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is snoke more powerful than sidious?

since we've not seen any lightsaber with Snoke,

Snoke vs Sidious canon movie force feats only, including trailers and movies.

I hoped you were dead.

Anyone with half a brain can see Snoke > Palpatine.

Snoke lifts a full grown woman off the floor and rotates her along a vertical plane. Palpatine could only do this with council pods, and he can only rotate them horizontally. Also, Snoke is more disfigured than Palpatine, which shows his strength in the dark side is greater.

Taking into account the positive feedback loop effect evolution wise in force users, Snoke should be significantly stronger than Sheev.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I hoped you were dead.

plageius brought me back

Snoke will be practically invincible. Effectively an entity like Valk

Originally posted by redpill
plageius brought me back

Lol Most creative thing you've said.

Sid beats him

Originally posted by Unbowed
Anyone with half a brain can see Snoke > Palpatine. I will come for Sheev's head soon enough. They know they are living on borrowed time. It is inevitable.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Lol Most creative thing you've said.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I will come for Sheev's head soon enough. They know they are living on borrowed time. It is inevitable.


You realize Sheev isn't actually in the movie right?

So the chances of a definitive answer, (like what we got about Thor vs Hulk in Ragnarok), is slim to none.

At best we'll get hints through 3rd party opinions, but you've already rejected Kylo's claim that he's not as powerful as Vader.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You realize Sheev isn't actually in the movie right?

So the chances of a definitive answer, (like what we got about Thor vs Hulk in Ragnarok), is slim to none.

At best we'll get hints through 3rd party opinions, but you've already rejected Kylo's claim that he's not as powerful as Vader. I realize he's dead. I also realize the Death Star is destroyed but it's blatantly obvious Starkiller base is superior to it. I predicted Snoke would surpass Palpatine in the same vein.

Kylo showed more evil in terms of how they both dealt with family members and the light inside them.

Kylo wasn't even finished with his training. At that point in time he wasn't as formidable as Vader but there is room for improvement. Expect for things to change when his training is complete.



Disney is going for bigger and better. It was obvious from Force Awakens. You will learn the hard way.

Quan you're a funny gai

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Quan you're a funny gai Swear fealty to me.

Kylo is so evil.

Bump

Looks like someone's gonna eat crow tonight.

LOL from what I hear Snoke is nowhere NEAR Palpatine in power.. hes a chump in fact... how do i make the paragraph greyed out for spoilers anyone?? Quan needs to be broken now before he sees the film

Originally posted by relentless1
LOL from what I hear Snoke is nowhere NEAR Palpatine in power.. hes a chump in fact... how do i make the paragraph greyed out for spoilers anyone?? Quan needs to be broken now before he sees the film

Write spoiler and /spoiler in brackets at the start and end of whatever you're spoilering.

And he is a chump. He dies like a ***** .

Spoiler tag, duh
Have at it. I think it's retarded, but this might be some payoff.

Don't kid yourself, they have NO idea what they're doing. JJ is probably sweating right now since he has to continue this mess after Rian axed all his build up.

I'm under no disillusion, and it's not just because the plot for TLJ leaked at the last minute. I was off the train as soon as Rian said he was given complete freedom with the plot. Disney managed to outdo Lucas by having no plot planned out for an entire trilogy of movies. There should have been some constraints on what would happen, and how. Even a basic bullet list would be better.

Quan will never concede.

True. I don't like most of the Marvel movies, but it's clear how important Kevin Feige is to keeping that continuity on track. Obviously Kathleen Kennedy is shit at this.

Kennedy is more concerned with girl power than making continuity work.

We'll see how this works for her. I know I've bought my last ticket for a Star Wars movie.

Quanchi, it's time for u to take ur L

Snoke gets hilariously stomped even with movie feats only.

Snoke gets destroyed.

Snoke dies. Sheev is still supreme

its not working... well snoke is a pussy lets just leave it at that; Quan I got some crow for ya to chew on

Snoke is weak.

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Going to be a sight to see.

Does Snoke even scale from Kylo?

Well with Snoke apparently being a punk ass *****, I hope my boy Kylo gets some respect. We need at least one powerful villain for this trilogy.

