Frost vs. Buuhan

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StiltmanFTW
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cdtm
Stomp for Buuhan.

The "based absorbed god" thing was never mentioned in Super, so Vegeta beat down Frost with straight SSJ power.

Which also gives Piccolo's performance a lot more credibility, as it makes more sense to compete with a SSJ/SSJ2 then a SSJ God.

SSJGGogeta
It depends on which Frost you're using- either ToP, or Pre-lim's.

Either way, I see Buuhan coming out solidly on top.

SSJ3 Gotenks = 8X SSJ3 Buu saga Goku

Buutenks = 2X SSJ3 Gotenks, 16X SSJ3 Goku

Mystic Gohan = 1.5X Super Buu, 12X SSJ3 Goku

Buuhan = 1.6X Super Buu + Gohan, ~ 3X Super Buu, 24X SSJ3 Goku

Now SSJ3 is a 400X Boost to base Goku. Keep that in mind. Essentially, this makes Buuhan a whopping 9,600 times stronger than base Goku, during the Buu saga.

Vegeta during the prelims hadn't gotten much stronger than he was during the Buu saga, bearing his new form. Even if he had gotten to the point where his base form was stronger than Final Form Frieza, which is possible, that would only make his base form 50X stronger than Goku's, which means that Buuhan would still be 192 times stronger than his base form, which would conversely mean that Buuhan would still be almost 4 times stronger than even SSJ1 Vegeta.

Therefore, since Frost got oneshot by SSJ1 Vegeta, even assuming Vegeta had made his base form more powerful than Namek saga Final Form Frieza, Buuhan would still be far above even SSJ2 Vegeta, let alone SSJ1, let ALONE Frost.

ToP Frost was a bit more impressive, but we can't gauge his power as accurately. I'm willing to bet he was still inferior to Vegeta, probably even base Vegeta by that point. He hadn't really gotten much stronger, if at all, since the prelims.

In short, Buuhan rofl-stomps.

Galan007
Originally posted by cdtm
The "based absorbed god" thing was never mentioned in Super, so Vegeta beat down Frost with straight SSJ power. Base Goku in DBS was still equal to RoF-era 4th form Freeza... So God-power or not, the base Saiyans are still ridiculously powerful now. /shrug

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by Galan007
Base Goku in DBS was still equal to RoF-era 4th form Freeza... So God-power or not, the base Saiyans are still ridiculously powerful now. /shrug

Ooh, shit. Good point, I didn't even think about that.

Who would you give this to? I personally still don't think that would make up for the difference between a SSJ Vegeta who's Frieza level in base form, and Buuhan. Buuhan was stupid powerful, and I personally don't think anyone reached that level in Super, until they went SSJB. Early on, of course. Base Goku now makes the Androids look like feebs, and can stand in a black hole unharmed, while laughing. That's ridiculous.

Also, I don't think Frost could kill Buuhan even IF we assume he was more powerful. Buu's regeneration could literally make it simple form him to regenerate from smoke. I don't think Frost could be stronger than him in general, let alone enough stronger than him to vaporize him and his molecules entirely.

Galan007
The Z Fighters certainly acted like RoF Freeza possessed the most powerful ki they had EVER felt up to that point. So Goku/Vegeta being able to stalemate him at base speaks volumes concerning their power(s). And that's important, because Goku/Vegeta only seemed to truly gain the advantage over final form Frost when they went SSJ(ie. 50x base.)

Long story short: I do think Frost is more powerful than Boohan overall, because I think Freeza was. However, I never saw any attacks/blasts from Frost that made me think he'd be able to put Boo down for any substantial length of time(let alone kill him)... And if this turns into a battle of attrition, Boo wins every single time(infinite regen+stamina, ftw!!)


...And if Boo gets into a real pinch, he should still be able to absorb, and/or candy-beam Frost's ass. /shrug

Damborgson
I feel like that's true, but put Boohan in DBS and he'd straight maul Frost. Just thanks to the random unexplainable power ups DBS hands out. See humans.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
FF Frieza from RoF would vaporize Buuhan, imho. I definitely don't think Frost is at that level, though.

Damborgson
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
FF Frieza from RoF would vaporize Buuhan, imho. I definitely don't think Frost is at that level, though.

Why not? Base Goku was having about the same trouble with 3rd form Frost than he was having with FF Frieza.

NewGuy01
Goku kinda implied Frost was closer to Namek Frieza than current Frieza, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Base Goku in DBS was still equal to RoF-era 4th form Freeza... So God-power or not, the base Saiyans are still ridiculously powerful now. /shrug

But the manga gets an out because it off-screen'd that inconsistent garbage. Happy Dance

Buuhan stomps with contemptuous ease.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Damborgson
Why not? Base Goku was having about the same trouble with 3rd form Frost than he was having with FF Frieza.

It's a long story.

Essentially, I think there's a bifurcation between the BoG/RoF arcs and the later arcs in Super in terms of the power of Goku's base form.

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