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Both at full power. Both bloodlusted. Fight in a football stadium. No BFR, fight cannot leave the confines of the football stadium. Superman is allowed to fly as high as the top of the stadium but no further.

stalemate; without Kryptonite or Surtur utilized neither can be killed.

if you take both of those plot elements out however then its a win for Hela as she had Majin Buu level regen and instant weapon generation abilities; even if Supes is much faster/stronger theres nothing he could do to kill her

Clark got pierced by Doomsdays spikes, and KoEd by a nuke

He can be hurt without Kryptonite

Hela rage stomps.

Originally posted by carthage
Clark got pierced by Doomsdays spikes, and KoEd by a nuke

He can be hurt without Kryptonite

he was only pierced because he was in close proximity to Kryptonite

Originally posted by relentless1
he was only pierced because he was in close proximity to Kryptonite Dude was ko'd by a tower in man of steel. Stfu you clown. Hela rapes this nitwit.

hela

Originally posted by relentless1
stalemate; without Kryptonite or Surtur utilized neither can be killed.

if you take both of those plot elements out however then its a win for Hela as she had Majin Buu level regen and instant weapon generation abilities; even if Supes is much faster/stronger theres nothing he could do to kill her

Superman could use the heat vision to melt her if possible, he is faster and superior on strength, also with longer attack range. Hela's melee attack and dagger throwing could not hit him.

Originally posted by carthage
Clark got pierced by Doomsdays spikes, and KoEd by a nuke

He can be hurt without Kryptonite

And he still came back with the yellow sun.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Superman could use the heat vision to melt her if possible, he is faster and superior on strength, also with longer attack range. Hela's melee attack and dagger throwing could not hit him. Batman hit the guy.

He wasn't fast enough to avoid Doomsday.

quan you really don't like to face the truths of plot specifics do ya?

Spite thread. Superman is vastly outmatched, even in strength. The only thing he has going for him is flight but that's irrelevant when Hela can SPAM those blades like a video game. And as Hulk showed us, it's not just Thor, once a top tier gets to Asgard, their hide can be cut.

Superman wins, with ease. Hulk and Thor are basically children compared to Supermans vast strength and durability (Tanked a planet buster.) Probably nothing Hela can do against heat vision.

Originally posted by relentless1
quan you really don't like to face the truths of plot specifics do ya? I argue based off the facts. I used to hear nonsense all the time and we see Batman then solo the pile of shit himself. Superman based off the facts can't hold a candle to Hela.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman wins, with ease. Hulk and Thor are basically children compared to Supermans vast strength and durability (Tanked a planet buster.) Probably nothing Hela can do against heat vision. You are retarded as ****. Superman didn't do shit in his film. We see him struggle against peers, get beaten by a human with weakness exploitation, pass out due to muscle fatigue holding up a tower, and temp ko'd by a Knian laser. Doomsday was greater than he was as well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Spite thread. Superman is vastly outmatched, even in strength. The only thing he has going for him is flight but that's irrelevant when Hela can SPAM those blades like a video game. And as Hulk showed us, it's not just Thor, once a top tier gets to Asgard, their hide can be cut.

Hela has quite little strength factor compare to Superman.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Hela has quite little strength factor compare to Superman.

She crushed Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Silent Master
She crushed Mjolnir.

through magic not strength

Originally posted by relentless1
through magic not strength

That's right. Hela had to use magic where Superman would crush it with strength.

Originally posted by relentless1
through magic not strength


Prove it.

She used her strength. There is literally not one single thing in the movie that said it was with magic. That is a complete lie.

at what point do you see her hand close around mjolnir? she stops it and holds it there and watches it explode... nothing about that scene suggests that she crushes it with her hand... the hammer actually explodes with a burst of lightning coming from it... that doesn't happen when you crush something with strength... the hand has to actually close on the object for crushing to take place...you made the claim silent so prove to us that she crushed it with strength

Originally posted by relentless1
at what point do you see her hand close around mjolnir? she stops it and holds it there and watches it explode... nothing about that scene suggests that she crushes it with her hand... the hammer actually explodes with a burst of lightning coming from it... that doesn't happen when you crush something with strength... the hand has to actually close on the object for crushing to take place...you made the claim silent so prove to us that she crushed it with strength
If you watched the scene, you clearly see her hand start to clench on the hammer and then cracks appear where her fingers are digging into it before it explodes.

are you talking about the shot in the trailer or the film because i recall it happening differently in the actual movie

Originally posted by relentless1
are you talking about the shot in the trailer or the film because i recall it happening differently in the actual movie

The actual movie. I just rewatched it a few hours ago. You clearly see Hela clench the haamer causing it to bresk.

Originally posted by relentless1
at what point do you see her hand close around mjolnir? she stops it and holds it there and watches it explode... nothing about that scene suggests that she crushes it with her hand... the hammer actually explodes with a burst of lightning coming from it... that doesn't happen when you crush something with strength... the hand has to actually close on the object for crushing to take place...you made the claim silent so prove to us that she crushed it with strength

As others have already pointed out, The movie clearly shows her hand closing and the cracks appearing where her fingers are digging into Mjolnir.

Hela was overpowering Thor with one arm, she's way stronger than Superman. The Mjolnir feat was just stupid. It was forged in the heart of an exploding Star, based on that she could neck snap Superman with a squeeze of her hand.

DC fans know Superman doesn't stand a chance. Do not deny it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
DC fans know Superman doesn't stand a chance. Do not deny it.

Movie Superman beats Hela as easily as comic Superman stomps Thanos with the IG.

