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Can anyone provide examples of systemic racism or sexism in the United States? Let's be honest and open-minded. Please refrain from sarcasm and name calling. Let's really talk about the issues

Affirmative action.

Originally posted by Surtur
Affirmative action.

how so?

Originally posted by Raisen
how so?

Is it not a system that can favor a person based on race? A system endorsed by the government.

Originally posted by Surtur
Is it not a system that can favor a person based on race? A system endorsed by the government.

I see. it's a government system that endorses preferential treatment of a certain race.

yes, that would be systemic racism

What's your definition of racism and sexism? That's ultimately the starting point of the argument.

For example, if you think racism is the belief that one race is superior to another, then affirmative action doesn't qualify as racist. If you consider that racism consist in simply separating populations in ethnic groups for any purpose, then many artistic representations would fit the bill.

Gender wage gap.

Originally posted by MythLord
Gender wage gap.

that has been debunked

Originally posted by Raisen
that has been debunked

Unless you work for the Clinton Foundation, then it exists.

Originally posted by Surtur
Affirmative action. .....Is NOT
But I guess denying a person goods or services simply because of their "race" or gender is either perfectly fine with you or you are in total denial that such things has and do happen....

Given the history of our country it's sad you would "go there"

But to the OP....teaching directly and indirectly that only Europeans therefore "whites" have positively impacted western society. I mean to ram down our throats that ancient Egyptians were "white" is just all kind of messed up.

Denying blacks mortgages in the early days of 'suburban" homes. When I get home I will detailed this practice and explain how thousands of black families were denied these low cost opportunities which later turned into "gold mines" for the families that were able to acquire these homes and thereby establish for generations wealth and future prosperity.

The fact that we have to have rules and regulations to "favor specific genders and or "races" should be telling enough.

Affirmative action

The wage gap (in isolated incidences). My school lost a lawsuit because of this and almost went under due to the several million dollar payout.

Originally posted by Surtur
Affirmative action.

Originally posted by Raisen
that has been debunked

Not completely. It still exists in some areas.

Originally posted by MythLord
Not completely. It still exists in some areas.

where?

Originally posted by Raisen
where?
I think he's talking about Serbia, not countries generally talked about like the US or UK

so these people that go around complaining about racism and sexism...what do they think when facts are presented to the contrary? do they just want to live a lie? do they really just want to FEEL bad?

I'm totally going to do this to get into dental school:

http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/

Originally posted by Raisen
so these people that go around complaining about racism and sexism...what do they think when facts are presented to the contrary? do they just want to live a lie? do they really just want to FEEL bad?
They've either been practically brainwashed into thinking this shit and would feel guilty to not agree with it, want to abdicate responsibility for their own failures, fail to draw the distinction between statistical inequity and systemic barriers to success, want an excuse to seek other people's property or opportunities, etc.

Originally posted by Surtur
Affirmative action.

This. Plus things like gender and race quotas and such that you find in some Western nations.

Trumps travel ban

Originally posted by carthage
Trumps travel ban
how is that racist?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think he's talking about Serbia, not countries generally talked about like the US or UK



Additonally, Yale did a study that gave the exact same application and resume to multiple people; the only difference is one was a female named Jennifer and the other a male named John. The people who accepted John asked less questions and offered up to 4000 dollars a year more, of a pay.

Granted, there's also some industries where women are payed more than men and that's also utter bullsh!t. Same job? Same qualifications? Same pay: man or woman.

Originally posted by Surtur
Affirmative action.

Originally posted by Raisen
how is that racist?

If the implication is that it targets muslims, bigotry would be the word to use. Though it doesn't target muslims, if it did every single muslim country would have been banned.

Originally posted by MythLord


Additonally, Yale did a study that gave the exact same application and resume to multiple people; the only difference is one was a female named Jennifer and the other a male named John. The people who accepted John asked less questions and offered up to 4000 dollars a year more, of a pay.

Granted, there's also some industries where women are payed more than men and that's also utter bullsh!t. Same job? Same qualifications? Same pay: man or woman.

I was really just talking about America. the application thing is individual, not systemic

Originally posted by Surtur
If the implication is that it targets muslims, bigotry would be the word to use. Though it doesn't target muslims, if it did every single muslim country would have been banned.


it's about mitigating any possible harm to the people you pledged to serve.

