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Who wins

Marvel Mega Stomps...but I think that was obvious

Hulk is a giant weak link

Thor and Hulk stomps, with ease.

Hulk and Thor decimate the weak dceu villains.

Stepp would cut Hulk's head off. Ares' telekenisis can throw a hammerless Thor off long enough for he and Stepp to tag team hin.

Lol!!!

Good match. Hulk may be as strong or stronger but his fighting skills and fighting Speed sucks in comparison to Step. Team 1 after a good fight.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Stepp would cut Hulk's head off. Ares' telekenisis can throw a hammerless Thor off long enough for he and Stepp to tag team hin. Whose head did Steppenwolf cut off ? You are definitely a bitter dceu fanboy. Poor guys your Justice League villain gets smashed by two avengers here. You might not see another Justice League movie ever let alone years down the road.

dc loses horribly.. pure and simple

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whose head did Steppenwolf cut off ? You are definitely a bitter dceu fanboy. Poor guys your Justice League villain gets smashed by two avengers here. You might not see another Justice League movie ever let alone years down the road.





Hulk has been penetrated by Abomination and Fenris. Stepp will have no issue cleaving his flesh.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Hulk has been penetrated by Abomination and Fenris. Stepp will have no issue cleaving his flesh. So both can pierce his skin but neither decapitated him. WW has been penetrated before and was her head cut off ?

Has he cut anyone's head off ? You have no evidence for this claim whatsoever and thus it's a baseless claim. Sorry, buddy. You tried and you failed.

Of course he did not decapitate her. Wonder Woman is a millenia-old warrior with the skill, speed, and weaponry to compete with Stepp and his axe. Hulk has none of this. Stepp also has a hilarious reach advantage.

The only argument you have is that maybe he won"t be able to get through the bone. But Hulk will still get hacked up and succumb to blood loss.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Of course he did not decapitate her. Wonder Woman is a millenia-old warrior with the skill, speed, and weaponry to compete with Stepp and his axe. Hulk has none of this. Stepp also has a hilarious reach advantage.

The only argument you have is that maybe he won"t be able to get through the bone. But Hulk will still get hacked up and succumb to blood loss.

Thor has more experience than WW and how much damage has he done on the Hulk. Aquaman is slower, and less durable than the Hulk. Was he dedliatated or seriously injured ?

Based off what ? You're making baseless claims. No evidence just imagination claims. Name me one guy comparable to the Hulk Steppenwolf has defeated due to blood loss or decapitation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has more experience than WW and how much damage has he done on the Hulk. Aquaman is slower, and less durable than the Hulk. Was he dedliatated or seriously injured ?

Based off what ? You're making baseless claims. No evidence just imagination claims. Name me one guy comparable to the Hulk Steppenwolf has defeated due to blood loss or decapitation.

https://goo.gl/images/L95aSu

Thor has put Hulk on queer street with a non-lightning charged hammer strike. Thor is a little over 1000 years old. The same age as Loki. Diana is likely over 2000 years old and Stepp is over 5000 years old. Hulk is not even 60. Neither of them have an edge in experience over Stepp.

Based on the fact that Stepp's axe is sharper than Abom's dull bones and tough enough to no-sell Diana's sword. Hulk has blood and his wounds take time to heal. Prove that Hulk will be perfectly fine without blood.

Name one person Hulk has defeated on his own that can solo a Supermanless Justice League.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Stepp would cut Hulk's head off. Ares' telekenisis can throw a hammerless Thor off long enough for he and Stepp to tag team hin.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
https://goo.gl/images/L95aSu

Thor has put Hulk on queer street with a non-lightning charged hammer strike. Thor is a little over 1000 years old. The same age as Loki. Diana is likely over 2000 years old and Stepp is over 5000 years old. Hulk is not even 60. Neither of them have an edge in experience over Stepp.

Based on the fact that Stepp's axe is sharper than Abom's dull bones and tough enough to no-sell Diana's sword. Hulk has blood and his wounds take time to heal. Prove that Hulk will be perfectly fine without blood.

Name one person Hulk has defeated on his own that can solo a Supermanless Justice League. Thor does have more experience. Thanks for agreeing. Thor fought much more formidable foes than Diana has against her weaker Amazonian whores. We see Steppenwolf does not do much more than swing an axe and move around. Thor has far more abilities and Hulk is much more impressive physically than Steppenwolf is. This isn't a bunch of Amazonians Steppenwolf can intimidate.

You have to prove he can damage the Hulk in this manner since he did nothing of the sort.

Steppenwolf didn't solo the league. He didn't beat any of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor does have more experience. Thanks for agreeing. Thor fought much more formidable foes than Diana has against her weaker Amazonian whores. We see Steppenwolf does not do much more than swing an axe and move around. Thor has far more abilities and Hulk is much more impressive physically than Steppenwolf is. This isn't a bunch of Amazonians Steppenwolf can intimidate.

You have to prove he can damage the Hulk in this manner since he did nothing of the sort.

Steppenwolf didn't solo the league. He didn't beat any of them.

Can you count? Stepp, Diana, and Ares are all over twice Thor's age. Stepp is probably old enough to be Thor's father

"Thor has fought much more formidable foes..."