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Originally posted by The Merchant
Does Snoke even scale from Kylo?
No.

lol no sign of Quan since the spoiler reveal

he doesn't want to be spoiled

Originally posted by The Merchant
Does Snoke even scale from Kylo?

Kylo is the one who kills him.

I haven't seen the movie, only read the spoilers, but were people actually expecting anything different?

What did the Emperor do in ROTJ besides torturing a neophyte Force user and then getting blindsided and killed?

Snoke IS stronger than Sidious. But people are either delusional or hypocritical if they're comparing 15 minutes of film footage to 30 years of EU work.

Palpatine in ROTJ was shown as a being capable of extreme foresight who literally planned everything that happened in the film besides Vaders betrayal. He also made Vader subservient to him 100% Vader didn't think he can kill him alone and had to obey him, despite Empire portraying him as being invincible under his own right. To a lot of people Palps was even in ROTJ alone some sort of DS abomination who could kill anyone with mere inclination. Ill be honest I need to see the film myself but Snoke isn't looking too good.

Originally posted by Unbowed
I haven't seen the movie, only read the spoilers, but were people actually expecting anything different?

What did the Emperor do in ROTJ besides torturing a neophyte Force user and then getting blindsided and killed?

Snoke IS stronger than Sidious. But people are either delusional or hypocritical if they're comparing 15 minutes of film footage to 30 years of EU work.

ROTJ aside, lets see if Snoke can even match Palps Lightning but youre forgetting his skills and power shown in ROTS as well which since Snoke doesn't ever have a battle from what ive been told then hes got nothing to compare to Sidious' combat prowess

I hear he

fights Rey and Kylo and was throwing them around for a bit, and stomped the ground to cause Force Lightning on Kylo. He also didn't gesture when he threw them.

Originally posted by The Merchant
I hear he

fights Rey and Kylo and was throwing them around for a bit, and stomped the ground to cause Force Lightning on Kylo. He also didn't gesture when he threw them.

He doesn't fight anyone.

Well, Snoke did ragdoll Rey around the room without getting up, but that's about it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Well, Snoke did ragdoll Rey around the room without getting up, but that's about it.

Yeah, I know. He uses the Force, but the leaked Visual Dictionary was true that he doesn't fight.

Yes, that's true. He's a total loser. The way Kylo kills him is comical.

I don't take casual TK seriously. Getting casually shit on my Kylo though, not even holding the lightsaber. Yeah, that's a different story.

I bet Rian Johnson thought he was being clever in that scene, but in reality it made Snoke look retarded.

Originally posted by Unbowed
Anyone with half a brain can see Snoke > Palpatine.

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Just wait till you see it. Sheev stomps Snoke.

Sheev is to Snoke what Anakin is to younglings.

Won't be able to see this until tomorrow due to a busy schedule.

After I do I will have no mercy.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Sheev is to Snoke what Anakin is to younglings. I think you're giving the younglings far too little credit.

Snoke decimates him. By far the most powerful character witnessed in Star Wars canon. If anyone disagrees and I mean this with all sincerity I'll battlezone any Palpatine fan the moment The Last Jedi and it's clips come on YouTube.

Ps. I told you I'd burn your house to the ground. Let's see if any of you cowards accept the challenge.

Originally posted by Azronger
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Just wait till you see it. Sheev stomps Snoke. You are lying and misrepresenting Snoke in direct comparison to Sheev. He's far more powerful despite your silly nonsensical tactics.

My challenge is up so if you're so sure of yourself do not head for the exit.


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These next few days will be hilarious

Snoke was deliberately a joke in this film. Rian intentionally made him a Sidious knock off. He was straight up quoting Sidious's dialogue from RotJ. I enjoyed it due to them completely subverting expectation but I don't know how anyone can truly be a fan of the character after this.

He is intentionally a shitty disposable knock off Sidious. Nothing more.

It will be hilarious to see the posturing and dodging from the battlezone challenge.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You are lying and misrepresenting Snoke in direct comparison to Sheev. He's far more powerful despite your silly nonsensical tactics.

My challenge is up so if you're so sure of yourself do not head for the exit.


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Do you want movie feats only or all of Canon?

