Darth Vader vs Mace Windu (Canon)

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Rebel95
Interested to see what the current opinion on this is. Canon only-all out fight, who wins?

ziggtard
It's always gonna be Mace for me.

TheNuisanceBird
Depends who's writing.

godemperortrump
Mace is just a better duelist. He wins.

The Merchant
Mace.

relentless1
Vader is superior in the Force and good enough at duelling to hold his own with Mace

godemperortrump
Originally posted by relentless1
good enough at duelling to hold his own with Mace
no

redpill
vaapad carries the day

godemperortrump
Mace doesn't win 'cuz Vaapad.'

He wins because he's comparatively powerful and a significantly better duelist.

Vader killing fodder Jedi, and sometimes struggling to do even that, doesn't impress me.

Rebel95
Originally posted by godemperortrump
significantly better duelist.
How is he a significantly better duelist?

carthage
Vader

Kurk
Originally posted by carthage
Vader Vader struggles against fodder jedi. I don't see anything going for him.

Rebel95
What fodder Jedi has he struggled against?

FreshestSlice
Vader. Mace is sub-Anakin.

McP
^
Vader is as well

Kurk
Originally posted by Rebel95
What fodder Jedi has he struggled against? Look at the comics.

Rebel95
Originally posted by Kurk
Look at the comics.
Ughhhh I don't have them and I'm to lazy to look it up laughing out loud

FreshestSlice
The comic takes place right after RotS, which is quite possibly the dumbest argument against Vader there is.

Rebel95
thumb up

carthage
Vader kills a guy who stomps Maul in seconds

And was stated as being more powerful than Maul/Dooku. He's also so far above Mace in the force it's not even a comparison. He can gesture and shred Windu

JKBart
Mace

Kurk
Originally posted by carthage
Vader kills a guy who stomps Maul in seconds

And was stated as being more powerful than Maul/Dooku. He's also so far above Mace in the force it's not even a comparison. He can gesture and shred Windu Where is it explicitly stated that Vader is more powerful than Dooku/Maul in canon?

Again, what suggests that Vader "can gesture and shred Windu" in canon?

Rebel95

Kurk

JKBart
If you exclude Legends and go only by Canon, the setting is quite weird. Rebels, for instance, goes great lengths to demonstrate Vader as superior to Anakin incarnation, or at least, it doesn't seem like Vader is diminished noticeably from allmighty RotS Anakin. That would make it plausible to place Vader above Windu.

But then again, if you exclude Legends, much of the material used to argue that Anakin > Mace goes away, and we are left with very solid material to pin Windu as the better of the two, simply because so many details are left out, especially about Windu vs. Sidious and Anakin vs. Dooku. That still allows to place Windu on top.

If we were to include Legends, though, Anakin > Mace (discounting Windu's state from Palpatine fight obviously) is solid as hell. But so is the fact that Vader, even by RotJ, is far from the unstoppable might of RotS Anakin, really far. Effectively Anakin > Mace > Vader.

DarthAnt66
Both Anakin and Mace are better than Vader in both Legends and Canon.

Issue with Vader in Canon is his relatively weak portrayal in the Vader comics.

JKBart
Yeah, as I said, in Legends it's no contest.

On the other hand, tho, if we take Canon only, I'm now starting to think of Lucas's blatant statements of Vader being Anakin's shadow and all, so yeah, you're right.

Zenwolf
You know I would ask why, but this isn't the thread for that.

Anyway, as for now I think Mace takes it.

godemperortrump
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Both Anakin and Mace are better than Vader in both Legends and Canon.

Issue with Vader in Canon is his relatively weak portrayal in the Vader comics.
Ant's on the ball

Rebel95
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Issue with Vader in Canon is his relatively weak portrayal in the Vader comics.
Don't the comics take place right after he gets the suit?

DarthAnt66
I was mainly referring to the 0 ABY ones with the cyborgs.

Also, I don't think Vader's suit handicap early on is that pronounced - or even existent - in Canon.

Darth Thor
Being a superior duelist will give Mace the win. But it will be a hard fight, no question.

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