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So is it happening? Will it go the way of Clinton and nothing comes of it?

"Five articles of impeachment will be introduced, alleging obstruction of justice, violations of both the foreign and domestic emoluments clause, undermining the federal judiciary and undermining the freedom of the press." -snip

Really depends how the Russia probe goes what what Mueller comes out with, imo. It's going to need massive Republican support and if Mueller drops a bomb, especially coupled with Trump's increasing lack of "winning", there could be a shift of enough Republicans wanting him out as well before he damages the party further.

Originally posted by dadudemon
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-articles-democrats-president-711525



So is it happening? Will it go the way of Clinton and nothing comes of it?

LOUD NOISES!!

Yeah, just grand standing peacocking politicians.

The USA is in a house of shit with our politicians.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Five articles of impeachment will be introduced, alleging obstruction of justice, violations of both the foreign and domestic emoluments clause, undermining the federal judiciary and undermining the freedom of the press." -snip

Really depends how the Russia probe goes what what Mueller comes out with, imo. It's going to need massive Republican support and if Mueller drops a bomb, especially coupled with Trump's increasing lack of "winning", there could be a shift of enough Republicans wanting him out as well before he damages the party further.

I honestly think it is getting to that point. I'll create another thread, shortly, to show you why.

As of right now I see no chance in it happening. I think you'd need Mueller to bring charges on Trump to get the Republican support needed.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by Emperordmb
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


"Cohen called upon the Judiciary Committee to begin hearings, but accepts that is unlikely to happen in a Republican-controlled House. The Judiciary Committee, Cohen claimed, is operating like a "branch of the administration."

Even they don't think it's going to work. It's just virtue signaling.

Originally posted by Surtur
As of right now I see no chance in it happening. I think you'd need Mueller to bring charges on Trump to get the Republican support needed.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I honestly think it is getting to that point. I'll create another thread, shortly, to show you why.

The point of Republicans breaking away in mass from Trump? Yeah, I can see that happening sooner than later, especially if the Tax Reform bill fails, as that's going to look back poorly on Trump/his admin, as these wins and failures always do on the incumbent president.

4 years from now the official Republican stance will be that Trump was never a Republican. The GOP is gonna disown Trump like a woman getting an abortion.

Originally posted by Firefly218
4 years from now the official Republican stance will be that Trump was never a Republican. The GOP is gonna disown Trump like a woman getting an abortion.

They'll say he was a Democratic plant from the Democratic Party because he was formerly a democrat and only pretended to switch.

Grandstanding. Nothing will happen.

Originally posted by BackFire
Grandstanding. Nothing will happen.

You shut your dirty whore mouth, right now. I don't want to read these things.

In this one specific case, I tend to agree with Surter, I think for republicans to turn on Trump on this issue there needs to be some huge bombshell like Mueller bringing charges or something akin to that. And I don't think that will happen. Trump is still and probably will remain extremely popular among the hardcore base of the GOP, so it will be too dangerous for most of them to turn on Trump, as Trump is probably more popular with most of their constituents than they are.

Originally posted by dadudemon
They'll say he was a Democratic plant from the Democratic Party because he was formerly a democrat and only pretended to switch.

If that was true, it would be a brilliant plan.

Wouldn't much surprise me if both parties are plant. Best way to keep power in a two party system, is to control both parties.

Originally posted by BackFire
Grandstanding. Nothing will happen.

Bingo, this is virtue signaling. They might as well have taken a knee immediately after these things were filed lol.

Originally posted by Firefly218
4 years from now the official Republican stance will be that Trump was never a Republican. The GOP is gonna disown Trump like a woman getting an abortion.

Yup, this was called out shortly after he won too

Originally posted by cdtm
If that was true, it would be a brilliant plan.

Wouldn't much surprise me if both parties are plant. Best way to keep power in a two party system, is to control both parties.


It would be hilarious if Trump, after getting impeached, came out and said, "Wrong. It was all a Democratic ploy. Started 10 years ago. Here's our encrypted proof with hashes. I'm a double-crosser. I win. You lose."

We would need a MASSIVE amount of febreze to help with the collective democratic pants shitting. And we'd need rain-boots to wade through all the democratic tears.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It would be hilarious if Trump, after getting impeached, came out and said, "Wrong. It was all a Democratic ploy. Started 10 years ago. Here's our encrypted proof with hashes. I'm a double-crosser. I win. You lose."

