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WBH

I feel extremely bad for Despero. Chunks all over the ground.

Despero turns his mind into a toilet

Originally posted by MrMind
Despero turns his mind into a toilet

How would he do that? So far WB Hulk or the Green Scar resisted the mind whammy from two very powerful telepathic beings. TP may not be an option.

He's just talking. It's easy voting against 'right' when there's no demand in providing evidence.

Despero.

Despero should take this.

1. Starro Cutting Despero's head didnt finish him so what exactly is WBH going to do. He has almost complete control over his own atomic structure. To the point he has reduced himswlf to a fetus and controlled his aging.
2. Despero in TP is stronger than the combined TP of MMH and Aquaman so above anyone any Hulk has ever resisted.
3.what stops despero's TK (which is actually what his psionic eye beam atyack is) from ripping Hulk's mind apart.
4. Despero is stronger than Supes/MMH/Captain Marvel/ Hourman and powergirl. He's literally faced them all simultainioisly and no sold their combined attacks.

Hulk mindrapes him.

Despero destroys his mind

Okay so you have a mindless out of control WB Hulk stomping the living shit out of Despero like no one has ever done in comic history. Does anyone recall the mindless Hulk? Well put him at the strength level of what he was at during HOTM and you get the picture. The last thing Despero would want to do, is completely remove Banner from the Hulk.

Despero can go blow for blow, though. His strength (at peak) is insane. He can always shut down Hulk, telepathically.

Blow for blow with the world breaker?

I have the utmost respect for Despero, but going H2H with the World Breaker? I have always said the Hulk is largely a two dimensional character, and I could go into detail about the difference between strength and power ...but hand to hand versus a high level Hulk (that is already at WB level, thus taking away the ability to take him out before he sufficiently amps up) is simply not wise.

WBH.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Blow for blow with the world breaker?

Guy lifted the Rock of Eternity and manhandeled Superman quite easily.

Originally posted by Zack M
Guy lifted the Rock of Eternity and manhandeled Superman quite easily.

That's it? How heavy is the rock of eternity?

That's like asking for current energy durability feats of Wendigo and BiBeast- not scans from 1960 or whatever, lol.

Originally posted by Zack M
Guy lifted the Rock of Eternity and manhandeled Superman quite easily.

And the Hulk draws his power from an inexhaustible power source. Superman also beat Despero 1 on 1 less we forget about that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's like asking for current energy durability feats of Wendigo and BiBeast- not scans from 1960 or whatever, lol.

I don't get it. Am I suppose to guess how heavy it is? He obviously brought this up as a ft that Hulk can't achieve.

Superman at his best would be able to go blow for blow with the WB. Despero mandhandled Supes, however, as Stoic pointed out, Supes defeated him 1 on 1. I think that Despero can go blow for blow with the Hulk, for some time, but would get drained earlier than Hulk. So he needs the TP and other means to take the win. Even if the TP is only used to calm Hulk down or shut down some of his rage reservers it could do the trick. In a Forum fight a legit tech.

h2h this isn't even close. hulk slaughters him. no evidence tp would work on this level hulk so i'm not gonna say it would. it could but i don't think i'd bet on it....

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Superman at his best would be able to go blow for blow with the WB. Despero mandhandled Supes, however, as Stoic pointed out, Supes defeated him 1 on 1. I think that Despero can go blow for blow with the Hulk, for some time, but would get drained earlier than Hulk. So he needs the TP and other means to take the win. Even if the TP is only used to calm Hulk down or shut down some of his rage reservers it could do the trick. In a Forum fight a legit tech. Lol. No. WB would wreak them both. Hulk wins with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
That's it? How heavy is the rock of eternity?

Infinity.

Originally posted by Zack M
Infinity.

Inexhaustible power source. What does that all mean in the end?

Superman beat him 1 on 1, so we know the he isn't impossible to beat. And this wasn't some special amped up version of Superman either.

Originally posted by Stoic
Inexhaustible power source. What does that all mean in the end?

Superman beat him 1 on 1, so we know the he isn't impossible to beat. And this wasn't some special amped up version of Superman either.

Scans?

Originally posted by Zack M
Scans?

It's the source of where his power comes from. It was stated numerous times in his handbook bios.

You may be able to read it here.

http://marvel.com/universe/Hulk_(Bruce_Banner)#axzz4yLzM1FEi

hey guys. i'm a DC fan.

whoever is the DC guy is winning this matchup. i'm going to compare whoever it is to how he would do against superman because i believe superman beats any marvel guy. i also don't see anything wrong with thinking like this because I feel powerless in my own life and superman is kind of a captain save a hoe for me so i'll defend him with all my emotions

Savage Hulk at his best could go blow for blow with Superman. Grey Hulk at his best can go blow for blow with Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk at his best could go blow for blow with Superman. Grey Hulk at his best can go blow for blow with Superman.

This was directed at Professor.

Originally posted by Zack M
Infinity.

Based on????

WBH stomps

Originally posted by Raisen
hey guys. i'm a DC fan.

whoever is the DC guy is winning this matchup. i'm going to compare whoever it is to how he would do against superman because i believe superman beats any marvel guy. i also don't see anything wrong with thinking like this because I feel powerless in my own life and superman is kind of a captain save a hoe for me so i'll defend him with all my emotions

I guess the answer differs based on which version of Despero we use

Personally, I see no reason Despero can't mind wreck him. A punchfeat is obviously a bad choice for anybody

Originally posted by carver9
Based on????

Stated in the comics.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's the source of where his power comes from. It was stated numerous times in his handbook bios.

You may be able to read it here.

http://marvel.com/universe/Hulk_(Bruce_Banner)#axzz4yLzM1FEi

No, scans of Superman beating Despero.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
WBH stomps The Sentry

I knew you really felt this way!

Originally posted by Raisen
hey guys. i'm a DC fan.

whoever is the DC guy is winning this matchup. i'm going to compare whoever it is to how he would do against superman because i believe superman beats any marvel guy. i also don't see anything wrong with thinking like this because I feel powerless in my own life and superman is kind of a captain save a hoe for me so i'll defend him with all my emotions

Sobyou didnt read any of the discusion right???

