Possible reason liberals believe men are sexist, racist, misogynist pigs

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Sable
I have come to a conclusion on why most high profile people like Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedine, Ashy Judd, Madonna, the women on the View and other high profiles think men are sexist, rapists, misogynist pigs.

The people they marry, work for and surround themselves are just that.

Hillary surrounds herself with people like Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner and Harvey Weinstein and Jeffery Epsiein.

Ashy Judd worked for Harvey Weinstein and he made watch him take showers. And he did this for 30 years

They only people they have to blame for this is themselves. Its not like people just learned Weiner was a pig, and people at Miramar knew Harvey Weistien was a pig, he's been doing this for 30 years.

Digi
Anecdotal.

The movement reacts to it on a societal level because they see it at a societal level. False positives will exist as a result, and become the focal points of criticism toward liberals on these issues. But that doesn't invalidate the totality of the argument.

Also seems a bit of a sweeping generalization regardless of focal point. Dig deep with anyone but the most radicalized feminist and it's clear their issue is with specific practices and people, not with "men" or something equally as broad.

Surtur
Yeah that is weird...why did Ashley Judd keep that quiet for so long? Too busy cleaning her bloody bedsheets?

Also wait, didn't Megyn Kelly heap tons of praise on the guy she later said tried to grope her? The guy from FOX? And she heaped this praise on him after the supposed incident.

Surtur
Originally posted by Digi
Anecdotal.

The movement reacts to it on a societal level because they see it at a societal level. False positives will exist as a result, and become the focal points of criticism toward liberals on these issues. But that doesn't invalidate the totality of the argument.

Also seems a bit of a sweeping generalization regardless of focal point. Dig deep with anyone but the most radicalized feminist and it's clear their issue is with specific practices and people, not with "men" or something equally as broad.

I always laugh when they say feminism is about equality and to help men. That never gets old.

Oh, and some of these women claim we live in a rape culture(We do not).

Sable
Originally posted by Digi
Anecdotal.

The movement reacts to it on a societal level because they see it at a societal level. False positives will exist as a result, and become the focal points of criticism toward liberals on these issues. But that doesn't invalidate the totality of the argument.

Also seems a bit of a sweeping generalization regardless of focal point. Dig deep with anyone but the most radicalized feminist and it's clear their issue is with specific practices and people, not with "men" or something equally as broad.

Nopethumb up

The main high profile people pushing this narrative are the ones who have been directly affected.

Surtur
There is also an issue when a sitting president spews out radical feminist talking points to millions of people, especially when the point is false.

Obama did that, brought up the "1 in 5" stat about sexual assaults. I wish the media fact checked Obama as much as they do Trump. I mean the actual Obama, not SNL skits about Obama(looking at you CNN).

Digi
I dunno. Something like "Rape culture" is shock language that's probably pretty hard to empirically define and prove/disprove. But like, on a more practical level, every one of my female friends either owns mace, won't go walking at night, will asked to be accompanied out of the bar until their Uber arrives, etc. I'll often get antsy in the evenings and will go running (sometimes in the dark). I don't have a concept of what it's like to NOT feel safe doing that. It would be a loss of freedom that - on the whole - would definitely feel...uncomfortable. So I try not to judge too harshly when I can 100% see a difference in everyday life between men and women like that.

It's not a justification for hatred toward a broad group of people, but it's reason enough to try to stay aware of the ways in which gender informs freedoms.

Raisen
Originally posted by Digi
I dunno. Something like "Rape culture" is shock language that's probably pretty hard to empirically define and prove/disprove. But like, on a more practical level, every one of my female friends either owns mace, won't go walking at night, will asked to be accompanied out of the bar until their Uber arrives, etc. I'll often get antsy in the evenings and will go running (sometimes in the dark). I don't have a concept of what it's like to NOT feel safe doing that. It would be a loss of freedom that - on the whole - would definitely feel...uncomfortable. So I try not to judge too harshly when I can 100% see a difference in everyday life between men and women like that.