We would need a MASSIVE amount of febreze to help with the collective democratic pants shitting. And we'd need rain-boots to wade through all the democratic tears.

I think there is a higher chance Trump just ran because Obama insulted him at that one dinner than it is he is just a Democrat.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think there is a higher chance Trump just ran because Obama insulted him at that one dinner than it is he is just a Democrat.

And I think you're partly correct. It's more than that but it is things just like that which led to him doing this.

If he does get peached it is just a guarantee the same thing will happen to the next Dem Prez.

Which would be a good thing.

So would this impeachment change much? Isn't Pence also for all the things Democrats are against?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/think-trump-is-scary-check-out-mike-pence-on-the-issues_us_57f137d5e4b095bd896a11db

Originally posted by socool8520
So would this impeachment change much? Isn't Pence also for all the things Democrats are against?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/think-trump-is-scary-check-out-mike-pence-on-the-issues_us_57f137d5e4b095bd896a11db

Right. Had this exact conversation with my old boss. My old boss, who is a staunch Democrat, thinks that Pence would not be able to move any of his positions as there's not even universal support within the GOP for his "uglier" positions.

But what we'd get is a presidential president which he feels is better for America, right now, after the reputational damage Trump has done.


I agree with that.

So one who talks like a President but still has some not so good ideas? I don't really think that's better. lol

Originally posted by socool8520
So one who talks like a President but still has some not so good ideas? I don't really think that's better. lol

One who can't do anything but acts professional: much better than Trump.


A neutered bigot is what we'd get instead of a bigoted idiot buffoon. Policy downgrade, in my opinion. But overall, an upgrade.

Originally posted by dadudemon
One who can't do anything but acts professional: much better than Trump.


A neutered bigot is what we'd get instead of a bigoted idiot buffoon. Policy downgrade, in my opinion. But overall, an upgrade.

If Pence ended up towing the line and not implementing some of the absurd policies he is in favor of, then yes, I would agree.

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Originally posted by Flyattractor
7ddEBCIbJkM

This guy is:

1. A crackpot.
2. An idiot.
3. A parrot of lots of false information.



When he said, "Trump IS the FBI", that's when I lost all faith that he would say a single legitimate point. I turned it off when he starts to literally yell about "'all the foreign money being poured into the Hillary Campaign."

This page tracks the Impeach Trump movement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump

According to polls, Trump is now at 49% "yes" to impeach him.


In order to definitively say a majority supports impeaching Trump, considering the quack polling that pollsters were doing in the 2016 election, that number needs to jump as high as 56%.

On top of that, to actually remove Trump, Congress needs to be at a 2/3 support for removing Trump from office: won't happen.

Originally posted by socool8520
So would this impeachment change much? Isn't Pence also for all the things Democrats are against?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/think-trump-is-scary-check-out-mike-pence-on-the-issues_us_57f137d5e4b095bd896a11db
Well, I'd think an impeachment would seriously diminish whatever political capital pence still has.

Do they realize that if nothing comes of this, all they've done is hand Trump and his die-hard supporters a "win".

By that I mean, Trump will likely use a failed attempt as proof that he's winning and most of his die-hards will eat it up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do they realize that if nothing comes of this, all they've done is hand Trump and his die-hard supporters a "win".

By that I mean, Trump will likely use a failed attempt as proof that he's winning and most of his die-hards will eat it up.
Yeah, they're doing this way too prematurely.

It also deflects attention from sh!t you can easily destroy Trump over, like, ya know, his epa not valuing science, his support for clean coal, making it legal to purchase elephant trophies in America?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yeah, they're doing this way too prematurely.

It also deflects attention from sh!t you can easily destroy Trump over, like, ya know, his epa not valuing science, his support for clean coal, making it legal to purchase elephant trophies in America?

I agree with you and this is why, IMO, the left really needs to stop with this nazi and Hitler stuff. Not all of them do it, but we know Trump isn't Hitler. But when people constantly compare him to that you are setting the bar very low. It's too easy to surpass it.

It's like if you have a kid in school and you say "Just don't get an F".

Sorry DDM, as some already pointed out, I don't think it's happening. Slim chance.

Cluster**** known as American politics continues to go on.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This page tracks the Impeach Trump movement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump

According to polls, Trump is now at 49% "yes" to impeach him.


In order to definitively say a majority supports impeaching Trump, considering the quack polling that pollsters were doing in the 2016 election, that number needs to jump as high as 56%.

