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These are Surfer blasts. No versatility...just his raw power. He gets to fire off two blast, right at Superman. Superman can brace for the attack but he has to stand in place for Surfer attacks. Surfer is going all out. What is the results? Is Superman knocked out, unaffected, etc...

Please explain your reasoning.

Stunned but not much more. IMO the only way that Surfer could harm Superman is through some form of exploitative attack.

Originally posted by Stoic
Stunned but not much more. IMO the only way that Surfer could harm Superman is through some form of exploitative attack.

So you don't think this will hurt Superman?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62547/3464510-surfer+destroys+planet.jpg

That was a planet by the way.

Originally posted by carver9
So you don't think this will hurt Superman?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62547/3464510-surfer+destroys+planet.jpg

That was a planet by the way.

That's well above Surfer's average. It's only fair to use Superman's above average feats. If that's the case then Superman has durability feats that far exceeds surviving planet destroying blasts.

Is your question related to average Surfer (his average blasts)?

H1...is right....

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7zhkrga0Chg/T6GrnlRWKCI/AAAAAAAABoc/l6POr-GX0F8/s1600/Hero-Envy-Silver-Surfer-vs-Thor9b.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OMnzjyErjCU/T6GrxTDVozI/AAAAAAAABo0/S9wkMzi6Q0U/s1600/Hero-Envy-Silver-Surfer-vs-Thor9a.jpg

This is a good example of Silver Surfers average. And Thor was injured. So when someone with a ridiculous damage soak crosses paths with him, his blasts always seem to come up short.

Carver, Superman's durability is very near Thanos' durability.

Do you recall how that went?

I wouldn't put Superman durability near Thanos level tbh. Thanos stands in one spot while Thor blasts on him. Superman isn't coming close to doing that. Sorry.

It's not doing much TBH. Even Hulk has waded through his blasts while his durability was compromised.

Carv really is obsessed with Goku beating Superman.

Superman is not tanking surfers blast. Koed and severely damaged or killed.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman is not tanking surfers blast. Koed and severely damaged or killed.
Why not? Who has Surfer killed or koed in Superman level durability class?

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7zhkrga0Chg/T6GrnlRWKCI/AAAAAAAABoc/l6POr-GX0F8/s1600/Hero-Envy-Silver-Surfer-vs-Thor9b.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OMnzjyErjCU/T6GrxTDVozI/AAAAAAAABo0/S9wkMzi6Q0U/s1600/Hero-Envy-Silver-Surfer-vs-Thor9a.jpg

This is a good example of Silver Surfers average. And Thor was injured. So when someone with a ridiculous damage soak crosses paths with him, his blasts always seem to come up short.

. Average blasts against average durability, won't do much.

High end blasts like in Carver's scan? Then better pull out Superman's high end feats.....

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7zhkrga0Chg/T6GrnlRWKCI/AAAAAAAABoc/l6POr-GX0F8/s1600/Hero-Envy-Silver-Surfer-vs-Thor9b.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OMnzjyErjCU/T6GrxTDVozI/AAAAAAAABo0/S9wkMzi6Q0U/s1600/Hero-Envy-Silver-Surfer-vs-Thor9a.jpg

This is a good example of Silver Surfers average. And Thor was injured. So when someone with a ridiculous damage soak crosses paths with him, his blasts always seem to come up short.

He held back quite a bit in that fight


OT
His smaller blasts wouldn't do too much damage
His stronger ones will hurt him and eventually KO supes if he keeps to choosing to tank,but it's not a one shot or anything like that

He only has two blasts to do it.

Originally posted by Genii96
He held back quite a bit in that fight


OT
His smaller blasts wouldn't do too much damage
His stronger ones will hurt him and eventually KO supes if he keeps to choosing to tank,but it's not a one shot or anything like that

Yeah, but from his expression he was at least a little more dedicated to that last one.

Originally posted by Genii96
He held back quite a bit in that fight


OT
His smaller blasts wouldn't do too much damage
His stronger ones will hurt him and eventually KO supes if he keeps to choosing to tank,but it's not a one shot or anything like that
Superman can tank anything Surfer can dish out without being koed. He has literally walked through Green Lantern's unrestrained Id's blasts when he was trying to kill him.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111278499/5506322-gulst5a.jpg

This was also Kyle tapping into Ion.

Surfer's blasts are not koing him.

Generally, no. It ranges between being pushed back, or simply plowing through it.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's well above Surfer's average. It's only fair to use Superman's above average feats. If that's the case then Superman has durability feats that far exceeds surviving planet destroying blasts.

Is your question related to average Surfer (his average blasts)?