Originally posted by cdtm
Movie Superman beats Hela as easily as comic Superman stomps Thanos with the IG. You don't read comics or understand cinema.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hela was overpowering Thor with one arm, she's way stronger than Superman. The Mjolnir feat was just stupid. It was forged in the heart of an exploding Star, based on that she could neck snap Superman with a squeeze of her hand.

Superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor. They don't even come close and same with Hela.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor. They don't even come close and same with Hela.

Odd, seeing as Thor has better durability and damage output feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Odd, seeing as Thor has better durability and damage output feats.

Like his punch was ignored by Kurse and had a stalemate with Iron Man?

Seriously, Hela's punch couldn't even kill that Valkyrie and warrior three, obviously she was using magic to break the hammer.

People really need to stop the MCU fandom here.

Hela was badass in the movie, yes, but her strength/agility factor wasn't far above the elite asgardians. She could kill ppl because of her blades. Against someone far stronger and quicker she stands no chance.

Originally posted by relentless1
through magic not strength Prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it.

Her punches couldn't even kill the asgardians, are you saying they are tougher than the hammer?

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Her punches couldn't even kill the asgardians, are you saying they are tougher than the hammer? Superman's blows didn't even destroy Batman's upgraded suit. Superman's strength gave away to a tower. She crushed the hammer so either way she can use her magic to amp her strength. She was soloing Asgard. What has Superman done that's comparable ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman's blows didn't even destroy Batman's upgraded suit. Superman's strength gave away to a tower. She crushed the hammer so either way she can use her magic to amp her strength. She was soloing Asgard. What has Superman done that's comparable ?

Superman was holding back against Batman because he didn't want to kill him, he could destroy the World Machine without any wound. His strength and speed is far above any of the asgardians.

What impressive feat do Asgardians have? Her elite undead soldiers were soloed by the guy with 2 M16 machine guns. That's quite laughable.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Like his punch was ignored by Kurse and had a stalemate with Iron Man?

Seriously, Hela's punch couldn't even kill that Valkyrie and warrior three, obviously she was using magic to break the hammer.

That just proves how durable Kurse is and Iron-man was amped to 475% power while Thor was massively holding back as was proven when he easily crushed Iron-man's armor with his bare hands and dented it and sent IM flying backwards with a simple head-butt. and even then, that wasn't a stalemate, Tony was clearly losing.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Superman was holding back against Batman because he didn't want to kill him, he could destroy the World Machine without any wound. His strength and speed is far above any of the asgardians.

What impressive feat do Asgardians have? Her elite undead soldiers were soloed by the guy with 2 M16 machine guns. That's quite laughable. Superman was trying to hurt him and defeat him. He didn't. Laughable. Thor would definitely **** Superman up. Thor couldn't defeat Hela. Hela is higher on the food chain.

WW needed help against WW 1 soldiers.

That's the woman who hurt Doomsday.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Like his punch was ignored by Kurse and had a stalemate with Iron Man?

Seriously, Hela's punch couldn't even kill that Valkyrie and warrior three, obviously she was using magic to break the hammer.

That just proves how durable Kurse is and Iron-man was amped to 475% power while Thor was massively holding back as was proven when he easily crushed Iron-man's armor with his bare hands, plus dented it and sent IM flying backwards with a simple head-butt. and even then, that wasn't a stalemate, Tony was clearly losing.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That just proves how durable Kurse is and Iron-man was amped to 475% power while Thor was massively holding back as was proven when he easily crushed Iron-man's armor with his bare hands and dented it and sent IM flying backwards with a simple head-butt. and even then, that wasn't a stalemate, Tony was clearly losing.


Plus Thor stopped utilizing his Lightning after it already amped IM once.

PIS, but it was definitely a Nerfed Thor vs a Massively amped Iron Man, and Thor was still winning.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That just proves how durable Kurse is and Iron-man was amped to 475% power while Thor was massively holding back as was proven when he easily crushed Iron-man's armor with his bare hands and dented it and sent IM flying backwards with a simple head-butt. and even then, that wasn't a stalemate, Tony was clearly losing.

Kurse was easily pierced by Loki, yet Thor's punch makes no effect. Tony was not losing, just suffered some minor damage. He couldn't even break Loki's prison in time as well.

Superman has much stronger strength factor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman was trying to hurt him and defeat him. He didn't. Laughable. Thor would definitely **** Superman up. Thor couldn't defeat Hela. Hela is higher on the food chain.

WW needed help against WW 1 soldiers.

That's the woman who hurt Doomsday.

Superman was trying to reason with Batman was holding back.
Again drop the fandom, Superman>>>>>>>>>>Thor

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Kurse was easily pierced by Loki, yet Thor's punch makes no effect. Tony was not losing, just suffered some minor damage. He couldn't even break Loki's prison in time as well.

Superman has much stronger strength factor. Loki also pierced Thor so what's your point. Superman was unable to critically ruin Batman's suit. Thor isn't as strong as Superman but he's strong enough to hurt/ko/kill Superman. Hulk is the character who is stronger than Superman.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Kurse was easily pierced by Loki, yet Thor's punch makes no effect. Tony was not losing, just suffered some minor damage. He couldn't even break Loki's prison in time as well.

Superman has much stronger strength factor.

So what? and yes, a massively amped IM was clearly losing against a holding back Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Loki also pierced Thor so what's your point. Superman was unable to critically ruin Batman's suit. Thor isn't as strong as Superman but he's strong enough to hurt/ko/kill Superman. Hulk is the character who is stronger than Superman.

Because Superman didn't want to hurt Batman, when he goes full strength he could destroy the world machine head on. Superman is much stronger and quicker than Thor, much more than Hela does and there is no chance winning against someone who is much stronger and faster than you. Hela didn't show much magic feats as well without outside sources.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So what? and yes, a massively amped IM was clearly losing against a holding back Thor.

