Hit vs Kale (Unleashed)

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cdtm
Kale, who nearly broke the arena, tanked a SSJ Blue Kamehameha, and was only stopped by Jiren, vs Hit.

Who wins?

carver9
It has already been said Hit is the most powerful member on Universe 6.

cdtm
That was before Kale's power became common knowledge.

Kale was freaking out just about everyone.

It says something that Jiren felt the need to act at all, given he was biding his time and conserving his energy.

carver9
No...recent previews states that Hit is the most powerful in Universe 6.

cdtm
Jiren is universe 11...

carver9
Not Jiren, meant Hit.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hit, for sure. After bodying Hit, Jiren notes that all the people worth his attention are gone, implying Hit > Vegeta, Frieza, Kale, etc. Plus feats support it.

Kento
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hit, for sure. After bodying Hit, Jiren notes that all the people worth his attention are gone, implying Hit > Vegeta, Frieza, Kale, etc. Plus feats support it. But on the flip side... Kale was the first one to make Jiren move to do something.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
That doesn't bode well for Kale, given the utter ease with which Jiren dispatched her. With Hit he actually had to try a little. thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
That doesn't bode well for Kale, given the utter ease with which Jiren dispatched her. With Hit he actually had to try a little. thumb up

Yep

Inedian
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hit, for sure. After bodying Hit, Jiren notes that all the people worth his attention are gone, implying Hit > Vegeta, Frieza, Kale, etc. Plus feats support it.

And also implying Toppo > Vegeta, Frieza, Kale... which we know it isn't true. Without Jiren, Toppo and Dyspo are out of the question to take care of them. Jiren will have to fight again.

And actually he didn't notice Hit being worthy fighting him. Jiren even said what is Hit doing, he didn't care about Hit. He was like ''What are you doing here''. Jiren only thought Goku was worthy fighting him.

If Jiren wanted he could do to Hit already in the beginning the same he did to Kale.

Still for now, Hit > Kale.

cdtm
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hit, for sure. After bodying Hit, Jiren notes that all the people worth his attention are gone, implying Hit > Vegeta, Frieza, Kale, etc. Plus feats support it.

Goku's stil on the field, though. He couldn't have implied Goku isn't worth his attention.

Dark-Kenshin
Originally posted by Inedian
And also implying Toppo > Vegeta, Frieza, Kale... which we know it isn't true. Yeah, I don't buy that myself. Plus, Jiren's team is down to three people and U7, by my count, still has the most contestants remaining. There is nothing stopping them from using their brains (albeit unlikely) and coasting for the remainder of the tournament. Jiren is going to sit out you say? Sweet, then we'll sit out as well. Spanks for playing, suckers! It just screams of the writers saying "We don't know what to do with Jiren despite Vermod's order for him to starting mowing down the other teams, so we're just got put him off the side until we're ready for Goku to get back into the action."

Oh yeah, and Hit beats Kale rather comfortably.

carver9
We haven't even seem Toppo true power yet. We seen him powering up at the end of his fight against Goku, so as of right now, it's all a guessing game. He must be extremely powerful if they are prepping him for the next God of destruction.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Inedian
And also implying Toppo > Vegeta, Frieza, Kale... which we know it isn't true. Without Jiren, Toppo and Dyspo are out of the question to take care of them. Jiren will have to fight again.

And actually he didn't notice Hit being worthy fighting him. Jiren even said what is Hit doing, he didn't care about Hit. He was like ''What are you doing here''. Jiren only thought Goku was worthy fighting him.

If Jiren wanted he could do to Hit already in the beginning the same he did to Kale.

Still for now, Hit > Kale.

Uhh, we don't know that isn't true. In the Exhibition match, Toppo was powering up to rival SSJB KK Goku. They were equals. Toppo, Goku, Beerus, and Daishinkan all noted as much. There is no reason to believe Toppo can't handle Vegeta, Frieza, Kale, etc. and to say we "know" he can't handle them is pretty unsupported.

Yes, Jiren did consider Hit being worthy. Literally immediately after knocking off Hit, he said all the fighters (plural) I'm NEEDED for are gone. Hit was worthy.