Despero has slaughter stomped the combined might od Superman/ Captain Marvel/ Wonder Woman/ Powergirl/ Hourman and several other JLA and JSAers simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976733-jlajsavv_82.jpg

Hes done this multiple times. He did this without using his mental powers or his energy and matter manip. Any showing of Supes vs Despero 1 on 1 is nothing more than PIS given that he casually grabbed supes with one hand Capt Marvel with another and slammed them into each other taking them out.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976736-jlajsavv_84.jpg

Physically he is leagues above any other DCU character except SBP and at his peak showings Darksied (who would be close to peer).

He casually slaughter stomls half a dozen DC powerhouses physically without employing his more powerful powers.

In TP he casually deals with 2 TP powerhouses simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589215-5845396020-marti.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781901-despero+-+fight+vs+aquaman+-+jla+v1+-+issue+118+%28005%29.png

There was mention of him being hurt by sharks. This wasnt true. A few oages before this Aquaman had a dozen or so sharks attack him it was no more than a distraction.

Tjen there is the little matter of Desperos absolutely insane level of regeneration. He has even been able to regenerate from being nothing more than atoms anf energy paterns.

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781699-despero+-+regeneration+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+038+%28001%29.png

That took time admittedly but the damage WBH will bring wont. Hes has his head cut off and been able to fight.

Is he just supposed to leave the rest of his powers at home?? Like energy blasts that casually shatter Green Lantern defences

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5779171-despero+-+energy+projection+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+039+%28001%29.png

Or TK that freezes people in place, contain them in bubbles. What about projected illusions, and gis gypnotic 3rd eye.

Despero isnt impervious, his durability is due to his abiliry to control his own atomic steicture and reform much the way Sentry can. As a characterhe is far more on Death Seed Sentry level than Superman. In a purely h2h battle with no access to his other powers yes WBH would win after a hard battle. With him allowed to use his TK, Illusions, Energy manip, and TP I dont see how it can be.

And I'm sorry Hulks resistance to TP isny what it once was

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY2Ma6QmTIMI9fTLKwfnVggCqPNr21hCy-FX1HkxfrYlTsdIAafdNkEPKd

Originally posted by Zack M
Stated in the comics.

Scans.

Originally posted by beatboks
Sobyou didnt read any of the discusion right???

Despero has slaughter stomped the combined might od Superman/ Captain Marvel/ Wonder Woman/ Powergirl/ Hourman and several other JLA and JSAers simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976733-jlajsavv_82.jpg

Hes done this multiple times. He did this without using his mental powers or his energy and matter manip. Any showing of Supes vs Despero 1 on 1 is nothing more than PIS given that he casually grabbed supes with one hand Capt Marvel with another and slammed them into each other taking them out.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976736-jlajsavv_84.jpg

Physically he is leagues above any other DCU character except SBP and at his peak showings Darksied (who would be close to peer).

He casually slaughter stomls half a dozen DC powerhouses physically without employing his more powerful powers.

In TP he casually deals with 2 TP powerhouses simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589215-5845396020-marti.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781901-despero+-+fight+vs+aquaman+-+jla+v1+-+issue+118+%28005%29.png

There was mention of him being hurt by sharks. This wasnt true. A few oages before this Aquaman had a dozen or so sharks attack him it was no more than a distraction.

Tjen there is the little matter of Desperos absolutely insane level of regeneration. He has even been able to regenerate from being nothing more than atoms anf energy paterns.

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781699-despero+-+regeneration+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+038+%28001%29.png

That took time admittedly but the damage WBH will bring wont. Hes has his head cut off and been able to fight.

Is he just supposed to leave the rest of his powers at home?? Like energy blasts that casually shatter Green Lantern defences

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5779171-despero+-+energy+projection+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+039+%28001%29.png

Or TK that freezes people in place, contain them in bubbles. What about projected illusions, and gis gypnotic 3rd eye.

Despero isnt impervious, his durability is due to his abiliry to control his own atomic steicture and reform much the way Sentry can. As a characterhe is far more on Death Seed Sentry level than Superman. In a purely h2h battle with no access to his other powers yes WBH would win after a hard battle. With him allowed to use his TK, Illusions, Energy manip, and TP I dont see how it can be.

And I'm sorry Hulks resistance to TP isny what it once was

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY2Ma6QmTIMI9fTLKwfnVggCqPNr21hCy-FX1HkxfrYlTsdIAafdNkEPKd

He was using TP in the scans you posted. He was tping them while adding physical might behind his attack. Also, Hulk resisted Charles in the scan you posted.

Originally posted by beatboks
Sobyou didnt read any of the discusion right???

Despero has slaughter stomped the combined might od Superman/ Captain Marvel/ Wonder Woman/ Powergirl/ Hourman and several other JLA and JSAers simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976733-jlajsavv_82.jpg

Hes done this multiple times. He did this without using his mental powers or his energy and matter manip. Any showing of Supes vs Despero 1 on 1 is nothing more than PIS given that he casually grabbed supes with one hand Capt Marvel with another and slammed them into each other taking them out.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976736-jlajsavv_84.jpg

Physically he is leagues above any other DCU character except SBP and at his peak showings Darksied (who would be close to peer).

He casually slaughter stomls half a dozen DC powerhouses physically without employing his more powerful powers.

In TP he casually deals with 2 TP powerhouses simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589215-5845396020-marti.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781901-despero+-+fight+vs+aquaman+-+jla+v1+-+issue+118+%28005%29.png

There was mention of him being hurt by sharks. This wasnt true. A few oages before this Aquaman had a dozen or so sharks attack him it was no more than a distraction.

Tjen there is the little matter of Desperos absolutely insane level of regeneration. He has even been able to regenerate from being nothing more than atoms anf energy paterns.