Snoke was crazy powerful. I'm not sure if more powerful than Sidious, but he's up there

Originally posted by Azronger
Do you want movie feats only or all of Canon? Movie feats since we have them reacting in real time. Palpatine has far more feats than Snoke. Movie feats only just as in this thread. Do you accept the challenge ?

Crazy powerful? Maybe, but he certainly didn't do much in this film.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Snoke was crazy powerful. I'm not sure if more powerful than Sidious, but he's up there Andy already told us but yes he was insanely powerful but arrogant. My guys are arrogant bastards and I love them for it. Snoke is by far my favorite character. I knew he was golden from the first film. He was amazing in the film and I love how people don't like him.

He's deliberately a disposable Palpatine knock off.

Originally posted by ares834
Crazy powerful? Maybe, but he certainly didn't do much in this film.
I thought forming that bond and downing Kylo with lightning was pretty great.

Seems he's a Vader fanboy though. He even calls Vader "Lord" and has a ring from Vader's castle.

The bond is interesting but it doesn't say much about power. And Kylo still has a far way too go considering his struggles with Rey. I wouldn't consider either to be "crazy powerful" level feats.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I thought forming that bond and downing Kylo with lightning was pretty great.

Seems he's a Vader fanboy though. He even calls Vader "Lord" and has a ring from Vader's castle. He just used that line to motivate/manipulate Kylo. That lightning feat was awesome. Snoke is beyond direct conflict in the film.

Originally posted by ares834
The bond is interesting but it doesn't say much about power. And Kylo still has a far way too go considering his struggles with Rey. I wouldn't consider either to be "crazy powerful" level feats. You are lying. I will not stand for disingenuous debaters such as yourself.

Originally posted by ares834
The bond is interesting but it doesn't say much about power. And Kylo still has a far way too go considering his struggles with Rey. I wouldn't consider either to be "crazy powerful" level feats.
Well, Rey's as powerful as Kylo and vice versa. As one grows stronger so does the other, so I don't think that should necessarily knock-off Kylo.

I found it interesting the Visual Dictionary stated, "but he is no Sith," in regards to Snoke. The wording makes it seem like he's inferior in some fashion.

That seems further supported by Snoke wanting another Darth Vader walking around and had a personal memorial ring to Vader on his hand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Movie feats since we have them reacting in real time. Palpatine has far more feats than Snoke. Movie feats only just as in this thread. Do you accept the challenge ?

So is that a direct concession Snoke can't beat Palpatine of we include all of Canon? Say it and I'll accept your challenge. If you think Snoke beats Canon Palpatine as well, then you should have no issues about arguing it, am I right?

Originally posted by Azronger
So is that a direct concession Snoke can't beat Palpatine of we include all of Canon? Say it and I'll accept your challenge. If you think Snoke beats Canon Palpatine as well, then you should have no issues about arguing it, am I right? I am not getting bogged down in hyperbolic feats you're going to misrepresent. It's about as mindless as refuting Donald Trump. Sure everyone knows he's an idiot except himself. This is films only which is fair. You claimed Palpatine stomps yet want to debate outside these same parameters because you're disingenuous. Deep down you know Palpatine from the films wouldn't stand a chance against Snoke.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not getting bogged down in hyperbolic feats you're going to misrepresent. It's about as mindless as refuting Donald Trump. Sure everyone knows he's an idiot except himself. This is films only which is fair. You claimed Palpatine stomps yet want to debate outside these same parameters because you're disingenuous. Deep down you know Palpatine from the films wouldn't stand a chance against Snoke.

Concede Canon Sheev beats Snoke, and I'll accept your challenge.

Originally posted by Azronger
Concede Canon Sheev beats Snoke, and I'll accept your challenge. **** no. We both know that isn't the case. Andy Serkis already said so. Canon Snoke is more powerful than Palpatine and Vader. Now our debate will be film evidence but if you don't want to accept out of cowardice I'll be sure to start gloating.

Then let's go with Canon Sheev vs Snoke, if you still think the former beats the latter

Palpatine obviously wins, but the Snoke being shit posts were really exaggerated.

My thoughts as well.