On top of that, to actually remove Trump, Congress needs to be at a 2/3 support for removing Trump from office: won't happen.

Trump is more likely to choke to death on a chicken nugget or have a heart attack than get impeached

I still don't think he's being removed from office, but being impeached for something like lying or incompetence, I think there's a chance now before 2020.

Trump stays and trumpers cuck for him.

i disagree with all of you. i think he's going to federal prison.

^ If he's guilty of the sexual assault, he should.

treason

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i disagree with all of you. i think he's going to federal prison.

No that's me.

Here's what I don't get about the Dems who are desperately hoping Trump gets impeached... do you really want Pence?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Here's what I don't get about the Dems who are desperately hoping Trump gets impeached... do you really want Pence?

They don't, but it wasn't really Pence that beat them. These are petty children holding a grudge. The other side is petty too. So it's a clusterf*ck.

I actually know quite a few hardcore liberals who would definitely prefer Pence over Trump.

Originally posted by BackFire
I actually know quite a few hardcore liberals who would definitely prefer Pence over Trump.

Query: are they the "hardcore" type that call Trump Hitler and a fascist and all that?

Originally posted by BackFire
No that's me. did laugh out loud!

Originally posted by Surtur
Query: are they the "hardcore" type that call Trump Hitler and a fascist and all that?

They definitely dislike Trump, don't recall them calling him Hitler.

I meant more they're just very very liberal people, and they would prefer Pence because they think it'd just be like Bush again which compared to Trump isn't too bad for them.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Here's what I don't get about the Dems who are desperately hoping Trump gets impeached... do you really want Pence?
Again, it's about political capital. Pence is going to be in no position to do sh!t if the dude who picked him turns out to be doing shady sh!t.

Originally posted by BackFire
They definitely dislike Trump, don't recall them calling him Hitler.

I meant more they're just very very liberal people, and they would prefer Pence because they think it'd just be like Bush again which compared to Trump isn't too bad for them.

Do you believe with Pence it would be like Bush again?

Do you mean liberal or leftist? There's quite a few people on the left who are illiberal.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Here's what I don't get about the Dems who are desperately hoping Trump gets impeached... do you really want Pence?

Sorry, I don't buy the "Fear Pence" angle to shut don't anti-trump people. If Trump were to be removed it would be in a year or more, meaning we'd have maybe two years of Pence. So what? He'd likely not win in 2020 due to being a whack-religious Conservative and the stain Trump would have left on the party would be huge.

Originally posted by Surtur
They don't, but it wasn't really Pence that beat them. These are petty children holding a grudge. The other side is petty too. So it's a clusterf*ck.

^

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/atheists.png

Originally posted by Surtur
Do you believe with Pence it would be like Bush again?

I think he'd be more like Bush than Trump. But I also think he'd be more competant at actually getting the republican agenda through. Trump seems too chaotic and self defeating to get much done. Like the most help he can offer congress with taxes and other big pieces of legislation is to just shut up and leave it to them. Pence would be able to rally conservatives because they like/respect Pence. Which is untrue for many of them when it comes to Trump. So in that respect I think Pence would be worse. However, I also think Pence is far less likely to trigger an international incident or engage in an avoidable war than Trump.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Do you mean liberal or leftist? There's quite a few people on the left who are illiberal.

I dunno. They're to the left on many social and economic issues.

Originally posted by BackFire
I actually know quite a few hardcore liberals who would definitely prefer Pence over Trump.

Some of his beliefs seem more harsh than Trump's. I don't see how they would prefer him.

Originally posted by Robtard
^

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/atheists.png

But Rob, I don't feel superior. I am just noting that nobody is superior. No side. This is your new thing now? Because we have this thing you just posted, plus your multiple comments about the moral high ground yesterday.

Originally posted by socool8520
Some of his beliefs seem more harsh than Trump's. I don't see how they would prefer him.

A lot of them just don't like how Trump acts as a human being. It's a visceral thing. Pence acts like a regular adult human where as Trump usually is acting like a spazzy 9 year old boy who didn't get dessert.

Originally posted by BackFire
A lot of them just don't like how Trump acts as a human being. It's a visceral thing. Pence acts like a regular adult human where as Trump usually is acting like a spazzy 9 year old boy who didn't get dessert.

