Supernatural Season 13

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Surtur
I figured the new season deserved its own thread. The season began yesterday.

What I've learned so far is: it is a bad idea to try to shoot at the Son of Satan.

Surtur
Lol...the scene where the kid asks Jack if he is high

Random teen: What are you on?
Son of Satan: I'm on a chair, on the floor, on the planet earth.

laughing

Flyattractor
Better be a F13 Episode...

Kento
How in Chuck's name did the kid not die from being stabbed by an angel blade. Not Jack because everyone knew he wouldn't die. Because angel blade can somehow kill a archangel but stops being able to kill Crowley or any big bad in last few seasons.

riv6672
That was a great season opener. Hit all the marks from funny to serious to sad.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Kento
How in Chuck's name did the kid not die from being stabbed by an angel blade. Not Jack because everyone knew he wouldn't die. Because angel blade can somehow kill a archangel but stops being able to kill Crowley or any big bad in last few seasons.

Well, at least the Angels in this episode remembered that they have super strength and other powers. Was nice to see the brothers actually having to get clever and inventive, and not miraculously being capable of punching it out with celestial beings (which has happened on the show before).

Kento
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, at least the Angels in this episode remembered that they have super strength and other powers. Was nice to see the brothers actually having to get clever and inventive, and not miraculously being capable of punching it out with celestial beings (which has happened on the show before). Yea, being able to tank hits from Sam was good.. Finally got something right. Only to forget other things. Dean's being sad over his dead lover though..

marwash22
Originally posted by Surtur
I figured the new season deserved its own thread. it really didn't.

marwash22
Originally posted by Kento
How in Chuck's name did the kid not die from being stabbed by an angel blade. the blade is basically a normal piece of metal if you're not a magical being and the kid got stabbed in a non-vital area.

Surtur
Lol wtf happened to the angels? Used to be powerful and now they apparently have trouble fighting off Sam and Dean.

Remember when punching an angel used to be like punching a piece of metal, to where Dean hurt his hand whenever he tried? Now they can wail on these angels without any real consequence.

Also Jack is capable of ripping open a hole between universes, but bringing Castiel back is beyond him?

Surtur
Why'd they burn Cas? I don't see the point. He wasn't human, he's not going to come back as a spirit.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, at least the Angels in this episode remembered that they have super strength and other powers. Was nice to see the brothers actually having to get clever and inventive, and not miraculously being capable of punching it out with celestial beings (which has happened on the show before).

They didn't remember this though lol. The angel who was cornered by Sam and Dean could have used TK to hurl them away or to take the angel blade away from Sam.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Surtur
They didn't remember this though lol. The angel who was cornered by Sam and Dean could have used TK to hurl them away or to take the angel blade away from Sam.

It looked like the one TK'd the one door off, given the way it just kind of crumpled up and flew off outwards without anyone standing behind it, and the second Angel yanked the cell door off its hinges, before the other one used that irritating high pitched sound to incapacitate Jack. And then they kicked the shit out of Sam before getting surprise BFR'd. Maybe the last Angel was a dunce, because the other two were handling things until Sam made with the blood magic.

Mindset
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol wtf happened to the angels? Used to be powerful and now they apparently have trouble fighting off Sam and Dean.

Remember when punching an angel used to be like punching a piece of metal, to where Dean hurt his hand whenever he tried? Now they can wail on these angels without any real consequence.

Also Jack is capable of ripping open a hole between universes, but bringing Castiel back is beyond him? He probably can bring Cas back, but I doubt he knows how to use his powers.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Maybe the last Angel was a dunce, because the other two were handling things until Sam made with the blood magic.
She didnt quite seem all there, with the whole Becky deal. Like her wires were crossed with the host.

TheVaultDweller
I have to say though, the writers really did give Angels one massive weakness. Kind of unfair when your opponent knows a spell specifically made to teleport you somewhere else. Especially since they can no longer get around as quickly as they used to, before the fall.

riv6672
They gave humans a pretty good weakness too, though. Being human! stick out tongue

TheVaultDweller
Yeah, but you know what I mean. But I guess it is still way better than borax.

riv6672
lol, true! laughing

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It looked like the one TK'd the one door off, given the way it just kind of crumpled up and flew off outwards without anyone standing behind it, and the second Angel yanked the cell door off its hinges, before the other one used that irritating high pitched sound to incapacitate Jack. And then they kicked the shit out of Sam before getting surprise BFR'd. Maybe the last Angel was a dunce, because the other two were handling things until Sam made with the blood magic.

