Supernatural Season 13

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Surtur
I figured the new season deserved its own thread. The season began yesterday.

What I've learned so far is: it is a bad idea to try to shoot at the Son of Satan.

Surtur
Lol...the scene where the kid asks Jack if he is high

Random teen: What are you on?
Son of Satan: I'm on a chair, on the floor, on the planet earth.

laughing

Flyattractor
Better be a F13 Episode...

Kento
How in Chuck's name did the kid not die from being stabbed by an angel blade. Not Jack because everyone knew he wouldn't die. Because angel blade can somehow kill a archangel but stops being able to kill Crowley or any big bad in last few seasons.

riv6672
That was a great season opener. Hit all the marks from funny to serious to sad.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Kento
How in Chuck's name did the kid not die from being stabbed by an angel blade. Not Jack because everyone knew he wouldn't die. Because angel blade can somehow kill a archangel but stops being able to kill Crowley or any big bad in last few seasons.

Well, at least the Angels in this episode remembered that they have super strength and other powers. Was nice to see the brothers actually having to get clever and inventive, and not miraculously being capable of punching it out with celestial beings (which has happened on the show before).

Kento
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, at least the Angels in this episode remembered that they have super strength and other powers. Was nice to see the brothers actually having to get clever and inventive, and not miraculously being capable of punching it out with celestial beings (which has happened on the show before). Yea, being able to tank hits from Sam was good.. Finally got something right. Only to forget other things. Dean's being sad over his dead lover though..

marwash22
Originally posted by Surtur
I figured the new season deserved its own thread. it really didn't.

marwash22
Originally posted by Kento
How in Chuck's name did the kid not die from being stabbed by an angel blade. the blade is basically a normal piece of metal if you're not a magical being and the kid got stabbed in a non-vital area.

Surtur
Lol wtf happened to the angels? Used to be powerful and now they apparently have trouble fighting off Sam and Dean.

Remember when punching an angel used to be like punching a piece of metal, to where Dean hurt his hand whenever he tried? Now they can wail on these angels without any real consequence.

Also Jack is capable of ripping open a hole between universes, but bringing Castiel back is beyond him?

Surtur
Why'd they burn Cas? I don't see the point. He wasn't human, he's not going to come back as a spirit.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, at least the Angels in this episode remembered that they have super strength and other powers. Was nice to see the brothers actually having to get clever and inventive, and not miraculously being capable of punching it out with celestial beings (which has happened on the show before).

They didn't remember this though lol. The angel who was cornered by Sam and Dean could have used TK to hurl them away or to take the angel blade away from Sam.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Surtur
They didn't remember this though lol. The angel who was cornered by Sam and Dean could have used TK to hurl them away or to take the angel blade away from Sam.

It looked like the one TK'd the one door off, given the way it just kind of crumpled up and flew off outwards without anyone standing behind it, and the second Angel yanked the cell door off its hinges, before the other one used that irritating high pitched sound to incapacitate Jack. And then they kicked the shit out of Sam before getting surprise BFR'd. Maybe the last Angel was a dunce, because the other two were handling things until Sam made with the blood magic.

Mindset
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol wtf happened to the angels? Used to be powerful and now they apparently have trouble fighting off Sam and Dean.

Remember when punching an angel used to be like punching a piece of metal, to where Dean hurt his hand whenever he tried? Now they can wail on these angels without any real consequence.

Also Jack is capable of ripping open a hole between universes, but bringing Castiel back is beyond him? He probably can bring Cas back, but I doubt he knows how to use his powers.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Maybe the last Angel was a dunce, because the other two were handling things until Sam made with the blood magic.
She didnt quite seem all there, with the whole Becky deal. Like her wires were crossed with the host.

TheVaultDweller
I have to say though, the writers really did give Angels one massive weakness. Kind of unfair when your opponent knows a spell specifically made to teleport you somewhere else. Especially since they can no longer get around as quickly as they used to, before the fall.

riv6672
They gave humans a pretty good weakness too, though. Being human! stick out tongue

TheVaultDweller
Yeah, but you know what I mean. But I guess it is still way better than borax.

riv6672
lol, true! laughing

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It looked like the one TK'd the one door off, given the way it just kind of crumpled up and flew off outwards without anyone standing behind it, and the second Angel yanked the cell door off its hinges, before the other one used that irritating high pitched sound to incapacitate Jack. And then they kicked the shit out of Sam before getting surprise BFR'd. Maybe the last Angel was a dunce, because the other two were handling things until Sam made with the blood magic.