Surfer has busted planets many times. Those are not high feats

Who has he KOed?

Let's not use collateral damage here. We've just seen an injured Thor shrug it off...

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah, but from his expression he was at least a little more dedicated to that last one.

He just blasted him to keep him back,
He was more worried about Thor's own injuries after that

A bit hurt maybe annoy him but serious damage? No. I also dont understand why destroying a planet is impressive or important for a battle above the meta tier. No rock on a random planet has the durability of a herald. A blast that can damage colossus shot through the core or spread out wide enough should be more than enough.

Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer has busted planets many times. Those are not high feats
Captain Atom has destroyed universes almost that many times.

Sure he can. Less powerful attacks constantly hurt Superman.

Superman standing up to powerful blasts is one of his signature traits (especially with arms akimbo), while Surfer's typical brute-force blasts are, well, more/less typical. This type of confrontation, imo, favors Superman. Supes would be hurt but not stopped. Not like this. Surfer would need to go more exotic.

Originally posted by Stoic
Carver, Superman's durability is very near Thanos' durability.

Do you recall how that went? Your ignorance knows no bounds. Thanos is well above Superman in terms of durability. It isn't even close.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your ignorance knows no bounds. Thanos is well above Superman in terms of durability. It isn't even close.

True.

Superman might be momentarily stunned, but not out. Surfer would have to resort to more exotic powers, which he easily could.

I saw scans of thanos withstanding blast that outright killed thor and gladiator

Of course Surfer can hurt Supes with his blasting power. Just how much would depend on whether he was firing off blasts of the sort he uses when he's trying to talk an opponent down, or the kind of blasts he'd be using in a forum fight where he's compelled to fight and actually try to win and doesn't bother trying to make the other character see reason.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Of course Surfer can hurt Supes with his blasting power. Just how much would depend on whether he was firing off blasts of the sort he uses when he's trying to talk an opponent down, or the kind of blasts he'd be using in a forum fight where he's compelled to fight and actually try to win and doesn't bother trying to make the other character see reason.
Nope, he can't KO Superman with mere blasts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, he can't KO Superman with mere blasts.
You're welcome to your opinion. I happen to disagree but hey, you're you and I'm me

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're welcome to your opinion. I happen to disagree but hey, you're you and I'm me
These are facts though. Surfer has never come close to Koing someone with Superman level durability.
It'd be like koing someone who is more durable than yourself and Superman is definitely more durable than Surfer. Have you seen Surfer koing someone even as durable as himself?

It's just not happening.

Originally posted by abhilegend
These are facts though. Surfer has never come close to Koing someone with Superman level durability.
It'd be like koing someone who is more durable than yourself and Superman is definitely more durable than Surfer. Have you seen Surfer koing someone even as durable as himself?

It's just not happening.

It's not facts. We've never seen Surfer try against Supes, thus it's not a fact. Facts are indisputable, this theoretical topic isn't.

Stupid question. Does Superman have any blasts that would k.o. Surfer?

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not facts. We've never seen Surfer try against Supes, thus it's not a fact. Facts are indisputable, this theoretical topic isn't.
He has better objective feats than Surfer does. So yes, it is. Originally posted by Facee
Stupid question. Does Superman have any blasts that would k.o. Surfer?
Yes, heat vision.

Originally posted by Facee
Stupid question. Does Superman have any blasts that would k.o. Surfer?

His heat vision might, depending on who's writing. It did get used to seal up a tear in space, hurt Weird in his intangible state, and collapsed Blaze's hell dimension (The soul he was rescueing said "That's like using a water gun on a whale!", yet it somehow started a chain reaction that blew up the place.)

Originally posted by Facee
Stupid question. Does Superman have any blasts that would k.o. Surfer?

Superman's heat vision has actually taken out characters like Despero and Imperiex Probes, legitimate team busters, ko'd Wonder Woman, and stalemated Omega Beams from Darkseid just to name a few. I think its got a good chance.

Nah HV wouldn't be enough. Between Surfer's inherent durability, his immunity to heat, the reflective nature of his skin combined with HVs tendency to reflect off of things like mirrors, it simply wouldn't be enough to do the job.

Originally posted by cdtm
His heat vision might, depending on who's writing. It did get used to seal up a tear in space, hurt Weird in his intangible state, and collapsed Blaze's hell dimension (The soul he was rescueing said "That's like using a water gun on a whale!", yet it somehow started a chain reaction that blew up the place.)

Superman was the size of a Galaxy when be sealed up a tear in space. That can not be used as a showing for normal Supes. A child would know this.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nah HV wouldn't be enough. Between Surfer's inherent durability, his immunity to heat, the reflective nature of his skin combined with HVs tendency to reflect off of things like mirrors, it simply wouldn't be enough to do the job.