Lol, but he doesn't act like that according to some on the left. Remember his comments about being alone with women who aren't his wife? How dare he.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, but he doesn't act like that according to some on the left. Remember his comments about being alone with women who aren't his wife? How dare he.

Yes he's a religious weirdo who's probably very deep in the closet and jerks off crying to gay porn. But in public he acts pretty normal religious weirdo.

Originally posted by BackFire
A lot of them just don't like how Trump acts as a human being. It's a visceral thing. Pence acts like a regular adult human where as Trump usually is acting like a spazzy 9 year old boy who didn't get dessert.

I get that, but I will take obnoxious over insane policies personally. Although I will retract that if Trump is proven to be a sexual predator. Also, I would be open to the idea if Pence could be convinced to weaken his stances on certain issues.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes he's a religious weirdo who's probably very deep in the closet and jerks off crying to gay porn. But in public he acts pretty normal religious weirdo.

IMO I think for them it will be that Pence is an okay guy as long as Trump is in power. But if Pence were to become presidency I get the feeling sudden;y he'd be a terrible person, etc.

Originally posted by Surtur
IMO I think for them it will be that Pence is an okay guy as long as Trump is in power. But if Pence were to become presidency I get the feeling sudden;y he'd be a terrible person, etc.

Probably true. We're unlikely to ever know, though.

Originally posted by Surtur
IMO I think for them it will be that Pence is an okay guy as long as Trump is in power. But if Pence were to become presidency I get the feeling sudden;y he'd be a terrible person, etc.

Which anti-Trump people believe Pence is an "okay guy"? He seems to be disliked due to his ******* social stances eg like marriage equality.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which anti-Trump people believe Pence is an "okay guy"? He seems to be disliked due to his ******* social stances eg like marriage equality.

This is what I thought. lol

I have some right leaning stances but discrimination of gays is not one of them.

Obstruction of Justice and major conflicts of interest are givens. Not to mention his Russian affinity. He needs to be out on his ass.

And if we could expel half of the country for voting for him that'd be great, too. F#cking embarrassing.

I think the fact that many rational people would rather have Pence (the religious dingbat that he is) in the director's chair should say it all as to how awful Trump is.

^ I have seen that done before. Usually it's an endearment thing, and not incestuous. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since I don't know him personally.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ I have seen that done before. Usually it's an endearment thing, and not incestuous. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since I don't know him personally.

Exactly, he's a shitlord for legit reasons, so dumping on him for something so petty is dumb. Have a laugh over it sure, but move on.

I will say that I disagree with his stance on abortion, the LGBTQ community, and the straight camps for AIDS research.

Yeah I disagree with him on all the categories you mentioned except abortion.

So if Trump gets impeached, Pence takes over? How is that better for Dems since Pence is more staunch in his convictions than Trump.

because he'll have very little room politically to do sh!t

What about executive orders?

So basically, nothing is happening and dems failing again.

Cool.

Originally posted by Stigma
So if Trump gets impeached, Pence takes over? How is that better for Dems since Pence is more staunch in his convictions than Trump. It's basically symbolic. Getting forcibly removed from office is a massive political embarrassment. It would hurt the Republicans in general, thus Dems want it.

I don't see it happening though.

Anyone feel like betting?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Obstruction of Justice and major conflicts of interest are givens. Not to mention his Russian affinity. He needs to be out on his ass.

And if we could expel half of the country for voting for him that'd be great, too. F#cking embarrassing.

Hoping that sentence is just you joking.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
It's basically symbolic. Getting forcibly removed from office is a massive political embarrassment. It would hurt the Republicans in general, thus Dems want it.

I don't see it happening though.

Anyone feel like betting? It won't happen.


The republicans will not allow themselves to be so humiliated and basically ruin western civilisation by letting Trump get impeached.

They survived Dubya Bush ffs. Trump is starting to come across as another Reagan, which is good for the party, imo.

Originally posted by Stigma
So if Trump gets impeached, Pence takes over? How is that better for Dems since Pence is more staunch in his convictions than Trump.

One of the grounds for impeachment is obstruction of justice, in which Pence is also implicated, so if Trump goes down for that (a charge to which he admitted on national television), then Pence would likely go down too, in which case, the Speaker of the House becomes President.

If the Republicans retain control of the House, it will be Paul Ryan. If the Democrats take control of the House, they can literally name anybody, including Hillary Clinton.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Obstruction of Justice and major conflicts of interest are givens. Not to mention his Russian affinity. He needs to be out on his ass.