Yeah exactly though lol. They literally use TK in the episode. They use it in a situation it wasn't needed(they could have easily broke the door down) and when they do need it they just kind of stare at you and then try to punch you.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I have to say though, the writers really did give Angels one massive weakness. Kind of unfair when your opponent knows a spell specifically made to teleport you somewhere else. Especially since they can no longer get around as quickly as they used to, before the fall.

To be fair, this only comes into play a lot because the Winchesters use it a lot, and they only learned it because an angel taught it to them. I'm guessing 99.9% of the people an angel encounters will have no clue about the blood magic banishment. I'm not even sure if it's common knowledge among hunters.

It also relies on knowing when angels are going to show up...or on being able to distract them long enough to do it.

TheVaultDweller
I remember back in S5, they claimed a fight between Michael and Lucifer would level most of the planet. Instead, they punch for a bit before Michael makes Lucifer his *****.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I remember back in S5, they claimed a fight between Michael and Lucifer would level most of the planet. Instead, they punch for a bit before Michael makes Lucifer his *****.
I'm okay with things like that.

TheVaultDweller
Well, I wasn't expecting some epic showdown, but at least a bit more than we got. Alternate reality Michael had very little difficulty subduing Lucifer.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, I wasn't expecting some epic showdown, but at least a bit more than we got. Alternate reality Michael had very little difficulty subduing Lucifer.
Fair enough on your first point/havent seen latest ep. on your second.

Back to the first, i chalk it up to status quo. You cant have large chunks of the midwest vaporizing and still keep it a 'world outside your window' show.
Heck, even without major damage like that, dicks like the British MoLs were complaining.
I think alt timelines/realities have shown us enough of what the world would look like in worst case scenarios to verify the type of damage potential the guys are dealing with, without permanently changing things.

Kento
I like when the angels were gearing up to smite Lucifer and he just turns to Mary and is like 'are they really doing this?" before vaporizing them all.

And as for Asmodeus... you have phenomenal cosmic powers, the Winchesters unguarded.. but lets just go send demons they have killed countless of to go after them when I could kill them myself, and quicker before going to get Jack.

riv6672
Noticed Scooby Doo for a hot second on the Winchester's TV. Cant wait for the animated crossover ep.!!!

riv6672
Tonights ep. was pretty good, in s case reflects personal problems way.

Cas' subplot was pretty neat. His Hannibal Lecter voice was nice and creepy.
Now we have to wonder if he came back from The Empty alone....?
Another big bad for the season might be too much fir the guys!

Surtur
Let's just sit here and have a b*tchy little argument in front of Satan's child, it's not like he can hear us and anything can go wrong.

Call him evil and horrible some more Dean, it'll help.

Also [email protected] God and his sister for some reason giving Dean back his mom, but can't give Donnatello back his soul? Shitty. He's God, he could just give him another soul if his previous one just couldn't be salvaged. He only helped save the world, why should he ever experience joy again? Enjoy being dead inside for the rest of your life, chump.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Surtur
Let's just sit here and have a b*tchy little argument in front of Satan's child, it's not like he can hear us and anything can go wrong.

Call him evil and horrible some more Dean, it'll help.

Also [email protected] God and his sister for some reason giving Dean back his mom, but can't give Donnatello back his soul? Shitty. He's God, he could just give him another soul if his previous one just couldn't be salvaged. He only helped save the world, why should he ever experience joy again? Enjoy being dead inside for the rest of your life, chump.

Haven't watched this week's episode yet?

Anyway, I love how Castiel managed to basically come back from the dead via pure spite/stubbornness.

Though, assuming that entity's statement about not even God being able to reach into the emptiness is true, I have to wonder where Castiel went all the previous times he died, as others have brought him back before.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Haven't watched this week's episode yet?

Anyway, I love how Castiel managed to basically come back from the dead via pure spite/stubbornness.

Though, assuming that entity's statement about not even God being able to reach into the emptiness is true, I have to wonder where Castiel went all the previous times he died, as others have brought him back before.
Ah, but all those times, he was just mostly dead.
Mostly dead is slightly alive.
With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do. Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Haven't watched this week's episode yet?