Tell that to Firelord who has koed Surfer thrice with heat based attacks.

HV has blasted through kryptoninans who are the best energy absorbers of solar radiation. Surfer isn't tanking that.

Here is Superman taking down Captain Atom with HV.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/cD-niJfRiI6EATRBtuRHpu- hbJv_ChU_AKLIZDS50GAQHuMvOFtbosdqQg3W2_S_ju_ue4vdK
Xz6=s1600

Or literally slagging Major Force.

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/supermanmoment11.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/supermanmoment12.jpg

Or countering absolute zero with heat lol.

http://i.imgur.com/3BxbW4f.png

And Dilustel (the metal) automatically absorbs any energy unlike Surfer.

Surfer isn't immune to heat either, I'd like you to prove that.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman was the size of a Galaxy when be sealed up a tear in space. That can not be used as a showing for normal Supes. A child would know this.
The tear was that large too. The size didn't power up his heat vision

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell that to Firelord who has koed Surfer thrice with heat based attacks.

HV has blasted through kryptoninans who are the best energy absorbers of solar radiation. Surfer isn't tanking that.

Here is Superman taking down Captain Atom with HV.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/cD-niJfRiI6EATRBtuRHpu- hbJv_ChU_AKLIZDS50GAQHuMvOFtbosdqQg3W2_S_ju_ue4vdK
Xz6=s1600

Or literally slagging Major Force.

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/supermanmoment11.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/supermanmoment12.jpg

Or countering absolute zero with heat lol.

http://i.imgur.com/3BxbW4f.png

And Dilustel (the metal) automatically absorbs any energy unlike Surfer.

Surfer isn't immune to heat either, I'd like you to prove that.

Firelord's fire is a product of Galactus's alien science, that's why it has the potential to affect Surfer. Such a thing has been specifically noted.

And sure he's immune to heat...

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/comicsage/media/bWVkaWFJZDoxMTM0NjIwNQ==/?ref=

"no temperature can affect me"

Originally posted by darthgoober
Firelord's fire is a product of Galactus's alien science, that's why it has the potential to affect Surfer. Such a thing has been specifically noted.

It was only due to being hotter than stars.

HV is also hotter than stars.




That's like saying no force in the universe can stop superman.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanStrengthNoForce.jpg

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/24205633_SS_v3_023_14a.jpg

Sorry, you were saying something? Why is Surfer exclaiming like a pig that a dragon's fire burns when he is totally immune to heat?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nah HV wouldn't be enough. Between Surfer's inherent durability, his immunity to heat, the reflective nature of his skin combined with HVs tendency to reflect off of things like mirrors, it simply wouldn't be enough to do the job. Surfer is resistant to heat. He isn't immune. Let's not use a no limits fallacy. Superman's hv can reach temperatures thousands of times hotter than the sun. Surfer never experienced such heat. In character, Superman would never blast Surfer with such heat.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's well above Surfer's average. It's only fair to use Superman's above average feats. If that's the case then Superman has durability feats that far exceeds surviving planet destroying blasts.

Is your question related to average Surfer (his average blasts)? No, the question isn't "would", but "could". Using high end showings of Surfer's blasts against an average Superman is fair game.

Put another way, answering this question as "Surfer could not hurt Superman with blasts" sounds dumb AF. Surfer can output blast power well above what has harmed Superman.

This is a ridiculously low bar for any high herald to reach.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your ignorance knows no bounds. Thanos is well above Superman in terms of durability. It isn't even close. Originally posted by RealityWarper
True.


That's surprising coming from two ignorant flakes like you guys. You should both get together and have butt sex.

Originally posted by Stoic
That's surprising coming from two ignorant flakes like you guys. You should both get together and have butt sex. Personal attacks don't excuse your ignorance. Thanos has and always will be ahead of Superman. Thanos is the kind of massive threat super teams were formed to combat. Simple logic exposes the futility of your asinine stance.

Why is the fight b/n Surfer and Thor during Mighty Thor always brought up in regards to Surfer's blasting power?
Both of their durability and damage soak seemed to be on the high end the way they just ate up attacks during that battle. Hell Thor wacked Surfer with what seemed to be hellacious shots, but Surfer just kept getting back up like a child was hitting him. Same goes for his attacks on Thor.

Heat Vision isn't simply heat.... You don't hurt The Weird in his intangible state without something special.

Originally posted by cdtm
Heat Vision isn't simply heat.... You don't hurt The Weird in his intangible state without something special.