Iron Man wasn't on his strongest state as well. Cap and Winter Soldier could defeat him without killing him and Thor didn't. Thor couldn't even break out from the prison when he got trapped by Loki, what makes him close to Superman, who could destroy the world machine without a wound?

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Iron Man wasn't on his strongest state as well. Cap and Winter Soldier could defeat him without killing him and Thor didn't. Thor couldn't even break out from the prison when he got trapped by Loki, what makes him close to Superman, who could destroy the world machine without a wound?

Different suit and again, IM was amped to 475%. BTW, Thor easily cracked the prison when first trapped and later easily broke out once he got his bearings(after it was dropped).

You are clearly doing your best to lowball Marvel characters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Different suit and again, IM was amped to 475%. BTW, Thor easily cracked the prison when first trapped and later easily broke out once he got his bearings(after it was dropped).

You are clearly doing your best to lowball Marvel characters.
Iron Man was 100% trying to kill Bucky not holding back at all, is there any reason he doesn't put his ability to 500%? Yet Cap and Bucky could defeat him.

No, he was falling off then trying to break out, it took him a little while to even get out from the box. I wasn't lowballing them, Thor and Superman wasn't even close, simple.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Because Superman didn't want to hurt Batman, when he goes full strength he could destroy the world machine head on. Superman is much stronger and quicker than Thor, much more than Hela does and there is no chance winning against someone who is much stronger and faster than you. Hela didn't show much magic feats as well without outside sources. He wanted to beat him. He attacked him multiple times. Are you suggesting he's attracted to batman then.

Thor is a superior warrior and has attacks that would clearly hurt and defeat Superman. He isn't able to harm Hela to any significance. Superman is stronger and faster than Batman but Batman was fast enough to use weakness exploitation twice in the midst of a fight.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Iron Man was 100% trying to kill Bucky not holding back at all, is there any reason he doesn't put his ability to 500%? Yet Cap and Bucky could defeat him.

No, he was falling off then trying to break out, it took him a little while to even get out from the box. I wasn't lowballing them, Thor and Superman wasn't even close, simple.

Again, different suit. It only took Thor a while because the prison was spinning and he couldn't get his balance. once he did, Thor broke out on his first try.

You're clearly lowballing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wanted to beat him. He attacked him multiple times. Are you suggesting he's attracted to batman then.

Thor is a superior warrior and has attacks that would clearly hurt and defeat Superman. He isn't able to harm Hela to any significance. Superman is stronger and faster than Batman but Batman was fast enough to use weakness exploitation twice in the midst of a fight.

He warned against Batman and was holding back obviously, after that he was weakened by Kryptonite gas.

Just look at Thor VS Kurse fight, his attack has no effect against someone who was much stronger.

Batman was able to defeat Superman simply because Superman didn't want to kill him, otherwise he could have been dead in the beginning.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, different suit. It only took Thor a while because the prison was spinning and he couldn't get his balance. once he did, Thor broke out on his first try.

You're clearly lowballing.

Tell me how was Iron Man's CA3 suit much weaker?

And Superman could stand on under the world machine with such strong gravity, Thor couldn't even find balance in midair?

No, you guys are simply ignoring the huge gap between Superman and Thor. The undead Asgaridans were smashed by M-16 machine guns proved that Hela's feat wasn't impressive as well.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Tell me how was Iron Man's CA3 suit much weaker?

And Superman could stand on under the world machine with such strong gravity, Thor couldn't even find balance in midair?

No, you guys are simply ignoring the huge gap between Superman and Thor. The undead Asgaridans were smashed by M-16 machine guns proved that Hela's feat wasn't impressive as well.

Because the suit in Avengers had better durability feats.

Standing under a constant pressure and being in an spinning object are two completely different things.

Yes, you're clearly lowballing Marvel characters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because the suit in Avengers had better durability feats.

Standing under a constant pressure and being in an spinning object are two completely different things.

Yes, you're clearly lowballing Marvel characters.

Proof that his CA3 armor wasn't more durable?

Standing under a much much stronger gravity pressure is much harder than stay in the spinning cage. Superman wouldn't even get hurt even if the box fall to the ground.

No, I'm just pointing out that Hela isn't close to Superman.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Proof that his CA3 armor wasn't more durable?

Standing under a much much stronger gravity pressure is much harder than stay in the spinning cage. Superman wouldn't even get hurt even if the box fall to the ground.

No, I'm just pointing out that Hela isn't close to Superman.

Because the Avengers armor had far better durability feats.

No, it's not.

By massively lowballing her and other Marvel characters.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Because Superman didn't want to hurt Batman, when he goes full strength he could destroy the world machine head on. Superman is much stronger and quicker than Thor, much more than Hela does and there is no chance winning against someone who is much stronger and faster than you. Hela didn't show much magic feats as well without outside sources.

That's right. The world buster feat is beyond Thor or Hulk.

Just like in comics, Supermam is by far the most powerful character out there. His "low end" points are him holding back, or learning his powers.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
He warned against Batman and was holding back obviously, after that he was weakened by Kryptonite gas.

Just look at Thor VS Kurse fight, his attack has no effect against someone who was much stronger.

Batman was able to defeat Superman simply because Superman didn't want to kill him, otherwise he could have been dead in the beginning. He did warn Batman but he still attacked him afterwards. After he was weakened he regained his strength and struck Batman. He didn't strike him hard enough to disable him before Batman could use a weapon to weaken him again.

This was prior to Thor's Odin type awakening.

Speculation. If you're that much more powerful you should be able to defeat a guy without killing him before he uses weakness exploitation twice in the midst of their fight. Superman fans argue out of their imaginations I use the facts.

This went well.....