No, because we already saw Hit tanking blows from a suppressed Jiren. Kale got oneshotted. Jiren could oneshot Hit, but he'd have to power up much more than he did against Kale.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by carver9
We haven't even seem Toppo true power yet. We seen him powering up at the end of his fight against Goku, so as of right now, it's all a guessing game. He must be extremely powerful if they are prepping him for the next God of destruction.

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Also, regarding Toppo, in the manga it's essentially stated that Toppo will be the U11 God of Destruction "any day now."

Inedian
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Uhh, we don't know that isn't true. In the Exhibition match, Toppo was powering up to rival SSJB KK Goku. They were equals. Toppo, Goku, Beerus, and Daishinkan all noted as much. There is no reason to believe Toppo can't handle Vegeta, Frieza, Kale, etc. and to say we "know" he can't handle them is pretty unsupported.

Yes, Jiren did consider Hit being worthy. Literally immediately after knocking off Hit, he said all the fighters (plural) I'm NEEDED for are gone. Hit was worthy.

No, because we already saw Hit tanking blows from a suppressed Jiren. Kale got oneshotted. Jiren could oneshot Hit, but he'd have to power up much more than he did against Kale.

Hit wasn't even on his list. The fight happened because Hit attacked him. Hit didn't do shit, Goku went to the next level. Nope, only Goku was worthy fighting him, which is even easier to see now that the fights are over.

And yes... we are sure that Toppo and Dyspo aren't enough to take care of other fighters.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Inedian
Hit wasn't even on his list. The fight happened because Hit attacked him. Hit didn't do shit, Goku went to the next level. Nope, only Goku was worthy fighting him, which is even easier to see now that the fights are over.

And yes... we are sure that Toppo and Dyspo aren't enough to take care of other fighters.

Nice job not actually responding to my post. Jiren explicitly states that he was needed to take down Hit. Implying Jiren is not needed to take down Vegeta, Frieza, Kale, etc. Toppo can handle them, given his relative parity with SSJB KK Goku.

carver9
Yep. Goku knows Toppo is a rival as well which is the reason he kept trying to fight him during the beginning of the tournament. Toppo is powerful enough to take on any of the Z fighters.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Goku wasn't even running up to Hit before the tournament. Toppo was who he was excited for the most, by far.

Kento
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
That doesn't bode well for Kale, given the utter ease with which Jiren dispatched her. With Hit he actually had to try a little. thumb up Kale was hit with a cheap shot though. Raging hard-on for Goku, and not paying attention to anything. And also losing energy at a rapid rate as she couldn't control it. And Jiren obviously thought enough of her to not think Toppo could stop her.

ares834
Originally posted by Kento
And Jiren obviously thought enough of her to not think Toppo could stop her.

Obviously not based on the most recent episode.

carver9
Hit destroys her.

Kento
Originally posted by ares834
Obviously not based on the most recent episode. She's also not rage mode and won't be again...so

carver9
she is going to rage again, against a depleted Goku

ares834
Originally posted by Kento
She's also not rage mode and won't be again...so

And how would Jiren know that? Hell, she went into a similar form later on after Jiren hit her.

Kento
Originally posted by ares834
And how would Jiren know that? Hell, she went into a similar form later on after Jiren hit her. She isn't, and hasn't when he was beating on Hit? Because later she wasn't raging uncontrolled? Because she's timid and weak and no real threat no matter her power when she isn't berserk mode?

ares834
Two wild leaps of logic there when there is a far simpler answer: Kale isn't on Toppo's level.

Kento
How is Kale being not a threat because she's to timid a wild leap? It's why she had trouble dealing with pride troopers who she then pretty much one shot after tapping into some of the power she has because Caulifla pep talking her. Kale can't exactly control the power she wields. It's like Kid Gohan. A non-threat to radditz until he rages out.

ares834

NewGuy01
Jiren assumed Goku wouldnt be a threat again either.

ares834
Goku is also beaten to shit and out of power. That's not true of Kale.

NewGuy01
Kale's full power only emerges when she goes berserk, which isn't really any more likely than Goku recovering his strength.

ares834

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hit destroys Kale.

carver9
Appears Goku is like Goku Black. The more he fights the more powerful he becomes. I'm liking this new ability about Goku.

Kento
You mean the new ability of saiyans? Cause Caulifla is getting stronger as the fight goes on also.

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