Yeah exactly though lol. They literally use TK in the episode. They use it in a situation it wasn't needed(they could have easily broke the door down) and when they do need it they just kind of stare at you and then try to punch you.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I have to say though, the writers really did give Angels one massive weakness. Kind of unfair when your opponent knows a spell specifically made to teleport you somewhere else. Especially since they can no longer get around as quickly as they used to, before the fall.

To be fair, this only comes into play a lot because the Winchesters use it a lot, and they only learned it because an angel taught it to them. I'm guessing 99.9% of the people an angel encounters will have no clue about the blood magic banishment. I'm not even sure if it's common knowledge among hunters.

It also relies on knowing when angels are going to show up...or on being able to distract them long enough to do it.

TheVaultDweller
I remember back in S5, they claimed a fight between Michael and Lucifer would level most of the planet. Instead, they punch for a bit before Michael makes Lucifer his *****.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I remember back in S5, they claimed a fight between Michael and Lucifer would level most of the planet. Instead, they punch for a bit before Michael makes Lucifer his *****.
I'm okay with things like that.

TheVaultDweller
Well, I wasn't expecting some epic showdown, but at least a bit more than we got. Alternate reality Michael had very little difficulty subduing Lucifer.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, I wasn't expecting some epic showdown, but at least a bit more than we got. Alternate reality Michael had very little difficulty subduing Lucifer.
Fair enough on your first point/havent seen latest ep. on your second.

Back to the first, i chalk it up to status quo. You cant have large chunks of the midwest vaporizing and still keep it a 'world outside your window' show.
Heck, even without major damage like that, dicks like the British MoLs were complaining.
I think alt timelines/realities have shown us enough of what the world would look like in worst case scenarios to verify the type of damage potential the guys are dealing with, without permanently changing things.

Kento
I like when the angels were gearing up to smite Lucifer and he just turns to Mary and is like 'are they really doing this?" before vaporizing them all.

And as for Asmodeus... you have phenomenal cosmic powers, the Winchesters unguarded.. but lets just go send demons they have killed countless of to go after them when I could kill them myself, and quicker before going to get Jack.

riv6672
Noticed Scooby Doo for a hot second on the Winchester's TV. Cant wait for the animated crossover ep.!!!

riv6672
Tonights ep. was pretty good, in s case reflects personal problems way.

Cas' subplot was pretty neat. His Hannibal Lecter voice was nice and creepy.
Now we have to wonder if he came back from The Empty alone....?
Another big bad for the season might be too much fir the guys!

Surtur
Let's just sit here and have a b*tchy little argument in front of Satan's child, it's not like he can hear us and anything can go wrong.

Call him evil and horrible some more Dean, it'll help.

Also [email protected] God and his sister for some reason giving Dean back his mom, but can't give Donnatello back his soul? Shitty. He's God, he could just give him another soul if his previous one just couldn't be salvaged. He only helped save the world, why should he ever experience joy again? Enjoy being dead inside for the rest of your life, chump.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Surtur
Let's just sit here and have a b*tchy little argument in front of Satan's child, it's not like he can hear us and anything can go wrong.

Call him evil and horrible some more Dean, it'll help.

Also [email protected] God and his sister for some reason giving Dean back his mom, but can't give Donnatello back his soul? Shitty. He's God, he could just give him another soul if his previous one just couldn't be salvaged. He only helped save the world, why should he ever experience joy again? Enjoy being dead inside for the rest of your life, chump.

Haven't watched this week's episode yet?

Anyway, I love how Castiel managed to basically come back from the dead via pure spite/stubbornness.

Though, assuming that entity's statement about not even God being able to reach into the emptiness is true, I have to wonder where Castiel went all the previous times he died, as others have brought him back before.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Haven't watched this week's episode yet?

Anyway, I love how Castiel managed to basically come back from the dead via pure spite/stubbornness.