Originally posted by Azronger
Then let's go with Canon Sheev vs Snoke, if you still think the former beats the latter I gave you my reasoning as to why I am not focusing on your shitty hyperbolic book feats, etc. Serkis already closed the door on this but if you won't affect my challenge then you're posturing.

Originally posted by Trocity
Palpatine obviously wins, but the Snoke being shit posts were really exaggerated. How does Palpatine win ?

Probably by bisecting him with a lightsaber.

Sheev annihilates

Originally posted by Trocity
Probably by bisecting him with a lightsaber. He would take his saber right off him. His force power is greater. Tell him, Serkis.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Sheev annihilates Joke post. Snoke is far too powerful with his force abilities for Sheev to do anything other than get thrown in the air at his mercy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Joke post. Snoke is far too powerful with his force abilities for Sheev to do anything other than get thrown in the air at his mercy. Snoke did nothing except demonstrate moderately impressive telepathy, average lightning, and basic TK on an untrained Force user.

Snoke is unimpressive as hell.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Snoke did nothing except demonstrate moderately impressive telepathy, average lightning, and basic TK on an untrained Force user.

Snoke is unimpressive as hell. False, as per Luke's words both Ben and Rey had more raw strength than practically anyone he ever witnessed.

Ben beat Luke pre Force Awakens. Snoke was beyond conflict unlike Palpatine who stalemated Yoda force powers, lost to Windu and begged, and was killed by a one armed weaponless Vader who didn't use force powers. Snoke rapes Sidious.

Even for you, this is bad.


Gonna have to try a wee bit harder, lil fella.

Originally posted by Trocity
It is true and Serkis confirms he's more powerful. These films ram it down our throats how powerful Rey and Kylo are. Guess who was beyond both of them in direct conflict.

Originally posted by Trocity
Even for you, this is bad.


Gonna have to try a wee bit harder, lil fella. That isn't refuting my point that is what is wrong with this forum. You're posturing and ignoring the clear facts and implications of the films. It's ok you're a troll.

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It's okay that your quote doesn't mean jack. Shhhhh... shh... there now...

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Originally posted by Trocity
It's okay that your quote doesn't mean jack. Shhhhh... shh... there now...

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Got anything else or?

Originally posted by Trocity
Got anything else or? You conceded the debate a long time ago. Just exit the thread and troll elsewhere.

Yeah... didn't think so.


And just like Snoke, you slide back into irrelevancy.

See ya next year after episode 9!

I gotta say, I am impressed by their restraint to not simply make everything bigger and "better". I thought for sure they were going to make Rey into some ultra chosen one making Luke and Anakin insignificant, but in the end she is just some girl who is powerful in the Force.

Originally posted by Trocity
Yeah... didn't think so.


And just like Snoke, you slide back into irrelevancy.

See ya next year after episode 9! You ignored the facts, the implications, and the interviews. You ignored it all to post gifs in an attempt to troll and show you're incapable of refuting well anything. It's ok that you breathe out of your mouth. What's a nose for besides picking and eating your own boogers, mouth breather.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False, as per Luke's words both Ben and Rey had more raw strength than practically anyone he ever witnessed.

Ben beat Luke pre Force Awakens. Snoke was beyond conflict unlike Palpatine who stalemated Yoda force powers, lost to Windu and begged, and was killed by a one armed weaponless Vader who didn't use force powers. Snoke rapes Sidious.

Rey and Ren having greater raw power than anyone Luke had met before means nothing, as raw power/potential doesn't amount to much in comparison of usable, mastered, power. Luke's own raw power should be just as great as theirs, if not more.

Ben didn't "beat" Luke, he caught Luke off guard after Luke realized he was doing something wrong and hesitated. It's almost like you didn't see the movie, or are too stupid to make basic observations.

Sidious bested Yoda in the Force. He didn't "lose" to Windu, which the novelization makes rather clear (yes, the novelization IS canon as per Hidalgo's word). There's a simple justification for Sidious being killed by Vader, one you're obviously too clueless to understand.

And you call US trolls, lmao.