It's not a justification for hatred toward a broad group of people, but it's reason enough to try to stay aware of the ways in which gender informs freedoms.

it's wise for women to carry some form of protection just because. but there is a false rape epidemic.
people will disagree. i'll post evidence. then people will turn to sarcasm or insults

Robtard
FFS, with these threads

Sable
Originally posted by Digi
I dunno. Something like "Rape culture" is shock language that's probably pretty hard to empirically define and prove/disprove. But like, on a more practical level, every one of my female friends either owns mace, won't go walking at night, will asked to be accompanied out of the bar until their Uber arrives, etc. I'll often get antsy in the evenings and will go running (sometimes in the dark). I don't have a concept of what it's like to NOT feel safe doing that. It would be a loss of freedom that - on the whole - would definitely feel...uncomfortable. So I try not to judge too harshly when I can 100% see a difference in everyday life between men and women like that.

It's not a justification for hatred toward a broad group of people, but it's reason enough to try to stay aware of the ways in which gender informs freedoms.

Digi, you are dancing.

Surtur
Originally posted by Digi
I dunno. Something like "Rape culture" is shock language that's probably pretty hard to empirically define and prove/disprove. But like, on a more practical level, every one of my female friends either owns mace, won't go walking at night, will asked to be accompanied out of the bar until their Uber arrives, etc. I'll often get antsy in the evenings and will go running (sometimes in the dark). I don't have a concept of what it's like to NOT feel safe doing that. It would be a loss of freedom that - on the whole - would definitely feel...uncomfortable. So I try not to judge too harshly when I can 100% see a difference in everyday life between men and women like that.

It's not a justification for hatred toward a broad group of people, but it's reason enough to try to stay aware of the ways in which gender informs freedoms.

Lol well you see, I'm going to judge harshly when people spew lies. Because if you don't they continue to spew them.

Rape still occurs here, there is *zero* need to inflate the numbers.

Originally posted by Sable
Digi, you are dancing.

Also the "shock language" thing falls short to me. Women have lied about rape. Would it then be okay for me to go around to college campuses giving talks about how 90% of the women who report rape are lying? Since hey, it's okay to heavily inflate numbers in order to push an agenda.

Raisen
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Raisen

Digi
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol well you see, I'm going to judge harshly when people spew lies. Because if you don't they continue to spew them.

Rape still occurs here, there is *zero* need to inflate the numbers

Arguing various statistical findings is one thing. It seems like Raisen would like to take you up on that 90% number. But none of my friends have lied to me. It's easy to conflate a radicalized strawman with the entire point. But harder to do so when it's speaking to issues that are important to, for example, a handful of people I'm having drinks with tonight.

Have you felt personally marginalized in your life bc you're a man? Is this a topic that's hitting you at home somehow? Bc it's in some way affected literally every girl I know, including at least one attempted rape victim. They aren't anti-men, and they don't claim rape culture. But they can't f*cking walk at night (and, to be clear, that's a stand-in for other ways it undoubtedly affects them). And that's also not to say men in my life haven't been adversely affected. But it's not a 50/50 divide.

So you seem to be espousing fighting one extreme with another. A less vitriolic, but no less concerned, view of the topic can yield insights that hold up to scrutiny far better than the agenda-driven politics of Washington.

Raisen
Originally posted by Digi
Arguing various statistical findings is one thing. It seems like Raisen would like to take you up on that 90% number. But none of my friends have lied to me. It's easy to conflate a radicalized strawman with the entire point. But harder to do so when it's speaking to issues that are important to, for example, a handful of people I'm having drinks with tonight.

Have you felt personally marginalized in your life bc you're a man? Is this a topic that's hitting you at home somehow? Bc it's in some way affected literally every girl I know, including at least one attempted rape victim. They aren't anti-men, and they don't claim rape culture. But they can't f*cking walk at night (and, to be clear, that's a stand-in for other ways it undoubtedly affects them). And that's also not to say men in my life haven't been adversely affected. But it's not a 50/50 divide.

So you seem to be espousing fighting one extreme with another. A less vitriolic, but no less concerned, view of the topic can yield insights that hold up to scrutiny far better than the agenda-driven politics of Washington.

but these are just your personal feelings bro. not facts. this is what you believe based on your personal experiences.

the facts are the facts digi. you simply write paragraph after paragraph of feelings.

Raisen

Sable
Originally posted by Digi
Arguing various statistical findings is one thing. It seems like Raisen would like to take you up on that 90% number. But none of my friends have lied to me. It's easy to conflate a radicalized strawman with the entire point. But harder to do so when it's speaking to issues that are important to, for example, a handful of people I'm having drinks with tonight.

