The realm here can include anyone who's well trained or adept, and who was trained as a full apprentice."

The realm is exclusive to Sith Lords trained by Sidious, e.g Maul and Dooku.

Unless you're trying to argue anyone who wasn't trained by Sidious isn't in Vader's realm, this is a pointless distinction to be making.
Originally posted by ILS
The likes of Savage and Ventress are not: they're inferior. They're not comparable to Vader in any way.

I said otherwise?
Originally posted by ILS
Being in Vader's realm of threat-level, skill, etc is a great accolade. Cumthe****on
Sure. It still doesn't mean Maul can stand up to Vader as of SOD.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Uh, being kind of in someone's realm isn't the same as being able to stand up to them in a fight. Whether or not there's a seismic gap between Rebels Maul and TCW Maul isn't going to prove TCW Maul can stand up to Vader in the same way we can assume Rebels Maul can via being close to Ahsoka.

https://i.imgur.com/FGjODf8.gif

Seriously Kbro, do yourself a favor and stop typing

Originally posted by slayne


Seriously Kbro, do yourself a favor and stop typing
U right.
Remind me what gives SOD Maul scaling from Rebels Maul again?

Anyway. Here's what the Quote says:

Here's what ILS says


I'm sure you are all smart enough to spot the difference.

Good day dudes, I'd advise against attacking your own eyes

Originally posted by slayne


Seriously Kbro, do yourself a favor and stop typing

pls this.

TCW Maul > Rebels Maul btw

Originally posted by twotter
pls this.

TCW Maul > Rebels Maul btw
Well naturally, saying something makes it true

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well naturally, saying something makes it true

Naturally, saying the opposite of what Kbro believes is probably right on money. Now please stop giving us headaches.

Originally posted by twotter
Naturally, saying the opposite of what Kbro believes is probably right on money. Now please stop giving us headaches.
Ever tried Aspirin?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Ever tried Aspirin?
The amount necessary to counter the migraines your arguments here induce is well beyond a fatal dose, sadly.

Originally posted by slayne
The amount necessary to counter the migraines your arguments here induce is well beyond a fatal dose, sadly.
Rid yourself of this migraine.

Explain to me what you think "kind of being in someone's realm" means.

It depends who Maul attacks. I'm genuinely curious, who would he go for?

Team 2

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Rid yourself of this migraine.

Explain to me what you think "kind of being in someone's realm" means.
Let's look at the definition of "kind of", per Google:

Filoni obviously wasn't referring to him being vaguely in Vader's realm because he quite clearly details what puts him in that realm, and thus, we can safely conclude that:

A: It is, in fact, meaningless filler

and

B: You're reaching, big time.

Originally posted by slayne
Let's look at the definition of "kind of", per Google:

Filoni obviously wasn't referring to him being vaguely in Vader's realm because he quite clearly details what puts him in that realm, and thus, we can safely conclude that:

A: It is, in fact, meaningless filler

and

B: You're reaching, big time.
Yea, saying that it's often used that way doesn't mean it was being used that way in this specific in this instance.

Honestly though, I don't care, because that was so utterly insignificant to my point that kicking up such a fuss over is it is kinda pathetic.