Originally posted by abhilegend
This went well..... Hela wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because the Avengers armor had far better durability feats.

No, it's not.

By massively lowballing her and other Marvel characters.

Based on what? You are using your point as your reason now?

Yes it is, Superman would simply fly out of the cage instead of losing balance. He was able to stand on greater pressure as well.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Based on what? You are using your point as your reason now?

Yes it is, Superman would simply fly out of the cage instead of losing balance. He was able to stand on greater pressure as well.

I've already told you.

Prove that Superman could stand in a spinning prison without losing balance.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I've already told you.

Prove that Superman could stand in a spinning prison without losing balance.

No, there was no proof.

Superman was able to stand under the super pressure of the World Machine and blast it to pieces, I don't see how a spinning cage could provide him any trouble. Superman >>>>>>>Thor.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
No, there was no proof.

Superman was able to stand under the super pressure of the World Machine and blast it to pieces, I don't see how a spinning cage could provide him any trouble. Superman >>>>>>>Thor.

The suit's durability feats in Avengers are far better than the ones from Civil War, thus the Avengers suit is more durable.

Prove Superman wouldn't have a problem keeping his balance in a spinning prison.

Hela wins honestly.

Not even Thor with the Odin Force could beat her!

Even Surtur wouldn't defeat her....

MOS loses this one.

Superman can beat all of those guys though.

When did abhi hack cdtm's account?

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman can beat all of those guys though.

He would have trouble with Thor and Surtur. And Hela is clearly above them by far.

Hela stomps.

Superman gets impaled!

Originally posted by Silent Master
When did abhi hack cdtm's account?

Abhi's a poser. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/starwars.gif

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hela wins honestly.

Not even Thor with the Odin Force could beat her!

Even Surtur wouldn't defeat her....

MOS loses this one. Surtur did defeat Hela. He was superior to her.

Lol @ spinning prison conversation. Like how do you not understand the difference?

Originally posted by Silent Master
The suit's durability feats in Avengers are far better than the ones from Civil War, thus the Avengers suit is more durable.

Prove Superman wouldn't have a problem keeping his balance in a spinning prison.
Again no proof other than Thor and Cap/Bucky.

Superman could endure much worse situation, proved much more on strength and speed factor.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He would have trouble with Thor and Surtur. And Hela is clearly above them by far.

Hela stomps.

Superman gets impaled!

Superman is much stronger and faster, with such advantage, the blades would be like slow motion to him. He could simply punch Hela over and over till her healing factor could not catch up with the injury.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surtur did defeat Hela. He was superior to her.

Hmmm. I doubt she died though. She will most likely appear like nothing happened in Infinity War.

Nah she never tried to dodge Surtur's sword.

A fight in where Hela fight Surtur in another planet (Where Asgard isn't in danger) Hela would probably prevail.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Superman is much stronger and faster, with such advantage, the blades would be like slow motion to him. He could simply punch Hela over and over till her healing factor could not catch up with the injury.

I don't see how! Hela took it against entire armies of Asgardian soldiers and Valkyries like nothing.

Considering how fast Asgardians are, it's evident she is very fast.

Superman gets impaled. He doesn't have a clear advantage in speed to make it matter.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hmmm. I doubt she died though. She will most likely appear like nothing happened in Infinity War.

Nah she never tried to dodge Surtur's sword.

A fight in where Hela fight Surtur in another planet (Where Asgard isn't in danger) Hela would probably prevail. As of now with all things considered Aurtur was beyond her.

No, the implication was clear she wasn't able to stop Surtur at full power. There's no dodging that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
As of now with all things considered Aurtur was beyond her.

No, the implication was clear she wasn't able to stop Surtur at full power. There's no dodging that.

But Surtur had to give a quick blow to Asgard!

If Hela would have gotten more time Surtur would have fallen!

Surtur didn't win because of him being more powerful, but because he was fast enough to give the blow before being killed by Hela!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
But Surtur had to give a quick blow to Asgard!

If Hela would have gotten more time Surtur would have fallen!

Surtur didn't win because of him being more powerful, but because he was fast enough to give the blow before being killed by Hela! Nothing about Surtur was fast. Hela had time to land her attacks and it didn't do much of anything to Surtur. Surtur was portrayed as too much for Hela. He proved that by defeated her.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Again no proof other than Thor and Cap/Bucky.

Superman could endure much worse situation, proved much more on strength and speed factor.


Yea. no proof, other than the multiple better durability feats in the Avengers.

I asked for proof, not your massively biased opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nothing about Surtur was fast. Hela had time to land her attacks and it didn't do much of anything to Surtur. Surtur was portrayed as too much for Hela. He proved that by defeated her.

Surtur was affected by her blows. A couple more of those and Surtur might be in trouble.

Again, Surtur attack was fast. The fight wasnt a long one.

Still we dont know if Hela died.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I don't see how! Hela took it against entire armies of Asgardian soldiers and Valkyries like nothing.

Considering how fast Asgardians are, it's evident she is very fast.

Superman gets impaled. He doesn't have a clear advantage in speed to make it matter.

And Eomer took Hela's undead army like nothing as well, with 2 M-16 machine guns.

The elite undead Asgardians were vulnerable against machine guns and couldn't dodge it. Don't compare them with the Kryptonians.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
And Eomer took Hela's undead army like nothing as well, with 2 M-16 machine guns.

The elite undead Asgardians were vulnerable against machine guns and couldn't dodge it. Don't compare them with the Kryptonians.

Dont compare a Dead Asgardian with a Live one.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea. no proof, other than the multiple better durability feats in the Avengers.

I asked for proof, not your massively biased opinion.

What feat again other than Thor and Cap+Bucky?