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781699-despero+-+regeneration+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+038+%28001%29.png

That took time admittedly but the damage WBH will bring wont. Hes has his head cut off and been able to fight.

Is he just supposed to leave the rest of his powers at home?? Like energy blasts that casually shatter Green Lantern defences

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5779171-despero+-+energy+projection+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+039+%28001%29.png

Or TK that freezes people in place, contain them in bubbles. What about projected illusions, and gis gypnotic 3rd eye.

Despero isnt impervious, his durability is due to his abiliry to control his own atomic steicture and reform much the way Sentry can. As a characterhe is far more on Death Seed Sentry level than Superman. In a purely h2h battle with no access to his other powers yes WBH would win after a hard battle. With him allowed to use his TK, Illusions, Energy manip, and TP I dont see how it can be.

And I'm sorry Hulks resistance to TP isny what it once was

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY2Ma6QmTIMI9fTLKwfnVggCqPNr21hCy-FX1HkxfrYlTsdIAafdNkEPKd

Yeah, he had his head cut off and was still talking like it was nothing.

Originally posted by beatboks
Sobyou didnt read any of the discusion right???

Despero has slaughter stomped the combined might od Superman/ Captain Marvel/ Wonder Woman/ Powergirl/ Hourman and several other JLA and JSAers simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976733-jlajsavv_82.jpg

Hes done this multiple times. He did this without using his mental powers or his energy and matter manip. Any showing of Supes vs Despero 1 on 1 is nothing more than PIS given that he casually grabbed supes with one hand Capt Marvel with another and slammed them into each other taking them out.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976736-jlajsavv_84.jpg

Physically he is leagues above any other DCU character except SBP and at his peak showings Darksied (who would be close to peer).

He casually slaughter stomls half a dozen DC powerhouses physically without employing his more powerful powers.

In TP he casually deals with 2 TP powerhouses simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589215-5845396020-marti.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781901-despero+-+fight+vs+aquaman+-+jla+v1+-+issue+118+%28005%29.png

There was mention of him being hurt by sharks. This wasnt true. A few oages before this Aquaman had a dozen or so sharks attack him it was no more than a distraction.

Tjen there is the little matter of Desperos absolutely insane level of regeneration. He has even been able to regenerate from being nothing more than atoms anf energy paterns.

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781699-despero+-+regeneration+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+038+%28001%29.png

That took time admittedly but the damage WBH will bring wont. Hes has his head cut off and been able to fight.

Is he just supposed to leave the rest of his powers at home?? Like energy blasts that casually shatter Green Lantern defences

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5779171-despero+-+energy+projection+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+039+%28001%29.png

Or TK that freezes people in place, contain them in bubbles. What about projected illusions, and gis gypnotic 3rd eye.

Despero isnt impervious, his durability is due to his abiliry to control his own atomic steicture and reform much the way Sentry can. As a characterhe is far more on Death Seed Sentry level than Superman. In a purely h2h battle with no access to his other powers yes WBH would win after a hard battle. With him allowed to use his TK, Illusions, Energy manip, and TP I dont see how it can be.

And I'm sorry Hulks resistance to TP isny what it once was

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY2Ma6QmTIMI9fTLKwfnVggCqPNr21hCy-FX1HkxfrYlTsdIAafdNkEPKd

WB Hulk's intestines alone were leagues above Despero at his most powerful level. He was written up to be that ridiculous. All of the guys that you mentioned were well below WB Hulk in terms of power. Superman defeating Despero wasn't PIS, because Superman routinely holds his power in check. He recently did it against Deathstroke, and Superman has gone toe to toe with Darkseid and won. It's only PIS if it happens once, but Superman has broken his self imposed barriers more times than his most staunch fans can count, as has the Hulk. This particular Hulk blew away anything that he has ever done in his entire history. He was throwing around so much power that he turned a highly amplified Fin Fang Foom to dust, and on regular levels Fin Fang Foom was a mountain crusher as seen when Iron man and War machine went up against him several years past.

Despero on the other hand was physically hurt by Lobo, who in his own right is very strong, but not this kind of strong.

Originally posted by beatboks
Sobyou didnt read any of the discusion right???

Despero has slaughter stomped the combined might od Superman/ Captain Marvel/ Wonder Woman/ Powergirl/ Hourman and several other JLA and JSAers simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976733-jlajsavv_82.jpg

Hes done this multiple times. He did this without using his mental powers or his energy and matter manip. Any showing of Supes vs Despero 1 on 1 is nothing more than PIS given that he casually grabbed supes with one hand Capt Marvel with another and slammed them into each other taking them out.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/976736-jlajsavv_84.jpg

Physically he is leagues above any other DCU character except SBP and at his peak showings Darksied (who would be close to peer).

He casually slaughter stomls half a dozen DC powerhouses physically without employing his more powerful powers.

In TP he casually deals with 2 TP powerhouses simultaineously.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589215-5845396020-marti.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781901-despero+-+fight+vs+aquaman+-+jla+v1+-+issue+118+%28005%29.png

There was mention of him being hurt by sharks. This wasnt true. A few oages before this Aquaman had a dozen or so sharks attack him it was no more than a distraction.

Tjen there is the little matter of Desperos absolutely insane level of regeneration. He has even been able to regenerate from being nothing more than atoms anf energy paterns.

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5781699-despero+-+regeneration+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+038+%28001%29.png

That took time admittedly but the damage WBH will bring wont. Hes has his head cut off and been able to fight.

Is he just supposed to leave the rest of his powers at home?? Like energy blasts that casually shatter Green Lantern defences

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/5779171-despero+-+energy+projection+-+justice+league+america+v1+-+issue+039+%28001%29.png

Or TK that freezes people in place, contain them in bubbles. What about projected illusions, and gis gypnotic 3rd eye.

Despero isnt impervious, his durability is due to his abiliry to control his own atomic steicture and reform much the way Sentry can. As a characterhe is far more on Death Seed Sentry level than Superman. In a purely h2h battle with no access to his other powers yes WBH would win after a hard battle. With him allowed to use his TK, Illusions, Energy manip, and TP I dont see how it can be.