Have you felt personally marginalized in your life bc you're a man? Is this a topic that's hitting you at home somehow? Bc it's in some way affected literally every girl I know, including at least one attempted rape victim. They aren't anti-men, and they don't claim rape culture. But they can't f*cking walk at night (and, to be clear, that's a stand-in for other ways it undoubtedly affects them). And that's also not to say men in my life haven't been adversely affected. But it's not a 50/50 divide.

So you seem to be espousing fighting one extreme with another. A less vitriolic, but no less concerned, view of the topic can yield insights that hold up to scrutiny far better than the agenda-driven politics of Washington.

Deflecting off topic to avoid the issue.

Digi
Originally posted by Raisen
but these are just your personal feelings bro. not facts. this is what you believe based on your personal experiences.

the facts are the facts digi. you simply write paragraph after paragraph of feelings.

This is a valid response to my posts in this thread, but I'm very much about approaching topics empirically in general. And I wouldn't discount stats in this discussion, though it can occasionally be hard to analyze methodology and source without a deeper dive.

So, stepping back a second because my responses have also been in response to Surt and Sable, not you until now. Some of the %s you cite are far too high to be acceptable. So that's a problem, and one that I'd happily agree can be overstated to draw incorrect conclusions on either side.

But there are also topics where a subjective observation can inform empirical ones. Is it possible that rape stats can be grossly misrepresented due to false allegations, AND we have societal issues with our treatment toward women that make them more fearful and give them less freedom? The two need not be mutually exclusive.

We may not be in much disagreement here, tbh. You just caught my responses before I had addressed your own.

Raisen
Originally posted by Sable
Deflecting off topic to avoid the issue.

I don't think he's trying to deflect. the problem is most people confuse feelings with facts. the facts are right in his face and he chooses to feel instead. this is just a terrible thing for society when fake boogeyman are created and it really just lowers quality of life for people

Sable
Originally posted by Digi
Anecdotal.

The movement reacts to it on a societal level because they see it at a societal level. False positives will exist as a result, and become the focal points of criticism toward liberals on these issues. But that doesn't invalidate the totality of the argument.

Also seems a bit of a sweeping generalization regardless of focal point. Dig deep with anyone but the most radicalized feminist and it's clear their issue is with specific practices and people, not with "men" or something equally as broad.

High profile Liberals see it because of the people they chose to marry and hang around with. Other high profile liberal men.

Raisen
Originally posted by Digi
This is a valid response to my posts in this thread, but I'm very much about approaching topics empirically in general. And I wouldn't discount stats in this discussion, though it can occasionally be hard to analyze methodology and source without a deeper dive.

So, stepping back a second because my responses have also been in response to Surt and Sable, not you until now. Some of the %s you cite are far too high to be acceptable. So that's a problem, and one that I'd happily agree can be overstated to draw incorrect conclusions on either side.

But there are also topics where a subjective observation can inform empirical ones. Is it possible that rape stats can be grossly misrepresented due to false allegations, AND we have societal issues with our treatment toward women that make them more fearful and give them less freedom? The two need not be mutually exclusive.

We may not be in much disagreement here, tbh. You just caught my responses before I had addressed your own.

dude. I quoted a bunch of studies. of course there will be deviation due to sample size and location. BUT THINK, DON'T FEEL. The variance is indicative of a taught culture. that's what makes women FEEL a certain way. but it's not the truth. the truth is in the numbers dude.

Sable
Cause FEE FEE's!

Digi
Originally posted by Raisen
dude. I quoted a bunch of studies. of course there will be deviation due to sample size and location. BUT THINK, DON'T FEEL. The variance is indicative of a taught culture. that's what makes women FEEL a certain way. but it's not the truth. the truth is in the numbers dude.

I'm not sure how this responds to my post. I didn't critique the deviation in the studies, nor have I really tried to refute them. I'd have to learn a lot more before I'd feel confident responding to the numbers, so I take you at your word in the meantime.

Do you disagree with the question I posed in the penultimate paragraph of my last post?

Raisen
the fact is there isn't a rape culture.
false rape allegations are rampant.
systemic racism and sexism is bs.

and the majority of people are angry about a lie.

Robtard
Only skimmed through the thread, but it seems you cats not only proved that there isn't a rape culture, it's actually a culture-of-falsely-accusing-men. Good jeb, guys thumb up

Digi
Originally posted by Raisen
the fact is there isn't a rape culture.
false rape allegations are rampant.
systemic racism and sexism is bs.

and the majority of people are angry about a lie.