Luke ended up not wanting to

kill Ben though, he refrained but Ben went for the kill from the get go. Snoke blasted Kylo with lightning that Kylo shrugged off, and tortured Rey who did have impressive growth from her short time of training

Does anyone get a Nomi Sunrider esque vibe from Nomi in terms of growth btw?

Originally posted by darthbane77
Rey and Ren having greater raw power than anyone Luke had met before means nothing, as raw power/potential doesn't amount to much in comparison of usable, mastered, power. Luke's own raw power should be just as great as theirs, if not more.

Ben didn't "beat" Luke, he caught Luke off guard after Luke realized he was doing something wrong and hesitated. It's almost like you didn't see the movie, or are too stupid to make basic observations.

Sidious bested Yoda in the Force. He didn't "lose" to Windu, which the novelization makes rather clear (yes, the novelization IS canon as per Hidalgo's word). There's a simple justification for Sidious being killed by Vader, one you're obviously too clueless to understand.

And you call US trolls, lmao. We see what happened when both Ben and Rey tested themselves against him. How did it turn out ? Did Luke look massively superior ? Be honest now. Again Luke's statements matter since he knew Palpatine and Vader. We don't see how these two would match up power wise with Palpatine and Vader.

Oh the irony. Luke went there with his saber drawn and did feel the shame of it but still was able to defend himself with his abilities. It's almost as if you're ignoring Luke had ample time to defend himself considering he's a Jedi and didn't have his guard lowered. So I guess because Kylo didn't scream Luke are you ready now I'm going to defend myself this isn't fair. You're a joke.

No, Sidious stalemated him since the force of the blast sent both of them reeling back. It wasn't like the lightning just hit Yoda it was redirected. Palpatine didn't fly off since he had a better position on the pod when the force hit him than Yoda. Lucas already stated Windu overpowered him which is clear by the scene. No one makes a film that can't be interpreted by the scenes in it you biased nerd.

Your excuses don't matter. He had one arm, no weapon, and didn't use the force. Ignore the facts like you always do.

Refuted. Facts matter. Your silly bias doesn't.

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Another gutless poster who won't accept a real challenge and would rather post gifs and images. Trocity why do you come to kmc if you don't want to debate. Rough home life, no friends, can't get laid. Pick one.

My home life is super rough. Just got 2 new kittens, and boy are they brats.

Originally posted by Trocity
My home life is super rough. Just got 2 new kittens, and boy are they brats. Hopefully they scratch the shit out of you ASAP.

Sidious could have killed Windu with the force whenever he wanted.

And Ben has nothing on Luke. Look at the last fight scene in the new movie. Luke doesn't even have to meet his nephew's lightsaber. Makes him look like a tool.

Snoke wasn't impressive at all.

His lightning did nothing more than knock Kylo to the ground for a bit.

Dookus lightning was more impressive in Aotc when he tossed anakin across the room and ko'd him with 1 shot. The same lightning that Yoda absorbed from Dooku easily, whose absorbtion was matched/exceeded by palpatines lightning in RoTs.

As for tk feats he did nothing more than toss around a hundred pound woman who put up no defense, and didn't even really know what the force was a day or two earlier.

Compare that to tossing senate pods around like ping pong balls, catching them and throwing them back, lifting an x wing out of the swamp, crushing the life out of people etc... There's really no comparison.

His tossing hux around via hologram was even inferior to Vader killing Ozzel.

Snoke might have the edge in featless fodder red guards tho. They certainly put up a better fight for a minute or two against Rey and Kylo than Palpatines did for the half a second they lasted against Yoda. Tho maybe Yodas just that much more powerful.

Well, I doubt that lightning was Snoke going all out. I'm pretty sure it was a little taste to Ren to remind him who's boss.

Originally posted by ares834
I gotta say, I am impressed by their restraint to not simply make everything bigger and "better". I thought for sure they were going to make Rey into some ultra chosen one making Luke and Anakin insignificant, but in the end she is just some girl who is powerful in the Force.

But she is better than Luke and Anakin. Yoda came back from the dead just to give her his endorsement and tell Luke she's the *real* hero.

Everything Luke did was basically irrelevant. The Empire still controls the galaxy, there are still no Jedi, the Republic got BTFO once again. If you erase the OT nothing would change in the big picture really. If Luke had stayed on Tatooine instead of joining Obi-Wan it wouldn't have affected the galaxy in any significant way. At least he wouldn't have died a virgin.