Anyway, I love how Castiel managed to basically come back from the dead via pure spite/stubbornness.

Though, assuming that entity's statement about not even God being able to reach into the emptiness is true, I have to wonder where Castiel went all the previous times he died, as others have brought him back before.

No, did Donny get his soul back?

Kento
Cas' death area make for little sense to me.....God can't reach here. Meanwhile God can bring back any angel he wants. SO is there like 5 Cas' sleeping in there? Is Cas' just a clone of himself?

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, but all those times, he was just mostly dead.
Mostly dead is slightly alive.
With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do. Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

What about the time Lucifer literally disintegrated him (in the same manner he has killed A LOT of angels at this point), and God apparently brought him back? Unless Cas still had a spark of life in a piece of eyeball or something, the current story narrative has a bit of a plot hole there.

And you joke, but I have seen that happen. Except it was not the dead guy's pockets. It was the meat truck he had been driving.

Originally posted by Kento
Cas' death area make for little sense to me.....God can't reach here. Meanwhile God can bring back any angel he wants. SO is there like 5 Cas' sleeping in there? Is Cas' just a clone of himself?

Yeah, he even said he could bring back dead archangels, though they require more time, as they require a lot of juice.

Originally posted by Surtur
No, did Donny get his soul back?

Nope. They didn't even bother to address it again, unless I missed an offhand comment somewhere. No one cares about the guy who looks like Colonel Sanders' cousin.

Kento
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, he even said he could bring back dead archangels, though they require more time, as they require a lot of juice.
It's like the writers don't even try to remember things that happen. Also, wasn't it the creation of the whole universe that got Amara all jealous... So how can something exist outside of something when God and Amara, and Archangels existed before the creation of it also.

riv6672
Just hitting you with a little Princess Bride. stick out tongue
Also, there's no reason for good meat to go to waste!

marwash22
Dean being a cvnt is getting old.


Misha Collins was fantastic in this episode tho.

Surtur
Oh f*ck them for what they did to Missouri. WTF.

Surtur
Originally posted by marwash22
Misha Collins was fantastic in this episode tho.

That weird accent as a cosmic entity was lame though. Was it supposed to be "gay 19th century dandy" ?

Artists interpretation of cosmic cas:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Dandys_1830.jpg

marwash22
the accent is what i liked the most. lol. For me it was up there with Alastair.

to each his own.

Surtur
They just keep adding cosmics, it's like Marvel.

But yeah Dean is obnoxious as f*ck over Jack. Jack who never did anything wrong and helps them out=bad. Benny who murdered innocent people, regrets it and helps Dean=good.

Kento
Originally posted by marwash22
Dean being a cvnt is getting old.

. For sure. It's like they forget he has any other side except kill monsters and be mean to people.

Surtur
Boo hoo Dean's sad over mommy sad

The baby in the adult body is actually somehow more mature lol.

riv6672
Originally posted by marwash22
the accent is what i liked the most. lol. For me it was up there with Alastair.

to each his own.
He reminded me of Hannibal Lecter with a lisp!

Surtur
I like Asmodeus. This is one thing this show has consistently been able to do: establish great characters in a single episode.

Surtur
We know that people become demons because their souls are sent to hell and they are tortured. I think it would be interesting to have the brothers have to deal with a demon of Deans own creation. We know he tortured people for decades in the pit, it would be interesting if one of them escaped. Especially if they made the soul sympathetic, like some guy whose kid was dying of cancer and he sells his soul to cure the kid(as opposed to just some horrible human being going to hell for being evil)

AbnormalButSane
Jesus Christ, this show is still on?

Mindset
Originally posted by AbnormalButSane
Jesus Christ, this show is still on? No, it's not.

riv6672
It isnt?
WTH have i been watching?!?

Mindset
Porn, probably.

Surtur
Damn, those masks that surgeon wore were creepy as f*ck.

TheVaultDweller
I've become way too jaded about those kinds of things. When I saw him wearing that beak mask, my first thought was of how it would potentially obstruct his line of sight if he had to drill something below him.

riv6672
Originally posted by Mindset
Porn, probably.
Nope, not really into porn.
Guess it comes from actually having had sex. whistle

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I've become way too jaded about those kinds of things. When I saw him wearing that beak mask, my first thought was of how it would potentially obstruct his line of sight if he had to drill something below him. actually, i thought that too.
Coolness Vs logistics.

