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What party more closely represents the Sith or Jedi...from all eras.
Let's flesh this out.

I see a lot of similarities between the Khan era Sith and modern day Dems.

I wish I knew more about Star Wars.

Originally posted by socool8520
I wish I knew more about Star Wars.

Catching up on some books on Audible.

Khan era siths were all about "equality"(no dark lords were technically above the others) and submitting to passion(generally a Dark Side trait)

Equality is a good thing though. So I guess they are just misunderstood?

Are the books canon?

Originally posted by socool8520
Equality is a good thing though. So I guess they are just misunderstood?

Are the books canon?

I believe most of the books are cannon.

there is no such thing as pure equality. there is equality of opportunity...which is fair. there is equality of outcome...which requires the handicap of a person with superior abilities.

Hmmm...I will have to get around to reading them

I meant equality in the sense of basic rights and treatment. Physical/mental capabilities are obviously varied

Originally posted by socool8520
Hmmm...I will have to get around to reading them

I meant equality in the sense of basic rights and treatment. Physical/mental capabilities are obviously varied

that falls under equality of opportunity. these days equality of outcome and equality of opportunity are conflated and confused.

right, and I'm down with equality of opportunity

Jedi: Republicans are like kotor jedi, Democrats are like ROTE Jedi

Sith: Democrats are like the sith of Bane's era, Republicans are like the Banite Sith

Also: Sith are evil, not misunderstood.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Jedi: Republicans are like kotor jedi, Democrats are like ROTE Jedi

Sith: Democrats are like the sith of Bane's era, Republicans are like the Banite Sith

Also: Sith are evil, not misunderstood.

interesting. how so?

what do you think about my earlier assessment?

Originally posted by Raisen
I believe most of the books are cannon.

there is no such thing as pure equality. there is equality of opportunity...which is fair. there is equality of outcome...which requires the handicap of a person with superior abilities.

There's also legal egaliterianism, which is equality of rights: everyone, no matter the gender, sexual orientation, religious belief, wealth, social status or race has the same rights, privileges and consequences.

And I think that's a good thing.

Originally posted by MythLord
There's also legal egaliterianism, which is equality of rights: everyone, no matter the gender, sexual orientation, religious belief, wealth, social status or race has the same rights, privileges and consequences.

And I think that's a good thing.

we already have that for the most part

Originally posted by socool8520
I wish I knew more about Star Wars.

You should play the games. There are some bad ones, but the KOTOR games are excellent, especially if you get them on PC and can use mods. As well as the jedi outcast series. Especially because Kyle Katarn has the best death cry in any video game:

mW5ERzyKkus

Originally posted by Raisen
I believe most of the books are cannon.

there is no such thing as pure equality. there is equality of opportunity...which is fair. there is equality of outcome...which requires the handicap of a person with superior abilities.

I thought with the new movies everything else was essentially thrown out and it's the movies that are the main canon? The Star Wars EU canon has always been complex.

Originally posted by Surtur
You should play the games. There are some bad ones, but the KOTOR games are excellent, especially if you get them on PC and can use mods. As well as the jedi outcast series.



I thought with the new movies everything else was essentially thrown out and it's the movies that are the main canon? The Star Wars EU canon has always been complex.

i'm really not sure.

the characters are a lot more powerful in the books

Originally posted by Raisen
i'm really not sure.

the characters are a lot more powerful in the books

Yeah, and in the games too. You see even minor sith can hurl force lightning like it's nothing, and you have the sith academy. There were way more sith in the past. But because they hilariously end up just murdering each other it balances out how ineffective the jedi are.

But see my edit in the other video. That Kyle Katarn video. That man never dies instantly.

Revan though is one of my favorite characters.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, and in the games too. You see even minor sith can hurl force lightning like it's nothing, and you have the sith academy. There were way more sith in the past. But because they hilariously end up just murdering each other it balances out how ineffective the jedi are.

But see my edit in the other video. That Kyle Katarn video. That man never dies instantly.

Revan though is one of my favorite characters.

Revan is cool. Darth Bane has an interesting story

Originally posted by Raisen
Revan is cool. Darth Bane has an interesting story
Yes Darth Bane is awesome. I probably know more about him than anyone on the planet not named Drew Karpyshyn tbh

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes Darth Bane is awesome. I probably know more about him than anyone on the planet not named Drew Karpyshyn tbh

i'm listening to the Rule of Two audio book now

Originally posted by Raisen
Revan is cool. Darth Bane has an interesting story

Yeah Bane is cool too. Years ago I read a variety of different comics and books, but they all jumble together lol. I remember one story where the sith used a psychic attack called a "thought bomb", that was pretty cool. Another story that sticks out is a sith that had his head removed but could still talk and stuff. Another story had Darth Bane surviving being poisoned.

Anyways, who would you consider the most powerful force user overall? Vitiate is pretty powerful.

Vitiate isn't even close to being the most powerful Force User ever. The Ones / Abeloth shit on him.