Bringing peace back to the Galaxy for twenty or thirty years certainly isn't nothing. Still, I wish they hadn't reset the universe to ANH.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Facts>>>trolls. Trolls use gifs to rebut evidence because in their own Trumpian insecurities they believe they are proving something.

I agree facts sh_tstomp trolls. What are the facts you brought though? Which on-screen feats put Snoke over Sidious exactly? I hear you citing an interview instead of providing movie feats of this "force power" you keep bringing up.

Just like when we argue Voldemort vs Dumbledore in movies, we care about what happened on screen and not some secondary irrelevant source. What did Snoke bring beyond choking someone over galactic distance or throwing senate pods as ping pong balls? I'm more than interested in having your overview of this impressive force power.

Originally posted by ares834
Bringing peace back to the Galaxy for twenty or thirty years certainly isn't nothing. Still, I wish they hadn't reset the universe to ANH.

What?
isn't their canon clone wars series.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
What?
isn't their canon clone wars series.

What? How is that in anyway relevant to what I said? I'm saying Luke and co seem to have brought a period of peace to the galaxy.

Originally posted by ares834
Bringing peace back to the Galaxy for twenty or thirty years certainly isn't nothing. Still, I wish they hadn't reset the universe to ANH.

What peace? The Empire never went away fully. By all accounts the new Republic was weak and Leia's rebels had to keep fighting for it.

Oh, and so much for the Chosen One and his destiny. He couldn't even restore balance for more a decade or two at best. What a pointless prophecy.

They retreated after the battle of Jakku. Afterwords, there was peace for decades.

And Anakin destroyed the Sith. Now there are only some shitty Sith knock off running around.

Originally posted by ares834
What? How is that in anyway relevant to what I said? I'm saying Luke and co seem to have brought a period of peace to the galaxy.

oh nvm, I thought you meant continuity.

Originally posted by ares834
They retreated after the battle of Jakku. Afterwords, there was peace for decades.

And Anakin destroyed the Sith. Now there are only some shitty Sith knock off running around.

You know, I don't even remember TFA's details, so I'll give you that, but a few years or decades of peace isn't that much really. Not when it all goes to hell right after. Like I said, Luke's action where irrelevant in the big picture. They didn't even give him the honor of training the new hero, Rey. She just kind of knows everything on her own two days after she discovered the Force.

It doesn't really mean much. The dark side is still there and it's back to rolling over the galaxy.

Lmfao at people thinking "Ben beat Luke".

I get that Luke is a weakling relative to what we were expecting, but saying that because Ben collapsed a hut on Luke somehow equates to the latter being better( again, roflmfao, this is one of the most retarded interpretations one can make), on the same grounds of logic, I might as well make a much more reasonable claim that Kenobi blitzed Maul in TPM.

Plus, Ben was 25ish at the time - older than ROTS Anakin or ROTJ Luke.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He would take his saber right off him. His force power is greater. Tell him, Serkis.

lol so part of your argument is some shit that an actor said in an interview?? this ought to be good

lets put this in perspective:

Sidious clouding the Jedi for at least a decade > Snoke connecting Kylo and Rey

Sidious casually frying Luke > Snokes lame taser shot to Kylo

Sidious caught unawares by Vader > Snoke knowing exactly what Kylo was doing only he was dumb enough not to see it was him that Kylo was targeting

Sidious choking Dooku from a galaxy away > Snoke tripping Hux from a ship away

Vader; whom Kylo AND Snoke revere knowing he can't take Sidious alone tries enlisting Lukes help to do so > Kylo killing Snoke single handedly


... and some other stuff that Snoke doesn't even have a comparison for:

Sidious blitzing and killing 3 Jedi in the blink of an eye

Sidious easily killing Savage and toying with Maul at the same time

Sidious stalemating Yoda who was the pinnacle member of the Jedi

Sidious speaking with Anakin telepathically; an ability that wasn't replicated again until bro/sis duo Leia and Luke did

the fact is that Palpatine has two movies worth of feats and a tv show while Snoke has about 5 minutes worth of feats that Palpatine has either matched or bettered in his showings. Snoke is nothing in comparison to Sidious

Snoke is likely below Obi wan level

Snoke is the weakest dark side user ever, like seriously. Maul woul probably roflstomp him and Kylo together.