Women porn stars make 3 times as much as males do. A load of bullshit this wage gap thing is.









Note the sarcasm.

Originally posted by Raisen
it's about mitigating any possible harm to the people you pledged to serve.

Edmonton terror suspect had been deported from U.S. in 2011

Originally posted by Kurk
Women porn stars make 3 times as much as males do. A load of bullshit this wage gap thing is.









Note the sarcasm.

Indeed, the places where there are gaps are because of the differences in men and women, but those are behavior differences not "I'm going to pay you less because...vagina". If it was possible to legally do that then 99% of businesses would hire nothing but female employees.

If you want to see something funny watch this two minute video about the wage gap with Kristen Bell, it literally debunks itself lol. These people are bonkers.

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Originally posted by Raisen
how is that racist?

Because Islam is apparently a race and we're just a bunch of Islamophobic kaafirs.

Originally posted by Raisen
it's about mitigating any possible harm to the people you pledged to serve. Foreign based terrorism has killed about one American per year. That's awful, but I don't think that justifies barring millions of people who seek refuge.

And I don't think any of those terror attacks came from refugees anyway. That's why we already have a very strict vetting process.

If it isn't based on discrimination, then it's still based on stupidity, take your pick.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Foreign based terrorism has killed about one American per year. That's awful, but I don't think that justifies barring millions of people who seek refuge.

And I don't think any of those terror attacks came from refugees anyway. That's why we already have a very strict vetting process.

If it isn't based on discrimination, then it's still based on stupidity, take your pick.

How many deaths would be too much? Since look at gun control. There isn't just one death a year from guns, but we have over 300 million people in this country, the percentage of the population that died from firearms(not counting suicides, just homicides)in 2016 is 0.004%.

I'm not trying to make this about gun control, I am talking about just how when it comes to islamic terrorism this country treats it differently than, say, the white supremacists. They act like there is this epidemic of nazis and kkk members in the country. Some in the media also had no problem more or less blaming Vegas on white people. There was also more than one article that was about how a majority of mass shootings are carried out by white men.

It seems like there is a double standard at work. But we both know how people would react if there was an article called "blacks commit the majority of firearm related homicides".

Originally posted by Surtur
How many deaths would be too much?

Honestly it doesn't even matter since not a single dude has died from terror attacks in the nations we've barred in recent times.

Though to address the general question, a very fair one, I'd think a bit more than one when we consider the millions we've refused who could have their lives in danger because they can't come here.
Originally posted by Surtur
Since look at gun control. There isn't just one death a year from guns, but we have over 300 million people in this country, the percentage of the population that died from firearms(not counting suicides, just homicides)in 2016 is 0.004%.

Yea, how about not trying to compare a percentage with a non percentage?

Again, I see no drawback to taking steps that could potentially prevent that small percentage. Unlike say, preventing refugees who need refuge from coming here, what's the drawback to banning semi-automatic weapons or implanting background checks?

Raisen's nation-nation evidence suggests it might not be so effective though I'd think Rob's state-state evidence would be more relevant. regardless, I'm not seeing why we wouldn't try the options I mentioned. Handling the fire-arm related portion of crime doesn't preclude us from handling the other aspects.



You can try to improve the culture while simultaneously placing restrictions on a semi-automatic weapons, or at a minimum background checks.

Instead of making this either-or, how about we holistically approach crime to try and make things better on all fronts?
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not trying to make this about gun control, I am talking about just how when it comes to islamic terrorism this country treats it differently than, say, the white supremacists. They act like there is this epidemic of nazis and kkk members in the country. Some in the media also had no problem more or less blaming Vegas on white people. There was also more than one article that was about how a majority of mass shootings are carried out by white men.

It seems like there is a double standard at work. But we both know how people would react if there was an article called "blacks commit the majority of firearm related homicides".
Yea, barring refugees isn't really going to address islamic terrorism bro. We have a tough vetting process that already does that at least as far as refugees are confirmed, so there's really no reason for Trump's policy.

If you don't mind, I'm going to pass on going into the whole kkk or Nazi business, because that's not all that relevant to the point I'm making.

Which would help out places like Chicago more?

Fewer Guns or More Fathers?