Ok. Interesting. I'm not concerned with being right or wrong here, so I actually appreciate the studies, though I'd have to read a lot more to be able to assess them fully. Politically charged topics like this are notorious for having competing studies that refute one another, so I'd have to see if there are refutations, then refutations to those refutations, etc. to move closer to what I'd consider to be an informed opinion. Obviously there are other opinions on this topic, so that type of due diligence is always good.

For practical purposes, I still try to remain respectful of the women in my life whom this affects directly or indirectly. I used the "they can't go walking" line as a case-in-point, but I also know at least two female rape victims, and another attempted rape victim. And I trust them. I can't say the same for any men, nor in a larger sense in the way men are able to go about their lives less concerned with these matters. "Sexism is BS, you're living a lie" isn't a line that works irl when you can point to ways in which it's not true on a daily basis. Even if it's just the fear that's systemic, and the underlying facts don't always support it, that fear still has a tangible negative affect on women. Maybe education is the answer? But for that reason, I can't say it doesn't exist entirely.

Raisen
Originally posted by Robtard
Only skimmed through the thread, but it seems you cats not only proved that there isn't a rape culture, it's actually a culture-of-falsely-accusing-men. Good jeb, guys thumb up

I predicted the sarcasm. but dude, rape is terrible...it really is. but these "wars"...they are just to rile people up to manipulate them. that's really the point man.

I provide evidence. it's right there. so why not discuss it like an adult?

Raisen
Originally posted by Digi
Ok. Interesting. I'm not concerned with being right or wrong here, so I actually appreciate the studies, though I'd have to read a lot more to be able to assess them fully. Politically charged topics like this are notorious for having competing studies that refute one another, so I'd have to see if there are refutations, then refutations to those refutations, etc. to move closer to what I'd consider to be an informed opinion. Obviously there are other opinions on this topic, so that type of due diligence is always good.

For practical purposes, I still try to remain respectful of the women in my life whom this affects directly or indirectly. I used the "they can't go walking" line as a case-in-point, but I also know at least two female rape victims, and another attempted rap victim. And I trust them. "Sexism is BS, you're living a lie" isn't a line that works irl when you can point to ways in which it's not true on a daily basis. Even if it's just the fear that's systemic, and the underlying facts don't always support it, that fear still has a tangible negative affect on women. Maybe education is the answer? But for that reason, I can't say it doesn't exist entirely.

ok. they feel a certain way because of false "rape culture" it's fear that's twisting their outlook on life dude.

Raisen
fear is everywhere

the commies ooh
rape culture ooh
racism ooh
bird flu ooh
weapons of mass destruction ooh

it's a crying shame man. fear and hate constantly being used

Sable
Originally posted by Robtard
Only skimmed through the thread, but it seems you cats not only proved that there isn't a rape culture, it's actually a culture-of-falsely-accusing-men. Good jeb, guys thumb up

That was raisen derailing the thread with nonsense, this wasnt a rape thread.

It was about the high profile people thinking men are a bunch of sexual predators when they literally chose to hang around the people that are.

Raisen
Originally posted by Sable
That was raisen derailing the thread with nonsense, this wasnt a rape thread.

I really didn't mean to do that sable.

Sable
Except you kinda did.

Raisen
yeah. I did without even realizing it.

Sable
So cut it out. I don't come derailing your threads with nonsense.

Raisen
you really got some kind of chip on your shoulder. I can't figure it out tho.

Sable
Cause you derailed the thread with your rape culture nonsense, I have a chip? This had nothing to do with rape. You made another thread you could have done this in.

Raisen
you're different than you were before tho.

Digi
Originally posted by Raisen
so why not discuss it like an adult?

I am. Or at least I think I am. Legitimate topic or not, you spammed some numbers and are expecting total instantaneous agreement, and have not shown the capacity to consider another's perspective. Would you like to give a reasoned answer to my earlier question, or just repeat your narrative again and claim prescience for your earlier prediction that your debating methods made self-fulfilling? I've gone so far as to consider that I might be mistaken on the topic - while admitting that I'd need to learn a lot more before having any certainty. But is it any wonder that there's nothing but exasperated eye-rolls in this and other threads when no one else is interested in learning or talking without needing closure, but feels the need to validate their opinion at every opportunity?