Like who? Frost giant cannon fodder that took his daddy's eye and Sif can defeat? Dumb rock monsters? Dungeons and Dragons cosplayers? The nine realms are filled with nothing but mooks. The first impressive being we see him fight is a lumbering, slow, zero intelligence automaton called the Destroyer. That was 6 years ago.
Thor's only other notable combatants are Loki (lol), Iron Man, Kurse, Hulk, Ultron Prime, and Hela.
Loki is a weakling, Iron Man is not a challenge for him, Kurse bloodied him and rocked his world, Hulk is decent but a predictable brute, Ultron Prime dominated him 1 on 1, and he had to run away from Hela.
Doomsday, Kal-El, Ares, and Steppenwolf would smoke any of those guys save Hela with minor effort in a serious fight, and Diana has held her own against all of them. The DCEU operates on a generally higher plane than the MCU.

"Steppenwolf does not do much more..."

We don't see Hulk do much more than jump around and punch things. Your point? Sure Thor can do a lot of things but he only needed striking to best Hulk. Steppenwolf, likewise, will only need his axe and hilarious reach advantage to best Hulk.

Are you seriously asking me to prove that an axe can cut? LMAO
Prove Abom's spike and Fenris' teeth are equal to Diana's sword. Because Stepp's axe is.

He survived longer against them than any of the clowns Hulk and Thor fought would.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Can you count? Stepp, Diana, and Ares are all over twice Thor's age. Stepp is probably old enough to be Thor's father

"Thor has fought much more formidable foes..."

Like who? Frost giant cannon fodder that took his daddy's eye and Sif can defeat? Dumb rock monsters? Dungeons and Dragons cosplayers? The nine realms are filled with nothing but mooks. The first impressive being we see him fight is a lumbering, slow, zero intelligence automaton called the Destroyer. That was 6 years ago.
Thor's only other notable combatants are Loki (lol), Iron Man, Kurse, Hulk, Ultron Prime, and Hela.
Loki is a weakling, Iron Man is not a challenge for him, Kurse bloodied him and rocked his world, Hulk is decent but a predictable brute, Ultron Prime dominated him 1 on 1, and he had to run away from Hela.
Doomsday, Kal-El, Ares, and Steppenwolf would smoke any of those guys save Hela with minor effort in a serious fight, and Diana has held her own against all of them. The DCEU operates on a generally higher plane than the MCU.

"Steppenwolf does not do much more..."

We don't see Hulk do much more than jump around and punch things. Your point? Sure Thor can do a lot of things but he only needed striking to best Hulk. Steppenwolf, likewise, will only need his axe and hilarious reach advantage to best Hulk.

Are you seriously asking me to prove that an axe can cut? LMAO
Prove Abom's spike and Fenris' teeth are equal to Diana's sword. Because Stepp's axe is.

He survived longer against them than any of the clowns Hulk and Thor fought would.

Diana's first fight was in WW1. She has nothing on Thor's experience.

She still had hundreds if not thousands of years of training under her belt before then. Her first serious battle of note was against Ares, 100 years ago. Thor's first serious battle of note was against the Destroyer, 6 years ago.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
She still had hundreds if not thousands of years of training under her belt before then. Her first serious battle of note was against Ares, 100 years ago. Thor's first serious battle of note was against the Destroyer, 6 years ago.

How do you know that she's had hundreds of thousands of years of training? In Thor1, it's already mentioned that Thor and the warriors 3 has had countless battles.

I said hundred if not thousands, not hundreds of thousands. Important difference. When Ares killed the Greek pantheon and Zeus died it was in ancient times. Obviously Diana was concieved before Zeus died so she is at least 2000 years old. We can see that she was being trained since she was a small child so she has hundreds if not thousands of years of training.

Yes, but battles against who? The mooks of the nine realms? Quan implied that Thor was fighting opponents better than the Amazons during his adventures. What we have seen of the 9 realms makes me call that into question.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Can you count? Stepp, Diana, and Ares are all over twice Thor's age. Stepp is probably old enough to be Thor's father

"Thor has fought much more formidable foes..."Speculation. WW trained and her Amazonians were fearful of WW 1 Germans. Her aunt was killed in this battle and she was one of the elite warriors from this pitiful tribe. Older sher does not denote into greater exerience especially since we see him in battle.

Thor has fought Loki, Ultron, Vision, Hulk, Kurse, Malekith amped infinitely stone, frost Giants, Hela, Surtur, etc. the Justice league villain alone is laughable and not even a serious threat to the team. Ares admits he can't take out humanity and begs her to join his quest. He was weak and unable to overcome his petty emotions and hatred of mankind. He died. Pitifully. This is the guy the Amazonians were afraid of but considering the WW1 Germans were killing them I can see why.

WW1 German fodder killed Amazonians and one of their greatest warriors. That's far worse than frost Giants who Thor handily bested. WW needed aid to escape No Man's Land from Steve and his pals. Destroyer would solo the Germans easily in No Man's Land.