Though, assuming that entity's statement about not even God being able to reach into the emptiness is true, I have to wonder where Castiel went all the previous times he died, as others have brought him back before.
Ah, but all those times, he was just mostly dead.
Mostly dead is slightly alive.
With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do. Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Haven't watched this week's episode yet?

Anyway, I love how Castiel managed to basically come back from the dead via pure spite/stubbornness.

Though, assuming that entity's statement about not even God being able to reach into the emptiness is true, I have to wonder where Castiel went all the previous times he died, as others have brought him back before.

No, did Donny get his soul back?

Kento
Cas' death area make for little sense to me.....God can't reach here. Meanwhile God can bring back any angel he wants. SO is there like 5 Cas' sleeping in there? Is Cas' just a clone of himself?

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, but all those times, he was just mostly dead.
Mostly dead is slightly alive.
With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do. Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

What about the time Lucifer literally disintegrated him (in the same manner he has killed A LOT of angels at this point), and God apparently brought him back? Unless Cas still had a spark of life in a piece of eyeball or something, the current story narrative has a bit of a plot hole there.

And you joke, but I have seen that happen. Except it was not the dead guy's pockets. It was the meat truck he had been driving.

Originally posted by Kento
Cas' death area make for little sense to me.....God can't reach here. Meanwhile God can bring back any angel he wants. SO is there like 5 Cas' sleeping in there? Is Cas' just a clone of himself?

Yeah, he even said he could bring back dead archangels, though they require more time, as they require a lot of juice.

Originally posted by Surtur
No, did Donny get his soul back?

Nope. They didn't even bother to address it again, unless I missed an offhand comment somewhere. No one cares about the guy who looks like Colonel Sanders' cousin.

Kento
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, he even said he could bring back dead archangels, though they require more time, as they require a lot of juice.
It's like the writers don't even try to remember things that happen. Also, wasn't it the creation of the whole universe that got Amara all jealous... So how can something exist outside of something when God and Amara, and Archangels existed before the creation of it also.

riv6672
Just hitting you with a little Princess Bride. stick out tongue
Also, there's no reason for good meat to go to waste!

marwash22
Dean being a cvnt is getting old.


Misha Collins was fantastic in this episode tho.

Surtur
Oh f*ck them for what they did to Missouri. WTF.

Surtur
Originally posted by marwash22
Misha Collins was fantastic in this episode tho.

That weird accent as a cosmic entity was lame though. Was it supposed to be "gay 19th century dandy" ?

Artists interpretation of cosmic cas:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Dandys_1830.jpg

marwash22
the accent is what i liked the most. lol. For me it was up there with Alastair.

to each his own.

Surtur
They just keep adding cosmics, it's like Marvel.

But yeah Dean is obnoxious as f*ck over Jack. Jack who never did anything wrong and helps them out=bad. Benny who murdered innocent people, regrets it and helps Dean=good.

Kento
Originally posted by marwash22
Dean being a cvnt is getting old.

. For sure. It's like they forget he has any other side except kill monsters and be mean to people.

Surtur
Boo hoo Dean's sad over mommy sad

The baby in the adult body is actually somehow more mature lol.

riv6672
Originally posted by marwash22
the accent is what i liked the most. lol. For me it was up there with Alastair.

to each his own.
He reminded me of Hannibal Lecter with a lisp!

Surtur
I like Asmodeus. This is one thing this show has consistently been able to do: establish great characters in a single episode.

Surtur
We know that people become demons because their souls are sent to hell and they are tortured. I think it would be interesting to have the brothers have to deal with a demon of Deans own creation. We know he tortured people for decades in the pit, it would be interesting if one of them escaped. Especially if they made the soul sympathetic, like some guy whose kid was dying of cancer and he sells his soul to cure the kid(as opposed to just some horrible human being going to hell for being evil)

AbnormalButSane
Jesus Christ, this show is still on?

Mindset
Originally posted by AbnormalButSane
Jesus Christ, this show is still on? No, it's not.

riv6672
It isnt?
WTH have i been watching?!?

Mindset
Porn, probably.

Surtur
Damn, those masks that surgeon wore were creepy as f*ck.