And if we could expel half of the country for voting for him that'd be great, too. F#cking embarrassing.

As long as we get rid of the Hilary voters, who are no less embarrassing(just more pompous and arrogant)

Trump can bring peace in the Middle-East, cure cancer and AIDS and other achievements and still they would call for his impeachment. The thing is they are still crying over their beer not accepting that Hillary lost.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Trump can bring peace in the Middle-East, cure cancer and AIDS and other achievements and still they would call for his impeachment. The thing is they are still crying over their beer not accepting that Hillary lost.

^^cucking for trump as if he really did bring peace to the middle east, and cured cancer and aids (yet has accomplished precisely nothing since taking office)

Give him the benefit of the doubt.

DarthTrucelent, what major accomplishments has Trump achieved, considering we're close to approaching his first year as POTUS? What makes your willy hard over Trump?

It's not that brother. Everyone (including myself) fully expected Hillary to win even though I voted for Trump. I was absolutely stunned that Trump was elected, but also at the same time elated. I originally was a Ted Cruz supporter, but I only voted Trump because I wanted a conservative Supreme Court judge - nothing more.

Do I support everything he does? Absolutely not. I hate his tax reform proposal because it would raise my taxes because I live in California. I have an idea about how to deal with the DACA kids (but nobody would like it anyway - mandatory military or government service for 4 years and then citizenship ).

Politics is so rotten these days that I'm disappointed in our government. Politicians are supposed to look out for the people not themselves.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Everyone (including myself) fully expected Hillary to win...

Yup, I was part of that boat, too. I fell for the polling predictions. Time Immemorial warned me I was wrong and even told me I was falling for sampling errors and I, smugly, argued against him in my safe and comfortable lofty chair of scientific polling.

It's a shame politicians can't see what we see on a day to day level

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Obstruction of Justice and major conflicts of interest are givens. Not to mention his Russian affinity. He needs to be out on his ass.

And if we could expel half of the country for voting for him that'd be great, too. F#cking embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed by imbeciles who pretend we had any good choice in this. I'd want them off their high horses, but it's easier to run your mouth from on high it seems. Will they ever get off that high horse willingly, or does someone need to shove them right off, you think?

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm embarrassed by imbeciles who pretend we had any good choice in this. I'd want them off their high horses, but it's easier to run your mouth from on high it seems. Will they ever get off that high horse willingly, or does someone need to shove them right off, you think?

^ Desperately trying to justify his own actions and blame-shift.

Like if you knew it was that bad to begin, why did you proceed? Oh Trumpers...

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Desperately trying to justify his own actions and blame-shift.

Like if you knew it was that bad to begin, why did you proceed? Oh Trumpers...

Had to choose someone, and I've said multiple times we had no good choices.

If you wanna run your mouth about Trump go for it, I just hope the folk doing this didn't vote for Hilary and feel it was a good choice.

Originally posted by Surtur
Had to choose someone, and I've said multiple times we had no good choices.

If you wanna run your mouth about Trump go for it, I just hope the folk doing this didn't vote for Hilary and feel it was a good choice.

^
Silly equalization tactics, feels his choice was poor, so tries to make others feel stupid for their choice. Oh Trumpers...

Originally posted by Robtard
^
Silly equalization tactics, feels his choice was poor, so tries to make others feel stupid for their choice. Oh Trumpers...

You should feel stupid if you voted for Hilary and run your mouth constantly about Trump, yeah.

Originally posted by Surtur
You should feel stupid if you voted for Hilary and run your mouth constantly about Trump, yeah.

^ Proves point

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Proves point

It's more, dipshits in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Someone made an argument that Trump should be impeached for the same reasons that Andrew Johnson was: he's too divisive and is turning this country against itself. Granted, they were hot off the front lines of a civil war back then and the situation is not similar. But violence is breaking out. We do appear to be more polarized than ever.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Someone made an argument that Trump should be impeached for the same reasons that Andrew Johnson was: he's too divisive and is turning this country against itself. Granted, they were hot off the front lines of a civil war back then and the situation is not similar. But violence is breaking out. We do appear to be more polarized than ever. Impeachment would probably make the division worse tbh.

Originally posted by Mindset
Impeachment would probably make the division worse tbh.

