DCEU Flash vs CW Flash

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TheVaultDweller
DCEU Flash, as of Justice League, vs CW Flash, as of the latest season of the show.

In character, but PIS is off.

Who wins?

relentless1
Justice League Flash hasn't even shown the ability to time travel as of yet which makes him an inferior speedster; CW Barry wins by default

FrothByte
CW Flash beats the crap out of DCEU Flash. CW Barry is a veteran of multiple battles. DCEU Flash still trips over his feat and freezes in the face of a huge battle.

steverules_2
CW Flash phases through DCEU Flash and splodes him

HulkIsHulk
From what I heard CW Barry bitchslaps JL Barry. From a die hard DC fanboy friend of mine whose seen JL ""JL Barry is like twice as fast as CW Barry, but his jobbing and stupidity is like 2000 times worse than CW Barry""".
If what he told is true I can't imagine how ridiculously stupid he must bw

FrothByte
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
From what I heard CW Barry bitchslaps JL Barry. From a die hard DC fanboy friend of mine whose seen JL ""JL Barry is like twice as fast as CW Barry, but his jobbing and stupidity is like 2000 times worse than CW Barry""".
If what he told is true I can't imagine how ridiculously stupid he must bw

I don't know how your friend got the "JL Barry is twice as fast as CW Barry". There's no real metric in place to tell us how fast JL Barry is.

Arachnid1
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
jobbing and stupidity is like 2000 times worse than CW Barry" Jesus, is it impossible for someone to write Barry without making him job?

BruceSkywalker
due to flashpoint, the one true flash is cw flash

Josh_Alexander
CW Flash Ultra Stomps.

steverules_2
Sure there was rumor they were gonna do a crossover of the CW and DCEU flashes but I doubt that very much

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't know how your friend got the "JL Barry is twice as fast as CW Barry". There's no real metric in place to tell us how fast JL Barry is.

Well, there are a few ways people with a lot of time on their hands could potentially calculate his speed. For example, during the scene when they fight under the harbour, in that giant tunnel/cylindrical area. Someone could try and work out the size of the dome, and work out how much distance Barry travels in relation to, for example, dead Parademons dropping around him via gravity (similar to how some people used the dropping bodies in GotG vol 2 to calculate Yondu's arrow speed during the breakout scene with Rocket and Groot). Or in the initial Bruce/Barry scene, where he throws the batarang, see if it is possible to scale the distance actor-wise and using objects around them, and from there try and see how much distance the batarang covered in real-time, and then in Flash-time, and how long it all took.

But yeah, none of those are exactly straightforward, and will likely require some estimations and such. Which is why I am WAY too lazy to try it myself.

Placidity
Originally posted by relentless1
Justice League Flash hasn't even shown the ability to time travel as of yet which makes him an inferior speedster; CW Barry wins by default

CW Flash Time Travel doesn't require you to be that fast - certainly under SoL, so it's a relatively meaningless inference on speed. Last I checked, CW Flash's on-screen fastest stated speed was around Mach 13.

Most importantly, JL Flash has shown the ability to time travel - in Batman v Superman.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Placidity
CW Flash Time Travel doesn't require you to be that fast - certainly under SoL, so it's a relatively meaningless inference on speed. Last I checked, CW Flash's on-screen fastest stated speed was around Mach 13.

Most importantly, JL Flash has shown the ability to time travel - in Batman v Superman.

Mach 13.2 was from S2 IIRC. And S4 Barry has explicitly been stated as being much faster than ever before, and is currently the fastest known speedster in the CW DC verse. For example, while it is not a direct speed number, Caitlin remarked that S4 Barry's brain was running 5 times faster than it had previously, which would have been end of S3. And in S4, he has done things like catch all the individual pieces of shrapnel from a grenade before any of it could travel more than a few feet, which a guy on Youtube calculated would require a speed of just under Mach 70. Which, funnily enough, is close to what you get when you take the Mach 13.2 from S2 and multiply it by 5 (how much faster his brain apparently is).