Originally posted by Surtur
Anyways, who would you consider the most powerful force user overall? Vitiate is pretty powerful.
Definitely the Father, he was confirmed to be the most powerful Force user in his prime.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah Bane is cool too. Years ago I read a variety of different comics and books, but they all jumble together lol. I remember one story where the sith used a psychic attack called a "thought bomb", that was pretty cool. Another story that sticks out is a sith that had his head removed but could still talk and stuff. Another story had Darth Bane surviving being poisoned.

Anyways, who would you consider the most powerful force user overall? Vitiate is pretty powerful.

oh man. I really can't say. this is a debate that never ends for people that have a lot more knowledge about it than I do.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Vitiate isn't even close to being the most powerful Force User ever. The Ones / Abeloth shit on him.

Father beat Abeloth

Trying to make sense out of this Star Wars Fan Fiction stuff is IMPOSSIBLE!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Trying to make sense out of this Star Wars Fan Fiction stuff is IMPOSSIBLE!

It's phucking convoluted

Originally posted by Raisen
It's phucking convoluted

Nah. ...it is Totally Brain PHUCKED!!

Originally posted by Surtur
You should play the games. There are some bad ones, but the KOTOR games are excellent, especially if you get them on PC and can use mods. As well as the jedi outcast series. Especially because Kyle Katarn has the best death cry in any video game:


I thought with the new movies everything else was essentially thrown out and it's the movies that are the main canon? The Star Wars EU canon has always been complex.

I'm not much of a PC gamer but I will have to check them out. I played the force unleashed games, and for the most part, I thought the battle mechanics were good. The story and repetitiveness were drawbacks though.

The hell does "Khan-era Sith" mean? Well, in any case, philosophically the Republicans are closer to the Sith, and the Democrats are closer to the Jedi, pretty much unquestionably.

Originally posted by Raisen
Father beat Abeloth

The Father is one of the Ones, so he's still correct.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The hell does "Khan-era Sith" mean? Well, in any case, philosophically the Republicans are closer to the Sith, and the Democrats are closer to the Jedi, pretty much unquestionably.

From how the movies have portrayed both sides since the Prequels.

Both sides are Shit so I can see the logic in this.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The hell does "Khan-era Sith" mean? Well, in any case, philosophically the Republicans are closer to the Sith, and the Democrats are closer to the Jedi, pretty much unquestionably.

how they operated as the brother of darkness or whatever.

also, the comparison can be questioned greatly. don't let your personal bias make you think things are set in stone

Originally posted by socool8520
I'm not much of a PC gamer but I will have to check them out. I played the force unleashed games, and for the most part, I thought the battle mechanics were good. The story and repetitiveness were drawbacks though.

Oh hell yes the Force Unleashed games were awesome. Yeah the story was meh, but I was mostly playing it to toss tie fighters around with my mind and shit.

^ Agreed. the battle mechanics were fun, very much so. I just wish they could have added more depth in the adventure side of it as well as fleshed out the story more.

The sith use emotions

The jedi abstain from emotions clouding their judgment


Sith are all about achieving power; jedi are about keeping the peace.

The dark-side allows you to achieve power faster but at the cost of degrading physically.

The light-side takes longer to achieve the same power but you will in essence live on for ever after death.

Comparing them to dem/republican is pretty unreasonable. Let's just use the political spectrum.


Sith are all about power and hierarchy while the jedi (in theory) see everyone as being equal.

so jedi = leftist
sith = reactionary

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

vs

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.


I believe it's more appropriate to assign the sith as being realists while the jedi are idealists. If we say that progressives are trying to achieve unrealistic ideas they are the jedi. Sith are the realists following the alt-right.

Originally posted by Raisen
What party more closely represents the Sith or Jedi...from all eras.
Let's flesh this out.

I see a lot of similarities between the Khan era Sith and modern day Dems.

They're both sith.

Politics is based on deception.

I mean, lets get real here.. Who really controls politics? People with money. You don't see too many liberal billionaries going around poor neighborhoods, giving out a million dollars at every door stop..

Of course, the republicans are open faced about not giving a ****. Personally, I think both parties are theater anyways, otherwise why do the "fringes" get all the press time..?

So yeah, it's all deception, all lies. Any "good" people that actually want to clean the system up get dealt with, whether it's marginalized, smeared, or worse (Look up politics and murders.. Look up Whitey Bulger. These people are thugs.)

Originally posted by cdtm
They're both sith.

Politics is based on deception.

I mean, lets get real here.. Who really controls politics? People with money. You don't see too many liberal billionaries going around poor neighborhoods, giving out a million dollars at every door stop..

Of course, the republicans are open faced about not giving a ****. Personally, I think both parties are theater anyways, otherwise why do the "fringes" get all the press time..?

So yeah, it's all deception, all lies. Any "good" people that actually want to clean the system up get dealt with, whether it's marginalized, smeared, or worse (Look up politics and murders.. Look up Whitey Bulger. These people are thugs.)

I can see the interchangeability

Originally posted by Kurk

so jedi = leftist
sith = reactionary


In theory,sure.

In practice leftists use emotion all the time. What do you think the "social politics" is all about? Getting people angry. Getting people riled. Voting based on emotion.

And there just so happens to be open bigots around every corner to play into that.