You would think by now that more people would realise that. Just goes to show how many don't actually read the comics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Personal attacks don't excuse your ignorance. Thanos has and always will be ahead of Superman. Thanos is the kind of massive threat super teams were formed to combat. Simple logic exposes the futility of your asinine stance.

My ignorance would know no bounds if I believed that no character in all of comics could come close to being as unbeatable as your version of Thanos. Give it a rest. As it stands, every character in comics with high durability stole a page out of Superman's book. Yes this includes that newer guy named Thanos.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, heat vision.

Surfer survives the destruction of 6th universe and is not KOed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? Who has Surfer killed or koed in Superman level durability class?

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Tales-to-Astonish-1959/Issue-93?id=31041#9

Originally posted by Stoic
My ignorance would know no bounds if I believed that no character in all of comics could come close to being as unbeatable as your version of Thanos. Give it a rest. As it stands, every character in comics with high durability stole a page out of Superman's book. Yes this includes that newer guy named Thanos. What is this stole a page out of his playbook. You're too biased to see clearly. Durability is durability. Who cares who is an older character. That has nothing to do with anything. This shows you have no objectivity.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Surfer survives the destruction of 6th universe and is not KOed.
Surfer was inside Galactus ship. It wasn't produced as a durability feat at all. Originally posted by TheHulkster
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Tales-to-Astonish-1959/Issue-93?id=31041#9
Hulk has been given formidability upgrade since then and he has said this in universe.

Nowadays Hulk simply wades through Surfer's blasts.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Firelord's fire is a product of Galactus's alien science, that's why it has the potential to affect Surfer. Such a thing has been specifically noted.

And sure he's immune to heat...

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/comicsage/media/bWVkaWFJZDoxMTM0NjIwNQ==/?ref=

"no temperature can affect me"
Also, Kang has burned through his silver skin.

https://s6.postimg.org/ocrx48pr5/image.jpg

Must be immune to heat, eh?

Burning through something doesn't necessarily imply heat.

What does that have to do with whether or not Surfer's blasting power can hurt Superman tho?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Burning through something doesn't necessarily imply heat.


What? He used a laser to burn through his skin. What does that imply?

Goober thinks HV can't even hurt Surfer because he is immune to heat.

Wait for it, because Surfer said so.

Laser beams have no temperature.

What does that have to do with whether or not Surfer can hurt Superman?

There is a separate thread for that.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Laser beams have no temperature.


Are you sure?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_beam_welding



Well yes, but nobody explained that to Goober.

Surfer's not being hit by a laser cutter obviously.

Seeing as it's purple and covering a wide area.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Surfer's not being hit by a laser cutter obviously.

Seeing as it's purple and covering a wide area.
ermm

Is that an actual argument? Because it's purple and wide it can't be laser?

What did Surfer mean by "burning" through his silver skin then?

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Is that an actual argument? Because it's purple and wide it can't be laser?

What did Surfer mean by "burning" through his silver skin then?

Yeah I have no argument lmao

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yeah I have no argument lmao



At least you are honest. And yeah, Surfer is real immune to heat.

https://s6.postimg.org/jkmp6la75/image.jpg

Abraxas' minions burned him alive after all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Personal attacks don't excuse your ignorance. Thanos has and always will be ahead of Superman. Thanos is the kind of massive threat super teams were formed to combat. Simple logic exposes the futility of your asinine stance.

Seconded. The insults are a bit ridiculous.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oTNbkHqGlHU/WPcgdspbsdI/AAAAAAADTnI/SzgY9sGw7LgacTrlKHy4ZoSeLofoljdzQCLcB/s1600/006_004.jpg

If this couln't put him down, SS blasts won't hurt him much. This overly ridiculous feat showcased that current Superman would tank every blasts the DB Supercast can dish out at him and counter it with his HV, so lol at SS blasts...

I still don't get how something like this made it into a comic.

That certainly looks like it hurts Superman tho

Originally posted by krisblaze
That certainly looks like it hurts Superman tho
It was entire GL CPB, Speed Force, power of Greek pantheon, magic of Atlantis and entire timestream.

That's a ridiculous durability feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was entire GL CPB, Speed Force, power of Greek pantheon, magic of Atlantis and entire timestream.

That's a ridiculous durability feat.

Scene is skeptical.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was entire GL CPB, Speed Force, power of Greek pantheon, magic of Atlantis and entire timestream.

That's a ridiculous durability feat.

It is.

Originally posted by carver9
Scene is skeptical.
Originally posted by krisblaze
It is.
Somebody tell carver though.

Originally posted by krisblaze
That certainly looks like it hurts Superman tho

Yes it did but it should have vaporized him tbh. That was too ridiculous.