And I'm sorry Hulks resistance to TP isny what it once was

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY2Ma6QmTIMI9fTLKwfnVggCqPNr21hCy-FX1HkxfrYlTsdIAafdNkEPKd

hey guys. i'm a DC fan.

whoever is the DC guy is winning this matchup. i'm going to compare whoever it is to how he would do against superman because i believe superman beats any marvel guy. i also don't see anything wrong with thinking like this because I feel powerless in my own life and superman is kind of a captain save a hoe for me so i'll defend him with all my emotions

Despero wins, with ease.

WBH crushes him.

WBH resistance to telepathy should be tremendous at that point.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
WBH crushes Death Sentry.

WBH resistance to matter manipulation should be tremendous at that point.

More.

Originally posted by Raisen
hey guys. i'm a DC fan.

whoever is the DC guy is winning this matchup. i'm going to compare whoever it is to how he would do against superman because i believe superman beats any marvel guy. i also don't see anything wrong with thinking like this because I feel powerless in my own life and superman is kind of a captain save a hoe for me so i'll defend him with all my emotions

Originally posted by Raisen
hey guys. i'm a DC fan.

whoever is the DC guy is winning this matchup. i'm going to compare whoever it is to how he would do against superman because i believe superman beats any marvel guy. i also don't see anything wrong with thinking like this because I feel powerless in my own life and superman is kind of a captain save a hoe for me so i'll defend him with all my emotions

True

He believes that Dr Fate has reality warping powers at universal-level by the way. -.-

Originally posted by RealityWarper
True

He believes that Dr Fate has reality warping powers at universal-level by the way. -.-

Do you even know who Dr Fate is?

Despero loses.

Originally posted by SquallX
Do you even know who Dr Fate is? Do you?!

Originally posted by Mindset
Do you?!

You don't!

You have 10 seconds to name a Dr. Fate!

GO!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You don't!

You have 10 seconds to name a Dr. Fate!

GO! You really shouldn't sass your KMC boss like that.

Originally posted by Mindset
Do you?!

In the overall picture of those that wore the helmet, I don't know much. But I do know of some feats of the first Fate.

Originally posted by Badabing
You really shouldn't sass your KMC boss like that.

NO ONE BOSSES THE MIGHTY LOB!!!

Originally posted by carver9
He was using TP in the scans you posted. He was tping them while adding physical might behind his attack. Also, Hulk resisted Charles in the scan you posted.

The only time he used anything other than physical strength and durability in vision and vice was when he used energy projection to take out Hawkman at range. That is blatantly false

Charles is MMH level and Despero mind rapes him when he has someone else almost Charlse's level helping him. Part of the point is that even the best TP resistance feats Hulk has aren't against the same level as Despero. Added to which as I've pointed at a few times now his usual Psionic assault is a mix of TP TK (leaning more to the latter)

https://imgur.com/a/iy0cT

Notice how you actually see an energy beam from his third eye?? Also notice how everyone hr controls actually has a representation of his third eye in their forehead??? BTW this is what it would have looked like if he had used TP vs the JLA/JSA in vision and vice. he would have had them slaughter each other and not sullied his hands.

https://imgur.com/a/ZXRB9

see how we see that energy beam again?

http://i.imgur.com/7ssOtcD.jpg

There's that pesky energy again.

https://imgur.com/a/9NuCi

Energy beam at Flash again (who BTW has every bit of the TP resistance feats Hulk has for a similar reason)

Despero Physically restrained Starro in REBELS (the same Starro who also soloed a similar team physically)

Originally posted by Stoic
WB Hulk's intestines alone were leagues above Despero at his most powerful level. He was written up to be that ridiculous.

Sorry???

http://i.imgur.com/eZQ2uVL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zvODUL1.jpg

Despero at his most powerful could turn mere stone into an army, a skyscraper into an alien animal resembling a dragon. He was capable of reality warping.

I want to see the scans of WBH defying reality manipulation



First of Deathstroke isn't much of a feat for Supes, I;d expect him to slaughter.

Second the only victories Supes has ever had vs Darksied have been hugely reliant on plot *the ver definition of PIS)

third because of the last statement you made (underlined) being complete and utter F#$ing garbage I'm going to request scans of this defeat Superman has had over Despero. Because I've spent an hour Googling for it and can't find a single scan where Superman looks good vs Despero solo.

No to address the bald faced lie about Lobo hurting Despero.

Lobo has never even Fought Despero. He has fought L-Ron in Despero's body. L-ron was a robot servant to the JLA who when he fought Lobo had been in Despero's body for all of a few hours. He was completely unfamiliar with controlling an organic life form let alone had a full ahndle on all Desperos powers. He still wasn't damaged by Lobo AT ALL

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1105612-justiceleagueamerica58p02.jpg

So if taking a few hits from Lobo when he is actually WORKING OUT (his own words and by those same words he never does), All he manages to do is ake afew lumps before he replies and sends Lobo flying.

here is next issue's continuation

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1105611-justiceleagueamerica58p01.jpg

And that is vs a Despero body under the control of an artificial intelligence that has no idea how to use that body to it;s best. It's also vs a guy who can when he is working hard pull stellar mass out of the sky

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111251126/5034809-9633783150-11-1..jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111251126/5034810-4511979408-12-1..jpg

So a guy who when working outr can pull stars outr of the sky lays two heymackers when also working out and can't even put an inexperienced mind controlling apowerhouse body down and gets pasted straight away is your idea of a feat for the character at full control of his powers being hurt?????

I call BS on that shit

When beatboks goes on the rampage....

lol

Originally posted by Raisen
hey guys. i'm a DC fan.