Loki is not a weakling he's just not a brute. He is a cunning sorcerer with magic and tricks up his sleeve. Iron Man was a challenge for him but obviously without the amp he isn't up to Thor's level. Kurse was very formidable but Thor walked away without any injuries. Hulk is the definitive brute in all of comicdom. Thor wasn't injured and was distracting him. He weathered the assault just fine. Thor contributed 1/3 the power to critically injure Ultron Prime.

False as these guys are vastly overrated. Firstly doomsday is their greatest character and Hulk would beat him as he overcame Abom through a battle. Superman has very exploitable weaknesses and was ko'd by a tower, bomb, stunned by a Knian laser, etc.

Ares was laughable and was killed by lightning. Thor would end him rather easily since he's the god of thunder. Steppenwolf didn't smoke or even have anyone impressive on the ropes. Killing the same kinds of women the WW1 Germans did isn't impressive.

Dormammu solos the entire dceu. The Thor trilogy itself defeats the entire dceu in a battle. The dceu consists of bricks and what's pretty much it. Marvel has them beaten on every single level.



Hulk seems to do more damage than Steppenwolf. Steppenwolf is strong enough to hurt the Cyborg not Superman or even WW. Thor never bested the Hulk and he used his hammer and lightning to amp his attacks. That hasn't bested the Hulk yet.

He hasn't used his reach advantage to best even Aquaman who is weaker and less durable than the Hulk. Hulk will beat the shit out of him as soon as he closes the distance especially when sconsidering how quickly he moves and jumps should be no time at all.

You said cut his head or make him bleed out. We see Fenris pierce but how much did it weaken the Hulk. He is fine and beats Fenris in the water no less.

False, Steppenwolf isn't fighting weak Amazonians he'd get annihilated by Hulk or Thor.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
I said hundred if not thousands, not hundreds of thousands. Important difference. When Ares killed the Greek pantheon and Zeus died it was in ancient times. Obviously Diana was concieved before Zeus died so she is at least 2000 years old. We can see that she was being trained since she was a small child so she has hundreds if not thousands of years of training.

Yes, but battles against who? The mooks of the nine realms? Quan implied that Thor was fighting opponents better than the Amazons during his adventures. What we have seen of the 9 realms makes me call that into question.

Training is not the same as battle. The Amazons are human. Very skilled but human nonetheless. WW would have been training with people far weaker and slower than her. Whereas Thor grew up among Asgardians who are all superhuman, and fought beings in the 9 realms who were mostly superhuman. Let's take stock of what we've seen in the films:

So far the opponents WW have fought were:
German Soldiers
Ares
Doomsday (assisted in a 3v1 fight)
Bank robbers
Parademons
Steppenwolf (assisted in a 6v1 fight)

So she's really only dedeated fodder: mostly humans and a few parademons. Her only win against a noteworthy opponent was Ares whom she only defeated via plot armor which is that she was specifically made to kill him.

In the other corner let's look at the opponents Thor have fought:

Frost Giants
SHIELD agents (while human)
Destroyer
Loki
Dark elves
Kurse (2v1)
Malekith
Malekith w/ aether (had some assistance)
Hydra agents
Ultronbots
Ultron (7v1?)
Hulk
Ironman
Undead Asgardians
Hela
Sakaarians
Surtur
Surtur's minions

So you see, Thor has a way more impressive resume, fighting fodder way more impressive than WW's fodder and fighting solo against more 'boss' opponents than WW ever had. Even if we took their training into account, Diana trained with Amazons whereas Thor trained with Agardians. No comparison there.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The Amazons are human. Very skilled but human nonetheless.

Not sure I totally agree with this one after Justice League. They seemed to be low level superhuman in that film. For example, a pair of Amazons were strong enough to catch and hold the one huge stone door leading into the temple where the motherbox was kept. Yes, they were struggling, and slowly letting it drop. But a stone door of that size would easily weigh a good couple of tons, so two of them being able to support it for even a couple of seconds (long enough to get the motherbox out) shows some serious strength. And at one point, one of the Amazons (Hippolyta, I think) leaps probably about 15+ feet far and high enough to land on Steppenwolf's shoulders. But yeah, the point about them being well below Diana still stands regardless.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Training is not the same as battle. The Amazons are human. Very skilled but human nonetheless. WW would have been training with people far weaker and slower than her. Whereas Thor grew up among Asgardians who are all superhuman, and fought beings in the 9 realms who were mostly superhuman. Let's take stock of what we've seen in the films:

So far the opponents WW have fought were:
German Soldiers
Ares
Doomsday (assisted in a 3v1 fight)
Bank robbers
Parademons
Steppenwolf (assisted in a 6v1 fight)

So she's really only dedeated fodder: mostly humans and a few parademons. Her only win against a noteworthy opponent was Ares whom she only defeated via plot armor which is that she was specifically made to kill him.

In the other corner let's look at the opponents Thor have fought:

Frost Giants
SHIELD agents (while human)
Destroyer
Loki
Dark elves
Kurse (2v1)
Malekith
Malekith w/ aether (had some assistance)
Hydra agents
Ultronbots
Ultron (7v1?)
Hulk
Ironman
Undead Asgardians
Hela
Sakaarians
Surtur
Surtur's minions

So you see, Thor has a way more impressive resume, fighting fodder way more impressive than WW's fodder and fighting solo against more 'boss' opponents than WW ever had. Even if we took their training into account, Diana trained with Amazons whereas Thor trained with Agardians. No comparison there.