Superman showed much better strength and speed factor in MoS than any of the Asgardians. All Hela did was beating Asgardians and we saw even the undead elite Asgaridans were like garbage before

2 M16 machine guns.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
And Eomer took Hela's undead army like nothing as well, with 2 M-16 machine guns.

The elite undead Asgardians were vulnerable against machine guns and couldn't dodge it. Don't compare them with the Kryptonians. Knians aka Superman passed out due to sucked strain holding up a tower.



Weak.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Dont compare a Dead Asgardian with a Live one.


They were the veteran elites who followed Odin and Hela to conquer the world. Obviously they were stronger than average Asgardian soldiers, even Heimdall was almost killed by a couple of them.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
What feat again other than Thor and Cap+Bucky?

Superman showed much better strength and speed factor in MoS than any of the Asgardians. All Hela did was beating Asgardians and we saw even the undead elite Asgaridans were like garbage before

2 M16 machine guns.

If you had seen the movie you wouldn't have to ask what feats, so if you'll admit to not having seen the movie, I'll explain what feats I'm talking about in detail.

Again, I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked for proof that Superman could keep his balance in a spinning object.

Dead Asgardians that had been decomposing for at least 1,000 years.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you had seen the movie you wouldn't have to ask what feats, so if you'll admit to not having seen the movie, I'll explain what feats I'm talking about in detail.

Again, I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked for proof that Superman could keep his balance in a spinning object.

Dead Asgardians that had been decomposing for at least 1,000 years.

I've seen it for a couple times. I don't see a big difference between Iron Man's suit durability other than the scene against Thor/Cap+Bucky.

He was able to keep in shape in very very bad environment, why would he have trouble to simply fly out of a cage.

These Asgardians were the elite soldiers died in the conquest of Asgard, they were obviously very stronger, quite a few Asgardian soldiers were killed by them, even Heimdall was almost killed by a couple of them. The Asgardians were nowhere close to the Kryptonians, who could take on heavy air+land forces with ease.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
They were the veteran elites who followed Odin and Hela to conquer the world. Obviously they were stronger than average Asgardian soldiers, even Heimdall was almost killed by a couple of them.

No! They are stupid and weaker. Like Zombies.

They don't show the kind of feats Asgardians like Lady Sif, or Thor's Gang did. Also a normal machine gun wouldn't pose a threat to a normal Asgardian.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
I've seen it for a couple times. I don't see a big difference between Iron Man's suit durability other than the scene against Thor/Cap+Bucky.

Just the scene with Thor would be enough as he gets hit hard enough to destroy a tree without a scratch and withstood a shock wave that uprooted multiple trees.

Edit: However IM also survived getting stuck in the helicarrier's turbine, where he was getting hit by multi-ton blades moving at speed.



Standing under a heavy weight is completely different than keeping your balance in a spinning object.



They were corpses that had been decomposing for at least a thousand years and no, Heimdall wasn't almost killed by a couple of them.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No! They are stupid and weaker. Like Zombies.

They don't show the kind of feats Asgardians like Lady Sif, or Thor's Gang did. Also a normal machine gun wouldn't pose a threat to a normal Asgardian.

No, we saw quite a few Asgardians including soldiers got killed by them, Heimdall would have been dead if not for Loki's buddies arriving.

These undead were the elite soldiers, revived by Hela and the eternal flame's power, not just some zombies.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
No, we saw quite a few Asgardians including soldiers got killed by them, Heimdall would have been dead if not for Loki's buddies arriving.

These undead were the elite soldiers, revived by Hela and the eternal flame's power, not just some zombies.

Due to numbers not them being better than a normal Asgardian.

Elite but dead. They are zombis. Their bodies are also weaker.

1 normal Asgardians = 2 Zombi's i'd dear to say.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just the scene with Thor would be enough as he gets hit hard enough to destroy a tree without a scratch and withstood a shock wave that uprooted multiple trees.
So what? That means Thor's punch wasn't strong enough compare to Cap+Bucky.

You are trying to use same thing to prove what you need to prove here.



Since even such strong pressure could not stop Superman, then I don't see the spinning could throw Superman out of balance.




They were elite soldiers and revived by the power of Hela+the eternal flame. They posed a big threat to the remaining Asgardians, yes Heimdall was almost killed if not for Loki's buddies arriving.

We saw how they fight the Asgardians, they were very strong.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Due to numbers not them being better than a normal Asgardian.

Elite but dead. They are zombis. Their bodies are also weaker.

1 normal Asgardians = 2 Zombi's i'd dear to say.

Heimdall had ppl helping him and he would have been dead there. Eomer killed all of the remaining undead with ease without any help. Heimdall<<<<2 M16 machine guns.

They are revived by the eternal flame magic, there were many fighting scenes in the movie, they are not weaker than normal Asgardians at all.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
So what? That means Thor's punch wasn't strong enough compare to Cap+Bucky.

You are trying to use same thing to prove what you need to prove here.

No, that proves you're lowballing. Cap and Bucky have zero feats that even come close to hitting someone through a tree.



Your opinion isn't proof.



Nothing you state here refutes any of my points.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, that proves you're lowballing. Cap and Bucky have zero feats that even come close to hitting someone through a tree.

They were able to break out Iron Man's armor, that's enough.




Yes, if Superman could hold on such strong force, the spinning would not affect him at all.




The elite undead Asgardians could be soloed by machine guns, that pretty much means Hela's feats wasn't impressive against Kryptonians like Superman, who is much stronger and faster.

All you're doing is proving that you're a massively biased fanboy.

let's be objective here. hela just can't be hurt much by superman. she inst-regens. her reaction speed is quick as hell. she seemingly can pull an unlimited amount of weapons out of thin air.

supes is dying. stop the fanboy shiit.