It might. However, the Trump support is getting smaller and smaller as time goes on, according to the polls. I know, those damn polls were wrong before but they were wrong by a margin, not completely wrong.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It might. However, the Trump support is getting smaller and smaller as time goes on, according to the polls. I know, those damn polls were wrong before but they were wrong by a margin, not completely wrong. Polls and I are no longer on speaking terms.

I won't let myself be hurt again.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It might. However, the Trump support is getting smaller and smaller as time goes on, according to the polls. I know, those damn polls were wrong before but they were wrong by a margin, not completely wrong.

Not all the polls were wrong. IBD/TIPP had Trump winning. His approval rating with them is not good. Not. Good. At. All.

Granted, Trumpers still love him and they likely always will, no matter how many wet shits he takes on the office and country, but he's losing others who voted for him over just to not vote for Clinton fast.

Originally posted by Mindset
Polls and I are no longer on speaking terms.

I won't let myself be hurt again.

You are with my pole.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not all the polls were wrong. IBD/TIPP had Trump winning. His approval rating with them is not good. Not. Good. At. All.

Granted, Trumpers still love him and they likely always will, no matter how many wet shits he takes on the office and country, but he's losing others who voted for him over just to not vote for Clinton fast.

To bad we couldn't have had Biden on the ballet.

Yeah, Biden would have been at least a decent President imo. There's scuttlebutt of him running in 2020, but probably just hype. He'd be 80 by then, bit long in the tooth to run for first term probably.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not all the polls were wrong. IBD/TIPP had Trump winning. His approval rating with them is not good. Not. Good. At. All.

Granted, Trumpers still love him and they likely always will, no matter how many wet shits he takes on the office and country, but he's losing others who voted for him over just to not vote for Clinton fast.

No, even his voters are dropping off. There is an entire subreddit dedicated to capture, from social media, all people who once supported but not regret Trump.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, even his voters are dropping off. There is an entire subreddit dedicated to capture, from social media, all people who once supported but not regret Trump.

Sure, some, I've seen those "I trusted you Trump!" type comments from those crying Trumpers and their butthurt gives me strength.

But the Trumper mass still has around a 75ish approval rating for Trump, iirc. Has it changed drastically recently, within two months or so? If so, spill. I want to bask in the glory.

Kind of a Good Point... NOBODY ever said they Trusted Hilary or Obama. NOT a ONE!

Oh had Good news on dat der IMPEACHMIKATION of duh Trumpster....



Olbermann announces Reteriment, Cause Trump is already Impeached or some shit..

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, some, I've seen those "I trusted you Trump!" type comments from those crying Trumpers and their butthurt gives me strength.

But the Trumper mass still has around a 75ish approval rating for Trump, iirc. Has it changed drastically recently, within two months or so? If so, spill. I want to bask in the glory.

Nah, looks like it is holding steady, lately:


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov28


I think it has stabilized and he will settle in around 40 for a while.

Originally posted by Robtard
You are with my pole. I'm calling the cops

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm calling the cops

Better put in a call for an exorcist as well...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah, looks like it is holding steady, lately:


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov28


I think it has stabilized and he will settle in around 40 for a while.

Yeah, that's overall all and not just his base, no? IBD/TIPP has him at 38-39% now. Will see what happens in Dec and if him endorsing a sexual predator (Moore) affects that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It might. However, the Trump support is getting smaller and smaller as time goes on, according to the polls. I know, those damn polls were wrong before but they were wrong by a margin, not completely wrong.
The polls were wrong by a margin of 2%. That's not enough to make Trump popular. Not tat Trump won on the basis of popularity..

This "half the country voted for Trump" mindset is also wrong. Trump garnered 62.9 million votes (Clinton 65.8, she was more popular). There's about 310million US citizens (ie voters) in the US and abroad.

So only about 20% of the country voted for Trump.

And yet the ***** still LOST!

Lmao. Good stuff.

Originally posted by Robtard
This "half the country voted for Trump" mindset is also wrong. Trump garnered 62.9 million votes (Clinton 65.8, she was more popular). There's about 310million US citizens (ie voters) in the US and abroad.

So only about 20% of the country voted for Trump.

250,056,000 eligible voters, estimated:

http://www.electproject.org/2016g


138,847,000 voter turnout in the 2016 Presidential Election.

62,984,825 - Trump
65,853,516 - Clinton


Of Eligible Voters:

~25.2% Voted for Trump
~26.3% Voted for Hillary


Of the people who turned out for the election:

~45.4% Voted for Trump
~47.4% Voted for Hillary


Of the Total US Population in 2016, 324,400,000:

~19.4% Voted for Trump
~20.3% Voted for Hillary



I would caution on using that last number as it is a garbage number mixing in bad variables (non-eligible voters) with good variables (eligible voters).