The amazons are superhuman. They have superstrength feats as well as being immortal. Did you even see Justice League?

H1 you've debated characters in arcs you have admitted to not read. You're a worthless hypocrite who couldn't think to save his life.

Team 1 wins but not easily. Hulk is the weak link here. He's the slowest and least skilled.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not sure I totally agree with this one after Justice League. They seemed to be low level superhuman in that film. For example, a pair of Amazons were strong enough to catch and hold the one huge stone door leading into the temple where the motherbox was kept. Yes, they were struggling, and slowly letting it drop. But a stone door of that size would easily weigh a good couple of tons, so two of them being able to support it for even a couple of seconds (long enough to get the motherbox out) shows some serious strength. And at one point, one of the Amazons (Hippolyta, I think) leaps probably about 15+ feet far and high enough to land on Steppenwolf's shoulders. But yeah, the point about them being well below Diana still stands regardless.

Would you then say that a high-end Amazon could beat Batfleck in h2h?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Would you then say that a high-end Amazon could beat Batfleck in h2h?

If we're talking completely without gear, based on current available feats, I would be inclined to potentially give characters like Hippolyta and Antiope a win over him. I could see him defeating fodder Amazons though.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Thor has fought Loki, Ultron, Vision, Hulk, Kurse, Malekith amped infinitely stone, frost Giants, Hela, Surtur, etc.

All I see is a list of people Wonder Woman can solo with moderate effort at best. Whereas 3 of those people have beaten Thor up and 4 of them have made Thor bleed.

Originally posted by quanchi112

The Thor trilogy itself defeats the entire dceu in a battle.

Lol. I remember the thread you started on it. I have the last response, why don't you go respond to it?

Originally posted by quanchi112

He hasn't used his reach advantage to best even Aquaman who is weaker and less durable than the Hulk. Hulk will beat the shit out of him as soon as he closes the distance especially when sconsidering how quickly he moves and jumps should be no time at all.

Aquaman and Wonder Woman have gear capable of blocking and deflecting Steppenwolf's axe. Hulk does not. Even then Stepp was smacking them around.

You think Hulk can close the distance faster than a hellfire missle? He can not even catch Blonsky on foot!

Originally posted by quanchi112

You said cut his head or make him bleed out. We see Fenris pierce but how much did it weaken the Hulk. He is fine and beats Fenris in the water no less.

False, Steppenwolf isn't fighting weak Amazonians he'd get annihilated by Hulk or Thor.

Fenris fell over the side of Asgard like a dumbass and Hulk cried out in pain when he was bitten. Getting ragdolled in all of 4 feet of water.


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Amazons are multi-tonners and Steppenwolf literally walked through a half dozen of them.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
All I see is a list of people Wonder Woman can solo with moderate effort at best. Whereas 3 of those people have beaten Thor up and 4 of them have made Thor bleed.

You are free to speculate but we see WW clearly struggle with General Ludendorff who possessed weaker strength, durability and inferior skill. The guy was a walking joke of a semi villain. Even Ares was lackluster and he ended their pitiful gods yet quivered on the sidelines unable to take humanity out head on.

Bump the thread.

Hulk can withstand the axe. He also is capable of greater strength and power than the parademons who also lacked the reach advantage, sport.
Blonksy has skill on his side but he was unable to do anything significant in terms of damage to the Hulk prior to his transformation.


Hulk felt pain. Superman screamed out in pain holding up a tower and passing out. Anything you can do I can do better.

Asgardians are also superhuman yet Thir can wreck then as well. WW1 Germans were killing them. They aren't bulletproof. They are fodder so Steppenwolf'c claim to fame isn't impressive and he also had parademons aid. He wasn't Hela.

Wait, Amazonian's are superhuman? They MIGHT be enhanced human I guess? But superhuman? Captain America would've stopped that block of stone and not been crushed to death after 2.5 seconds, he's legit superhuman but on the lower end of the scale. Amazon's are enhanced the same way the Spartan's from 300 are enhanced. Very stylized fighting. We saw them in combat against WW1 soldiers. VERY human.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIfPq3biW_o

One of the defining points of their origin is that early man enslaved them which is why Zeus gave them Paradise Island or whatever. Again, regular men with sticks and stones put them in chains and kept them as personal slaves under Hippolyta led the uprising. Trying to label them as superhuman in the face of everything we know based on one scene is just dumb.

Amazon's are Olympic level athletes that have dedicated their life to combat.