Which, sure, they exist. Do they exist in such numbers that they should make up all the media coverage they do, or as much of the political discourse that they do?

Look at Yale.. It's all social politics, all the time, with the university solidly behind the marginalized. Except when they want unions.. Then suddenly the university is against the students. Because suddenly, there's more then words at stake.. There's money involved.

Originally posted by cdtm
In theory,sure.

In practice leftists use emotion all the time. What do you think the "social politics" is all about? Getting people angry. Getting people riled. Voting based on emotion.

And there just so happens to be open bigots around every corner to play into that.

Which, sure, they exist. Do they exist in such numbers that they should make up all the media coverage they do, or as much of the political discourse that they do?

Look at Yale.. It's all social politics, all the time, with the university solidly behind the marginalized. Except when they want unions.. Then suddenly the university is against the students. Because suddenly, there's more then words at stake.. There's money involved.

you think like me.

I'll let you suck me

The true answer is both parties are both sides of the force too. Both have qualities of both. The self destructiveness and in fighting of the sith and the ineffectiveness of the jedi.

Sith have better fashion sense so yes. The Sith are Leftties.

Originally posted by Surtur
The true answer is both parties are both sides of the force too. Both have qualities of both. The self destructiveness and in fighting of the sith and the ineffectiveness of the jedi.

yes bro. Hillary does remind me of a pumpkin headed sidious tho with that cackling.

ted cruz is totally sith like. I just sense the manipulation and fakeness.

Originally posted by cdtm
They're both sith.

Politics is based on deception.

I mean, lets get real here.. Who really controls politics? People with money. You don't see too many liberal billionaries going around poor neighborhoods, giving out a million dollars at every door stop..

The Jedi were deceptive and corrupt too.

I don't like Trump or the Republicans, but comparing them to Nazis and the Galactic Empire in Star Wars is ****ing delusional ramblings.

Isn't freedom of speech and less government control sort of Anti-Nazi?

I mean, outside of the dudes who actually call themselves Nazis, that seems like a messed up thing to claim about a group

Republicans aren't exactly reliable advocates for free speech or small government, though, so that's kind of a moot point.

Nor are the they advocates of race superiority and government controlling everything. They fall further on my statement then Firefly's

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democrat_vs_Republican

Outside of Gay marriage and abortion, there doesn't seem to be any freedom of speech problems.

They seem to want to limit govt. influence imo

Both parties are pretty shit at this point yeah.

Originally posted by socool8520
Nor are the they advocates of race superiority and government controlling everything. They fall further on my statement then Firefly's

Not really; Firefly said that the far right is "in the spirit of Nazis," which does sound pretty moronic, but it's not really any less true than saying the far right "just wants smaller government and free speech."



--over churches and businesses, and literally nothing else.

Originally posted by socool8520
Nor are the they advocates of race superiority and government controlling everything. They fall further on my statement then Firefly's

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democrat_vs_Republican

Outside of Gay marriage and abortion, there doesn't seem to be any freedom of speech problems.

They seem to want to limit govt. influence imo

The Motto of the Right/Conservatives "Leave Us Alone"

The Motto of the Left/Progressives "We want to Control You".

That Pretty much says it all.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not really; Firefly said that the far right is "in the spirit of Nazis," which does sound pretty moronic, but not quite the same as saying they are Nazis.



--over churches and businesses, and literally nothing else.

Semantics

They aren't the ones flipping out over every comment made that could be considered offensive but okay.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Republicans aren't exactly reliable advocates for free speech...

How do you figure?

"Whatever party I disagree with is the sith"

-This whole thread.

Well I pick and choose what i like from both. lol

Originally posted by socool8520

They aren't the ones flipping out over every comment made that could be considered offensive but okay.

I have to disagree. They're just offended by different things. Instead of "Muh-muh gender!", it tends to be "Muh-muh religion!" for the right.

Originally posted by BackFire
"Whatever party I disagree with is the sith"

-This whole thread.

llLKar19XhA

The only thing more evil than the Jedi is sand.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I have to disagree. They're just offended by different things. Instead of "Muh-muh gender!", it tends to be "Muh-muh religion!" for the right.

Or my guns.

Or my flag.

In most cases though, they'll exercise free speech and disagree very loudly and obnoxiously. At most, maybe demand their boss take action against something that offends them.

Which is a bosses right, in the same way a college has a right to dictate "safe spaces."

None of that is against free speech though, as it's not government or law stopping someone, but an employer/private property head (Except in the case of state schools, maybe? Not sure how that works..)

Originally posted by cdtm
In most cases though, they'll exercise free speech and disagree very loudly and obnoxiously. None of that is against free speech though,

Yes, I know, that's why I mentioned it in response to this,



and not your question.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't like Trump or the Republicans, but comparing them to Nazis and the Galactic Empire in Star Wars is ****ing delusional ramblings.
Hyperbole bro.

Way to get triggered by a joke though.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Hyperbole bro.

Way to get triggered by a joke though.
You see, I've heard that spoken seriously enough, that its hard to tell when it's a joke or not at this point, which is a pretty sad point to get to, where a not so small number of people actually believe we're living under fascist tyranny.