Snoke demonstrates some decent powers but he's shallow in comparison to Palpatine, both in power and character.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Snoke demonstrates some decent powers but he's shallow in comparison to Palpatine, both in power and character.

I agree, he seems like he could put up a decent fight vs an Elite Sith like Dooku.

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree, he seems like he could put up a decent fight vs an Elite Sith like Dooku.

How? He has no lightsaber feats or combat feats in general. Dooku would eat him alive.

Originally posted by Psychotron
How? He has no lightsaber feats or combat feats in general. Dooku would eat him alive.

It's not like a lightsaber would help much against's Dooku's duelist talent, the fight would be one of Force Power and that's about the only thing Snoke has. With telekinesis, the ability to link minds and lightning, his force abilities are at least adequate.

I never said Snoke would win though.

Snoke turned out to be pretty meh.

Originally posted by Bentley
It's not like a lightsaber would help much against's Dooku's duelist talent, the fight would be one of Force Power and that's about the only thing Snoke has. With telekinesis, the ability to link minds and lightning, his force abilities are at least adequate.

I never said Snoke would win though.

And what happens when a Jedi closes the distance? Even AotC Kenobi can block lightning with a saber.

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree facts sh_tstomp trolls. What are the facts you brought though? Which on-screen feats put Snoke over Sidious exactly? I hear you citing an interview instead of providing movie feats of this "force power" you keep bringing up.

Just like when we argue Voldemort vs Dumbledore in movies, we care about what happened on screen and not some secondary irrelevant source. What did Snoke bring beyond choking someone over galactic distance or throwing senate pods as ping pong balls? I'm more than interested in having your overview of this impressive force power. His force power superiority over Ben and Rey. They had raw strength Luke himself only witnessed in them over Vader and Palpatine. Neither were a direct threat to Snoke with his guard up. We see what happened when Ben challenged Luke and what occurred when Luke decimated Vader. Luke is the lynchpin that ties this all together.

Now be accurate someone was trying to cite the books whereas this is a movie related interview. The movies from Harry Potter are different than the books but I argue based off facts, supplemental info, and the obvious portrayals of the characters. I take everything into consideration.

Originally posted by relentless1
lol so part of your argument is some shit that an actor said in an interview?? this ought to be good The feats in the film with everyone considered shows Snoke is by far the most powerful force used in the film. Hell, Palpatine almost came in his pants at the prospect of recruiting Luke. No one in direct combat was a match for Snoke. The same can't be said for Luke. The amount of pitiful reaching to attack Snoke when he has no low showings is beyond laughable at this point. The actor is confirming the obvious the fanboys don't want to admit to because of their own personal head canon and bias.

Originally posted by Psychotron
And what happens when a Jedi closes the distance? Even AotC Kenobi can block lightning with a saber. They don't close the distance because of his force abilities. He was beyond dueling. It's clear in the film. You don't close the distance when he can force throttle you at will or fl bolt as well. He's simply the most powerful force user ever seen and confirmed by Serkis himself. The defenses here are quite Trumpian in nature.

Originally posted by samappo
Sidious could have killed Windu with the force whenever he wanted. Speculation. It also makes no sense and directly contradicts the scene.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They don't close the distance because of his force abilities. He was beyond dueling. It's clear in the film. You don't close the distance when he can force throttle you at will or fl bolt as well. He's simply the most powerful force user ever seen and confirmed by Serkis himself. The defenses here are quite Trumpian in nature.

Who the hell is talking to you, autist?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Who the hell is talking to you, autist? I am on a public forum, roid rage. I understand you can't keep your rage bottled up but try not to get so triggered all the time. Snoke is the most powerful force user ever seen thus far. It's ok, go hit the weights and try not to let that fact consume you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His force power superiority over Ben and Rey. They had raw strength Luke himself only witnessed in them over Vader and Palpatine. Neither were a direct threat to Snoke with his guard up.