Also, Wonder Woman was a really good movie until the last act. Almost on par with Captain America's origin story. I'm sad they went all stupid CGI on us but whatever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait, Amazonian's are superhuman? They MIGHT be enhanced human I guess? But superhuman? Captain America would've stopped that block of stone and not been crushed to death after 2.5 seconds, he's legit superhuman but on the lower end of the scale. Amazon's are enhanced the same way the Spartan's from 300 are enhanced. Very stylized fighting. We saw them in combat against WW1 soldiers. VERY human.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIfPq3biW_o

One of the defining points of their origin is that early man enslaved them which is why Zeus gave them Paradise Island or whatever. Again, regular men with sticks and stones put them in chains and kept them as personal slaves under Hippolyta led the uprising. Trying to label them as superhuman in the face of everything we know based on one scene is just dumb.

Amazon's are Olympic level athletes that have dedicated their life to combat.



^Ummm, what is Cap's best lifting feat?

Because taking a rough estimate of that slab's dimensions (1.5 feet by 9 feet by 10 feet (135 cubic feet)) and assuming it is a dense as medium density limestone it would weigh in at over 20,000 pounds.

Being enslaved by men means little. Think "A bug's life" in reverse. Amazons are the grasshoppers, men are the ants. Individually inferior but have strength in numbers. Amazons can still be killed by arrows and swords.

There is no way two Spartans would have caught that. There is no way Stepp would be slowed down by a group of normal women.

According to the director, Wonder Woman is around 800 years old in her movie and 900 by the modern DCEU.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
^Ummm, what is Cap's best lifting feat?

Because taking a rough estimate of that slab's dimensions (1.5 feet by 9 feet by 10 feet (135 cubic feet)) and assuming it is a dense as medium density limestone it would weigh in at over 20,000 pounds.

Being enslaved by men means little. Think "A bug's life" in reverse. Amazons are the grasshoppers, men are the ants. Individually inferior but have strength in numbers. Amazons can still be killed by arrows and swords.

There is no way two Spartans would have caught that. There is no way Stepp would be slowed down by a group of normal women.

I guess, lifting that motorcycle? He's still far stronger than what it would take to lift that stone slab. Far stronger. And if that slab fell on him? He'd be far from crushed.

What? They were kept in chains as slaves and had a massive revolt which inspired their tenant to leave man's world. How does that mean little? They aren't a dozen vs. a few hundred. They're hundreds of them and their army (As we've seen) in full force would've rivaled any rival province of Greece could've assembled at the time.

The Amazon are not normal women. I just said, they're Olympic level athletes. Superhuman though? That flies in the face of everything we know about them. We've seen even Hippolyta and her sister face off against regular men, and they're the elite.....

This doesn't even change anything in the thread. Steppenwolf running through Olympic level women or MAYBE slightly enhanced doesn't matter at the level we're playing at here. Parademons have pushed Steppenwolf back twice and they're just psychotic humans. He's weak sauce. It just irritates me that you guys throw out logic because you think that one scene retcons everything we know about Amazon's lol.

Poor dceu fans. They just can't seem to catch a break.

The amazons might seem superhuman compared to your normal human in the real world but they're really not that much superhuman when compared to the average action hero. Guys like Dominic Toretto, Frank Martin, Black Widow, Conan (or almost any Arnold character)... these characters all displayed some degree of superhuman feat at one point or another.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The amazons might seem superhuman compared to your normal human in the real world but they're really not that much superhuman when compared to the average action hero. Guys like Dominic Toretto, Frank Martin, Black Widow, Conan (or almost any Arnold character)... these characters all displayed some degree of superhuman feat at one point or another. You can put Cap in that category too. He's not much different compared to Arnold. Black Widow is not superhuman in any way in strength.

You are completely bias towards Marvel. You downplay DC feats and over exaggerate Marvel feats (sometimes to the point of complete falsity).

Originally posted by h1a8
You can put Cap in that category too. He's not much different compared to Arnold. Black Widow is not superhuman in any way in strength.

You are completely bias towards Marvel. You downplay DC feats and over exaggerate Marvel feats (sometimes to the point of complete falsity).

Says the guy that claimed a large boulder weighed around 5 tons.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
According to the director, Wonder Woman is around 800 years old in her movie and 900 by the modern DCEU.



I guess, lifting that motorcycle? He's still far stronger than what it would take to lift that stone slab. Far stronger. And if that slab fell on him? He'd be far from crushed.

What? They were kept in chains as slaves and had a massive revolt which inspired their tenant to leave man's world. How does that mean little? They aren't a dozen vs. a few hundred. They're hundreds of them and their army (As we've seen) in full force would've rivaled any rival province of Greece could've assembled at the time.

The Amazon are not normal women. I just said, they're Olympic level athletes. Superhuman though? That flies in the face of everything we know about them. We've seen even Hippolyta and her sister face off against regular men, and they're the elite.....

This doesn't even change anything in the thread. Steppenwolf running through Olympic level women or MAYBE slightly enhanced doesn't matter at the level we're playing at here. Parademons have pushed Steppenwolf back twice and they're just psychotic humans. He's weak sauce. It just irritates me that you guys throw out logic because you think that one scene retcons everything we know about Amazon's lol.

Women that can lift at least 5 tons you mean and jump over 20ft through the air. I guess that is Olympic level to you. Are are so extremely bias.

Originally posted by h1a8
Women that can lift at least 5 tons you mean and jump over 20ft through the air. I guess that is Olympic level to you. Are are so extremely bias.