Originally posted by Surtur
Lmao. Good stuff.

I mean...he can keep parroting his factually incorrect narrative if he wants. I'll just repost it every time he tries to pass of the 2 points thing as legit.

Average was not 2 points, ever. The lowest end was 2 points, sure. But the highest end was 6 and the average was 3.3.

As I pointed out, some were off by 18 points, in favor of Hillary. How do you bungle that so badly? That should be the real conspiracy, here.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I mean...he can keep parroting his factually incorrect narrative if he wants. I'll just repost it every time he tries to pass of the 2 points thing as legit.

Average was not 2 points, ever. The lowest end was 2 points, sure. But the highest end was 6 and the average was 3.3.

As I pointed out, some were off by 18 points, in favor of Hillary. How do you bungle that so badly? That should be the real conspiracy, here.

They genuinely need to believe these things to maintain their sanity.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I mean...he can keep parroting his factually incorrect narrative if he wants. I'll just repost it every time he tries to pass of the 2 points thing as legit.

Again double D, you're conflating the polls of a few states with national polls. We're not discussing Trump's popularity in battleground states, we're discussing his popularity nationally.

Cherrypicking the polls in a few states to say I'm parroting a factually incorrect narrative is parroting a




Bad variables like the tens of thousands of voters(mostly democrat) per state who don't vote due to Voter ID policy that even the conservative controlled supreme court admitted was "partisan".

But let's talk about voter fraud which there remains no widespread evidence of so that you can keep parroting a

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Again double D, you're conflating the polls of a few states with national polls. We're not discussing Trump's popularity in battleground states, we're discussing his popularity nationally.

Cherrypicking the polls in a few states to say I'm parroting a factually incorrect narrative is parroting a




Bad variables like the tens of thousands of voters(mostly democrat) per state who don't vote due to Voter ID policy that even the conservative controlled supreme court admitted was "partisan".

But let's talk about voter fraud which there remains no widespread evidence of so that you can keep parroting a

Please visit the following link, review it, and see why you're waste of time "national" argument clearly indicates you're not reading the post:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16423600#post16423600


Then revisit this previous post and I made to Surtur:

Originally posted by dadudemon
I mean...he can keep parroting his factually incorrect narrative if he wants. I'll just repost it every time he tries to pass of the 2 points thing as legit.

Average was not 2 points, ever. The lowest end was 2 points, sure. But the highest end was 6 and the average was 3.3.

As I pointed out, some were off by 18 points, in favor of Hillary. How do you bungle that so badly? That should be the real conspiracy, here.



After reviewing both of those, when you see that you're wrong, because you have data and I have directly cited the national data, please admit you're wrong.

As you've asked for evidence, the polling average had Clinton up by 2 %
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


Onto your argument.

You can't use a selection of some polls...

To argue for how we should treat a national average of polls:


Whether or not you trust induvidual polls, there's no reason to distrust the average of the polls holistically.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
As you've asked for evidence, the polling average had Clinton up by 2 %
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


Onto your argument.

You can't use a selection of some polls...

To argue for how we should treat a national average of polls:


Whether or not you trust induvidual polls, there's no reason to distrust the average of the polls holistically.

I've already destroyed all arguments you've brought up:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Please visit the following link, review it, and see why you're waste of time "national" argument clearly indicates you're not reading the post:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16423600#post16423600


Then revisit this previous post and I made to Surtur:





After reviewing both of those, when you see that you're wrong, because you have data and I have directly cited the national data, please admit you're wrong.


Also, I already cited a source that says 3.3, not 2 like you claim. And it also stated a range of 2-6.



Lie more. Back peddle more. See where it gets you.

I did the math from that site, Real Clear Politics.

Average is 5.04 in favor of Hillary.

I'm sorry, man. You're even wronger than originally thought.


https://i.imgur.com/pBJToEs.png

Originally posted by dadudemon
I've already ignored all arguments you've brought up:

Let's try this again:

To argue for how we should treat a national average of polls:
quote:

Whether or not you trust induvidual polls, there's no reason to distrust the average of the polls holistically.

