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Vjun amped Dooku vs Mustafar Vader

Same start as in RotS with Dooku replacing Kenobi.

Vader takes his weight off the railing and turns around to see Dooku's elegant solar sailer touch down on the landing platform. The ship's ramp lowers to reveal the elder sith clad in the highest quality tunic and trousers Seranno has to offer. A set of ceremonial pauldrons sat squarely on his shoulders over his iconic cape. With a snarl, Dooku ignites his lightsaber and does a jump front-flip, placing him 10 meters in front of Vader.

Who wins and why?

Dooku

Dooku for the majority. Anakin can still win tbh

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Dooku.

By "mustafar Vader" you mean conflicted Vader? If yes, then standard version of Count Dooku takes solid majority. Vjun!D takes this every single time.

Originally posted by McP
By "mustafar Vader" you mean conflicted Vader? If yes, then standard version of Count Dooku takes solid majority. Vjun!D takes this every single time.

This.

Anakin Skywalker managed to defeat Dooku when he was fully fresh and bolstered with vengeance for him. On mustafar, Anakin is conflicted and broken. For a more in depth analysis:
Force: Anakin 6/10
Duelling: Dooku 8/10
Physical: Anakin 6/10
Tactical: Dooku Stomp

Dooku wins, but only by a 6/10 majority

Originally posted by McP
By "mustafar Vader" you mean conflicted Vader? If yes, then standard version of Count Dooku takes solid majority. Vjun!D takes this every single time.

The man who could compete with Yoda defeats the man who could not defeat someone on a lower tier than himself.

^ smh

Ordinarily my money would be on Vader, but with Vjun Dooku I guess it could go either way.

Originally posted by darthblitz76
For a more in depth analysis:
Force: Anakin 6/10
Duelling: Dooku 8/10
Physical: Anakin 6/10
Tactical: Dooku Stomp


Wtf? Mustafar's version of Anakin wasn't even superior to Kenobi in a short Force fight. Dooku takes 10/10 in the Force, Anakin is just stronger.
Physical... Anakin has superior stamina, strenght, equal speed and inferior mobility. Still, too much to give him just 6/10.
Man, are you even serious?

Originally posted by McP
By "mustafar Vader" you mean conflicted Vader? If yes, then standard version of Count Dooku takes solid majority. Vjun!D takes this every single time.

wut?

What's he going to be conflicted about? I'm sure he'd relish the opportunity to put a whooping on Dooku with his new Sith powers.

Vader

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
wut? Yes conflicted Vader. The version of Vader who couldn't defeat Kenobi because of it.

Actually he was on the verge of stomping Kenobi. The latter only started to match him after received a boost during the fight, letting go of every negative emotion and hindrance throughout his life in one go. I mean, this is made pretty clear in the novel.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Actually he was on the verge of stomping Kenobi. The latter only started to match him after received a boost during the fight, letting go of every negative emotion and hindrance throughout his life in one go. I mean, this is made pretty clear in the novel.

So in other words, he couldn't defeat Kenobi.

Originally posted by ziggtard
So in other words, he couldn't defeat Kenobi.

Yeah, a Kenobi who had elevated himself by letting go of the sum of his emotional turbulences throughout his life, except his attachment to Anakin( which he let go of later). Which, pretty evidently increased his performance significantly.

The previous iteration of Kenobi, he was evidently close to stomping, not exactly managing it only because of Obi Wan's intimate familiarity with him. Even so, in pretty short order, the fight would have been over, had Obi Wan not resorted to a cheap-shot by EM on his artificial hand.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Yeah, a Kenobi who had elevated himself by letting go of the sum of his emotional turbulences throughout his life, except his attachment to Anakin( which he let go of later). Which, pretty evidently increased his performance significantly.

The previous iteration of Kenobi, he was evidently close to stomping, not exactly managing it only because of Obi Wan's intimate familiarity with him. Even so, in pretty short order, the fight would have been over, had Obi Wan not resorted to a cheap-shot by EM on his artificial hand.

So Kenobi was about to get stomped by Anakin when somewhat restrained, but managed to defeat him when actually drawing his own full power, which he would have access to normally.

So in others words, Mustafa Anakin couldn't defeat Kenobi.

Originally posted by ziggtard
So Kenobi was about to get stomped by Anakin when somewhat restrained, but managed to defeat him when actually drawing his own full power, which he would have access to normally.

So in others words, Mustafa Anakin couldn't defeat Kenobi.

The thing is, he wasn't restrained as you are thinking. The only hesitancy he had was that he didn't want to strike Anakin down but that does nothing to prevent him from defending himself using his full power and given that he is primarily a defensive fighter basing his entire style on tiring his opponents out and exploiting gaps when they are vulnerable, there wouldn't have been much of a difference anyways.

Not to mention, after he "lets go" he still is as much attached to Anakin as he was before( until the beginning of the climax of the fight when he lets go of that as well), and there is pretty big jump in performance. It was that "letting go" of a life's worth of emotional baggage for him, except his love for Anakin, that transformed him.

In other words, Kenobi elevated himself during the fight itself. And it is pretty obvious that dropping a cumulative worth of things that haunt him since a long time would increase his capabilities. The difference in performance speaks.

So, yeah, this isn't a normal Kenobi, or a previous iteration of Kenobi. As previously, he would still have the said mental baggage.

There isn't any confusion in what you're trying to explain LOTL. That because of a passage explaining how the master eventually uses his full power, Obi Wan becomes Kenobi 2.0 with a never-seen-before boost in abilties. And while you might think your new interpretation of the scenario is correct because you came up with it, I happen to think it's retarded, and much like the MUH MEGALITH saga, it's based on very little.



So we see that there are various demons plaguing Obi Wan's conscious during the start of his battle with Anakin. Now why do you think these thoughts are lingering within during this particularly problematic scenario. Could it be because he's being sent to kill some he's personally apprenticed for a decade, whom he considers a "brother" and that Anakin's treachery is something he feels personally responsible for? Seems likely doesn't it.

So you'll have to explain to me why - or where it's pointed out - that he's carrying this same emotional baggage in fights with Grievous, Dooku or anyone else for this matter before you can conclude that Kenobi has gained some sort of permanent amp that saw him through the Mustafar fight, rather than him just using letting go and using his full power, that he can tap at any time.

I'll give a more elaborate reply later. My term exams start day after tomorrow.

Why does Matthew Stover get off so much on sentence fragments?

Anakin tbh