Actually I'm a comic fan not a DC fan. Currently debating Faggirl over on ICT when where I'm repping MCU Hela vs her ridiculously biased view of DCEU WW



Sorry my mistake, its not that you didn't read but your ability to is limited. I mean why else would you repeat this ridiculous statement when it's countering a statement that clearly implies Superman would loose to the Marvel character in question I pretty much stated that Despero in a purely h2h hand fight would loose to WBH and that same character in that same style of fight beat Superman when he has the help of three others in his strength level and several others for support in the evidence I offered.

Who's the fanboy here??? It's not the one offering evidence to support their stance.



this explains a lot, Never knew you had literacy problems also.

I have never made such a statement. Fact is I have never even stated reality warping is a power of any version of Fate. Being immune to reality manipulation is not the same thing as possessing reality maniip.

Don't swallow that foot now will you

Originally posted by RealityWarper
WBH crushes him.

WBH resistance to telepathy should be tremendous at that point.

Are you saying it's better then Charles Xavier?

Because Martian Manhunter's tp is totally comparable to Charles Xavier, and Despero ripped through his mental defenses like they weren't there.

beatbok's, good post, but just a fyi the Despero Lobo fought was still Despero. L-Ron entered him at the END of that fight, which put a stop to it.

That still isn't a knock on Despero, as fluxuations in power level are practically a part of Lobo's character. He goes from fighting Despero, to struggling with Batman, Hitman, and Vril Dox (An amped Dox, but still..)

Emma was blocking Xavier:
http://i58.tinypic.com/25tj5s9.jpg

The Cuckoos were going to block Xavier, and made him back down like a little b!tch:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/1771264-world_war_hulk___x_men__002_008.jpg

Making out like Xavier in the WWH was some uber psychic is false.

Originally posted by cdtm
Are you saying it's better then Charles Xavier?

Because Martian Manhunter's tp is totally comparable to Charles Xavier, and Despero ripped through his mental defenses like they weren't there.

It's WBH here, not the regular Green Scar.

The regular Green Scar's rage was enough to push Xavier out of his mind.

This one is pure rage, Despero will not beat him via TP.

Originally posted by cdtm
beatbok's, good post, but just a fyi the Despero Lobo fought was still Despero. L-Ron entered him at the END of that fight, which put a stop to it.

That still isn't a knock on Despero, as fluxuations in power level are practically a part of Lobo's character. He goes from fighting Despero, to struggling with Batman, Hitman, and Vril Dox (An amped Dox, but still..)

Thanks for the correction.

I just quickly reread JLE 32=34 and JLA 57-58 after seeing your post.

Yeah I got it a bit backward. For some reason I remembered L-ron taking over Despero after the JLE battle with him in 33 before Lobo Arrived. The issue where Lobo is pretty much just watching and having a chat to Guy Gardner. I see now it was just the issue that L-ron saw Despero was wearing one of his thought control collars and came up with the plan to take him over.

There's still definitely no sign anywhere in the Breakdowns arc of Lobo ever actually doing any damage to Despero.

Originally posted by beatboks
Actually I'm a comic fan not a DC fan. Currently debating Faggirl over on ICT when where I'm repping MCU Hela vs her ridiculously biased view of DCEU WW



Sorry my mistake, its not that you didn't read but your ability to is limited. I mean why else would you repeat this ridiculous statement when it's countering a statement that clearly implies Superman would loose to the Marvel character in question I pretty much stated that Despero in a purely h2h hand fight would loose to WBH and that same character in that same style of fight beat Superman when he has the help of three others in his strength level and several others for support in the evidence I offered.

Who's the fanboy here??? It's not the one offering evidence to support their stance.



this explains a lot, Never knew you had literacy problems also.

I have never made such a statement. Fact is I have never even stated reality warping is a power of any version of Fate. Being immune to reality manipulation is not the same thing as possessing reality maniip.

Don't swallow that foot now will you

chill out.
go out and do some grown up shiit

this shiit isn't that serious dude.

Originally posted by Raisen
chill out.
go out and do some grown up shiit

this shiit isn't that serious dude.


Chillin is exactly what Ive been doing here. I've been on leave the last week at twin waters on the sunshine coast taking the kids sailing, Kayaking, and other sports daily.

This shit isnt serious and never was. I just needed something for my brain to do, theres a limit to how much vegging out you can take and not go mental

Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's WBH here, not the regular Green Scar.

The regular Green Scar's rage was enough to push Xavier out of his mind.

This one is pure rage, Despero will not beat him via TP.

I dont think anyones really argued that he will. TP is only one of Despero's powers. He has a hypnotic stare that isnt TP based, illusions also not TP based but a projection, TK that is uber on the scales, teleportation to use for a possible BFR, energy manipulation and some showings of matter manip (he cas complete control of his own atoms). In Strength WBH is above him no doubt but not by a large margin considerimg how easily he deals with multiple class 100+++ on multiple occasions.

If this was a purely physical fight I have no doubt tjay WBH would win. Deapero would make him work for that win which very few can do, but a win it would be. The thing is nothing in the OP says he cant use his other powers. Look to tje scans of Vision and Vice as to how easily his energy blasts take down Hawkman. The Nth metal worn by HM has always protected him from energy attacks because it absorbs energy. Its literally why he can go in space with only an air mask. Despero's energy blast is the only one ever shown to affect HM.

WBH is stronger
Regeneration is about even though there are instances where Despero regenerates slower (usually when hes reduced to an energy state or atoms, total decapatation has also taken him a while)

BUT then there is all the other powers Despero has beside TP that he can still team bust a team of low to mid heralds with. Added to which his main psionic attack is a mix of TP/TK/energy blast that shuts brains down so not a stict TP assault trying to control someone.

Most of tje attacks Hulk would use Deapero can endure. He's susceptible to piercing and slicing attacks bit again anything short of total decapatation isnt going to stop him for long. With jis TK and energy projection he can lay attacks on WBH from a distance that will have an effect. He can also divert WBH away from him with illusion projections. Physically I dont see a match for Despero in DC except MAYBE SBP, it takes several herald level DCU characters combined to physically challenge him.