But nothing will ever vaporize Superman.

So that point is moot.

This is why, imo, we should be careful comparing heroes from different comic universes. Not only is there the writer's intent for a particular story, but how the hero measures up in their respective universe. Superman is not just DC's flagship character, he is the icon of the whole superhero genre. He is supposed to always save the day. What other hero, eg, would warrant the "Thought Robot" treatment?

Surfer is not on this scale. First off, he is not even an A-list character in Marvel (let alone flagship), and stories about him rarely focus on his sheer brute power. Surfer is essentially a philosophical mouthpiece (why Stan Lee favors him), thus writers are not as *inspired* to take him to No-Other-Hero-Could-Do-This limits. I'm not even sure who Marvel's entry would be in this category. Sentry? WBH? But even then, these two don't have the inspirational aura Superman has. That would probably go to Captain America, and he, certainly, doesn't have that level of brute power.

This is why I go by averages + a gut-feeling when making such comparisons. Surfer and Superman can hurt each other.

I thought he was a literal puppet as explained in the book through their connection from the ritual.

It was shown multiple times how he reacted like a puppet throughout.

Pretty sure the act of Barda blocking Grail's omegas halted baby ds's attack on the JL.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35657962/Justice_League_2011-_050-026.jpg.html

Or when he staggered the exact same way when Grail staggered from Barda's attack.

There's also that panel where his body is in a similar pose to Grail's as she was getting kicked by Wondy.

Also check out the part where DS has his body in the same exact position when Wondy had Grail trapped with the lasso and her omegas were hitting Myrinnas shield. DS is seen with the same body positioning while his omegas meet calrk's hv.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought he was a literal puppet as explained in the book through their connection from the ritual.

It was shown multiple times how he reacted like a puppet throughout.

Pretty sure the act of Barda blocking Grail's omegas halted baby ds's attack on the JL.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35657962/Justice_League_2011-_050-026.jpg.html

Or when he staggered the exact same way when Grail staggered from Barda's attack.

There's also that panel where his body is in a similar pose to Grail's as she was getting kicked by Wondy.

Also check out the part where DS has his body in the same exact position when Wondy had Grail trapped with the lasso and her omegas were hitting Myrinnas shield. DS is seen with the same body positioning while his omegas meet calrk's hv.
And?

and?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer was inside Galactus ship. It wasn't produced as a durability feat at all.
Hulk has been given formidability upgrade since then and he has said this in universe.

Nowadays Hulk simply wades through Surfer's blasts.

Clearly Surfer cleaves to the outside of the ship.

https://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SILVSURF3-580x880.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
and?
And? Originally posted by TheHulkster
Clearly Surfer cleaves to the outside of the ship.

https://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SILVSURF3-580x880.jpg
He is inside the ship in the second panel as he himself says that they need to cleave the ship. Not to mention its not shown as a durability feat.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Clearly Surfer cleaves to the outside of the ship.

https://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SILVSURF3-580x880.jp Abhi doesn't understand clear cut scans.

When it says that "we must cleave to the ship", it simply meant that they must hang on tight to the ship (according to artistic perspective.)

If there were no pictures however, it would mean that they were to become one with the ship. The artist seems to have been unable to perfectly reproduce what the writer intended.

Cleave both means 'to cut completely through' and 'to cling to'. You only use 'cleave to' in the second sense, to cling on to something.

So he clung on to Galactus' ship.

Originally posted by Smurph
Cleave both means 'to cut through' and 'to cling to'. You only use 'cleave to' in the second sense, to cling on to something.

So he clung on to Galactus' ship.

It also means to become one with.

Originally posted by Stoic
It also means to become one with. It means to become closely attached, which could be taken to the step of becoming one with, or just to stick closely to something, like a firm grasp or glue.

It's a weird word for this situation. /srug

Originally posted by abhilegend
And?

And then?

The answer is no, Surfer cant do more than stagger Superman at best.

Death said it was no illusion, so no.

the ss feat seems....not terribly impressive depicted the way it was. seems they just rode it out under the protection of the ship somehow. at the very least it's pretty ambiguous. even the way the speech bubble breaks up in that second panel seems to allude to the idea that he is in the ship...somehow. i wouldn't be comfortable touting that as a durability feat, but what do i know? /shrug

Surfer was clearly outside the ship there. But that's not what this thread I'd about

Operator did a good job dissecting the Death showing. Wish I could find his post.

Reading this thread makes my head hurt. The bias on play is ****ing ridiculous. On both sides.

And there's a couple of you that are dangerously close to passing that point at which you become not worth the trouble of putting up with in future. Some have been banned before. Some haven't. You know who you are.

Closed.