TheVaultDweller
I thought it was a solid episode overall though.

I found Billie/nuDeath's attitude change very interesting, becoming much more in line with the previous Death (irritated tolerance). She stated how she'd been made aware of a far wider picture, and now knew of their importance. So, I'm guessing this is something to do with how Chuck proclaimed the brothers to pretty much be Earth's first line of defense against evil, which is probably an understanding he also had with the previous incarnation of Death.

Also, judging by how she spoke, she seemed to be aware of the whole multiverse, so I'm assuming the same goes for Death's peers/superiors (Chuck and Amara).

Also, now that they got Cas back, hopefully Dean will stop being a miserable jerk. And considering Castiel will likely also be pro-Jack, this hopefully means he will lay off there as well.

riv6672
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I thought it was a solid episode overall though.

I found Billie/nuDeath's attitude change very interesting, becoming much more in line with the previous Death (irritated tolerance). She stated how she'd been made aware of a far wider picture, and now knew of their importance. So, I'm guessing this is something to do with how Chuck proclaimed the brothers to pretty much be Earth's first line of defense against evil, which is probably an understanding he also had with the previous incarnation of Death.

Also, judging by how she spoke, she seemed to be aware of the whole multiverse, so I'm assuming the same goes for Death's peers/superiors (Chuck and Amara).

Also, now that they got Cas back, hopefully Dean will stop being a miserable jerk. And considering Castiel will likely also be pro-Jack, this hopefully means he will lay off there as well.
Good post, i'm with you on your made points. thumb up

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I've become way too jaded about those kinds of things. When I saw him wearing that beak mask, my first thought was of how it would potentially obstruct his line of sight if he had to drill something below him.

I just thought about it from the patients point of view. Being experimented on by a guy with that mask would just add to the nightmare fuel.

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I thought it was a solid episode overall though.

I found Billie/nuDeath's attitude change very interesting, becoming much more in line with the previous Death (irritated tolerance). She stated how she'd been made aware of a far wider picture, and now knew of their importance. So, I'm guessing this is something to do with how Chuck proclaimed the brothers to pretty much be Earth's first line of defense against evil, which is probably an understanding he also had with the previous incarnation of Death.

Also, judging by how she spoke, she seemed to be aware of the whole multiverse, so I'm assuming the same goes for Death's peers/superiors (Chuck and Amara).

Also, now that they got Cas back, hopefully Dean will stop being a miserable jerk. And considering Castiel will likely also be pro-Jack, this hopefully means he will lay off there as well.

This is true, but I admit I read a slight spoiler before the episode. I found out Dean meets Death. I had hoped it would be the Death we've always had because I like the character. Nothing against Billy, but that other guy even just looked like you might imagine Death would look in human form. Sam and Dean also being necessary to the universe was somewhat funny because in the end they only succeed due to plot device or other supernatural beings helping them.

I'm also thinking now that the place Cas ended up is the place Billy originally intended to put Sam and Dean once they died. And possibly also the place Death planned to store Dean when he had the mark.

I was somewhat glad Jack wasn't in this episode, even though I do want to see more of him. But we more or less know how it will go, it will be the same as when Sam had an angel in him. The brothers will be nearly defeated and the Gadriel would pop out and help save the day. We're gonna have Jack most likely doing the same.

In the other episode seeing a different version of Michael made me think of Adam again. I wonder if they are ever going to get him out. Though he'd pretty much die instantly from the experience. Sam only spent a fraction of the time Adam has in the cage and it required divine intervention to help him. But I'm guessing he would go to heaven and it is better than eternal torment.

Speaking of heaven I wonder if Bobby is still in heavens prison. He got a raw deal.

Surtur
Okay so the latest episode was meh for me. It's nice to have Cas back, but other than that the series just seems to ignore established power levels in order to have a reason for Jack to leave.

Why did nobody attempt to get Jack to heal the guy he killed? They all know even normal angels have the power to instantly heal most wounds, and Cas even brought Bobby back from the dead at a time when his power level wasn't anywhere near Jacks.

Kento
I just don't understand why they are all like 'OMG Cas is back how is this possible, its never happened before, like 100 times."

Also Cas is like..Oh God can't reach this place, even though he's brought me back a million times. But at least Dean was happier, and more upbeat this episode.

riv6672
Was wondering if burning the body (in general and in this case) had/has something to do with characters being brought back/going to the Empty?