I dont see how WBH can take a majority vs all that on the levels Despero operates on. I can see it becoming a stalemate due to both their insane durability and due to the fact a protracted battle between them is goimg to make Hulk angrier and Despero feel hate toward Hulk and his hate grow also (essentially continually amping them both, which would also make for an insanely good battle)

Actually think about it, this is a crossover I now want to see happen.

This would go unnoticed by WB Hulk.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1105612-justiceleagueamerica58p02.jpg

This would go unnoticed by WB Hulk as well

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/3720928-despero+vs+mmh+%26+am+%288%29.jpg

despero is nowhere close, typically, to his v&v portrayal. though i think that scene of banging heads together gets utterly overblown in the forum. in h2h this is a no-contest imo. tp makes it questionable, but like i said, i really can't see it working, or maybe it works to a limited degree, not sure. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
despero is nowhere close, typically, to his v&v portrayal. though i think that scene of banging heads together gets utterly overblown in the forum. in h2h this is a no-contest imo. tp makes it questionable, but like i said, i really can't see it working, or maybe it works to a limited degree, not sure. /shrug

The hit to his face by Hawkman's mace would go unnoticed by WB Hulk as well. It really isn't close physically at all.

Originally posted by Stoic
This would go unnoticed by WB Hulk.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1105612-justiceleagueamerica58p02.jpg

Based on?

Originally posted by cdtm
Based on?

What do you mean based on? You already know. Don't be that guy. The Green Scar's very intestines were able to take a hit from a being capable of hitting harder than Immortal Hercules if he were 133.5X stronger. This was when he was in a relatively calm state as well. He goes on to take a hit by Betty (Red She Hulk) who was equal to him in strength and she hit him with a magical weapon forged in Asgard and enchanted by Odin himself. This was unable to cleave him in two. Meanwhile Despero gets his head cut off with ease.

Wendigo and Bi-Beast are class 100's and they didn't even register when they hit him... It was as they weren't even there. While Despero is effected by hits from Aquaman, Lobo, and Hawkman. The difference in durability is light years apart. To add to this, he became a great deal more powerful than this by the end of HOTM. Why pretend as if these two guys are on the same level physically? They aren't. Attempting to find a weakness in this version of the hulk has left people claiming that he died when no one saw him or Betty die. Bi-Beast and the gang on the other hand would have continued to die up til this very day if he wanted to continue playing with them.

Oh yeah and just so that I don't forget. Lobo hit Darkseid in the face and broke his hand, while actually being able to do damage to Despero. So once again Despero is shown to be several paces away from the big leagues. While Superman flat out broke Darkseid's ass. In other words, Darkseid would spam whip on Despero.

Originally posted by leonidas
despero is nowhere close, typically, to his v&v portrayal. though i think that scene of banging heads together gets utterly overblown in the forum. in h2h this is a no-contest imo. tp makes it questionable, but like i said, i really can't see it working, or maybe it works to a limited degree, not sure. /shrug

Crisis of conscience and breakdowns pretty much show him doing the exact same thing (physically contending with multiple heavy hitters in a brawl). There are a few others as well, like physically retraining Starro in Rebels.

In those other tales he has physically simultaineoisly fought MMH/ PG/ WW/ Capt Atom/ Guy Gardner. In the crisis of conscience before he casually TP wielded them against each other he was being simyltaineously physically engaged by Supes/ MMH/ Hal/ Flash/ Aquaman/ and some fodder JLA and wasnt even being slowed down.

so I fail to see how its not close to his norm when we have three different arks in which hes on this level physically. Fact is the only other arcs he was in post coie he was still connected to the fire of Pytar that transformed him into this physical beast and the story where he was slaughtering the league until Jonn gifted him his Martian mind bliss thing. In all 4 of 5 arcs he completely domimated a team of low to mid heralds (the one where Jonn mimd blissed him was detroit era league and the plot device was necessary because they werent in the same league- pun unintended). So it actually seems pretty damn comsistent.

Besides which prior to the banging of heads he literally had Supes, Cap Marvel, WW, PG, and Hourman all trying to wrestle him down and being flung off like chaff. Lets

Originally posted by Stoic
What do you mean based on? You already know. Don't be that guy. The Green Scar's very intestines were able to take a hit from a being capable of hitting harder than Immortal Hercules if he were 133.5X stronger. This was when he was in a relatively calm state as well. He goes on to take a hit by Betty (Red She Hulk) who was equal to him in strength and she hit him with a magical weapon forged in Asgard and enchanted by Odin himself. This was unable to cleave him in two. Meanwhile Despero gets his head cut off with ease.

Wendigo and Bi-Beast are class 100's and they didn't even register when they hit him... It was as they weren't even there. While Despero is effected by hits from Aquaman, Lobo, and Hawkman. The difference in durability is light years apart. To add to this, he became a great deal more powerful than this by the end of HOTM. Why pretend as if these two guys are on the same level physically? They aren't. Attempting to find a weakness in this version of the hulk has left people claiming that he died when no one saw him or Betty die. Bi-Beast and the gang on the other hand would have continued to die up til this very day if he wanted to continue playing with them.

Good to know, so in your opinion a lobo goimg hard (as he stated) is onntje same level as red she hulk, Wendigo, and Bi-beast. Will remember for the next Lovo vs thread.

I guess Abhi was right and Lobo's nowhere near Supes level.

Originally posted by beatboks
Crisis of conscience and breakdowns pretty much show him doing the exact same thing (physically contending with multiple heavy hitters in a brawl). There are a few others as well, like physically retraining Starro in Rebels.

In those other tales he has physically simultaineoisly fought MMH/ PG/ WW/ Capt Atom/ Guy Gardner. In the crisis of conscience before he casually TP wielded them against each other he was being simyltaineously physically engaged by Supes/ MMH/ Hal/ Flash/ Aquaman/ and some fodder JLA and wasnt even being slowed down.

so I fail to see how its not close to his norm when we have three different arks in which hes on this level physically. Fact is the only other arcs he was in post coie he was still connected to the fire of Pytar that transformed him into this physical beast and the story where he was slaughtering the league until Jonn gifted him his Martian mind bliss thing. In all 4 of 5 arcs he completely domimated a team of low to mid heralds (the one where Jonn mimd blissed him was detroit era league and the plot device was necessary because they werent in the same league- pun unintended). So it actually seems pretty damn comsistent.