All three of the sources you cited said 404 error when I clicked them. I, off course, posted a working link with the most recent real clear politics polling which had Clinton up 2.1 % points nationally. She coincidentally won the popular vote by almost 2 percentage points.

But let's go with your math over real clear politics' given your self-declared expertise.

National polling averages, unlike your links, are reliable.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Let's try this again:


All three of the sources you cited said 404 error when I clicked them. I, off course, posted a working link with the most recent real clear politics polling which had Clinton up 2.1 % points nationally. She coincidentally won the popular vote by almost 2 percentage points.

But let's go with your math over real clear politics' given your self-declared expertise.

National polling averages, unlike your links, are reliable.


You're such a sore loser and a terrible troll.

Look, I found the same article:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/305133-pollsters-suffer-huge-embarrassment

If the link doesn't work, google it.

And I did the math for you to clearly see: it's 5.04%, not 2.1%





Are you a true idiot or do you not understand why people were upset and shocked why Trump started winning in places he should not have been? Be honest...do you truly not know that places like CNN showing Hillary ahead by 24 points, makes no sense at all?


Average: 5.04%


Not 2.1%





I did the math my self.

It's not very hard to do, either.


https://i.imgur.com/pBJToEs.png




Rocks, you're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrooooooonnnnnng!

No matter how many times you try to pretend the polls got it right, they got it wrong. Horribly wrong, in some cases.

Can someone step in and help Rocky understand? Someone else besides me needs to explain this to him.


He is very confused about the numbers. He doesn't understand how Hillary lost the election and the pollsters got their polling figures wrong.

Actually I was wrong, the polls weren't off by 2%, they were barely off by 1%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

I trust that you're capable of reading Double D?

realclearpolitics most recent poll averaging explicitly says that

A. Clinton was polled at 3.2%

B. The final election results had clinton getting 2.1% of the vote:

3.2-2.1 = 1.1%

The polling average not off by 5%, it was off by barely 1 %


She lost because polls were specifically off on battleground states, not because the national polls were off by a significant margin. Indeed, Hillarly had more votes nationally. As we were talking about national polls, that Hillarly lost electorally isn't relevant.

I have no idea why you're trying to do your own stats when I've repeatedly linked you to realclearpolitics polling data, data you yourself have linked as a source.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The polling average not off by 5%, it was off by barely 1 %

You're wrong. Polling average was off by 3% with a variance of 2-5%, like I stated.

And the polls reflected an average of 5.04% Hillary victory. When the credible scientific polling houses were reviewed, the "big 11", they were off by 3.3%, as linked. Why is this important? Because CNN's poll is not scientific so them being off by 21% is correctly not part of the standard 11 national polls.





Try some more. Try to find other ways to be right. You're still wrong.

Account for places like CNN that had Hillary at +24 points.

I've done the math. The data has been aggregated. No matter how you try to shift the conversation, the average showed Hillary at +5.04%. I've done the average. I've done the variance. My numbers are right. Anything you come up with that contradicts me will be wrong. This is not me being arrogant. If you find a source that says anything that contradicts me, they will be wrong. Why? Because I've done the math myself and I showed my work.

The original statement I made, which had your jimmies super rustled was that I said the polls were off 2-5%. Deal with it.


Any polls that were off by greater than their margin of error majorly f*cked up. Very few got it right.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Can someone step in and help Rocky understand? Someone else besides me needs to explain this to him.


He is very confused about the numbers. He doesn't understand how Hillary lost the election and the pollsters got their polling figures wrong.


Please? Can someone please step into this conversation? I've hit an iron plate with an actual idiot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're wrong. Polling average was off by 3% with a variance of 2-5%, like I stated.


Then why does the source I linked, whose polls you are using, say the average was 3%?(which is 1% higher than 2%)?

"Deal with it" isn't a sufficient response here.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Then why does the source I linked, whose polls you are using, say the average was 3%?(which is 1% higher than 2%)?

"Deal with it" isn't a sufficient response here.

You're asking the wrong question.

You should be asking, "What does their incorrect number represent when I can clearly see the math you did is sound and correct?"

Because my math is visible for you to see. It is not hidden. I did not fudge numbers. It is quite clear that the average shows Hillary at 5.04%, not what you're linking.

The numbers don't lie. You've been wrong this entire time. You always have been. I've now done the math for you to demonstrate this. If I was trying to hide something, I most certainly would not explain it and show my work like I've done.

You should be asking them why their numbers clearly do not reflect a correct analysis.