DC fans just give into Marvel superiority. This isn't close.

she was quite a bit faster than thor and she wasn't even taking him seriously. all the supe guys have is speed but that's not working her because hela has incredible reaction speed. she's the physical superior to superman. she's crushing him

Originally posted by Raisen
let's be objective here. hela just can't be hurt much by superman. she inst-regens. her reaction speed is quick as hell. she seemingly can pull an unlimited amount of weapons out of thin air.

supes is dying. stop the fanboy shiit.

Proof? Hela never suffer much strong physical impact injury other than some Asgardian level attack.

Superman, on the other hand is much much stronger and faster, he could keep punch Hela until she could not catch up anymore.

Originally posted by Raisen
she was quite a bit faster than thor and she wasn't even taking him seriously. all the supe guys have is speed but that's not working her because hela has incredible reaction speed. she's the physical superior to superman. she's crushing him

And Thor is much much slower than Superman. Even under the World Machine's pressure, Superman could still burst it out with very high speed/power.

Hela didn't show much physical strength compare to the DCEU characters. She couldn't even punch any of the warrior 3 to death. And Asgardians could be instantly killed by M16. So I doubt her blades could cause trouble to Superman.

Hela crushed Mjolnir, that is both a strength and durability feat. BTW, no normal Asgardian has ever been injured by a bullet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hela crushed Mjolnir, that is both a strength and durability feat. BTW, no normal Asgardian has ever been injured by a bullet.

And her punch couldn't kill any of the Asgardians, try something better.

The elite undead Asgardians with the eternal flame were soloed by M16, worked better than any of the Asgardian weapons.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
And her punch couldn't kill any of the Asgardians, try something better.

The elite undead Asgardians with the eternal flame were soloed by M16, worked better than any of the Asgardian weapons.

Great, you just proved that they have the durability to withstand someone that is strong enough to crush Mjolnir. which puts them well above most DCEU characters.

Undead Asgardians that had been decomposing for over 1,000 years. name one living Asgardian that has been injured by a bullet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Great, you just proved that they have the durability to withstand someone that is strong enough to crush Mjolnir. which puts them well above most DCEU characters.

Undead Asgardians that had been decomposing for over 1,000 years. name one living Asgardian that has been injured by a bullet.

No, that proved that Hela didn't have such strength, she just used magic to break it up. Unless you are saying that breaking Mjoinir just require M16 to do so.

Those elite undead soldiers were revived with the magic of Hela+Eternal flame. They were extremely strong towards the living Asgardians, many of them were killed by these undead, even Heimdall was close. We can see in the end, normal Asgardians were no match for them otherwise it would not require Loki's help or Eomer using M16 to burst them out.

Seriously, I don't understand why would some ppl still trying to say any of the Thor characters were super powerful(minus the infinity gems) when 2 M16 proved to be more useful than most of their weapons combined together.

Hela was strong enough to crush Mjolnir, all you're doing is proving that the durability of living Asgardians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead Asgardians that have been decomposing for over a 1,000 years. that and most DCEU characters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hela was strong enough to crush Mjolnir, all you're doing is proving that the durability of living Asgardians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead Asgardians that have been decomposing for over a 1,000 years. that and most DCEU characters.
She was using magic to do it. By that logic Vision is much stronger than the Hulk because he could hold it up.

No, many living Asgardians were cut down easily by those undead, again they were revived with eternal flame and almost killed all those people if not for Loki's men and the M16 guns.

M16>>>>>>>>>> So many Asgardians, including Heimdall.

Superman is in another league.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
She was using magic to do it. By that logic Vision is much stronger than the Hulk because he could hold it up.

No, many living Asgardians were cut down easily by those undead, again they were revived with eternal flame and almost killed all those people if not for Loki's men and the M16 guns.

M16>>>>>>>>>> So many Asgardians, including Heimdall.

Superman is in another league. Based on ?

You're ignoring Superman's showings and making baseless claims. He doesn't have any strength showings comparable to the destruction of the hammer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

You're ignoring Superman's showings and making baseless claims. He doesn't have any strength showings comparable to the destruction of the hammer.

Based on the strength and speed factor.

Again this is magic, Hela's punch couldn't even kill any of the Asgardians and M16 could solo swarms of elite undead warriors.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
She was using magic to do it. By that logic Vision is much stronger than the Hulk because he could hold it up.

No, many living Asgardians were cut down easily by those undead, again they were revived with eternal flame and almost killed all those people if not for Loki's men and the M16 guns.

M16>>>>>>>>>> So many Asgardians, including Heimdall.

Superman is in another league.

Prove she used magic to destroy Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Based on the strength and speed factor.

Again this is magic, Hela's punch couldn't even kill any of the Asgardians and M16 could solo swarms of elite undead warriors. What strength showings ? He doesn't try to kill and Batman survived his attacks. Whether it's magic or strength doesn't matter as she's able to destroy the hammer. Superman failed against a regular tower just holding it up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove she used magic to destroy Mjolnir.

Her physical strength wasn't even close to directly kill any of the Asgardians and M16 could kill swarms in seconds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What strength showings ? He doesn't try to kill and Batman survived his attacks. Whether it's magic or strength doesn't matter as she's able to destroy the hammer. Superman failed against a regular tower just holding it up.


Because he didn't want to use his full strength, when he wanted to release his full power he could destroy the world machine from head on.

I asked for proof, not your biased opinion.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I asked for proof, not your biased opinion.

This is proof, it's not my opinion that M16 killed so many undead Asgardians within seconds and Hela's punch couldn't kill other Asgardians, she had to rely on her weapons.

Your opinion isn't proof.