TheVaultDweller
I've become way too jaded about those kinds of things. When I saw him wearing that beak mask, my first thought was of how it would potentially obstruct his line of sight if he had to drill something below him.

riv6672
Originally posted by Mindset
Porn, probably.
Nope, not really into porn.
Guess it comes from actually having had sex. whistle

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I've become way too jaded about those kinds of things. When I saw him wearing that beak mask, my first thought was of how it would potentially obstruct his line of sight if he had to drill something below him. actually, i thought that too.
Coolness Vs logistics.

TheVaultDweller
I thought it was a solid episode overall though.

I found Billie/nuDeath's attitude change very interesting, becoming much more in line with the previous Death (irritated tolerance). She stated how she'd been made aware of a far wider picture, and now knew of their importance. So, I'm guessing this is something to do with how Chuck proclaimed the brothers to pretty much be Earth's first line of defense against evil, which is probably an understanding he also had with the previous incarnation of Death.

Also, judging by how she spoke, she seemed to be aware of the whole multiverse, so I'm assuming the same goes for Death's peers/superiors (Chuck and Amara).

Also, now that they got Cas back, hopefully Dean will stop being a miserable jerk. And considering Castiel will likely also be pro-Jack, this hopefully means he will lay off there as well.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I thought it was a solid episode overall though.

I found Billie/nuDeath's attitude change very interesting, becoming much more in line with the previous Death (irritated tolerance). She stated how she'd been made aware of a far wider picture, and now knew of their importance. So, I'm guessing this is something to do with how Chuck proclaimed the brothers to pretty much be Earth's first line of defense against evil, which is probably an understanding he also had with the previous incarnation of Death.

Also, judging by how she spoke, she seemed to be aware of the whole multiverse, so I'm assuming the same goes for Death's peers/superiors (Chuck and Amara).

Also, now that they got Cas back, hopefully Dean will stop being a miserable jerk. And considering Castiel will likely also be pro-Jack, this hopefully means he will lay off there as well.
Good post, i'm with you on your made points. thumb up

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I've become way too jaded about those kinds of things. When I saw him wearing that beak mask, my first thought was of how it would potentially obstruct his line of sight if he had to drill something below him.

I just thought about it from the patients point of view. Being experimented on by a guy with that mask would just add to the nightmare fuel.

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I thought it was a solid episode overall though.

I found Billie/nuDeath's attitude change very interesting, becoming much more in line with the previous Death (irritated tolerance). She stated how she'd been made aware of a far wider picture, and now knew of their importance. So, I'm guessing this is something to do with how Chuck proclaimed the brothers to pretty much be Earth's first line of defense against evil, which is probably an understanding he also had with the previous incarnation of Death.

Also, judging by how she spoke, she seemed to be aware of the whole multiverse, so I'm assuming the same goes for Death's peers/superiors (Chuck and Amara).

Also, now that they got Cas back, hopefully Dean will stop being a miserable jerk. And considering Castiel will likely also be pro-Jack, this hopefully means he will lay off there as well.

This is true, but I admit I read a slight spoiler before the episode. I found out Dean meets Death. I had hoped it would be the Death we've always had because I like the character. Nothing against Billy, but that other guy even just looked like you might imagine Death would look in human form. Sam and Dean also being necessary to the universe was somewhat funny because in the end they only succeed due to plot device or other supernatural beings helping them.

I'm also thinking now that the place Cas ended up is the place Billy originally intended to put Sam and Dean once they died. And possibly also the place Death planned to store Dean when he had the mark.

I was somewhat glad Jack wasn't in this episode, even though I do want to see more of him. But we more or less know how it will go, it will be the same as when Sam had an angel in him. The brothers will be nearly defeated and the Gadriel would pop out and help save the day. We're gonna have Jack most likely doing the same.

In the other episode seeing a different version of Michael made me think of Adam again. I wonder if they are ever going to get him out. Though he'd pretty much die instantly from the experience. Sam only spent a fraction of the time Adam has in the cage and it required divine intervention to help him. But I'm guessing he would go to heaven and it is better than eternal torment.

Speaking of heaven I wonder if Bobby is still in heavens prison. He got a raw deal.

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