Surtur
Originally posted by Kento
I just don't understand why they are all like 'OMG Cas is back how is this possible, its never happened before, like 100 times."

Also Cas is like..Oh God can't reach this place, even though he's brought me back a million times. But at least Dean was happier, and more upbeat this episode.

I guess you could maybe try to argue it is different because an angel blade killed him. But..nah, Cas has been exploded by two different arch angels and still come back.

But all of the main characters have been killed multiple times. I'm pretty sure the universe just hates Sam and Dean. For most people death is the end and then they go to heaven. For Sam and Dean death is just something that leads to increasingly horrifying situations.

Surtur
I swear Lucifer is like this shows version of the Joker lol. Stop imprisoning him for christs sake, he always gets free. Stab his face until he dies.

He's like the one ring. You know it's better off destroyed, but when you get into close proximity of it you can't help but start thinking up all these crazy ways you wanna use it's power for yourself.

Surtur
Asmodeus sure seemed like he'd be loyal to Lucifer...until he wasn't. When you can't even trust a prince of hell, what has the world come to?

Surtur
So Jack sure as hell went from being distraught over hurting or killing to...not being that way, pretty quick.

At this point he's earned a bullet to the head now.

Surtur
I'm gonna predict maybe it wasn't Jack, but angels looking for him.

Surtur
Damn lol, what an ending. Sam and Dean are trapped where? Godzilla land?

This season has been a lot better than the past few ones.

TheVaultDweller
The thing that always bugs me when people do the giant footprint thing: Why is there almost always just one? Are all these giant monsters playing hopscotch or something?

riv6672
The other one is out of range of the camera. Big foot equals long stride.

TheVaultDweller
There didn't really seem much disturbance in the surroundings to indicate that something actually walked through there though. Just this giant print. I mean I know what it is meant to imply...

But I demand more realism from a show that has gone on for so long that it no longer even follows its own canon. big grin

riv6672
You what?
We've got our eyes on you, buddy...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/f1dOeZCBSak/maxresdefault.jpg

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The thing that always bugs me when people do the giant footprint thing: Why is there almost always just one? Are all these giant monsters playing hopscotch or something?

Godzilla just loves to be a dick and make people think "maybe this isn't Godzilla, only one foot print" before he swoops in and eats them.

T-Rexes are known to do the same thing.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by riv6672
You what?
We've got our eyes on you, buddy...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/f1dOeZCBSak/maxresdefault.jpg

That pic lured me down the Supernatural meme rabbit hole... Ended up here:

http://images.wookmark.com/479233_wookmark.jpg

riv6672
^^^In my head i heard Cas' voice as i read that! laughing

Surtur
I have to say I did not like Wayward Sisters. I didn't hate it, but it just wasn't that good. I'm torn because I don't think the show is going to have anymore opportunities for spin offs. I guess I'd rather have this spin off than no spin off at all.

Flyattractor
Still waiting on that crossover with The Tick.

Surtur
They should do a spin off called "Idjits" starring a young Bobby and Rufus.

Flyattractor
I want a season of Castiel and Crowley driving around in that big ass car.

Surtur
It's kinda awesome seeing Cas and Lucifer work together.

Surtur
Some retarded shit went down in the last episode though. Those witches still trying to kill Sam and Dean with hammers made no sense. I know they said they usually kill people with those things so hunters do not pick up their trail, but this was a life and death moment and they still just barely used magic lol.

Though it was very satisfying when Rowena had the two witches attack each other to death.

Anyways, why would Sam and Dean tell the witches their guns had witch killing bullets? Best to just have them think there is no reason to defend themselves.

Flyattractor
Originally posted by Surtur
It's kinda awesome seeing Cas and Lucifer work together.

Lucifer is No Where Near as Cool as Crowley.

Surtur
Not cool, but he's funny. The show would be great. Cas and Lucifer going around having adventures, all the while Lucifer tries increasingly hilarious schemes in order to get Cas to let him cannibalize him just a tiny bit.

Flyattractor
WTF has happened to this show in the last couple of seasons?

Other then having Jumped a MASSIVELY Big Shark.

Surtur
Castiel, when talking about Lucifer: "If he were lying, I'd have known it".

Lol...

Surtur
Literally believed Lucifer when he lied and said he could stop The Darkness, lol.