As to time-traveling, that could be a more experienced Flash from the future who did that in BvS. Not that I think time travel has much relevance to the fight.

Placidity
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Mach 13.2 was from S2 IIRC. And S4 Barry has explicitly been stated as being much faster than ever before, and is currently the fastest known speedster in the CW DC verse. For example, while it is not a direct speed number, Caitlin remarked that S4 Barry's brain was running 5 times faster than it had previously, which would have been end of S3. And in S4, he has done things like catch all the individual pieces of shrapnel from a grenade before any of it could travel more than a few feet, which a guy on Youtube calculated would require a speed of just under Mach 70. Which, funnily enough, is close to what you get when you take the Mach 13.2 from S2 and multiply it by 5 (how much faster his brain apparently is).

As to time-travelling, that could be a more experienced Flash from the future who did that in BvS. Not that I think time travel has much relevance to the fight.

I figured Flash would be much faster now since I gave up on the show a long time ago. But my point was I think long before Barry hit Mach 13, he was already time travelling, so CW Time Travel doesn't require you to be that fast.

I have a feeling CW Flash is faster due to having more feats, some of which are bound to be ridiculous as the writers/director probably don't consider how fast Barry is on-screen. Personally, that is why I prefer stated speeds particularly for the TV show - as they do make a point of stating it every now and then.

You're right about BvS Barry being more experienced. Barry is a complete rookie in JL, which I suppose is a good thing as it gives him room to improve. I hope he gets some epic moments in future sequels.

It won't be long til someone makes a Youtube video on how fast JL Barry is.

Darth Thor

FrothByte
Nevermind that CW Flash is a veteran of many fights, whereas DCEU Barry just "push people out of the way".

Surtur
CW Barry can time travel, but you don't even need to go anywhere near the speed of light to do it in that universe. You just need the speed of the plot.

Still, CW Barry is fast enough to make dozens of after images all at the same time.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Placidity
I figured Flash would be much faster now since I gave up on the show a long time ago. But my point was I think long before Barry hit Mach 13, he was already time travelling, so CW Time Travel doesn't require you to be that fast.

I have a feeling CW Flash is faster due to having more feats, some of which are bound to be ridiculous as the writers/director probably don't consider how fast Barry is on-screen. Personally, that is why I prefer stated speeds particularly for the TV show - as they do make a point of stating it every now and then.

You're right about BvS Barry being more experienced. Barry is a complete rookie in JL, which I suppose is a good thing as it gives him room to improve. I hope he gets some epic moments in future sequels.

It won't be long til someone makes a Youtube video on how fast JL Barry is.

I've kind of resigned myself to CW Flash being however fast the plot needs him to be. It's actually been since S2 where the writers have tied a specific number to Barry's speed, because I think a lot of people were pointing out that it was nonsense. They now just mostly do things like 3x faster here, or 5x there, or "almost" as fast this person etc.

For example, a big plot device of S3 involves Barry needing to cover about 80 feet or so in 0.21 seconds, which he is completely unable to do, to the point they have to try to get Wally to do it. And to cover that distance in that time? Factoring in time and distance, a velocity of a wopping 410km/h, which is slower than Barry went on the very first episode of the show. Now, some people have said, "No, it's the acceleration required that is too much". Except that makes no sense either. When they had Wally practicing, they were giving him running starts to build up enough speed to cover that distance, so it's clearly something they considered. And Barry has shown the ability to instantly go supersonic, without needing a run up, at various points (most notably when he needs to catch up to or catch bullets being fired).

And that all is made even worse because, as you said, the writers also occasionally give Barry PIS outliers because they have no idea what the actual numbers would be. Like one feat I saw cause a shitstorm in the one Vine thread. At the end of one episode, Barry delivers a series of wedding letters to all their guests, and it only takes him a few seconds. Now, someone went and figured out how far all those places were apart, and what Barry's speed would have been to do it. Turns out you'd need Fox Quicksilver type speed to pull it off. And now you get people using what was clearly meant as a little nothing humour instance (because Iris still made a quip about buying stamps) as a feat for versus threads.

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