How we should really do these things is present studies and debate on either side, if necessary say what we think on it, but try to find the best and brightest on both sides, and truly understand them. If you can't pretend to be on the opposition, you probably don't understand their points well enough. As it is, I want to take you at your word, because I really do like factual analysis, and prefer it to more subjective arguments. But your approach to the topic - derailing into your specific agenda - is going to leave anyone with an ounce of cognitive independence with considerable skepticism at your rigor and motives.

/srug

Originally posted by Raisen
fear is everywhere

the commies ooh
rape culture ooh
racism ooh
bird flu ooh
weapons of mass destruction ooh

it's a crying shame man. fear and hate constantly being used

Fear is a powerful weapon for the powerful and influential, yes. Equating each of these things with all the others seems overly generalized, though, and we can throw the baby out with the bathwater with the kind of tone you're using here. Not all fears are unfounded. However, I'd be interested in larger discussions about how fear is used to manipulate (knowingly or accidentally) in such situations.

Sable
Digi you are just as much to blame with the Rape thing as Raisen, you Brought it up first to avoid the actual issue. When it wasnt going your way, you brought in this nonsense.

Originally posted by Digi
I dunno. Something like "Rape culture" is shock language that's probably pretty hard to empirically define and prove/disprove. But like, on a more practical level, every one of my female friends either owns mace, won't go walking at night, will asked to be accompanied out of the bar until their Uber arrives, etc. I'll often get antsy in the evenings and will go running (sometimes in the dark). I don't have a concept of what it's like to NOT feel safe doing that. It would be a loss of freedom that - on the whole - would definitely feel...uncomfortable. So I try not to judge too harshly when I can 100% see a difference in everyday life between men and women like that.

It's not a justification for hatred toward a broad group of people, but it's reason enough to try to stay aware of the ways in which gender informs freedoms.

Raisen
Originally posted by Digi
I am. Or at least I think I am. Legitimate topic or not, you spammed some numbers and are expecting total instantaneous agreement, and have not shown the capacity to consider another's perspective. Would you like to give a reasoned answer to my earlier question, or just repeat your narrative again and claim prescience for your earlier prediction that your debating methods made self-fulfilling? I've gone so far as to consider that I might be mistaken on the topic - while admitting that I'd need to learn a lot more before having any certainty. But is it any wonder that there's nothing but exasperated eye-rolls in this and other threads when no one else is interested in learning or talking without needing closure, but feels the need to validate their opinion at every opportunity?

How we should really do these things is present studies and debate on either side, if necessary say what we think on it, but try to find the best and brightest on both sides, and truly understand them. If you can't pretend to be on the opposition, you probably don't understand their points well enough. As it is, I want to take you at your word, but your approach to the topic - derailing into your specific agenda - is going to leave anyone with an ounce of cognitive independence with considerable skepticism at your rigor and motives.

/srug



Fear is a powerful weapon for the powerful and influential, yes. Equating each of these things with all the others seems overly generalized, though, and we can throw the baby out with the bathwater with the kind of tone you're using here. Not all fears are unfounded. However, I'd be interested in larger discussions about how fear is used to manipulate (knowingly or accidentally) in such situations.

perspective is feelings dude. facts are facts.

Digi
Originally posted by Sable
Digi you are just as much to blame with the Rape thing as Raisen, you Brought it up first to avoid the actual issue. When it wasnt going your way, you brought in this nonsense.

No argument. Topics morph, and it's not TOO tangential a jump. But it was a response to rape culture comments. I had no intention of veering the topic that direction when I popped in originally.

I'll leave it be, now. Have a good weekend!

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Originally posted by Digi
Would you like to give a reasoned answer to my earlier question, or just repeat your narrative again...

Originally posted by Raisen
perspective is feelings dude. facts are facts.

lmao

Raisen
Originally posted by Digi
No argument. Topics morph, and it's not TOO tangential a jump. But it was a response to rape culture comments. I had no intention of veering the topic that direction when I popped in originally.

I'll leave it be, now. Have a good weekend!

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lmao

what was your question? you type so much stuff at once I missed it.

Sable
Can we please stop talking about rape. This has nothing to do with the topic.


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Back on topic please

Raisen
Originally posted by Digi
This is a valid response to my posts in this thread, but I'm very much about approaching topics empirically in general. And I wouldn't discount stats in this discussion, though it can occasionally be hard to analyze methodology and source without a deeper dive.

So, stepping back a second because my responses have also been in response to Surt and Sable, not you until now. Some of the %s you cite are far too high to be acceptable. So that's a problem, and one that I'd happily agree can be overstated to draw incorrect conclusions on either side.