TheVaultDweller
I am just wondering how Gabriel ended up in Hell. I mean the writers had hinted some time ago that he was still kicking around somewhere, so I kind of expected him to show up again at some point, but not like this. And now we also know the how as well. Turns out there is a specific blade for taking them out.

Surtur
What I don't get is: Lucifer can survive machine gun fire with bullets made from angel blades. Lucifer, while very weak, can survive getting stabbed directly in the heart with an angel blade.

Gabriel, thought he could kill Lucifer with...an angel blade, lol. So it turns out even if Lucifer had fallen for his trick it would have been 100% pointless.

Surtur
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I am just wondering how Gabriel ended up in Hell. I mean the writers had hinted some time ago that he was still kicking around somewhere, so I kind of expected him to show up again at some point, but not like this. And now we also know the how as well. Turns out there is a specific blade for taking them out.

I'm guessing the fall weakened him and Asmodeus ended up capturing him. Or I guess it's possible Crowley did before he died.

Surtur
Enjoyed the latest episode, though I feel bad for Donatello. Jack showed off a nice amount of power in the episode and it was nice to see Bobby again. Though I wish they had Rufus too.

It was annoying seeing Sam and Dean whine over what Cas did to Donatello. He had no soul, was corrupted, and had magic powers. So they can't just turn him over to the cops. Are they supposed to hold him prisoner forever? Sam and Dean have, in the past, been willing to allow innocents to die in order to save each other.

TheVaultDweller
Both brothers have been little bitches this season, TBH. Dean was emo and annoying for the first part of the season, and now it's been Sam's turn recently.

But yeah, when a soulless guy who has clearly been corrupted past the point of return starts using magic to choke you out, it's time to say goodbye.

Surtur
I think Donatello at least holds the pleasure of being the first guy the Winchesters helped turn into a vegetable.

Okay Bobby was in a coma, but he willingly chose to help out the boys. Castiel kinda was for a bit, but that's cuz he helped screw over Sam.

Still think it's super shitty God never brought Kevin back to life. He easily could have done so. I'm guessing Mrs. Tran has probably slit her wrists by now.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Surtur
What I don't get is: Lucifer can survive machine gun fire with bullets made from angel blades. Lucifer, while very weak, can survive getting stabbed directly in the heart with an angel blade.

Gabriel, thought he could kill Lucifer with...an angel blade, lol. So it turns out even if Lucifer had fallen for his trick it would have been 100% pointless. I thought they said in that episode that they both had special blades?

It's been a while though but I swear the archangel blades aren't new.

Surtur
Sam in the latest episode:

"So this is what we've come to now? Thieves?"

Hey, how do you guys pay for all your hotel rooms and stuff again?

Surtur
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I thought they said in that episode that they both had special blades?

It's been a while though but I swear the archangel blades aren't new.

No, they just had regular angel blades.

Surtur
Latest episode, great episode overall. I've never before liked an episode in this series that had no supernatural elements, but I liked this one. Had a nice noir feeling.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Surtur
No, they just had regular angel blades. No, Kali specifically calls it an Archangel blade, and Gabriel admits it can kill him.

Nemesis X
You're not going to believe this.

zzd1iE67Gyc

Surtur
Originally posted by One Big Mob
No, Kali specifically calls it an Archangel blade, and Gabriel admits it can kill him.

Yeah, but it looks like any other angel blade.

Whereas the one we've seen Asmodeus has..does not.

Though the show does have plot holes so that could explain it.

Surtur
Originally posted by Nemesis X
You're not going to believe this.

zzd1iE67Gyc

Airs tonight, it's gonna be good.

Nemesis X
Just watched it. I'm happy. This was a good crossover and a refreshing one at that.

Flyattractor
How much of the Ep was done in Cartoon Mode?

Surtur
Originally posted by Flyattractor
How much of the Ep was done in Cartoon Mode?

At least like 70% of it.

Surtur
[email protected] Deans reaction to Sam calling Scooby Marmaduke.

Also [email protected] Deans line of "I'd take a bullet for that dog".