Besides which prior to the banging of heads he literally had Supes, Cap Marvel, WW, PG, and Hourman all trying to wrestle him down and being flung off like chaff. Lets

But were any of them able to hit with the force equal to 133.5X Immortal Hercules strength? The Hulk took this hit to his intestines. That would arguably be the weakest part of his body besides maybe the eyes. We can argue in circles on whether or not Despero would be able to take control of the Hulk in the state that he was in after his return from Sakaar, but there really isn't any proof, just like there is no proof that J'onn could defeat Xavier in a TP battle that took place on the Astral Plane.

All we have left that is a certainty is an immanent physical confrontation. Aquaman was able to send Despero reeling, Lobo sent him reeling, and Hawkman the weakest of the bunch sent him reeling.

The Hulk was snuffing out large planets with real gravity like the were made of cake and pudding. He beat up two Savage Hulk level foes on Earth that were amplified 1000X greater than base according to citation. This was all before he completely let loose after he'd gotten to the Dark Dimension. By the end of the HOTM story, he had grown significantly more powerful than when he was when he was flattening planets.

Bi-Beast is probably stronger than Aquaman having taken on She Hulk and the Merged Professor Hulk. He was unable to even register while hitting the Hulk. Wendigo's claws slid harmlessly off of his skin. While Despero was affected by near pears of these guys in strength.

How can you even begin to compare them in terms of physical might? The Hulk in this case blows him out of the water. I have to crash, but seriously think about it.

Originally posted by beatboks
Chillin is exactly what Ive been doing here. I've been on leave the last week at twin waters on the sunshine coast taking the kids sailing, Kayaking, and other sports daily.

This shit isnt serious and never was. I just needed something for my brain to do, theres a limit to how much vegging out you can take and not go mental

true. I get that

Originally posted by beatboks
Good to know, so in your opinion a lobo goimg hard (as he stated) is onntje same level as red she hulk, Wendigo, and Bi-beast. Will remember for the next Lovo vs thread.

I guess Abhi was right and Lobo's nowhere near Supes level.

Red She Hulk amps in power the other do not which is why she wasn't turned to dust like Bi-Beast. Red Hulk's borrow power so you may want to keep that in mind if you bring them up. The Wishing Well allowed for Betty to keep pace with the Hulk because if not for it, she would have reached her max, and begun to overheat like Ross did when he simultaneously fought Savage Hulk and Thor. Lobo is extremely strong, but he isn't Superman strong. J'onn strong is closer to his level.

Originally posted by beatboks
The only time he used anything other than physical strength and durability in vision and vice was when he used energy projection to take out Hawkman at range. That is blatantly false

Charles is MMH level and Despero mind rapes him when he has someone else almost Charlse's level helping him. Part of the point is that even the best TP resistance feats Hulk has aren't against the same level as Despero. Added to which as I've pointed at a few times now his usual Psionic assault is a mix of TP TK (leaning more to the latter)

https://imgur.com/a/iy0cT

Notice how you actually see an energy beam from his third eye?? Also notice how everyone hr controls actually has a representation of his third eye in their forehead??? BTW this is what it would have looked like if he had used TP vs the JLA/JSA in vision and vice. he would have had them slaughter each other and not sullied his hands.

https://imgur.com/a/ZXRB9

see how we see that energy beam again?

http://i.imgur.com/7ssOtcD.jpg

There's that pesky energy again.

https://imgur.com/a/9NuCi

Energy beam at Flash again (who BTW has every bit of the TP resistance feats Hulk has for a similar reason)

Despero Physically restrained Starro in REBELS (the same Starro who also soloed a similar team physically)

Look at the scan you posted in your previous post with him vs the JLA. His head is glowing each time he attacked them. Yes, he was using TP.

Hulk would power through his TP.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Emma was blocking Xavier:
http://i58.tinypic.com/25tj5s9.jpg

The Cuckoos were going to block Xavier, and made him back down like a little b!tch:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/1771264-world_war_hulk___x_men__002_008.jpg

Making out like Xavier in the WWH was some uber psychic is false.

Look at the scene after Charles is done mind attacking Hulk. The backlash dropped Emma. She had no play in anything because she wasn't strong enough but Hulk was fine afterwards.

Carver, enough talk!

Throw down the Battlezone gauntlet!

Originally posted by carver9
Look at the scan you posted in your previous post with him vs the JLA. His head is glowing each time he attacked them. Yes, he was using TP.

Hulk would power through his TP.

Have another look yourself there is no sign of energy discharge from him as Ive shown. If your referring to tje glowing eye that osnt a sign of his TP, its a sign of the energy of the flame of Pytar still in him being used. THAT is where his strength and regeneration comes from. He acquired these abilities only after he had joimed with tje flame and lost the reality manip when his hard line link was severed.

Without a glowing eye he isnt even super strong.

So basically you got nothing to prove he ised TP it just suits your stance to say so despite no evidence to the contrary???

So basically I'm a marvel fan and because x from Dc has y power which doesnt matter any win he has not using it did because otherwise i loose.

And the bias claim is thrown at me, RIGHT

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Carver, enough talk!

Throw down the Battlezone gauntlet!

I have half a mind to shame your red underweared degenerate if you keep offering BZ challenges!!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Carver, enough talk!

Throw down the Battlezone gauntlet! LoB have you seen all the dceu movies ?

Originally posted by carver9
Look at the scan you posted in your previous post with him vs the JLA. His head is glowing each time he attacked them. Yes, he was using TP.

Hulk would power through his TP.

Carver, have you ever thought about rethinking... everything?

Originally posted by cdtm
Carver, have you ever thought about rethinking... everything?