Seriously, I can't believe these people are still arguing for the Asgardians when 2 M16 provided much better use than hundreds of them.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Seriously, I can't believe these people are still arguing for the Asgardians when 2 M16 provided much better use than hundreds of them.

No living Asgardian was taken out by an M16.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Because he didn't want to use his full strength, when he wanted to release his full power he could destroy the world machine from head on. It isn't in character for him to try to kill from the onset so why you're arguing he goes for the kill here shows a complete lack of understanding regarding the hero. The world machine isn't Hela. When she wa Ted to she destroyed the hammer. When she wanted to she solo's Asgard's army. Hela is merciless Superman isn't. He also failed at the end of Batman v. Superman. Hela kills him the moment she wants to.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No living Asgardian was taken out by an M16.

And the undead ones are the elite Asgardians with the eternal flame's magic. They would have killed at least hundreds of living Asgardians without Loki's buddies and the M16, which obliterated them in seconds.

They spent over a 1,000 years decomposing, you have zero proof that they have the same durability as living Asgardians.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They spent over a 1,000 years decomposing, you have zero proof that they have the same durability as living Asgardians.

And they were faster and stronger than most of the Asgardians. Stop using the excuse, they had the eternal flame buff.

We base things on feats and even Asgardians farmers have better durability feats than those undead soldiers, thus by the rules of this board. Living Asgardians >>>> Undead Asgardians in durability.

BTW, you still haven't proven that Hela used magic to crush Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We base things on feats and even Asgardians farmers have better durability feats than those undead soldiers, thus by the rules of this board. Living Asgardians >>>> Undead Asgardians in durability.

BTW, you still haven't proven that Hela used magic to crush Mjolnir.

No, those Asgardians were afraid of the undead soldiers. Hundreds of them <<<< 2 M16 guns.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
No, those Asgardians were afraid of the undead soldiers. Hundreds of them <<<< 2 M16 guns.

We go by feats and per feats, living Asgardians >> undead Asgardians.

She did so regardless. She kills Superman. Cry more, sock.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We go by feats and per feats, living Asgardians >> undead Asgardians.

Yes, the living Asgardians were going to be slaughtered by the undead, even elite like Heimdall was almost killed by them. Yet 2 M16 took them within seconds.

THIS is fact.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Yes, the living Asgardians were going to be slaughtered by the undead, even elite like Heimdall was almost killed by them. Yet 2 M16 took them within seconds.

THIS is fact. It wasn't just the undead it was Fenris, Hela, etc. The army of Asgard aka the elites save a few were already wiped out by Hela previously. They were warriors fighting the weakest of Asgard for the most part. You are a disingenuous poster.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Yes, the living Asgardians were going to be slaughtered by the undead, even elite like Heimdall was almost killed by them. Yet 2 M16 took them within seconds.

THIS is fact.

They were being hurt by Asgardian weapons. and no, he wasn't almost killed by them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They were being hurt by Asgardian weapons. and no, he wasn't almost killed by them.
They have the Asgardian weapons as well, why couldn't they hold on? And 2M16 easily killed the undead. By that logic the Asgardian weapons were garbage before M16.

The undead were quicker and stronger than most of the Asgardians, stop bringing up the "decomposing" stuff up again, they were elites buffed by the eternal flame and were owning the living ones.

Yes, Heimdall was about to die if not for Loki's help.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasn't just the undead it was Fenris, Hela, etc. The army of Asgard aka the elites save a few were already wiped out by Hela previously. They were warriors fighting the weakest of Asgard for the most part. You are a disingenuous poster.
Hela was mostly fighting Thor and Fenris was taken by Hulk. They got Heimdall and he was owned by a couple of undead. M16>>>>> hundreds of Asgardians.

Correction, the undead army were the REAL elites who fought to conquest, these living army was built just for security purpose. They also got the eternal flame buff as well.

Being overwhelmed by superior numbers while wielding a sword means what exactly ? This argument is pretty pitiful even by normal DC fanboy standards. Hela wins. Batman showed the intelligence and the reaction time to weakness exploit Superman into beta male submission.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
They have the Asgardian weapons as well, why couldn't they hold on? And 2M16 easily killed the undead. By that logic the Asgardian weapons were garbage before M16.

The undead were quicker and stronger than most of the Asgardians, stop bringing up the "decomposing" stuff up again, they were elites buffed by the eternal flame and were owning the living ones.

Yes, Heimdall was about to die if not for Loki's help.

Because they weren't warriors, Hela had already killed those. Heimdall was never in danger of being killed by the decomposing Asgardians.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being overwhelmed by superior numiners while wielding a sword means what exactly ? This argument is pretty pitiful even by normal DC fanboy standards. Hela wins. Batman showed the intelligence and the reaction time to weakness exploit Superman into beta male submission.
A few mins later we saw these undead got obliterated by M16. Yet hundreds of living Asgardians were about to be killed by them.

And we are comparing them with Superman&Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because they weren't warriors, Hela had already killed those. Heimdall was never in danger of being killed by the decomposing Asgardians.
They were, quite a few of them were and they were easily chopped down by the undead. Tell me where did it say that normal Asgardians have thinner skin than the soldiers?

Heimdall was going to die if not for Loki's men arriving. It was very clear there.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
A few mins later we saw these undead got obliterated by M16. Yet hundreds of living Asgardians were about to be killed by them.

And we are comparing them with Superman&Wonder Woman. These weren't the trained warriors they were previously wiped out by Hela. This was the common folk save a few who were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers as well as the fact these were warriors.


What do they have to do with Hela ? This is Hela vs. Superman you keep trying to change the subject. The army has nothing to do with Hela or her abilities.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
They were, quite a few of them were and they were easily chopped down by the undead. Tell me where did it say that normal Asgardians have thinner skin than the soldiers?