Says the guy that tried to downplay Cap punching through the glass of a highly advanced sub by calling it a toy-sub.

Originally posted by h1a8
Women that can lift at least 5 tons you mean and jump over 20ft through the air. I guess that is Olympic level to you. Are are so extremely bias.

How am I biased? Whether they can lift 5 tons or 500 pounds changes nothing in this thread against characters like Thor/Hulk.

But I am logical and calling Amazons multitonners flys in the face of everything we know about them.

20 feet into the air? When? Diana's aunt needed a huge lift to get up to like maybe 10? Is that the scene?

Also lift at least 5 tons? WTF are you smoking. Average soldiers get pack up after being throat punched by them...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How am I biased? Whether they can lift 5 tons or 500 pounds changes nothing in this thread against characters like Thor/Hulk.

But I am logical and calling Amazons multitonners flys in the face of everything we know about them.

20 feet into the air? When? Diana's aunt needed a huge lift to get up to like maybe 10? Is that the scene?

Also lift at least 5 tons? WTF are you smoking. Average soldiers get pack up after being throat punched by them...

Comics and Fiction ALWAYS have contradictions in science. You act as this shit has happened in real life and that there are no contradictions.
Amazons were meant to be above human. Otherwise, they couldn't even be able to begin to brace that stone wall nor be immortal. Spider-Man of all characters can be hurt by almost anything that can hurt a comic human (bullets, knives, punches to the throat, etc).

You are extremely biased because you said that they were Olympic level. Instead of just arguing that their low superhuman strength is irrelevant anyway. That is phucking ridiculous.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Says the guy that tried to downplay Cap punching through the glass of a highly advanced sub by calling it a toy-sub.

It wasn't a real sized submarine. It was much smaller (hence toy like).

Originally posted by h1a8
It wasn't a real sized submarine. It was much smaller (hence toy like).

Per Howard Stark it was a highly advanced sub, you calling it a toy was just an obvious attempt to low-ball the feat. like you always do.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Per Howard Stark it was a highly advanced sub, you calling it a toy was just an obvious attempt to low-ball the feat. like you always do.

Advanced in what way? In durability? Or because they were able to create a sub that small in the 1940s? It certainly wouldn't be advanced now.

Originally posted by h1a8
Advanced in what way? In durability? Or because they were able to create a sub that small in the 1940s? It certainly wouldn't be advanced now.

Doesn't change the fact that you were calling it a toy in an attempt to low-ball the feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Advanced in what way? In durability? Or because they were able to create a sub that small in the 1940s? It certainly wouldn't be advanced now.

What do you think is the difference in durability from a 5 inch thick 20 square foot slab of steel and a 5 inch thick 10 sqaure foot slab of steel?

You think size would make one less durrable than the other?

Originally posted by h1a8
You can put Cap in that category too. He's not much different compared to Arnold. Black Widow is not superhuman in any way in strength.

You are completely bias towards Marvel. You downplay DC feats and over exaggerate Marvel feats (sometimes to the point of complete falsity).

Except Cap consistently operates at way higher levels than these other guys. How often do you see one of them hold a helicopter from lifting off or tear a log with their bare hands or punch a submarine window.

As for me being biased towards Marvel, guess you missed all those times I backed up a DC character over a Marvel one huh? Like Deathstroke over Cap, Superman over regular Thor, Steppenwolf over Hulk, etc.

But I guess since you're so heavily biased towards DC, you'd only notice me when I go up against DC.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except Cap consistently operates at way higher levels than these other guys. How often do you see one of them hold a helicopter from lifting off or tear a log with their bare hands or punch a submarine window.

As for me being biased towards Marvel, guess you missed all those times I backed up a DC character over a Marvel one huh? Like Deathstroke over Cap, Superman over regular Thor, Steppenwolf over Hulk, etc.

But I guess since you're so heavily biased towards DC, you'd only notice me when I go up against DC.

Cap has what 5 movies? And amazons, what 2? He's not consistently anything.

Holding a helicopter is less than 5 tons.
Ripping a log, again is less than 5 tons
Punching the submarine window is unquantifiable.

So even with those feats, Cap doesn't operate way higher.

I'm biased towards speed and skill. I will vote for any character, regardless of the company, if they have those in trumps. I always put Fox QS ahead of anyone (including all Flashes).

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap has what 5 movies? And amazons, what 2? He's not consistently anything.

Holding a helicopter is less than 5 tons.
Ripping a log, again is less than 5 tons
Punching the submarine window is unquantifiable.

So even with those feats, Cap doesn't operate way higher.

I'm biased towards speed and skill. I will vote for any character, regardless of the company, if they have those in trumps. I always put Fox QS ahead of anyone (including all Flashes).

I seriously hope you never get into a street fight. Because you'd then realize that speed and skill is not the only things that will factor in a fight.

As for claiming these feats are less than 5 tons... everybody here knows that you invent numbers and formulas at random. Nobody takes your numbers seriously. The amazons have no feats that consistently put them in Cap's league. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

Originally posted by Inhuman
What do you think is the difference in durability from a 5 inch thick 20 square foot slab of steel and a 5 inch thick 10 sqaure foot slab of steel?