I know right?
I show him scans of and mention an energy BEAM shown almost every time despero uses tp and refer to the "glowing third eyes on the heads of those he TPs (not himself)" when such a thing isnt shown and he responds with something that is neither as a retort as though it proves something.

I guess I have to spoon feed the energy showings every time he hit the hero's. I'll circle it for you so that you can see it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I have half a mind to shame your red underweared degenerate if you keep offering BZ challenges!!!!

YOU'D DO WELL TO SILENCE YOUR WHORE MOUTH AGAINST THE LORD OF THE BATTLEZONES

Originally posted by quanchi112
LoB have you seen all the dceu movies ?

I have not seen what will be THE film of the year Justice League yet.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I have not seen what will be THE film of the year Justice League yet.

Hoping that it's good. Early reviews are not very encouraging though.

Hulk stomps easily

Wooooowwww... Naija is back. Good to have you back bro.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I have not seen what will be THE film of the year Justice League yet. Do not go on with expectations that high you'll be disappointed.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess I have to spoon feed the energy showings every time he hit the hero's. I'll circle it for you so that you can see it.

You don't even know what "spoon feed" means. You just saw it and started parroting it because you think it makes you look witty and clever. Although you don't know what either of those words mean either.



The irony of you not actually knowing what "spoon feed" means is someone has to do that for you daily because feeding yourself and chewing is too mentally taxing.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You don't even know what "spoon feed" means. You just saw it and started parroting it because you think it makes you look witty and clever. Although you don't know what either of those words mean either.



The irony of you not actually knowing what "spoon feed" means is someone has to do that for you daily because feeding yourself and chewing is too mentally taxing. Quit playing around with carver.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Cbtfi2gQbUAgw/200.gif

Originally posted by Delta1938
You don't even know what "spoon feed" means. You just saw it and started parroting it because you think it makes you look witty and clever. Although you don't know what either of those words mean either.



The irony of you not actually knowing what "spoon feed" means is someone has to do that for you daily because feeding yourself and chewing is too mentally taxing.

Deeeelta! Where have you been?

Originally posted by carver9
I guess I have to spoon feed the energy showings every time he hit the hero's. I'll circle it for you so that you can see it.

Go right ahead and make a fool of yourself. the only "energy" shown in any scan is the signs of impact from blows. Know how we know that's what it is?? because every single bit of color is around/ coming from the point of impact. Like when pg and Hourman punched him in the gut (accompanied by the KRAATCH ) when Cap struck him in the head, when PG struck the cage (FWASSHT).

OR DO YOU THINK HAWKMAN'S MACE ALSO GIVES OF TP ENERGY???

@stoic Hawkman is the physical weakest yes, but his mace is laced with 5% Nth metal. the metal that affects gravity and electromagnetic forces and can increase striking power quite a bit. With a larger more pure piece of Nth metal (the claw or Horus) he knocked Superman into orbit. Using his mace he has hurt Black Adam, and other high tiers as well and he didn't do much damage to Despero. considering Despero isn't invulnerable etc and his durability is solely from regeneration the fact that he can tank so much is quite impressive really. That mind you is without using his TK to shield himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do not go on with expectations that high you'll be disappointed.

I don't think anyone who knows the source material will be disappointing. I loved it personally. As usual critics who are expecting a movie to align with a version of a character that is either outdated or from a non comic related source aren't looking at what a comic fan would in the same way.

my eldest daughter ranked the movie as just below Ragnorak (still her favorite) and my son who's more a marvel fan actually favored it. He now wishes he could see a movie crossover between JL and the avengers line up from Civil War movie (Bat's on cap's side Supes on IM's)

Your son is wise beyond his years

Originally posted by beatboks
Go right ahead and make a fool of yourself. the only "energy" shown in any scan is the signs of impact from blows. Know how we know that's what it is?? because every single bit of color is around/ coming from the point of impact. Like when pg and Hourman punched him in the gut (accompanied by the KRAATCH ) when Cap struck him in the head, when PG struck the cage (FWASSHT).

OR DO YOU THINK HAWKMAN'S MACE ALSO GIVES OF TP ENERGY???

@stoic Hawkman is the physical weakest yes, but his mace is laced with 5% Nth metal. the metal that affects gravity and electromagnetic forces and can increase striking power quite a bit. With a larger more pure piece of Nth metal (the claw or Horus) he knocked Superman into orbit. Using his mace he has hurt Black Adam, and other high tiers as well and he didn't do much damage to Despero. considering Despero isn't invulnerable etc and his durability is solely from regeneration the fact that he can tank so much is quite impressive really. That mind you is without using his TK to shield himself.

Dude that mace hit wouldn't have had any affect on WB Hulk. None. There are different levels of power. Bi-Beast has enough punching power to knock a guy that weighs as much as Superman out of the sky, or into orbit as well. I know what Nth metal is, I also know what Adamantium is as well, and its cutting ability hits extremely hard as well. Wolverine noted that the Hulk had become more difficult to cut, and that was when he was holding back during the WW Hulk arc. You can't even compare the levels that he was at during the WW Hulk arc to the levels that he was at during the HOTM arc. His durability increased with his strength. His resistances increased as well, or that magical sword that Betty hit him with would have cut him in two. She was borrowing from his ever increasing might which allowed her to keep pace with him indefinitely. In essence he was being hit by himself. Trust me, it would have no effect on him.

Except WBH was still vulnerable to magic as per DrStrange.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except WBH was still vulnerable to magic as per DrStrange.

The sword was magical, and yes he was vulnerable to it, but it took the strength of Betty to even cut him with it. That was piercing damage. The mace was blunt force damage. The difference in strength between Hawkman and Betty was incalculable. If she held the mace then it would have done much more damage, but not in Hawkman's hands. Despero was nowhere near WB Hulk's physical level. Look at what Aquaman did to him? He would have bounced off of WB Hulk, but we see Despero careening through a cruise ship or whatever that sea vessel was. The punch to his gut by Lobo, would have gone unnoticed as well.