But there are also topics where a subjective observation can inform empirical ones. Is it possible that rape stats can be grossly misrepresented due to false allegations, AND we have societal issues with our treatment toward women that make them more fearful and give them less freedom? The two need not be mutually exclusive.

We may not be in much disagreement here, tbh. You just caught my responses before I had addressed your own.

we don't have societal issues with how we treat women by and large. I believe in recent times women generally are treated as do no wrong princesses and men are generally vilified. for the last few decades men are depicted in media as fat retards and women are depicted as wonder women who hold everything together. makes sense considering that women buy most of the stuff so marketing will be friendly to them.
hope that answers your question. I missed this question earlier.

Robtard
Originally posted by Raisen
I predicted the sarcasm. but dude, rape is terrible...it really is. but these "wars"...they are just to rile people up to manipulate them. that's really the point man.

I provide evidence. it's right there. so why not discuss it like an adult?

Don't take it personal, but I can't take the MRA (men's rights activism) stuff and related stuff seriously. Like I can't help but laugh when white hetero males (I know, not you) complain how no one has it harder than them in America. The very 'snowflakery' they often accuse others of.

Similar when people complain that their Christianity is being attacked and repressed, when it's the prominent and undisputed dominant religion in this country and is so powerful it has its own rather massive lobby in our government trying to make laws based on it. Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc, can't say that.

But sure, I could have just ignored it and not responded with sarcasm, so my bad.

Raisen
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't take it personal, but I can't take the MRA (men's rights activism) stuff and related stuff seriously. Like I can't help but laugh when white hetero males (I know, not you) complain how no one has it harder than them in America. The very 'snowflakery' they often accuse others of.

Similar when people complain that their Christianity is being attacked and repressed, when it's the prominent and undisputed dominant religion in this country and is so powerful it has it's own rather massive lobby in own government trying to make laws based on it. Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc, can't say that.

But sure, I could have just ignored it and not responded with sarcasm, so my bad.

mra stuff is silly to me either. doesn't mean there isn't crossover between some of my beliefs and theirs.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Digi
I dunno. Something like "Rape culture" is shock language that's probably pretty hard to empirically define and prove/disprove. But like, on a more practical level, every one of my female friends either owns mace, won't go walking at night, will asked to be accompanied out of the bar until their Uber arrives, etc. I'll often get antsy in the evenings and will go running (sometimes in the dark). I don't have a concept of what it's like to NOT feel safe doing that. It would be a loss of freedom that - on the whole - would definitely feel...uncomfortable. So I try not to judge too harshly when I can 100% see a difference in everyday life between men and women like that.

It's not a justification for hatred toward a broad group of people, but it's reason enough to try to stay aware of the ways in which gender informs freedoms.
But that's not actually something that's exclusive to women. Aren't you a fairly large guy overall? Or at least bigger than average? Well I'm not(I'm bigger than I've ever been and come in at just under 6' and 150 lbs) and can say that feeling exceptionally vulnerable when walking alone at night isn't something that's exclusive to women by any stretch of the imagination.

I think the problem most proponents of the idea of a rape culture seem to have is that they overlook the fact that when dealing with a population of 357 million even if only half of a single percent of the population were sexual predators it would still mean that there were 1,750,000 really nasty guys that women needed to be worried about. A large number of ne'er do wells's isn't reflective of an actual "rape culture" though simply a LARGE culture. Our culture as a whole absolutely abhors rapists which is why so many get angry when the term "rape culture" starts getting thrown around and people start making the accusation that others support such a thing.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't take it personal, but I can't take the MRA (men's rights activism) stuff and related stuff seriously. Like I can't help but laugh when white hetero males (I know, not you) complain how no one has it harder than them in America. The very 'snowflakery' they often accuse others of.

Similar when people complain that their Christianity is being attacked and repressed, when it's the prominent and undisputed dominant religion in this country and is so powerful it has its own rather massive lobby in our government trying to make laws based on it. Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc, can't say that.

But sure, I could have just ignored it and not responded with sarcasm, so my bad.
IMO you're looking at the issue wrong. First of all there are MRA's of all colors, it's not strictly a thing for whites. And the fact is that men have less legal rights then women do. And don't get me wrong because there are a lot of MRA groups that are quite obviously whiney hate groups, I'm just pointing out that in theory the idea that men have it worse then women is absolutely sound within the realm of rights and restrictions granted by the government.

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