The level of Ben and Rey at that point in time is speculation, the difference between their power and Snoke's is speculation too (given that at no point we see them fighting directly). Given that after dealing with Snoke they were circled by his personal guard it's logical to assume trying to fight him there and then was risky not just because of Snoke's personal power.

Not saying he isn't stronger than they are, I think that it's heavily implied he could defeat either of them. This doesn't mean he's stronger because of raw force power, he has an obvious advantage in experience and control of the force (see Dooku manhandling Anakin in their first encounter, that doesn't diminsh the fact Anakin had more power in spades).


Originally posted by quanchi112
We see what happened when Ben challenged Luke and what occurred when Luke decimated Vader. Luke is the lynchpin that ties this all together.

An older Luke in an inconclusive battle. A battle between older fighters that know intimately each other is different than a random encounter by people that cross swords less often. Luke trained Ben and they fought when he wasn't mentally ready to have that combat.

I think if anything their battle is more like Obi vs Anakin on the two separate occasions they fought: the familiarity with each other and age gap, as well as the determination of each fighter are very realistic factors for the fight resulting in the way it did (two different outcomes). Basically, too many character related circumstances that make the result be murky when it comes to "power".

To make the matters worse, it's unproven that Luke could've beaten Palpatine by himself at any point in time so comparisons with him are moot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now be accurate someone was trying to cite the books whereas this is a movie related interview. The movies from Harry Potter are different than the books but I argue based off facts, supplemental info, and the obvious portrayals of the characters. I take everything into consideration.

An interview is an interview and we go by feats. It's not as if the interview said "Snoke beats Palpatine".

Originally posted by Bentley
The level of Ben and Rey at that point in time is speculation, the difference between their power and Snoke's is speculation too (given that at no point we see them fighting directly). Given that after dealing with Snoke they were circled by his personal guard it's logical to assume trying to fight him there and then was risky not just because of Snoke's personal power.
That is incorrect because we see both at different points in the film attempt to fight him. Both are toyed with relative ease. We already saw Rey try to fight him. He warned off his personal guard. Rewatch the film. If you can't remember Rey trying to attack him and him backing off his own personal guard how can I expect to have a debate with an ignorant poster. We also see Snoke glean the information he needed from Rey since Kylo was too weak to do so himself. No one could him take on directly. We saw Kylo try and take a bolt to be easily humbled. Snoke set his machinations in place to manipulate him.

We see he's stronger in force power since he overpowered Rey's will something Kylo was unable to directly do himself while she had no training.

Anakin was a better duelist he never overpowered Dooku in the force. Anakin defeating Dooku in a Lightsaber battle has nothing to do with raw force power just that he's a better duelist in that battle than Dooku. He had more potential as in a higher ceiling but the guy who was Dooku's whipping boy Kenobi brought his ceiling down ten feet at the end of rots.



Luke was armed and still had his abilities. It isn't my fault he was overwhelmed with shame. He came at Kylo first and we see how Ben responded with more than enough time for Luke to defend himself. He was armed. He does not have to scream out his intentions before reacting to what his eyes are showing him.

We also see Rey and her skills are obviously up to par with Luke when she's pissed. Her skills and powers do not matter whatsoever against Snoke. She's force raped at his will. He toyed with her while mocking her.


We go by the total picture not just the feats. Anyone who says one part of the equation only matters is a very juvenile mind. I can't force you to grasp what the film tells us. Snoke is by far more powerful than anyone in the film. We see how he overwhelms Rey with relative ease and what he does to Kylo after he mocked him. Snoke is beyond conflict and the most powerful force user seen on film especially when we take feats, statements, and the interviews which all reach the same conclusion.

Don't be a trump and say there's no collusion when it's rather obvious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am on a public forum, roid rage. I understand you can't keep your rage bottled up but try not to get so triggered all the time. Snoke is the most powerful force user ever seen thus far. It's ok, go hit the weights and try not to let that fact consume you.

Same old trolling tactics.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Same old trolling tactics. Battlezone me then. I notice all of you losers always distance yourselves from a Snoke Palpatine challenge while continuing to troll. Your feelings don't matter and aren't legitimate points.