Heimdall was going to die if not for Loki's men arriving. It was very clear there.

We have already been over this.

Heimdall was never in any danger of being killed by the undead Asgardians.

Originally posted by quanchi112
These weren't the trained warriors they were previously wiped out by Hela. This was the common folk save a few who were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers as well as the fact these were warriors.


What do they have to do with Hela ? This is Hela vs. Superman you keep trying to change the subject. The army has nothing to do with Hela or her abilities.
And by that logic the undead were the elite troops fought in real wars, plus the eternal flame buff, yet they were obliterated by M16.

Yes it has, Hela never did anything impressive on strength other than beating off other Asgardians. Since they were pathetic before M16. How is Hela going to fight Superman?

Originally posted by Silent Master
We have already been over this.

Heimdall was never in any danger of being killed by the undead Asgardians.

Yes he was, he was saved by Loki's men.

You're a liar

Originally posted by Slowpoke
And by that logic the undead were the elite troops fought in real wars, plus the eternal flame buff, yet they were obliterated by M16.

Yes it has, Hela never did anything impressive on strength other than beating off other Asgardians. Since they were pathetic before M16. How is Hela going to fight Superman? So the guns hurt them ? What's your point ?

Could WW withstand the gunfire from those weapons if she let them hit her skin ?

She overpowered Thor. Thor is ridiculously strong and she easily overpowered him with strength. For ****s sake you don't make any sense and even WW makes sure to block or evade WW 1 weaponry so you don't have a point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So the guns hurt them ? What's your point ?

Could WW withstand the gunfire from those weapons if she let them hit her skin ?

She overpowered Thor. Thor is ridiculously strong and she easily overpowered him with strength. For ****s sake you don't make any sense and even WW makes sure to block or evade WW 1 weaponry so you don't have a point.

We saw them being obliterated within seconds, yet hundreds of Asgardians could not take them. Wonder Woman would have no problem to kill someone with 2 M16s since she could hold on Doomsday for a while. Even the MOS Kryptonians have no trouble to take on battle jets, that's a much bigger deal than M16.

Thor was ridiculously strong? By Marvel standards, maybe yes, but in DCEU not much. I don't think beating Thor is much of a good feat. The Asgardians were pathetic before 2 M16s, seriously.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
We saw them being obliterated within seconds, yet hundreds of Asgardians could not take them. Wonder Woman would have no problem to kill someone with 2 M16s since she could hold on Doomsday for a while. Even the MOS Kryptonians have no trouble to take on battle jets, that's a much bigger deal than M16.

Thor was ridiculously strong? By Marvel standards, maybe yes, but in DCEU not much. I don't think beating Thor is much of a good feat. The Asgardians were pathetic before 2 M16s, seriously. The asgardian so didn't have the guns nor were they skilled warriors so what's your problem ? The scene makes total sense and it has no bearing on Hela. You didn't answer my question. She is a skilled warrior unlike the common asgardians left to fight at this point in the film.

Can WW tank the gunfire ?

Knians are more durable than Diana just as Hulk is more durable than Thor.

Thor is stronger than WW. Superman isn't as strong as Hulk. The characters in marvel can destroy planets DC characters think nukes are a big deal.

Wasn't Hela pseudo immortal in the film? She not only shrugged off seemingly mortal wounds but also Thor's full powered lightning. In fact the heroes never actually beat her in the film but just run off and let Surtur do it...which makes me wonder how Superman would even stand a chance.

Best Superman can hope for is that he's fast enough to not get tagged by Hela's knives and try not to make it an attrition battle IMO.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The asgardian so didn't have the guns nor were they skilled warriors so what's your problem ? The scene makes total sense and it has no bearing on Hela. You didn't answer my question. She is a skilled warrior unlike the common asgardians left to fight at this point in the film.

Can WW tank the gunfire ?

Knians are more durable than Diana just as Hulk is more durable than Thor.

Thor is stronger than WW. Superman isn't as strong as Hulk. The characters in marvel can destroy planets DC characters think nukes are a big deal.
So you are saying the Asgardian weapons were garbage before guns? Their strength and weapons<<<<2 M16? And what makes Hela awesome other than kicking Asgardians' ass?

Wonder Woman could easily use her bracelets to defend or dodge it, she was able to catch up with Superman and Doomsday. NONE of the undead soldiers could do so, all they did was getting owned..

No, Superman and Wonder Woman >>>> Thor and Hulk, quite easy observation.

Superman was tagged by Batman's slower reactions and slower weapons. This Superman and his combat speed is a myth perpetuated by its fanbase. When one looks at the facts human beings are fast enough to tag him.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wasn't Hela pseudo immortal in the film? She not only shrugged off seemingly mortal wounds but also Thor's full powered lightning. In fact the heroes never actually beat her in the film but just run off and let Surtur do it...which makes me wonder how Superman would even stand a chance.

Best Superman can hope for is that he's fast enough to not get tagged by Hela's knives and try not to make it an attrition battle IMO.

More like she never took any damage beyond her healing factor.

You know the Asgardians were crap before M16. So their damage is highly questionable.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
More like she never took any damage beyond her healing factor.

You know the Asgardians were crap before M16. So their damage is highly questionable. She was >>>Asgard so she was obviously superior. WW and her people were killed by Germans from the First World War.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She was >>>Asgard so she was obviously superior. WW and her people were killed by Germans from the First World War.

She wasn't, she had to rely on weapons to kill the Asgardians, she couldn't even obliterate that Asian guy of the warrior 3 as well.

Wonder Woman is not Amazon, she was a demigod, different situation here. She showed much higher strength and speed in the BVS fight than Hela did in any case.