Nemesis X
Oh god that moment in the Scooby episode when the Winchesters convince the Scooby Gang monsters are real. The result of this is them having a massive existential crisis. Fred feeling like he wasted years chasing masked crooks, Velma using herself as a verbal punching bag, Daphne grasping the concept of an afterlife and wondering if she's going to Hell (WTF), and Shaggy & Scooby....well, nothing. They already believed in that stuff so nothing new to them lol

Surtur
Yeah seeing the scoobies have a nervous breakdown was hilarious. This episode hit all the right notes.

Velma and Sam at the end were funny too. I was surprised they never made any jokes about her being a lesbian lol.

TheVaultDweller
Okay, so how the fook did they manage to actually capture Gabriel way back when? Even after apparently juicing on his grace for years, Asmodeus still got killed embarrassingly easily once Gabe got serious. So, how did demon plebs get the drop on him?

One Big Mob
The only thing I can think of is he weakened himself in his stunt against Lucifer. Maybe he powered completely down to avoid detection and they chained him by surprise?

TheVaultDweller
That, or the demons disguised themselves as pornstars. There has to be something though. Because no way are a bunch of mook demons, led by evil Colonel Sanders, taking a prime Gabriel in a fair fight.

Surtur
This season has been one of the best seasons in many years. Top notch.

What is with Gabriel though? Damn. Lucifer was locked away for many thousands of years and he didn't come out of it all whiny and sitting in a corner. Gabriel, at best, spent like 6 years captive lol. 6 years of torture vs thousands in a box.

He's also kind of a dick for faking his death the way he did lol.

Kento
I mean, if you want to take grace from a tortured angel, that has nowhere to go, and is weeping in a corner crying.. why not just take Michaels.

Surtur
Also [email protected] the angels in the apocalypse world dressed in military gear wearing kneepads.

Surtur
Originally posted by Kento
I mean, if you want to take grace from a tortured angel, that has nowhere to go, and is weeping in a corner crying.. why not just take Michaels.

How the hell did the weakest Prince of Hell even catch an arch angel?

Though opening up the cage to find Michael would be difficult.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Surtur
Though opening up the cage to find Michael would be difficult.

Yes, IIRC, Rowena is the only one left who still has that knowledge. It's the whole reason Lucifer tried to wipe her out.

On a related note, I legit lol'd when she tried to attack Death in the latest episode. I know she got her full mojo back, but Death is a friggin' abstract entity who's supposed to be a peer to God and Amara.

Flyattractor
So has this season managed to do anything they haven't already done (to death) in the previous seasons?

Surtur
[email protected] Asmodeus hurling some sort of Naruto chakra blast at Gabriel.

Surtur
Originally posted by Flyattractor
So has this season managed to do anything they haven't already done (to death) in the previous seasons?

Most of the stuff has been done before, though they are doing it better this season than in the past. Though one unique thing so far is going to other universes. The closest we've come to that is when Sam and Dean got transferred to the "real" world, a world without magic or god.

Surtur
The latest episode brought up something I hadn't thought of: it indeed *didn't* make sense that Naomi was killed merely be getting a drill to the skull.

TheVaultDweller
Yeah. Something like that will mess up a vessel, but angels should be totally immune to long-term negative effects from conventional weapons.

Also, extremely delayed... But some of the bits of dialogue from the Scooby episode was classic:

Dean: How do I look?
Sam: Two-dimensional.
Dean: Perfect!

Surtur
Yeah I think they are doing a spin off with more scooby/supernatural eps.

Surtur
Latest episode was quite good. Now it makes more sense how Gabriel ended up captured by Asmodeus. Also was cool to see the real Loki.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Surtur
The latest episode brought up something I hadn't thought of: it indeed *didn't* make sense that Naomi was killed merely be getting a drill to the skull. Everytime I see an angel hurt I think back to Castiel's first appearance.

Surtur
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Everytime I see an angel hurt I think back to Castiel's first appearance.

Oh you mean where they literally threw everything at him save for the colt and an angel blade and it did nothing? Yeah...

Remember when punching an angel in the face used to hurt a humans hand? And it was like punching metal? Now they just wail on the f*ckers without even a bruised knuckle.

Hell I remember when Demons could switch bodies through physical contact lol.

One Big Mob
Calling it now, Gabe is dying and Jack might as well. Probably Mary too.

I like how getting to Mary and Jack was more important than saving Sam though. That part jolted the shit out of me. I think the writers just gave up there, that entire sequence was lazy as shit.

Kento
I'm shocked Dean didn't burn that whole place down to get Sam back.