You think size would make one less durrable than the other?
A portable vehicle could be made of lightweight materials.
Basically the feat is unquantifiable, unless you use Cap's upper end punching power in other feats to determine the durability of the glass.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm biased towards speed and skill. I will vote for any character, regardless of the company, if they have those in trumps.

You think a much faster more skilled feather weight boxer can win 10/10 vs. a much slower not as skilled heavy weight boxer?

Originally posted by Inhuman
You think a much faster more skilled feather weight boxer can win 10/10 vs. a much slower not as skilled heavy weight boxer?

No because the feather weight is not fast enough. For speed to be highly effective, one must be at least 3x faster.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Comics and Fiction ALWAYS have contradictions in science. You act as this shit has happened in real life and that there are no contradictions.
Amazons were meant to be above human. Otherwise, they couldn't even be able to begin to brace that stone wall nor be immortal. Spider-Man of all characters can be hurt by almost anything that can hurt a comic human (bullets, knives, punches to the throat, etc).

You are extremely biased because you said that they were Olympic level. Instead of just arguing that their low superhuman strength is irrelevant anyway. That is phucking ridiculous.

What does that have to do with anything?

Where? What about them screams that they were intended to be physically superior to man? They were superior in general because of their nobility and duty to the Gods but that's it. Again, their entire origin revolves about them being ENSLAVED in bronze age chains.

You keep harping on them failing to hold up a block of stone that was supported by two wooden beams for like 2.5 seconds and act like they're superhuman when 2 minutes later an Amazon was crushed to death and stuck from a knocked over horse....

I think them Olympic level is VERY fair. They were are incredibly acrobatic and stronger than the average woman. What about that is unfair or biased? If you put an Amazon against depowered Thor from the first movie, he'd beat the shit out of an Amazon and their would be no stat disadvantage. Based on that, I would not place them as flat out superhuman. Maybe enhanced. But only enhanced by real life standards, not comic book standards where Black Widow, a non-enhanced is ridiculous compared to real life standards.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does that have to do with anything?

Where? What about them screams that they were intended to be physically superior to man? They were superior in general because of their nobility and duty to the Gods but that's it. Again, their entire origin revolves about them being ENSLAVED in bronze age chains.

You keep harping on them failing to hold up a block of stone that was supported by two wooden beams for like 2.5 seconds and act like they're superhuman when 2 minutes later an Amazon was crushed to death and stuck from a knocked over horse....

I think them Olympic level is VERY fair. They were are incredibly acrobatic and stronger than the average woman. What about that is unfair or biased? If you put an Amazon against depowered Thor from the first movie, he'd beat the shit out of an Amazon and their would be no stat disadvantage. Based on that, I would not place them as flat out superhuman. Maybe enhanced. But only enhanced by real life standards, not comic book standards where Black Widow, a non-enhanced is ridiculous compared to real life standards.

How can a Olympic human hold something that's over 10 tons for a few seconds? A human couldn't even brace 2 tons, let alone a woman.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does that have to do with anything?

Where? What about them screams that they were intended to be physically superior to man? They were superior in general because of their nobility and duty to the Gods but that's it. Again, their entire origin revolves about them being ENSLAVED in bronze age chains.

You keep harping on them failing to hold up a block of stone that was supported by two wooden beams for like 2.5 seconds and act like they're superhuman when 2 minutes later an Amazon was crushed to death and stuck from a knocked over horse....

I think them Olympic level is VERY fair. They were are incredibly acrobatic and stronger than the average woman. What about that is unfair or biased? If you put an Amazon against depowered Thor from the first movie, he'd beat the shit out of an Amazon and their would be no stat disadvantage. Based on that, I would not place them as flat out superhuman. Maybe enhanced. But only enhanced by real life standards, not comic book standards where Black Widow, a non-enhanced is ridiculous compared to real life standards.

If you put two depowered Thors under that stone door they would be crushed flat with no resistance. That stone slab was the weight of an empty city bus. Olympic level my foot.

Antiope was one-shotting Deutchlanders with her strikes. Average women can not do that. 6 amazons were slowing Steppenwolf down. Do you honestly believe 6 shot-putters can slow down a guy that can casually perform a 2,640 foot broad jump? (I seriously want you to answer this)

Yeah, I'm sure Steppenwolf's attack that killed the horse (a 1 ton animal) and made it land on her had nothing to do with her not getting up.

Your headcanon and theories about their enslavement mean little in the face of on screen feats.

I do not think I am saying anything crazy here. The multi-ton range is, at least to me, more than 1 but less than 4. That is consistent with 2 amazons being able to momentarily support a 10.5 ton slab before giving out. Captain America is around a 5-6 tonner imo for comparison.

So if Amazons are capable of lifting 10 tons or so, how come they can't lift a horse off someone?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So if Amazons are capable of lifting 10 tons or so, how come they can't lift a horse off someone?

They're assuming the wall was solid.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So if Amazons are capable of lifting 10 tons or so, how come they can't lift a horse off someone?

Ohhh, i don't know. Maybe being close to death and having little leverage would have something to do with her not lifting it.