One Big Mob
Sam made a huge mistake that's only going to piss of Lucy in the long run. They should have just ran in and grabbed Jack...

And predicted the Gabe one. Jesus.

Surtur
Catching up on the last 2 eps of the season. [email protected] nazi Castiel. Just...why?

Also normal Castiel is kinda retarded. He allowed Lucifer to talk as if he wasn't that bad and didn't cause a lot of evil because he was locked up for a long time. Why not just point out he *created demons* lol. Or that he tried to destroy the world.

Also when the angels said they were bringing in their torture specialist and called him Castiel...before we saw him I honestly thought it would turn out that it would be that universes version of Dean inhabited by the Castiel of that world.

Kento
Originally posted by Surtur

Also when the angels said they were bringing in their torture specialist and called him Castiel...before we saw him I honestly thought it would turn out that it would be that universes version of Dean inhabited by the Castiel of that world. That would have been amazing tbh...

Surtur
Once again the Winchesters make a deal with an evil supernatural being and are SHOCKED when it backfires.

And it makes no sense that a fully powered Michael would be able to fight against a Lucifer who was amped up on Jack's power. I thought this was one of the best seasons the show has ever done, but I do not like how it ended.

I am curious as to how the next season will play out. Normally I'd think the Dean/Michael situation would be fixed within the first or second episode of next season. Yet based on what the guy who plays Dean has said that will not be the case. This show is like X-Files in the sense that some episodes are about the overall plot and some are just monster of the week episodes. I am curious who will be hunting with same for the monster of the week episodes. Castiel? Bobby 2.0? Mary? Jack?

Also I am really bummed out Lucifer is dead. He was a fun character.

Kazenji
Nsy06n-omrg

Surtur
Originally posted by Kazenji
Nsy06n-omrg

At least somebody remembered Adam.

Surtur
I was reading this article about a bunch of fan theories, supposed to be the more "plausible" ones. Some are interesting. Like the theory that Amara created all the various lesser gods that exist to f*ck with God. Yet there are also theories that the Gods are powerful Tulpa's lol.

There is one curious one about Crowley that says he used to be an angel. The theory is he fell from grace, became human, and ended up selling his soul and becoming a demon. The sole reason given is how he makes a reference to "Mesopotamia" to Naomi. Yet it was previous made out that he was just a human alive in the 18th century. It could just be the writers slipped up, there is a lot of lore to remember...but it did always strike me as weird.

Flyattractor
Supernatural needs a break.

Surtur
How dare you.

It's only been 13 years.

Flyattractor
Yeah and it is kind of starting to show....Nap Time for the Winchester Boys. Not Saying GO AWAY For EVER but the Story Arcs are kind of getting to be Rinse. Wash. Repeat.

Surtur
Season 14 will most likely be the last season.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Surtur
Season 14 will most likely be the last season. Does anyone even watch this show.

Surtur
Well I mean you would figure they wouldn't keep it around if people didn't...

Flyattractor
Originally posted by Surtur
Season 14 will most likely be the last season.

As I recall their main goal was surpass Samllville wasn't it?

Surtur
Originally posted by Flyattractor
As I recall their main goal was surpass Samllville wasn't it?

Yea but they did that years ago. Now the goal is 300 episodes, which they will reach sometime in the middle of season 14.

Speaking of Smallville I found out early in the days of Supernatural there was going to be a sort of cross over. Clark Kent wouldn't be featured but the guy who plays him would be. In the episode the brothers would be looking into the "Superman curse" and protecting Tom Welling.

Glad it didn't happen. Plus Jensen Ackles was in 20+ episodes of Smallville.

Mindset
Originally posted by Surtur
Yea but they did that years ago. Now the goal is 300 episodes, which they will reach sometime in the middle of season 14.

Speaking of Smallville I found out early in the days of Supernatural there was going to be a sort of cross over. Clark Kent wouldn't be featured but the guy who plays him would be. In the episode the brothers would be looking into the "Superman curse" and protecting Tom Welling.

Glad it didn't happen. Plus Jensen Ackles was in 20+ episodes of Smallville. I hated Jensen in Smallville because he was stealing Clark's girl!

Surtur
Originally posted by Mindset
I hated Jensen in Smallville because he was stealing Clark's girl!

Psshh Lana was so damn annoying my favorite scene with her is when that horse tramples her.

#BestHorseEver

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