Nothing we have seen suggests they can lift 10 tons alone. 2 of them struggled to hold that much, let alone lift it.

Listening to you people a huge stone wall should weigh around 1000 pounds. Fortunately I believe in my own powers of observation.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Ohhh, i don't know. Maybe being close to death and having little leverage would have something to do with her not lifting it.


Nothing we have seen suggests they can lift 10 tons alone. 2 of them struggled to hold that much, let alone lift it.

Listening to you people a huge stone wall should weigh around 1000 pounds. Fortunately I believe in my own powers of observation.

Last time I checked, Hippolyta wasn't near death and had ample mobility to place herself in proper leverage. Yet she didn't lift and toss that horse off of her companion. Didn't even try to push it off.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/03/27/science/27dive-graphic/27dive-graphic-popup.jpg

Smaller submarines are not necessarily weaker. At all.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Of course he did not decapitate her. Wonder Woman is a millenia-old warrior with the skill, speed, and weaponry to compete with Stepp and his axe. Hulk has none of this. Stepp also has a hilarious reach advantage.

The only argument you have is that maybe he won"t be able to get through the bone. But Hulk will still get hacked up and succumb to blood loss.

Hulk is bigger than Steppenwolf....Hulk would have the reach advantage not Steppenwolf.

I doubt the Axe could do any serious Damage to the Hulk.

Hulk is stronger than steppenwolf too. So Steppenwolf's only weapon here would be the axe.

Once Hulk manages to get rid of that Axe Steppenwolf loses.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So if Amazons are capable of lifting 10 tons or so, how come they can't lift a horse off someone?

Fiction inconsistency. Superman once moved a moon and in another scene struggled to move a 50 ton boulder.
Superman girl lifted the key yet struggled with shit under 50 tons.
Superman survived a nuke yet got koed by a gas station.

Originally posted by h1a8
Fiction inconsistency. Superman once moved a moon and in another scene struggled to move a 50 ton boulder.
Superman girl lifted the key yet struggled with shit under 50 tons.
Superman survived a nuke yet got koed by a gas station.

So you're ok with using this one strength feat to determine their strength level?

Last I checked, picking out low showings to combat high ones is called low balling.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're ok with using this one strength feat to determine their strength level?

They don't have any other strength feats, besides hitting Diana away. They don't have the screen time as other characters.

Originally posted by h1a8
They don't have any other strength feats, besides hitting Diana away. They don't have the screen time as other characters.

I'll try again. So you're ok with using this one strength feat to determine their strength level?

Originally posted by h1a8
Last I checked, picking out low showings to combat high ones is called low balling.

Last time I checked, we don't know how heavy that door was. You don't get to create numbers that clearly contradict everything we've seen the amazons do so far.

Poor h1.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hulk is bigger than Steppenwolf....Hulk would have the reach advantage not Steppenwolf.

I doubt the Axe could do any serious Damage to the Hulk.

Hulk is stronger than steppenwolf too. So Steppenwolf's only weapon here would be the axe.

Once Hulk manages to get rid of that Axe Steppenwolf loses.

MCU Hulk is 8'6. Steppenwolf was easily 12 feet tall. He was twice the size of a hellfire missle and they are 6 feet long. Stepp's axe is also at least 8 feet long. I put it closer to 9.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Last time I checked, Hippolyta wasn't near death and had ample mobility to place herself in proper leverage. Yet she didn't lift and toss that horse off of her companion. Didn't even try to push it off.

Hippolyta was trying to kil Steppenwolf. The amazon under the horse died 10 seconds after Stepp left, why bother pulling a horse off of someone about to die when you can strike a blow at the enemy that killed her?

How much do you think that door weighed?

Originally posted by TheGrat1
MCU Hulk is 8'6. Steppenwolf was easily 12 feet tall. He was twice the size of a hellfire missle and they are 6 feet long. Stepp's axe is also at least 8 feet long. I put it closer to 9.

Steppenwolf isn't 12 feet tall!!! No where near it!

Gal Gadot who is the actress which interprets WW is 5 8". Even if Steppenwolf is twice WW's height he won't reach 12!

Steppenwolf is 3-4 feet taller than WW.

A more accurate estimation of SW's height would be arround 8-9 feet tall!

Now, Thor's height is 6'3 (Chris Hemsworth height)

The Hulk in several Thor Ragnarok scenes was depicted doubling Thor's height!

Assuming that the Hulk ain't 2x taller than Thor then his height would be arround 9' to 10' high!

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Hippolyta was trying to kil Steppenwolf. The amazon under the horse died 10 seconds after Stepp left, why bother pulling a horse off of someone about to die when you can strike a blow at the enemy that killed her?

How much do you think that door weighed?

Still I don't see how SW's Axe would be a problem for the Hulk!

Hulk is still stronger and more ferocious!

He would likely just juggernaut Steppenwolf.

So why are you?

So you're admitting to only accepting this feat because it would hurt rage's argument. you realize that you just admitted to trolling, right?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're admitting to only accepting this feat because it would hurt rage's argument. you realize that you just admitted to trolling, right? What feat did I accept?